Guild Wars 2

There is more then enough content (if they get their crap together and release it .. cough raids cough) to keep everyone busy without time gating the Elites. We have Raids, Guild Halls, New Maps (for all modes), Fractals, Legendaries, Adventures, Events, Masteries, and I’m sure I’ve missed a few. I don’t see how time gating the Elites is productive, how does it affect anyone if you do it as a Necro or a Reaper for example. If they wanted to do something for elites they should have done a quest line of some sort.

The bottom line is, it hurts nothing to have elites playable, the rest of the content is still the same regardless of which class/spec you are using. There is simply no need and all this has done is divide the community and ticked off a lot of players. This is suppose to be an exciting time for GW2 and instead they have managed to turn it into a witch hunt.

Do none of the Dev’s actually play WvW on a regular basis ? Why are we having to explain the flaws here ? Are you really that out of touch with one of your major game modes ?

I seriously can’t believe that we need to explain this to the people who run and design this game.

Lorelei.7809:

Thing is no PvE player will have the elite specs unlocked. If it is retroactive, then WvW players are ahead. If it isn’t, then people are in the same boat. PvErs still have to complete 40 Maguuma hearts which won’t be a piece of cake.

For time spent in game if you compare how many HP you would get in 12 hours vs how many WvW lvls you would get in 12 hours, then you would be aware of the glaring issue.

Time spent should be relatively equal, WvW is expected to take a bit longer due to the nature of how it works and the dependence of other player, but I’d wager if you spend the same amount of time grinding those HP in the Jungle as a WvW player spend grind the ranks his 2 weeks will equal 2-3 days for you.

Lorelei.7809:

Re: 200 WvW ranks?
Yep.
Note that a lot of people who seriously WvW probably have that many WvW ranks (and much much higher). I haven’t really done it to a large extent and I’m rank 60 or so?
That right there is 120 points.
For the other 280, it can simply be 28 Maguuma hero challenges. Which doesn’t sound too bad to me. And of course, it could be 140 more WvW ranks.
But the fact of the matter is, is that it can be done 100% in WvW. So you can play as you wish.

Most of us do have rank 200 and much higher but its not retroactive that we have been made aware of so even for the most hard core of WvW players 200 ranks will take a couple weeks.

It’s nice that they gave us this as an after thought but thats really not the right word because there wasn’t much thought put into it. The amount we get per rank need to be increased significantly if we’re to keep up with the Jones (PvE). Right now 200 ranks is like spitting in our face, it’s basically the same as leaving a penny for a tip and expecting a thank you from your server.

They had it in GW1 for the cities/hubs they were called districts. You could use the drop down and select the district you wanted to be in/join.

Better yet when is the next Golem event ?

To soon ?

Currently I think that is the only method.

Alukah.2063:

Random.4691:

Alukah.2063:

Chaba.5410:

ColinJohanson.2394:

PlatinumMember.5274:

Unless I am mistaken just to unlock half of the training line, we need 212 hero points?

It’s 400 points total to unlock everything in an elite spec training line – I just can’t remember off hand how many points folks have currently if they have done all the existing ones, but it’s right around 200. The rest you’ll need to earn in jungle to unlock the deeper skills/traits/etc. in the training line.

You only need 60 hero points to begin using your elite spec, the points you spend after that continue to unlock more skills, traits, skins, etc.

Again, hero challenges are worth 10 points each in the jungle. So no you don’t need to go do 200-400 jungle challenges.

A Portrait of the Player as a WvW Regular

- Two accounts (actually I have three but only purchased HoT for these two).
- Twelve level 80s
- Two above 60 hero points
- Only one with 100% map completion
- 75% of toons under 20% map completion
- 5904 combined total gaming hours
- No Legendary
- No full sets of ascended gear
- Purchaser of gems with real cash
- 1892 combined WXP rank (677 and 1215 respectively)

How can you help me? Can I hire you to get the hero points for my toons?

Anet should totally cater to you, because your case is the same as 90% of the playerbase.

His case is the same as a lot more players then you think. GJ on the ignorance though, mega servers give you the illusion of PvE being more populated. You would be surprised how many WvW players there actually are.

Yeah because there’s a direct relation between WvW population and people with 12 characters.

“His case is the same as a lot more players then you think.”

Citation needed.

Nice cherry pick, did you just decide to leave out the rest of the list because it did not suit your argument ?

Alukah.2063:

Chaba.5410:

ColinJohanson.2394:

PlatinumMember.5274:

Unless I am mistaken just to unlock half of the training line, we need 212 hero points?

It’s 400 points total to unlock everything in an elite spec training line – I just can’t remember off hand how many points folks have currently if they have done all the existing ones, but it’s right around 200. The rest you’ll need to earn in jungle to unlock the deeper skills/traits/etc. in the training line.

You only need 60 hero points to begin using your elite spec, the points you spend after that continue to unlock more skills, traits, skins, etc.

Again, hero challenges are worth 10 points each in the jungle. So no you don’t need to go do 200-400 jungle challenges.

A Portrait of the Player as a WvW Regular

- Two accounts (actually I have three but only purchased HoT for these two).
- Twelve level 80s
- Two above 60 hero points
- Only one with 100% map completion
- 75% of toons under 20% map completion
- 5904 combined total gaming hours
- No Legendary
- No full sets of ascended gear
- Purchaser of gems with real cash
- 1892 combined WXP rank (677 and 1215 respectively)

How can you help me? Can I hire you to get the hero points for my toons?

Anet should totally cater to you, because your case is the same as 90% of the playerbase.

His case is the same as a lot more players then you think. GJ on the ignorance though, mega servers give you the illusion of PvE being more populated. You would be surprised how many WvW players there actually are.

Hyper Cutter.9376:

Have faith, OP, Anet’s hellbent on turning this game into a WoW clone so I’m sure you’ll get your mount soon enough!

LOL why because they made a healing class and added raids ?

News flash, both of these things existed before WoW was even a twinkle in the MMO markets eye.

Oh look another thread.

SamTheGuardian.2938:

Does this mean if you have if I have an Ele with Fire, Arcane and Water specializations unlocked and maxed that I will also have to unlock all trait paths in Air and Earth (which I never use) before I can begin to unlock Tempest (Elite Spec)?

yes

Wow a Red post, you probably should have posted on an alt account or deleted your message Gaile, who knows what the consequences will be if your colleagues find out you were slumming in the WvW forums.

Alukah.2063:

Random.4691:

It’s starting to sound as if they are selling an incomplete product.

You need to do X to get your Elite specs eventually, sorry Guild hall arenas will take X time to get, Raids won’t be released until X date.

So wtf exactly is it we paid for ? The ability to eventually play content ?

Heres a jungle, we got that completed … mostly, but you will need to get all your masteries done so you can eventually explore it all.

This is just plain silly.

I’m not saying everything should be handed to us right off the bat and no work should be put in what so ever but it’s becoming very apparent that they bit off more then they can chew with the number of time gates put on literally every aspect of the expansion.

This post made me laugh more than it shouldn’t.

When you bought the original game, did it come out with a fully leveled 80, full map exploration, full legendaries, full gold, full items? You paid to be able to do those things, and also paid for all the future incoming content, since the base game is not getting any new content.

So yes, you are saying everything should be handed to you right off the bat.

Not at all, Raids are the exception, they should be ready for release because they are a selling point. Guild Arenas shouldn’t take a month or 3 or whatever it was they quoted thats a major selling point for a lot of people, should it take some time ? Sure but if you have the man power it should be drastically reduced. Elite specs, they have a pre req its having all the core specs, to add 400 HP ontop of that ? thats way to many HP whether it includes cosmetics or not is irrelevant it’s still to much mindless grind. Masteries, how long will they take before you can explore the new zone completely, not to mention you will also need them for … drum roll … raids, that they should have had ready for release.

The time gates are far to large for a game like GW2. I’m not saying No time gates, I’m saying they need to be greatly reduced.

You will need to donate a major organ first, then you will receive the discounter HP price of 500.

It’s starting to sound as if they are selling an incomplete product.

You need to do X to get your Elite specs eventually, sorry Guild hall arenas will take X time to get, Raids won’t be released until X date.

So wtf exactly is it we paid for ? The ability to eventually play content ?

Heres a jungle, we got that completed … mostly, but you will need to get all your masteries done so you can eventually explore it all.

This is just plain silly.

I’m not saying everything should be handed to us right off the bat and no work should be put in what so ever but it’s becoming very apparent that they bit off more then they can chew with the number of time gates put on literally every aspect of the expansion.

Warscythes.9307:

Isn’t this just like lvling up like in the other game expansions? Why is this a problem now?

This isn’t another game, and no it’s not like leveling up, the new spec are suppose to be in line with the old, they are not more powerful according to Anet. Also we already have the pre-requisite that we need to have all the core specs first so why is there a ridiculously high point cost after that ?

DDCarvalho.2071:

Great decision ArenaNet.

Most people that play RPGs like a sense of character progression.
Since now our character progression is horizontal progression with elite specializations, I am very happy to see that I won’t get my full elite spec on the first 5 minutes of the expansion.
I hope no amount of QQ and backlash is enough to make you guys change course.

For a future expansion, a suggestion I would make is to include the new skill points during the beta and make people need them to unlock the elite specs (even if it is at a accelerated pace), so people don’t get the unrealistic expectation that everything will be handed out to them on a silver platter.

That will surely help them test the future elite specs …

Progression and accomplishment is good but there’s a fine line between good and overboard.

The number of people who are now going to do is going to much much higher. While I’m sure some people want it just handed to them, I’m seeing a lot of people saying they don’t mind working for it but the current number Anet has come up with is to high.

Here’s another example of what is troubling for one set of players, the only reason for a WvW player to even buy the Xpac is the elites, anything else they need is being implemented for free. The 200 WvW ranks people will need will take weeks not days, and that’s for the hard core WvW players.

skeeman.3140:

So, to sum up this thread so far…

VerucaSalt.4753

I want it to be reasonable and not see everyone blow through the content as fast as possible.

Fixed that for you.

Not wanting to do it is only part of the complaints, read the entire 15 pages, there are a lot of good reasons for people to be upset besides not wanting to do them.

Sidenti.6035:

Random.4691:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Random.4691:

Ayrilana.1396:

It’s 40 hero challenges within HoT. Even less if you currently have excess hero points. Not a big deal…

No it’s not a big deal to you, it’s a rather large deal to everyone who disagrees, which is the majority. (at least in the forum world)

Hey look, Random is making up random stats. That’s not actually random at all, and is to be entirely expected.

Is it, I’ll invite you to go count the negative posts vs the positive posts over in that angry thread. Good Luck have fun, consider it practice for farming those HP.

Actually, as the person who claims the statistic, the onus is on you to prove it. So, YOU have fun doing YOUR homework.

Or don’t. Whatever. I ain’t your parole officer. -Sid

It’s not on me at all, I’m aware of the answer, you have the option to believe or not believe, but if you want to disprove then I’m afraid that onus is on you.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Random.4691:

Ayrilana.1396:

It’s 40 hero challenges within HoT. Even less if you currently have excess hero points. Not a big deal…

No it’s not a big deal to you, it’s a rather large deal to everyone who disagrees, which is the majority. (at least in the forum world)

Hey look, Random is making up random stats. That’s not actually random at all, and is to be entirely expected.

Is it, I’ll invite you to go count the negative posts vs the positive posts over in that angry thread. Good Luck have fun, consider it practice for farming those HP.

Behellagh.1468:

What? Did you think it’ll be the same cost as a normal Specialization line? Did you think they would be totally unlocked on day one? Oh no, you will have to work for it.

The cost includes all the new skills as well as traits. And Hero Challenges are 10 HP each.

Well to be fair Anet has stated several time that they do not want the new specs to over shadow the old, so why wouldn’t cost the same amount ? Because they labeled it with elite ? It’s a word, nothing more.

Ayrilana.1396:

Random.4691:

Ayrilana.1396:

It’s 40 hero challenges within HoT. Even less if you currently have excess hero points. Not a big deal…

No it’s not a big deal to you, it’s a rather large deal to everyone who disagrees, which is the majority. (at least in the forum world)

Because 40 HoT hero challenges requires too much effort?

That may or may not be the point for many, it’s also only your opinion which has about as much value as everyone elses opinions including the OP.

Ayrilana.1396:

It’s 40 hero challenges within HoT. Even less if you currently have excess hero points. Not a big deal…

No it’s not a big deal to you, it’s a rather large deal to everyone who disagrees, which is the majority. (at least in the forum world)

What you really want is a place you can gank people mid jumping puzzle because it presents little to no challenge. You know you can do this in EotM or WvW right ? The difference is they will most likely fight back, I’ll wager this is your issue, it’s not as easy to kill someone that fights back.

No Walking.6349:

Dawdler.8521:

OS is still used for the Arena every now and then though. With it being megaserver, that is gone.

But then again we are no longer really crowded on normal maps, even in high tier.

GvG will be done in guild halls from here on out, yet another reason to add OS to EotM.

Those will only be 15 v 15 for the distant future, not to mention the time gate to actually unlock and build the arena.

There is a large difference between working for progression and grinding an unrealistic expectation. Yes in WvW this will literally take weeks, if it requires masteries to get to some of the nodes in the jungle, that too will take more time than necessary.

It’s suppose to be fun, if these elites are not suppose to be more powerful and just give us more options as Anet has stated time and again, then why should they be treated differently then regular spec in regards to points needed ? Because they use the word “Elite” to describe them ? Sorry but no that’s just a word there is nothing “Elite” about them. We paid for the option to use the specs when we bought HoT, that is what separates us from those who did not buy it. They use old specs we purchased the ability to use the new specs, so stop with the “you just want everything for free” comments, last I checked it was not free.

This has already been pointed out so I just want to echo it.

GJ Anet, now people are going to blast through the new content as fast as possible without taking the time to enjoy it. Congratz on getting it bass ackwards.

It affects one class in particular very differently because of the way Anet decided to design it. Let’s say you grind away and get your fist 60 points and unlock whatever specialization it is you’re aiming for. That’s all fine and dandy but what about the Herald ? Their utilities are locked in so for those people who want to play Rev are we suppose to unlock Herald at 60 points and either not use it or run around without utilities ?

Swagger.1459:

I get that you guys want us logging in and doing stuff, but this is not the idea of fun… Nobody wants stuff for free but the unlock system numbers that you had was good enough, no need to go and sully enjoyment for players.

Technically it’s not free, we did pay for it.

How does this affect Heralds ?

If you say classes can start unlocking at 60 points does that mean classes can start using a limited number of the utilities ? If this is the case then what do you purpose for Heralds who have to use all or nothing ? Are we expect to run around with only 1 utility because we don’t have the ability to compensate the remaining utilities with old utilities ?

Doesn’t seem like a very well thought out plan imo.

briggah.7910:

RapidSausage.4620:

I takes a full 1 hour of running around the map to collect 10~15 hero points, imagine doing this for 250 hero points for 8 characters by a player who has no interest in pve but is forced to do it to stay competitive in WvW.

The upcoming WvW solutions will help, but honestly it will still take far longer to get a hero point in wvw than to just go to pve and collect it.

So after HoT drops to stay competitive we must run these new elites? Don’t think so

Do you really want to unlock as much as you can as soon as possible? Why not pick one that you think you might enjoy and have some fun with it instead of worrying about grinding for hero points.

In some cases for WvW, yes. As for the unlocking everything, I agree, there really isn’t a need to unlock all the classes asap but some people are altaholics and if thats what they want to do then all the power to them.

Why worry ?

It is to be expected, if anyone truly believes that launch/release will be 100% perfect they are either dilusional or have never been around for an MMO launch/release. Things happen, people forget to dot the i’s and cross the t’s, players find exploits because we are creative like that. Then there is servers being jam packed by everyone trying to get in at once, malicious outside interference is also a very real possibility.

Just relax and expect the worst, then you can be pleasantly surprised when it goes fairly smooth, or you can be ready for the mass carnage that is also known as launch/release.

Play at your own risk and accept there will most likely be issues.

Fluffball.8307:

Damage immune pets would be hella OP in PvP. I like the suggestion that’s been brought up a few times about pets in WvW getting DR based on number of enemies around or something.

People keep using this, please stop, if they can make boons prioritize players they can make damage prioritize players. This is not an excuse.

There would need to be some fine tuning for WvW but, the problem is Anet made a class that relies on it’s pet, there is no option to not use this pet and be on par with the rest of the classes. Now that they seem to be taking steps to correct issues such as this, it’s high time they paid attention to more than PvE. How is your pet getting insta gibbed in PvE any worse then your pet getting insta gibbed in WvW, you’re still missing your class mechanic in the Rangers situation, regardless of what Mode you’re playing.

As far as using pets or minions to soak up damage, just make it so damage prioritizes players first, if there is a lack of players then it prioritizes whatever is in the area, you know kinda like the same code that makes boons prioritize … gasp … players first.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Blackarps.1974:

When you say that they are remaining the same for PvP, does that mean WvW too? Please say yes.

This is only for creature attacks against player minions. Player attacks against minions keeps the same functionality as it has right now. This is for everywhere.

Well this makes a lot of sense …
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I really don’t know why the team doesn’t just do this stuff across the board and then tweek as needed.

I get that this is not a good thing for PvP and fully support not having AI dominating classes, but in WvW … common, everything melts in a second during large battles.

X T D.6458:

Agrios.9071:

Do i understand this correct:
-you can buy a Scroll that gives you a random hero challenge completed (1 hero point) -you need those hero points to unlock new traits
-pve player can just gather hero points by map completion but wvw players are not allowed to be prepared (the scroll will get added and wasnt known, so hoarding wasnt actually a preparation)?
->dont wvw players have a disadvantage compared to pve players this way? Please equal it out and delete all pve players hero points so they are not more prepared then i am???

The hero points in pve need to be acquired by going to each one and doing w/e taks is associated with them, with this new feature wvw’ers will essentially be able to buy hero points with badges so no having to leave wvw or grind pve to get enough hero points to unlock elite specs. There is also nothing stopping wvw’ers from stocking up hero points in pve maps.

Did you not read the part about when we unlock a point a HP in PvE will become locked/completed for us ? No we won’t be able to double up or stock pile points from PvE.

To get 5 HP in PvE will take less time, hit the starer zones, if there is a mob 1 shot it. Depending on the day and the activity those first 5 WvW levels could take longer than PvE, not a great deal longer but you need to take the enemy into account for WvW. Not to mention the dead servers that have no one to fight or may already own everything so their WvW levels are at a stand still.

Be careful to take what you hear with a grain of salt, things are changing with HoT, Zerker may not be your best bet and could result in wasted gold. Best to wait and see what HoT brings.

Right now, we don’t know. Druids only had 1 beta weekend so any changes they may receive are going to be new to everyone. Trying to make a build right now is not a good idea until we have more facts. You don’t want to go and craft or buy a bunch of gear that turns out to be sub optimal.

Game the system for long enough and the system ends up gaming you.

It has happened but it so few and far between, you have a better chance at seeing a leprechaun riding a unicorn.

We have requested it to be removed or fixed forever, best to just avoid having it until or if they decide to fix it.

Perplexity is in a league of it’s own when it comes to runes, it’s not just because people don’t like conditions. It is the one rune in WvW for example that people have requested to be removed from the day it became available. It is to powerful.

I could see them changing the reset time but I don’t think you’re going to win the day battle. From their last post explaining that they want to be able to fix issues without affecting WvW reset it sounds like their minds are made up.

illenos.5134:

Random.4691:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Since the blog simply says u get these scrolls from gaining wvw rank, I wonder if this can be farmed in eotm. Would be another reason to join the k-train.

I never thought of this, will WvW be a barren waste land for the first couple days while everyone farms EotM ?

Finally an excuse to do EotM all day long! The secret dream of every WvW player! <3

…no…seriously! I hope we get rewarded for having several hundred or even thousand unused wvw ranks/points.

Edit: I was so excited that I forgot one fact: WTF ANET WAS READING POSTS REGARDING WVW!? O.o

It’s because we snuck a lot of them into the HoT forum threads ;p

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Since the blog simply says u get these scrolls from gaining wvw rank, I wonder if this can be farmed in eotm. Would be another reason to join the k-train.

I never thought of this, will WvW be a barren waste land for the first couple days while everyone farms EotM ?

My only thought is it seems a bit expensive when weighing it against clicking a node. 30 BoH is not a significant amount but for 170 HP that’s 5100 BoH for those that don’t have a back log and 170 WvW levels for the proof (if I’m understanding that right). I’m happy they have done something for us, but I’m not so sure the cost is in line. What about the players that are already an absurd WvW level ? Isn’t this going to be an excessive grind for them to get those next 170 Levels ?

I really don’t want this to be taken the wrong way, I am happy but I am concerned, then again, maybe I’m just not understanding the blog.