Guild Wars 2

Doggie.3184:

Rynn.1324:

Is it so much to ask to get a legendary that actually looks like something an Asura would use? The rifle was the perfect opportunity for this, but no, we get stuck with more Charr-themed nonsense (just like the engineer turrets).

I wish the Quip was a high tech looking Asuran style laser pistol/blaster. Instead it’s the only Legendary I simply hate. :/

Protoavis.9107:

Personally I think it looks ridiculous/cheesy now and sold the precursor as a result. I would have been so annoyed had I gotten the legendary and had them changed it after all the time spent to get it…seriously uncool changing things people have worked at getting.

Many of the Legendarys were incompleted. This patch simply finished them.

unfinished means a change in projectile colour despite the projectile colour already being vastly different from the default? Don’t believe everything you read…

Personally I think it looks ridiculous/cheesy now and sold the precursor as a result. I would have been so annoyed had I gotten the legendary and had them changed it after all the time spent to get it…seriously uncool changing things people have worked at getting.

Valento.9852:

killcannon.2576:

Sad that no one checked the maths of the original post. Without even digging deep into the post the money spent vs the return is not reported. 662 gold spent on buying rares from the TP, and op stated he then sold all exotics back to tp. A conservative (very conservative) estimate on sales of the exotics would be about 450 gold (with a very low average of 6 gold per exotic or so, if it were a named exotic, could be upwards of 100) That would put money spent at around 200 gold, not the 552 stated. Also not taking into account any rares that may have also been returned on any combines, saving them from being bought. If just two of the exotics were named, or if a few were of above average quality, this would in turn have netted a net gain instead of loss. All besides of which doesn’t take into account the making your own rares instead of buying them.

And this is just casually looking at the OP.

And yet, NO precursor for 552g. Cheers for the Blessed Mystic Toilet.

@Edit
No seriously, I hope they bring a DECENT challenge to this 1/4 of the legendary with the elusive Scavenger Hunt, it is their chance to show some respect to their playerbase; if something is very difficult to attain, it must be difficult not grindy, something grindy ISN’T difficult… omg it’s just grindy, they are not SYNONYMS.
And please, don’t even start it if it’s going to be buggy or squishy (like Simin in Arah p4).

Point is it isn’t for 552g, the OP lost a lot less and the thread title is clearly alarmist.
Secondly using rares SINCE THEY FIXED THAT EXPLOIT is beyond stupid since rares have the lowest chances to result in a precursor. Less than 100 of his forges resulted in an exotic…should every 100 forges that result in an exotic be a precursor? No.

In the last month and a bit I’ve made 8 precursors at a significant profit (ie I started with 130ish gold and now have over 2k gold) there are ways to make precursors and the method in this post isn’t it at all.

Drunken Mad King.8193:

Sunreva.8714:

It is normal. It’s worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.

There IS a ceiling that these precursors will eventually reach, because there is a threshold where you’d be better off MF gambling for a fraction of the sell price and will eventually get the item.

While gambling 100 gold might not get you the item, gambling 250 or 500 GREATLY puts the odds in your favor, and eventually your number will come up. No doubt if you’ve gambled 750g (the sell price of that Dusk) and you still haven’t gotten it (or Dawn) yet, then you’re either doing something wrong (gambling with level 50 blues) or are lying about it.

You really have no understanding of what random means….. no clue at all. It makes you seem very foolish. Look at this post.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Science-552g-worth-of-GSwords-into-M-Forge/first#post1340082

1: using rares is such a low chance (there are lvl 76 EXOTIC weapons people that you can generally sell the resultant 80 back from the sum cost of the 4 lvl 76 weapons you threw in….be smart), first you need to upgrade to an exotic AND from that pool getting the INCREDIBLY TINY chance of the precursor, compared with just using exo’s and only having to factor in the small chance at a precursor.

2. of his 440 combines, only around 80 of them were relevant (ie the ones resulting in an exotic, this 80 being the equivalent of around 48g with lvl 76 exo’s…see a discrepancy?) given that the chance to me seems to be about 0.5% to 1% with exotics it’s perfectly reasonable that one didn’t pop out.

3. he doesn’t mention what the value of the exotics he got in return were, just that he used them to buy more rares. So he says he spent worth 552g, but realistically he was recovering costs and wasn’t really losing that much at all.

I’ve felt that way with some odd items I flip as well , the "over"cutting it just way too aggressive and always a 10 item order that it looks suspicious and seem like it’s 1 person (since the previous 10 order disappears), unless someone is there 24/7 checking their items and instantly upping them (which honestly seems unlikely) then something is going on that should be looked into.

It was the bot ban, the price of them has risen to the REAL market value rather than the bot produced value because bots farm a ridiculous amount of them and flood the market. So instead of being irrational and making wild accusations you might want to actually be informed before making nonsense posts.

Zumy.6318:

I personally know a guy who already spent over 1k gold gambling for the legend.
And at this point it became everything his game experience is about…

I guess I should tell him using 20k greens wont work…

Seriously Sunreava, your post should be overthought and you really should visit mathschool for some statistic lessons.

I’ve made 8 precursors so far with the mystic forge and all of them have turned a profit of atleast 200 g profit from from the exotics I bought to forge, honestly if aslong as you’re willing to dump around 200g on exotics to stick in the forge you’re VERY (and in my case so far every time) likely to get a precursor back.

Predator has been ruined….thanks for that

Sunreva.8714:

If you buy an item for 250+, you can’t relist it for 2 weeks.

That would be the biggest manipulation yet, that would only make the prices go higher due to the very significant decrease in available supply.

TsukasaHiiragi.9730:

ATTHWSM.7840:

TsukasaHiiragi.9730:

Legendaries hurt the game way to much, so many mistakes made with them. Allowing hackers to get them easily, giving out pre-cursors during lost shores and the icing is allowing them to be tradable on the TP and in all honestly, one of the very major errors anet made with GW2.

Each time I see a player with any legendary, I always think ‘hacker or legit’ and honestly, you can’t tell ~ you can’t prove it, and they can’t prove it. How I wish this game had some serious anti-hacker protection…heck, some protection would be better than none…lol

You care as if the legendary actually improves there ability to clear content… so sad

They will when they are bumped to Ascended status

That’s an assumption that ascended weapons will be (more of) a grind (granted a likely one) more than exotics are for the average player.

cargan.5689:

entitled whining

oh good phrase im unhappy its not the companies fault its my fault for being a spoiled brat.

Now, for the reality, WHAT are you unhappy about? a cosmetic item that was intended to be rare from the get go actually being rare. Can you not see how that is irrational from the outside?

I’m bored of twilight and the other one because I see those everywhere. I hardly ever see anyone with The Predator though

Mystic.5934:

As I see it:
-using mf makes you ~66% as effective as non-mf
-using non-exotic items makes you 60-90% as effective as exotic
-being a poor player makes you 20-50% as effective as professional
-combining a few: being a mediocre player and using masterwork items is 40% as effective as exotic pro
I get the impression everyone that is anti-mf assigns all of these handicaps to mf builds.

The first one is true on paper but kitten pugging dungeons or low level fractals (no point going full MF in a higher fractal) and what’s true on paper generally doesn’t hold up in reality. A lot of people can’t play for peanuts and can’t listen either (ie don’t hold the hammer past 30 ticks -downed-, watch out for wind -falls of 9 times-, constantly move -stands still catches on fire, dead-)

Was more attempting to point out that the designers attempted to recreate the wheel so to speak with a lot of armors based on sex rather than attempting to remain consistent within sets.

This is true for most of the light armor, it’s not just that they are slightly different based on sex it’s that the majority of them are thematically completely different despite being the same set.

You say you don’t care if you’re ‘one sole demented voice" and then expect a multi million dollar company to make decisions based on that….that’s terrible business advice. Adding to that, the complaint really boils down to “I can’t get a COSMETIC item”, not having the item RIGHT NOW isn’t hindering players in any shape or form it’s just entitled whining.

cargan.5689:

Protoavis.9107:

There’s a difference between an issue for you and and an issue, you not liking the current system isn’t a real issue.

Actually yes it is.

The system works you dont like it tough, forgets which side the power is in the customer equation.

Its like making 3inch bright pink TV set and saying they work you dont like them thats your problem, well actually seeing you have a product your trying to sell that the customer doesnt like…

Its your problem

That assumes a majority, do we have the opinion of the 2mil players available anywhere? No. Given that not even an eighth of players post in the forum you can’t rationally make a conclusion. The only thing that can be deduced is that like in everything else the most vocal voice is going to be an unhappy one (because human nature is to only act when displeased) this doesn’t indicate a majority, just means some people are vocal. If people were leaving in droves and no one was buying the game anymore you might be on to something but that isn’t the case. Anet clearly aren’t being hurt up by lack of sales or cash flow due to the low number of precursors so either the issue isn’t that big or the majority don’t care despite what the vocal opinion is.

the cheapest would be using the mystic toilet, masterwork lvl 65 (20% to upgrade) at 2s (or even less than)

plasmacutter.2709:

Syeria.4812:

plasmacutter.2709:

To John Smith, if you are still reading, and anyone else on this thread claiming people who can do math and want to be able to advance are after “easy-mode”

In my personal normal play, I have received 2 corrupted lodestones and one charged, and an equally small handful of cores. If I am to advance through my own drops, that would mean, at an average of 0.5 lodestones per month, it will take me 16 years to craft any recipe which requires just 100 of these.

That, in terms of MMO expected lifetimes, is what we term ‘unobtainable’.

You want to get rich in the game and flaunt it it’s fine with me, but the in-game rewards for showing it should not be the only in-game rewards worth having. I guarantee nobody would care how rich someone got in-game if it was not at the expense of the majority’s progression (just as most small-town americans don’t care if your postage-stamp sized SF condo is worth a cool 10 million). This is as much a fault of the game’s designers as it is with the people who cynically manipulate the market to make others poorer.

Then you’re “doing it wrong.” Without any deliberate farming, just absolute normal play, I have received (counting promotion of core drops) 2 Charged Lodestones, 5 Destroyer Lodestones, 7 Molten Lodestones, 2 Corrupted Lodestones, 4 Onyx Lodestones, and a ridiculous number of Crystal and Glacial Lodestones in the month of January alone. At those rates, it would take me between 1 and 4 years to accidentally accumulate the lodestones for one of those recipes.

That is to say, without actually attempting to get these items, and without purchasing anything from the trading post, I would be able to attain any of those items within a reasonable amount of time considering the scope of the game. Again, EVEN WITHOUT PUTTING IN EFFORT, I would be able to have those items. What you’re describing is either a demand for “easy mode” or simply a personal problem.

Congratulations on not being a victim of the “permanent dr bug”.

The rest of us deal with my drop rates, poll your guildies after doing a DE as a group, the difference will be stark.

If the issue is a BUG shouldn’t the focus be on that BUG (should be exists rather than be something people collectively made up to explain their bad luck/rare drop rates of rare items…dun da dun dun dun)

Ampris.5321:

there are, however, exceptions. charged lodestones and precursors are the most obvious examples of this atm. i believe they need to be addressed.

Personally I disagree, the rate of conversion in the MF is fairly decent given the current pricing, every few days I’ll use the silly amount of mats I’ve bought off the TP, craft a whole lot of X lvl 80 exo and forge them all. I’ve yet to make less than 100g profit on this as I only spend around 200G on mats per precursor made. Granted it would probably seem like a gamble and you need to willing spend a huge amount of G which is likely the real reason few people are willing.

Question: Why do you need world completion? The only thing it gives you is an item required to craft legendaries…which require you to wvw to get badges of honor, so either way you’d have to wvw. Other than that world completion offers you nothing.

You do realise like with real life, the people most willing to talk on a topic are those unhappy with the topic and those that are happy or indifferent are actually out doing something else because they aren’t unhappy and so don’t feel the need to go on about it. Just because an opinion is vocal doesn’t in any way make it a majority, for every person you’re seen complain there’s likely been 10 that haven’t said anything. Commonly heard isn’t the same as a majority and shouldn’t be confused.

It’s pretty obvious that with the bot ban about a month ago that precursors and legendaries would increase in cost because the mats used to craft rares/exotics to throw in the mystic forge to get precurors have decreased significantly in supply (bots produce so many crafting materials and flood it into the market) just an example smooth scale, with bots around gets down to 20c without it’s around 1s20c. The prices of exotics has also increased slighty as a result.

No market makes perfect sense, but when it randomly goes crazy it’s generally the result of bots or bot bans.

There’s a difference between an issue for you and and an issue, you not liking the current system isn’t a real issue.

If it’s such an issue for you make your own precursor or farm for it, they are coming from somewhere you don’t have to use the trading post…

The Blue Ace.2850:

John Smith.4610:

GW2’s TP is by a wide margin less effectively manipulated than the other games mentioned in this thread.

Like I’m gonna believe that till you fix the lodestone imbalance!

You have to look at the supply on the TP, it’s declined, that isn’t to say the supply in game has declined it just high lights that people have been buying them from the TP and this has reduced the amount of the TP which means their price goes up….it’s not rocket science, you can put away your tin foil hat.

or people could just start making more of them by mystic forging lvl 80 exotics. In the past 6 days I’ve made 4 and turned a significant profit

you just stick on the map til it’s done. It’s a bit tedious when you’re at max level and having to do lower level zones that you may have done 100 times during beta’s/alts but it doesn’t take long when you’re just running from one poi to the next heart or vista

Honestly don’t care for either (house/guild hall) never bother using these places in other games, rather be with other people than in small area’s that only select people can enter.

Zyk.3597:

Protoavis.9107:

Zyk.3597:

No, I think there’s some evidence that precursors have a hand-tuned probability of being forged that is less than expected. It’s also something you can figure out just using common sense:
http://www.gw2spidy.com/type/18/6?rarity_filter=5&min_level=80&max_level=

Not even close to 100 exotic GS, and I’m not entirely sure that crafted exotics are in the MF table (never done L80 exotic combines). Normally, each item has an equal probability within its tier, but this is clearly not the case with precursors – we’d see WAY more being produced and price manip would be extremely difficult as a result. I was curious if anyone had rough data that might point at the hand-tuned probability.

They are (the lvl 80 crafted exo’s in the MF table that is).

I’m either being consistently lucky and always turning a profit on investment to getting a precursor or they aren’t that difficult to get out with the 4 lvl 80 exotic approach, you just may need a couple hundred gold (ie what I think is holding back most from trying it out, the fear of losing that gold and not getting a precusor)

Ah, thanks for letting me know. I’d hazard a guess that the forge-crafted stuff isn’t in the table, though – Volcanus and such.

Hmm, precursors possibly just aren’t as rare from the MF as suspected if you’re consistently turning a profit. You could be really lucky, I suppose. It’s pretty streaky, I imagine – most combines would represent a massive loss, although some non-precursors ones give a decent profit.

Haven’t seen a volcanus yet so that would be likely, although I don’t do greatswords too much just because it feels riskier because they cost more (unlike a lot of other types that you can get for less than 1g50s where you can generally flip the result and roughly not be loosing too much because you might be loosing a gold or two per MF but you’ll get something that sells for 10g+ fairly often to balance that a bit and then BOOM precursor). Do get a lot of the etched shaman stuff which depending on weapon sells for a fair bit, as does anything starting with berserker

if you’re helping a “noob” and you’re getting kicked for it there is a thing called a whisper.

Nike.2631:

There’s no reason to take finished legendaries out of the Trading Posts when crafting them is almost entirely based on stuff you can buy.

They failed to make Legendary weapons a task-based accomplisment at almost every step. At this point if Legendary purple-name gear is ever going to be a prestige item, it’ll be when they introduce Legendary armor and the process isn’t 90% “how much gold do you have to throw at them?”

There’s too much potential there that the Crystin Cox wouldn’t allow that to go through, you want every component to be super expensive on the TP so people are more incline to just buy gems to exchange for gold.

It’s one of the things (like most of the things) from the manifesto video that were greatly exaggerated (just like “if you save a village they residents will remember”…no, they don’t). So it’s likely implemented and in the way they intended it just doesn’t reflect how they were promoting it and comes off as fairly hollow when actually playing it.

Zyk.3597:

No, I think there’s some evidence that precursors have a hand-tuned probability of being forged that is less than expected. It’s also something you can figure out just using common sense:
http://www.gw2spidy.com/type/18/6?rarity_filter=5&min_level=80&max_level=

Not even close to 100 exotic GS, and I’m not entirely sure that crafted exotics are in the MF table (never done L80 exotic combines). Normally, each item has an equal probability within its tier, but this is clearly not the case with precursors – we’d see WAY more being produced and price manip would be extremely difficult as a result. I was curious if anyone had rough data that might point at the hand-tuned probability.

They are (the lvl 80 crafted exo’s in the MF table that is).

I’m either being consistently lucky and always turning a profit on investment to getting a precursor or they aren’t that difficult to get out with the 4 lvl 80 exotic approach, you just may need a couple hundred gold (ie what I think is holding back most from trying it out, the fear of losing that gold and not getting a precusor)

xWESTsidex.4980:

Zyk.3597:

Hmm. Anyone know the odds of getting a precursor from the MF? Anyone recorded a bunch of trials? The L80 exotic market could technically limit the maximum price for a precursor if people were willing to play the averages. However, gambles are sketchy and most people don’t like it, and most L80 rare or exotic combines are quite unprofitable without hitting a precursor jackpot.

Kinda like how pebbles->silver doubloons limited price manipulation on that market.

(Personally, I don’t mess around with going for precursors, since I’m happy to wait at least 6 more months before really going for a legendary. Long-term goal etc.)

I’m not sure the actual % chance at the forge but it is extremely low. The chances of acquiring a precursor via the forge is highest when you use lvl 80 exotics of that same weapon type (ex: 5 exotic shortbows to get The Lover.) It takes some people a few tries and it takes some many tries It’s really all about luck. I got lucky and it took me 4 tries and maybe 30g but for others it might take a lot more than that.

I’ve been doing this for the last month or so. The most I’ve spent so far in trying to get a specific precursor has been just over 400g, on average I’m spending around that 150g mark before getting what I’m after and I’ve turned out 11 precursors so far, it seems reasonably safe.

Astraea.6075:

Svarty.8019:

Astraea.6075:

Svarty.8019:

I disagree with this opinion. I think you should buy karma gear and stuff the market. As the real stocks markets are, it’s full of manipulators and speculators.

It could also be filled with people attempting to make profits from their crafting skills…

It could be, but it isn’t.

It’s all speculators and manipulators.

And yet as a crafter, I’m able to make profits by buying mats from the TP, turn them into finished level 80 exotic items, and sell those on the TP.

Which part of this is speculation or manipulation?

None of it, you need to remember most people in this game can’t make money or save money (just like real life) and so will come up with wild exaggerations to explain this to themselves despite having NO EVIDENCE to support their claims. There’s so much that can be done in the trading post that will result in guaranteed returns which just wouldn’t be possible if the TP were literally filled since every single niche would be filled and the vast majority of them aren’t.

The supply is low because the drop rate is incredibly low UNLESS you forge lvl 80 exotics, then it seems pretty much true random what lvl 80 exotic you’ll get returned and seeing as there aren’t that many within a weapon type it often means you’ll approx on average spend 150g before getting a precursor. It’s how I’ve been making my gold the last several weeks, it seems like a gamble and it might be but I’m making significant returns on it.

mattbnh.9247:

Certainly you should look at your rank permissions, and set up a rank for new players that only allows bank deposits.

Honestly I find those set up discouraging, either give them access to withdraw and deposit or deny them both. The other way just reads poorly/greedy/unfair/etc

Erasculio.2914:

Halanna.3927:

It isn’t that it’s terribly difficult, but it is time consuming and to force a PvP aspect into a PvE activity doesn’t make much sense to me.

Map completition isn’t a PvE only activity,

And do you know why I can prove that? Because you need to complete the WvW map in order to get full map completition.

Considering how no one is forcing you to get 100% map completition, you get rewards for completing each PvE map, and if you want a Legendary you already need 500 Badges of Honor… There simply isn’t an issue here.

Pretty much, the only benefit for world completion is 2 items used only in crafting a legendary which require you to do wvw anyway to get the badges of honor so it’s pretty pointless to complain about it

Farming Flats.5370:

All POI and Vista are doable solo .. even in Orr and it’s easy. But for the ones in WvW you can’t do them without going to others servers.

I did, I haven’t transfered server and have 100% completion.

cesmode.4257:

So, what does it mean “complete a jumping puzzle” ? What constitutes an actual JP that the achievement system recognizes? I know of the one in WvW but is that it?

stand at the entrance…that’s all you don’t have to even do the jump puzzle, just be at the entrance of it

Clark Skinner.4902:

wow 100 events, that is actually quite a lot. It’s the equivalent to 20 dailies. For those who don’t play every day, it could be difficult.

re: a reason to go back to maps in pve for jumping puzzles.
It’s not going to revitalize pve. They aren’t getting involved in the areas, they’re just running to a spot from a waypoint and leaving. It won’t help any of the new christmas players. What we need is a Map Explore monthly, like “Explore Gendarran Fields” for January, which gets lots of players in that map, and getting involved. Each month a new map to re-explore.

Perhaps, but an events one would be the easiest/quickest to do, just join zerg in WvW since you’re generally in an event every other minute that and you get your wvw kills done at the same time.

Rogacz.9865:

Firstly, ANet has no authority to claim that the price of an item is right or wrong, same as you don’t.

Wrong on both accounts. We, as both players and [in game] customers, have every right to say something is too expensive. Secondly, Anet has every tight to not only claim a price is wrong, but also adjust it, through various ways. Which they aim to do with Scavenger Hunt. But seriously, they could drop the prices just by multiplying the drop rate by 10.

Anet say they want to implement a scavenger hunt but from their postings have said NO ONE IS WORKING ON IT so don’t hold you’re breath on it. I’d be more inclined to think anet want the price up to increase gem purchases shrug

precursors aren’t that difficult if you have cash available, I’ve created 3 in the forge in the last two weeks and ran a profit on each just by crafting (cheap) exotics and forging them, any of the rarer ($$$) exotics that came out I sold. There aren’t that many exotic level options when using the same type of weapon in the forge. Soon as you get a precursor and sold it you should have the funds to make two unless the forge really hates you.

I think it’s just luck, although my luck in wvw has been pretty poor lately too :\

I don’t recall having any issue with it, personally the in the south east of Lion’s Arch is worse having to climb up what seems like a vertical wall and not being able to see anything since there’s shrubs all up the path (it’s not difficult but you can’t really see anything to even have the slightest clue if you’re going the right way)

varies a bit, metals in mass quantity craft much faster at max speed than either woods or leathers, nothing huge but some items craft max speed is faster than others.

it’s intended, you can switch it off via an option in your options though

It’s kind of funny reading these posts, some many of the people calling exploit clearly havent salvaged high level crafted rares in mass because that generates a mass of ecto’s and profit STILL if you’re capable of using a tiny bit of math. But hurray for the outraged ignorant!

stof.9341:

Dante.1508:

I agree GW1 had way more Variation in armor sets.

Before or after the expansion packs? No matter how you look at it, GW2 is a just released MMO and it cannot have as much variety of content than older MMOs. The amount of skins available is enough for now and will obviously get expanded over time.

There’s a difference between amount of skins and variety within skins, GW2 has a fair few skins but the variety in them isn’t particularly high. Most of the medium armors are basically the same as are male light armors. There’s a few exceptions here and there but for the most part they are awfully similiar.

Cymatoperior.5942:

You make 25 gold/hour on a bad day? You mean you never lose money trading?
Maybe you made a typo and you meant silver. 25 silver/hour on a bad day.

I don’t lose money trading, I make around a 56% profit for every gold I put in. There are things that flip that well

coronbale.3894:

Protoavis.9107:

Amity.8549:

Lavath.8924:

celeron.3469:

crewthief.8649:

I really think all you need to know about Jedah can be found reading his wall of text regarding his Guilds’ “Holiday Leave Policy”, LMAO. Seriously bro.

Say all you want, MERC is probably one of the biggest guilds left in the game. Just last Friday they had 200 members online at the same time (it might even be nightly idk). That may not have even been the only guild they have considering they are at member cap. Given that, I can almost guarantee your replies are overreaction out of frustration.

What a coincidence! I think Stormbluff had almost 200 online at the same time too! It was amazing =D

Had a good chuckle at this.

As for any and all MERC’s banter, there is no ill intent behind this, just what feels like a satisfying retaliation to last week. If any members of our guild wishes to voice their opinion they can do so, our leadership isn’t going to stand in the way. As for our rivals, I personally have the utmost respect for FOO and DC, their strategy, tactics, coordination and implementation provides us with a challenge each and every night. Countering it requires discipline and innovation. Last night they were trebbing garrison on SoS bl from the rocks west of Dawns. Our counter ended up being continuous suicide portal bombs from spawn which got pretty hilarious in the end. I think if there wasn’t solid opposition like FOO I would probably looking towards another game.

I would, but I had to leave the guild because members from the guild kept PM’ing me to get to WvW EVERY SINGLE DAY, was fairly annoying and felt like harassment since that is what guild chat is for, not spamming everyone via private message.

Totally get that, but dont you think joining one of the top WvW guilds out there if your casual about WvW is a bit overkill? A little like joining the Lakers because you like to shoot hoops once in a while.

TSYM gets their fair share of casuals, and we quickly move them on their way. There are plenty of casual WvW guilds out there who only WvW occasionally, that is where you belong.

You join the best if you want to take it seriously, this was your mistake not theirs…

One, they randomly invite everyone, I didn’t request.
Two, multiple people throughout a day using the private message system to copy paste a message to all players (regardless if they are representing the guild currently or not) is desperate, annoying and quickly becomes harassing. Use guild chat, if the player wants to see it they’ll see it don’t harrass them about it.
Three, in one of the other top guilds (I’d say it’s higher than MERC) and don’t receive any of the BS that I got from MERC.