Guild Wars 2

Straylight.7529:

sharkswithlazers.7632:

Straylight.7529:

Random.4691:

Straylight.7529:

I’ll be playing as a reaper straight away. Can’t wait for it!

No unfortunately you will not be playing as a reaper straight away.

Why not? :P

Because Anet dissappoints. You need 400 Hero points to unlock everything. Admittedly that’s everything (armor and runes) but you won’t be able to spend your 200 from map completion to unlock reaper. It’s a bummer.

Are you sure? I have 200 unspent hero points. 60 will unlock the elite specialization. That leaves another 140 to spend. Will it give me all the traits and cosmetic items and make me the best possible reaper there is? No. Will it allow me to play as a grandsword-wielding reaper with a couple of traits to boot? Yes!

ergo:

Random.4691:

No unfortunately you will not be playing as a reaper straight away.

FALSE information

sharkswithlazers.7632:

but you won’t be able to spend your 200 from map completion to unlock reaper

FALSE information

please see yourselves out.

thank you

You keep telling yourself that, BUT, if you do manage to unlock right away there are literally thousands of WvW players that would like to know so we can demand retroactive proofs, you know because you can farm ahead of time while we can’t. Hope and pray for QQ sake that you have to grind it out or the hell that is about to be raised will be on a whole new level.

I’m glad to see those that aren’t forum warriors like some of us speaking up. Pay attention Anet, you turned happy time into lynch time.

It really seems as though (taking timing into consideration) they realized Raids were a no go at release so take those specs that will drastically affect raids (Druid, Herald, heck all of them) and increase the grind giving them more time to make up for the incompetence of not leaving enough test time (raids on the last beta weekend … a major selling point should have been tested long before). Its my opinion that they are punishing us for their incompetence because they are not ready and trying to buy time.

They deserve a big middle finger at this point. we are being punished for their incompetence.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Random.4691:

Why do people keep using GW1 or other games as examples ? This is clearly not GW1 or we would have split classing and not be able to jump, it’s also not Metroid because this isn’t 1930.

People use GW1 because it’s also made by ArenaNet.

My post was using the other games to prove that every single game in existence has the very system that people are complaining about right now. Needing to play content in order to progress your playing capabilities.

And just so it’s clear:

Locking elite specs behind doing HoT content is not the problem. This should be done.

It’s how they locked elite specs behind doing HoT content that’s the problem.

No, that’s an opinion so it doesn’t mean it should be. There is plenty of progression and a spec is not one of them. Its like saying you need to complete all of the Jungle before you can roll Revenant. There is no difference, you can make every argument in the book, in the end they are cutting us from the one part that doesn’t affect the game play if its free, small grind or large grind. Here’s the thing, people are making all these excuses why it shouldn’t be insta unlock, those same people have the option to create their own unlock time frame, most of which will unlock instantly If available. If they want to wait for content then wait, you don’t need anyone to hold your hand and tell you no.

Pompeia.5483:

BobbyT.7192:

So does that mean we just got to wait and see in two days, I mean I’m all for speculation, but if what the point in turning that mole hill into a mountain if we are not even facing the right direction.

Yeah, that is what I am guessing… it got blown out of proportion from poor communication (which everyone is a victim of). I will not stress about it till the day comes. Of course I will be sad about my Revenant, but I can just play my Chillomancer until I unlock the mastery needed for enough HPC’s to get it. Besides, Herald was just a better form of Invocation anyhow (for condi)

Shocking, well no really. This could have all been toned down by a simple response, this is going to be the death of anet (not this moment but the constant ignorance of customer relation). More bad publicity /golf clap to anet, ignorance is bliss.

I’m on DB, this is what I love about this community people like you and I rarely agree but in the end we can laugh about it. I can completely understand staying loyal and wish you the best of luck.

If you do decide to vacation, send me a PM on the forums I use this account to voice my opinions so my main doesn’t get banned because as I’m sure your aware I’m not always peaches and cream ;p

Pompeia.5483:

Because I have a feeling at least half of the upset players would cool down if they just told us the layout, in numbers, to unlock traits, skills, sigils, fashion-wars items, etc. I will perform some math magic™.

I, honestly, have no problem (for my mains… alts I casually play are a diff story and will likely still remain unplayed because of these shenanigans) if the traits and skill are around 250-300 because I can see getting the GM traits in HoT as not as big a deal… except for like Daredevil or Reaper where the main idea behind the Elite spec is the GM.

However, if the GM traits end up being that 400 point item (falsely? assuming a linear path for all things elite and thus breaking the mold of skills and traits being separate) well, I hope my aforementioned box of kittens with Rabies run rampant in the home of the person that made this choice.

So… if we get someone (the mastermind behind this) to, perhaps, be kind enough to fill out this table… that would be brilliant.
(Also, we can see this as a better breakdown of where those 400 points go. We can also make assumptions based on previous traits on the order we have to get things—top down in lists.)

Elite-Spec Minor 1 = 60
Elite-Spec Adept 1 = ?
Elite-Spec Adept 2 = ?
Elite-Spec Adept 3 = ?
Elite-Spec Minor 2 = ?
Elite-Spec Major 1 = ?
Elite-Spec Major 2 = ?
Elite-Spec Major 3 = ?
Elite-Spec Minor 3 = ?
Elite-Spec GM 1 = ?
Elite-Spec GM 2 = ?
Elite-Spec GM 3 = ?

Elite-Spec Heal = ?
Elite-Spec Utility 1 = ?
Elite-Spec Utility 2 = ?
Elite-Spec Utility 3 = ?
Elite-Spec Utility 4 = ? (Not on Revenant so… do they cost less? Nah, likely cheaper for each level… more BS!)
Elite-Spec Elite = ?

Rune ~
Sigil ~
Armor Item ~

So 340 points distributed over… seventeen skill/trait things and three cosmetic.
If we made the (obviously false) assumption it was evenly distributed, that means about twenty each. Thus, if you only wanted the trait line (and assuming skills remains equally separate like today) that means you need only 280 total points there. Which is, well, reasonable, as we already have 200-215 on a fully HP-complete character.
Then there are another 120 points for skills. Arguably, you only want one or two of those… and you can make due with just a couple. If you look at previous streams, and the order we have seen in the current skill lines, you know how many points you need to unlock your skills of choice. Though… if you (only) want that elite… then you gotta get em all anyhow.

Now, of course, factor in that they may or may not weight the rune/sigil/armor the same as the skills and that points of the elite-spec trait and skill lines increase as they progress, you now get the feeling of how much for each set of stuff. Sure, we have to fully unlock all the other (the only real mistake in this system) traits first, but it does not mean you have to fully unlock the Elite Specs to get what you want out of it… new game-play.

Lastly, given the previous “standard” we have of roughly doubling amounts as we go along and I would give the following rough assumption of what everything costs:

A1 – 5
A2 – 5
A3 – 10
`2 – 10
M1 – 20
M2 – 20
M3 – 20
`3 – 30
G1 – 35
G2 – 35
G3 – 35

H 5
U 10
U 10
U 10
U 20
E 30

Rune 10
Sigil 10
Armor 10

This is a brilliant post, it’s also what I have been saying, acknowledge us. Everytime Anet is confronted with something that ticks off the players they hide in kitten, its diminishing your rep, you are known as the company that will not acknowledge your customer base. That is not something to be proud of, its frustrating to see it tbh, be that company that works with your players, listen to us, ask us, you have a wealth of information at your finger tips that you seem to refuse to use.

Lucifers Heaven.2167:

Random.4691:

You clearly misses the point, it takes less then 5 seconds to acknowledge the community.

And you missed my point. Sometimes a simple response is not the right move.
They may be holding off on responding because the correct people are not currently in office (they have a midnight launch followed by launch weekend, they may be having time off now so as to be on hand for as much of that as possible). They may be choosing to wait and see if this is a big enough issue for enough people that it warrants looking into (as I’ve said, this thread is long, but it’s mostly the same people complaining).
Public/community relations is a complicated and sometimes delicate thing. Look at their response to the “expansion includes the base game” shenanigans. They saw the problem but they took their time looking at the community, the problem and potential solutions, then they made an announcement. That is often how they do things. And while I too sometimes wish they’d respond more, I don’t blame them for not. Given the internet’s skill at misunderstanding and taking things out of context. Heck, while there are some potentially valid issues in this thread, a whole lot of it is people complaining about their own assumptions based on incomplete and misunderstood/misquoted information.

Actually in this case I will say (which I normaly would never) you are 100% wrong, the post does not have to address the issue, what it’s intent should be is that they are paying attention to the community. Last time they remained silent it blew up all over the net. It is completely possible to be in touch with your community/customers without leading to any kind of answer. If they are incapable of this small factor then they need to find someone who is capable and hire them for PR issues. This is the very basic of customer service, the type of thing they teach at McDonalds, acknowledge the customer.

Lucifers Heaven.2167:

Random.4691:

As always a simple “we are looking into this but no promises” takes less then 5 sec to post. It’s not a time issue its a cowardness issue.

Nice. If I were one of the devs comments like that would just give me incentive to let people like you stew longer. To actually look into it, but to not give you a comment like that.
There are myriad reasons they may not be responding.

You clearly missed the point, it takes less then 5 seconds to acknowledge the community.

Kaiser.9873:

BobbyT.7192:

Seera.5916:

The one to Rule.2593:

gavyne.6847:

The one to Rule.2593:

So…..get the elite specs?

That’s the core of the complaint, having the elite specs gated behind expansion content. This means we’ll have to play new expansion content with the same ‘ol characters we’ve played for the past 3 years. Likely have to do masteries in order to unlock some hero challenges.

It’s just boring and disappointing to have to play these same ‘ol characters in the new expansion, and have to repeat it over and over and over and over until you’ve done it for all your characters and unlocked their elite specs. All this just so we could play the new elite specs in the new expansion content both in PvE & WvW.

If you don’t understand this, then I’ve got nothing further to say to you. I wish Colin would come back and talk with the playerbase more so players don’t have to tear each other apart on behalf of Anet. It’s clear some are ok with it, some aren’t. No sense letting players kill each other over it because nobody’s going to change anybody’s minds here.

I understand it, it’s just ridiculous that people thought that they were just gonna get their elite specs with no work.

No one was expecting no work, but the amount needed seems high to some, especially to those who have a number of alts.

That’s the life one chooses when they decide to have alts, IMO alts are suppose to be expensive, and time consuming. I would be really rich if it wasn’t for my alts, ( seriously, I made my first legendary for an alt).
Thb, the amount of work is not that high, for what you need, could get done in a few hours.

See the PvE players keep saying, “You can get it done in a few hours.”, but the truth is no one knows how long it will take. What if 30 of the 40 Hero Challenges you need are xp gated behind masteries?

“Hey, want these 5 challenges? Okay master ley line gliding.” 16 million xp later you can go get those 5 challenges. “Hey here’s 7 more challenges, but you have to master super mario mushroom jumping first.” Okay there goes another giant time block. “Ahhhh learn to understand the mysterious language of C’thulu and gain access to 10 more hero challenges.” Get what I’m saying?

I agree to a degree but we really shouldn’t lump all of the PvE players in together, there is plenty that are against this. and as far as my above post they could also say " sorry were are happy with this number" which also took less then 5 sec to type.

Seera.5916:

Lucifers Heaven.2167:

Random.4691:

Seriously the lack of red post, not that I should be surprised, it’s like that child that was caught doing something they shouldn’t so they just hide because that makes everything better. I guess they really didn’t learn from their FAQ scandal.

Given that the vast majority of the complaints in this thread are by a small handful of people and that most of it was posted during Anet’s downtime, this really shouldn’t be a surprise.
People are trying to be very loud about their complaints, but so far the actual number of people complaining really isn’t that high.

That and we’re within 2 days of launch. The devs may not have time for posting on the forums that much or the permission to interrupt the devs that know the answers to the questions we have about this.

As always a simple “we are looking into this but no promises” takes less then 5 sec to post. It’s not a time issue its a cowardness issue.

Seriously the lack of red post, not that I should be surprised, it’s like that child that was caught doing something they shouldn’t so they just hide because that makes everything better. I guess they really didn’t learn from their FAQ scandal.

Why do people keep using GW1 or other games as examples ? This is clearly not GW1 or we would have split classing and not be able to jump, it’s also not Metroid because this isn’t 1930.

I think 5 is stretching it, that would require the perfect storm, you know, all commanders on all sides agreeing to do the giant Karma train in unison. Realistically maybe 2 per hour so 100 hours divided by the amount of hours you spend in game daily = X days.

Straylight.7529:

I’ll be playing as a reaper straight away. Can’t wait for it!

No unfortunately you will not be playing as a reaper straight away.

Sytherek.7689:

SpyderArachnid.5619:

You pre-purchased a product that was “Subject to Change”. You knew full well when ordering the product before it was ready, that things could change during production.

This is a well known fact. The law won’t help you here. You made an investment into an unfinished product, that you knew was subject to change. Every product that is a WIP undergoes changes during production. You knew this when you purchased HoT, knowing that we wouldn’t get all the info up front and instead, it would be given over time as progress developed.

There was no misleading or false advertising. If you are unhappy with your purchase, get a refund. But don’t try to claim they are breaking the law, because they aren’t.

ANET did not break the law.
I admit I was stupid to pre-purchase HoT. Thank fate I only bought it on my single account, and didn’t waste money on two others in the family. So I was only 1/3 stupid.

This, as angry as we may be, they broke no laws.

Spurnshadow.3678:

I’d still like to know why there are different icons for elite specs.

Because once you change specs you are no long X you are now Y. A sub class if you will. I don’t really see how a different icon matters but that’s just my opinion.

Daddar.5971:

Does A-Net realize that the karma train in EotM is gonna be a HUGE thing? That’s the most efficient way for a WvW player to earn the hero points. I HATE EotM, but it’s better than PvE… so I’m gonna spend several MONTHS running in a karma train (to get the elite on all 19 toons) rather than fighting in WvW as I’d rather be doing.

Of course they do, then they will just use that as an excuse to turn WvW into a EotM scenario because EotM was soooo popular during HoT launch.

Sad part is I can 100% see them doing this.

……………………. A shrubbery !

Wait didn’t the majority of “Ultimate Dominators” exploit OS with kill trades for this title ? lol

I know there are some legit cases of people earning it but it’s really not a status symbol anymore due to tarnishing it with kill trades.

briggah.7910:

Might be time for me to finally sell myself out and transfer off the server I’ve been on since I started.. I bought HoT and want to actually play on this new map yet I’ve been playing with myself (no not like that) or 4 – 5 others during mid day NA up until primetime where everyone plays for 2 hours then logs off again.

Will probably wait a week or two after HoT to see what happens but yea for the first time ever I’m starting to worry…

Come play with me (no not like that) we can annoy each other in perfect harmony !

So use exotics until you can afford ascended. Just don’t rely on your armor to carry you.

Zaklex.6308:

To all of those that seem to be floored by this announcement…you just proved that the human race does not pay attention very well. I’ve known for a long time it would take HP to unlock the Elite Spec and you wouldn’t be able to get all of it right off the bat. What I refuse to do though is tell you where the information is at, find it for yourself…the only thing we didn’t know what the total number of HP needed, but I knew my ~200 existing on several character wasn’t going to be enough to unlock the entire Elite Spec!

Congratz, you just completely proved your own theory by not reading 99% of this thread lol. Wow just wow, open mouth insert foot.

Seera.5916:

Fist off, I want to say that I don’t specifically have a problem with the requirement to fully unlock the elites.

I do have a problem with how ANet’s handled the situation.

1. Timing. 3 days before launch was well past time for this news to be posted. Ok, the exact number of Hero Points needed may not have been nailed down, but surely the “you must unlock all of the core” was nailed down. Or that you’d need more than 214 hero points (max you can have on any character level 80 with 100% map completion in every map and the krait shard) to max out the track.

1a. This is further exacerbated because players had been posting their desires to play elites on day one

2. Location of update. A reply to a post in a thread. Not in it’s own thread (Handful of HoT Notes would have been a good spot). Not in a blog post. But in a thread.

3. Quantity of Hero Points needed. Given the number needed to max out the core specializations, people will have a negative reaction to seeing 400 hero points needed for maxing out the elite spec. And it’s likely their first impression. First impressions are powerful.

4. Lack of posting further details on the issue afterward (or acknowledging that some do have an issue with it). And there’s been plenty of time for the appropriate dev to have been alerted to the problem.

If 3 of the 4 had changed, there likely wouldn’t have been as big of a back lash.

They seem to like shooting themselves in the foot, I’ll give them that.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

sharkswithlazers.7632:

Sorean.5379:

You only need 60 points to play the Specialization,is that too much ?

You need 400. 60 merely unlocks the specialization, not the traits and whatnot.

Not the full 400 to get all the traits and skills. There are cosmetics and runes that will be unlocked also.

This, so we don’t actually know how many to unlock all traits and utilities, which is why I said heralds will have it the worst, they can’t unlock 1 utility and replace the other two with something else.

Do you mean mobbed in general or mobbed with new or returning players ?

I think in general there will be a high volume of people trying to get in, more so then any other given day.

As for new or returning players, I think the numbers some people are expecting are over exaggerated, there will definitely be quite a few but I highly doubt there will be the tidal wave of players inc that many are expecting.

Well some of us are still hoping there is someone reasonable at Anet that is watching these forums. We still have a day here’s hoping they at least lower the cost to something that will be a happy medium for all.

Daddar.5971:

I have been here since before core game launch. I have 17 lv 80 toons. I spend almost all my time in WvW. I know I can earn the elites there, but doing the math leads me to the conclusion that I simply need to find another game. We have been asking forever for hard numbers on hero points needed for unlock. I bought the ultimate edition despite the lack of info because I trusted A-Net to be reasonable. I was wrong.

No offence but what ever gave you the inkling that they were reasonable ? Especially being a WvW player. If you were a PvE player I could sort of understand because they get catered to left and right but WvW ? When have the ever been reasonable with us ?

Step away from the PC.

Meh you’ll miss the bugs and patches, if you’re lucky it will be running smooth by the time you get a chance to play.

Silverbolt.2301:

Pezz.4758:

please dont take this as rage or hate or anything but i gotta vent im a little ….meh.

So i main necro, followed the scrapper hype all through the info releases. After trying it on the beta weekend i was hooked. I had a partially leveled engy, so i finished it, grinded out all his skills, all his exotics, some ascended, crafting , bought skins went HAM.

now i find out, to even play the elite spec, i have to grind ANOTHER at least 170 points.

So doing the math, thats either basically doing map complete now in 3 days to find enough to unlock it. OR waiting till HoT, where they are 10 points each. BUT assuming 5-10 per map like currents maps, i will be half way through HoT open world content BEFORE even being able to use the spec properly.

Like i said im not raging but i cant lie, kinda killed the hype for release when i know its just going to be a grind to even START playing.

“Play how you want” ha, ya right.

Be glad you aren’t fond of, nor playing a Daredevil. If they lack hero points, all they get is a +1 dodge at the start of a fight. At least as Reaper you have FULL access to all your F1 skills. Daredevils have it the WORST of all the espec, from every aspect possible.

I would think that Heralds will have it the worst, they can’t mix and match utilities. So they either have to unlock everything or run around without any utilities, Anet has not stated anything to say otherwise.

Bettik.4982:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Bettik.4982:

PopeUrban.2578:

PvE is absolutely a game mode about characters rather than the person playing them. This isn’t a “roleplaying” standpoint, but a basic fundamental fact of PvE world, encounter, and reward design.

I don’t agree with you here, I’m afraid – all game modes should be about the player – the character is subsidiary – the rewards in a game should be designed around the player account, rather than its transitory characters.

You don’t seem to understand how an RPG works. I’m actually curious what RPG, or MMO works this way because I have never experienced it.

Really? I login to PvE as a Ranger. I earn rewards that contribute to both my character and my account. I go to PvP, I’m now a Druid. I also earn rewards that contribute to both. How is this strange…?

Don’t argue, you’re not entitled to your opinion. It simply isn’t possible that you view things differently.

coglin.1867:

Random.4691:

It’s hard to be hopeful when we have seen what they did with EotM, people were hopeful when they announced EotM and look how it turned out. We can only pray that they learned from that and took some of our advice. By advice I mean the WvW players not the guys that play once a week but were able to test the map because they stream.

The difference is that a few hundred posters, at best, complaining about this in EotM, yet thousands of players jump in and play EotM every week.

This is true but it’s not really WvW, occasionally they do defend and battle but for the most part thousands jump in and play to either level new characters or rake in the Karma. I think there probably aren’t that many that play it for the epic battles ect ect that is WvW. To each their own but they have EotM to use in whatever way floats their boat, it probably wouldn’t be in the games best interest to have 2 EotM type of game play and only EB for traditional WvW.

The rage will be biblical if they change the date now lol. You think the HP thread is full of anger ? That’s nothing in comparison with the anger if they changed the release with less then 1.5 days to go.

It’s hard to be hopeful when we have seen what they did with EotM, people were hopeful when they announced EotM and look how it turned out. We can only pray that they learned from that and took some of our advice. By advice I mean the WvW players not the guys that play once a week but were able to test the map because they stream.

I never understood why they insist on putting mobs in WvW. Players do not come to WvW to farm, and if Anet’s intent is to get people into WvW to farm, they won’t last long because they will be griefed to no end.

PopeUrban.2578:

Bettik.4982:

Morfedel.4165:

I have officially lost interest in this thread. Reading a laundry list of useless ire is accomplishing nothing. Off to other threads. GLHF!!!

hold on a mo – I claim my gold…

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/specializations-part-two-reward-tracks-and-elite-specializations/

“As long as you’ve purchased Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns, you’ll automatically unlock access to all elite specializations in PvP.”

in PvP

And that is totally what is happenning.

Remember that Anet has never referred to WvW as “PvP” and always referred to it as “WvW”

Truth, as unfortunate as it may be, WvW has always been referred to as more like PvE than PvP by the Devs. Whether we agree with their take on it or not is irrelevant.

The Char race does not need armor, just go O natural.

Nausicca.6038:

fireflyry.7023:

I’ve read some pretty valid and well put points from both sides of the fence, no need to derail it with fictional over-exaggeration and belittlement.

People are already over exaggerating with the HP grind.
Actualy, GW2 is the only MMO that allow you to get your BiS gear BEFORE the expac launch.
No level cap increases. No level locking behind instanced dungeons.
Insta lvl 80 revenant with tomes.

The counterpart is… HP. Consider it as the new XP for your elite spec. What’s wrong with that?

Technically BiS would be the legendary gear solely because of the ability to stat swap on the fly makes it marginally better then Ascended because of convenience for any environment that requires different builds such as raids.

Arius.7031:

Caliburn.1845:

Exactly. The NA ladder is more stratified because GW2 has no Oceanic servers and at release had no Asian servers. The players from those regions for the most part played on NA servers, and over time they found themselves moving higher and higher as only a few servers had the off-hours coverage to compete.

Now we’re at a point where outside a guild here and there almost all of the SEA/OCX guilds are clustered in T1-2. If those players spread themselves out, the top four tiers of the NA ladder would be reasonably balanced. But it is not in the interest of the SEA/OCX players to scatter, because there is not enough of them to populate four tiers. And despite the meme that they only want to PVD, that is not true. They want to have people to fight.

But EU has a similar ‘problem’ with NA players lol? They have loads of French Canadians, Mexicans, and even some normal NA players who cover for their off hours much like SEA/OCX do for ours lol.

Just do what the rest of Canada does and pretend the French Canadians don’t exist, that will help with at least part of your problem.

;P

Kal Spiro.9745:

Random.4691:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Random.4691:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Random.4691:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Random.4691:

There is more then enough content (if they get their crap together and release it .. cough raids cough) to keep everyone busy without time gating the Elites. We have Raids, Guild Halls, New Maps (for all modes), Fractals, Legendaries, Adventures, Events, Masteries, and I’m sure I’ve missed a few. I don’t see how time gating the Elites is productive, how does it affect anyone if you do it as a Necro or a Reaper for example. If they wanted to do something for elites they should have done a quest line of some sort.

The bottom line is, it hurts nothing to have elites playable, the rest of the content is still the same regardless of which class/spec you are using. There is simply no need and all this has done is divide the community and ticked off a lot of players. This is suppose to be an exciting time for GW2 and instead they have managed to turn it into a witch hunt.

Elites aren’t time gated. If you can do the content in one day then you can have elites in one day. Time gating means that you cannot physically complete the content in less than a predefined period because you can only earn specific amounts toward it ever x period of time.

The need is, that’s how they wanted to do it. I would have preferred a different system too. Not the one everyone else seems to want, but still different than we got. But this is what we got, and there isn’t actually anything wrong with it, it’s just one way to do it. It isn’t wrong, it’s just one way.

This should be an exciting time, and for most of us it is. But ANet didn’t start a witch hunt. That “privilege” lays soully on the player base who deluded themselves into thinking they could just have anything without putting any effort into it. That has never been ANet’s style.

Actually that is your definition of time gating, imo time gating is anything that requires you to put in an excessive/lengthy amount of time. If you would have read my full post or any of my other posts for that matter you would have noted I’m not asking it to be handed to us with no strings attached. I would be ok with a small story line quest to unlock it, I would be ok with a realistic amount of HP, I’m not ok with either being forced into the jungle for the quickest method which still won’t be quick, I’m not ok with that slap in the face of an option for WvW players that is completely unrealistic.

Once again, just because Anet slapped the word Elite onto it doesn’t make it Elite. They themselves have stated multiple times that it is not meant to over shadow the core specs it is simply an optional addition.

No, that’s what a time gate is. You can make up whatever definition you want for whatever you want, but that doesn’t make it so.

Again that is your definition of time gate, feel free to look it up and see the NUMEROUS different definitions. I’ll help you out, most of it has to do with Electronics or Time/Space. Saying I can make up whatever definition I want is pretty hypocritical.

Always as “Random” as ever. Within the context of game systems there is very definitely a universally accepted form of the term time gating. Ascended gear is a time gate because you can only make one thread of each type a day. Celestial is a time gate because you can only charge one crystal a day. Laurels are time gated. Guild missions are time gated.

You see the gate is an insurmountable barrier. Gear gating is called such because you are physically incapable of completing the content if your gear isn’t good enough. It doesn’t matter what your skill level is. Level gating prevents you from even attempting content if you’re not high enough level.

Elites are gated in that you cannot even start in on them until you’ve completed all of the other lines. But, once you have unlocked them they are no longer gated in any way but your personal ability and willingness to complete content. It’s not a hard lock, though, so it’s not gated. Perhaps you understand now.

There’s nothing to understand, you’re fabricating a definition that suits what you want to hear or bolsters your argument. I’m sorry if you don’t like people to disagree and point out the flaws, but unfortunately your definition is no more valid then mine. I’m not saying you are wrong and I am right (as you seem to be trying to do) I’m saying because there is no hard definition in this case of Time Gate neither one of us are wrong or right, it’s open to interpretation. Just accept that because you decide something means one thing doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the absolute truth.

Perhaps now you can understand ?

You’re failing to understand and just posting gibberish. This isn’t pointing out flaws, it’s blatantly hiding from facts even when they’re explained to you. You don’t understand the term, you refuse to understand the term, and you actively choose to deny it. Fine. But you’re wrong.

You see I could answer you with the exact same comment. Seeing as how you need that ego stroked though I’ll just go ahead and say, sure, you are always right and everyone who does not agree is always wrong. There you go sport, now you can sleep at night.

Jasper Defthand.3018:

I only plan to use this function if it will work with my microsoft xbox 360 controller. Can someone from anet confirm if there will be compatibility? Seems kinda pointless to implement this feature if not.

You can already use controlers with GW2, its a bit of a work around but there was at one point when the game was released a couple videos on how to set it up. Not many bothered because without an action based cam system it was more clunky then useful. That and to be perfectly honest I’m not sure if it breaks any rules, though I don’t see why it would.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Random.4691:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Random.4691:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Random.4691:

There is more then enough content (if they get their crap together and release it .. cough raids cough) to keep everyone busy without time gating the Elites. We have Raids, Guild Halls, New Maps (for all modes), Fractals, Legendaries, Adventures, Events, Masteries, and I’m sure I’ve missed a few. I don’t see how time gating the Elites is productive, how does it affect anyone if you do it as a Necro or a Reaper for example. If they wanted to do something for elites they should have done a quest line of some sort.

The bottom line is, it hurts nothing to have elites playable, the rest of the content is still the same regardless of which class/spec you are using. There is simply no need and all this has done is divide the community and ticked off a lot of players. This is suppose to be an exciting time for GW2 and instead they have managed to turn it into a witch hunt.

Elites aren’t time gated. If you can do the content in one day then you can have elites in one day. Time gating means that you cannot physically complete the content in less than a predefined period because you can only earn specific amounts toward it ever x period of time.

The need is, that’s how they wanted to do it. I would have preferred a different system too. Not the one everyone else seems to want, but still different than we got. But this is what we got, and there isn’t actually anything wrong with it, it’s just one way to do it. It isn’t wrong, it’s just one way.

This should be an exciting time, and for most of us it is. But ANet didn’t start a witch hunt. That “privilege” lays soully on the player base who deluded themselves into thinking they could just have anything without putting any effort into it. That has never been ANet’s style.

Actually that is your definition of time gating, imo time gating is anything that requires you to put in an excessive/lengthy amount of time. If you would have read my full post or any of my other posts for that matter you would have noted I’m not asking it to be handed to us with no strings attached. I would be ok with a small story line quest to unlock it, I would be ok with a realistic amount of HP, I’m not ok with either being forced into the jungle for the quickest method which still won’t be quick, I’m not ok with that slap in the face of an option for WvW players that is completely unrealistic.

Once again, just because Anet slapped the word Elite onto it doesn’t make it Elite. They themselves have stated multiple times that it is not meant to over shadow the core specs it is simply an optional addition.

No, that’s what a time gate is. You can make up whatever definition you want for whatever you want, but that doesn’t make it so.

Again that is your definition of time gate, feel free to look it up and see the NUMEROUS different definitions. I’ll help you out, most of it has to do with Electronics or Time/Space. Saying I can make up whatever definition I want is pretty hypocritical.

Always as “Random” as ever. Within the context of game systems there is very definitely a universally accepted form of the term time gating. Ascended gear is a time gate because you can only make one thread of each type a day. Celestial is a time gate because you can only charge one crystal a day. Laurels are time gated. Guild missions are time gated.

You see the gate is an insurmountable barrier. Gear gating is called such because you are physically incapable of completing the content if your gear isn’t good enough. It doesn’t matter what your skill level is. Level gating prevents you from even attempting content if you’re not high enough level.

Elites are gated in that you cannot even start in on them until you’ve completed all of the other lines. But, once you have unlocked them they are no longer gated in any way but your personal ability and willingness to complete content. It’s not a hard lock, though, so it’s not gated. Perhaps you understand now.

There’s nothing to understand, you’re fabricating a definition that suits what you want to hear or bolsters your argument. I’m sorry if you don’t like people to disagree and point out the flaws, but unfortunately your definition is no more valid then mine. I’m not saying you are wrong and I am right (as you seem to be trying to do) I’m saying because there is no hard definition in this case of Time Gate neither one of us are wrong or right, it’s open to interpretation. Just accept that because you decide something means one thing doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the absolute truth.

Perhaps now you can understand ?

gavyne.6847:

Kal Spiro.9745:

gavyne.6847:

All the arguments have been heard and rehashed for many pages now. He said, she said, I disagree, you disagree, blah blah blah. There are clearly 2 sides of the camp and nobody’s going to change anybody’s minds here. People have their reasons for liking this design, just as people have very good reasons for not liking this design. Time for Anet to step in and comment again in my opinion.

Actually people have reasons for not minding the design, and people have questionable reasons for disliking, and there is no reason for ANet to step in because in two days it will be too late, and in one month everyone will forget all about it just like always happens. Usually because they’ve realized all their complaints were unfounded.

You are clearly in one camp and like I said, you have your opinions and you aren’t changing your opinions no matter how good other people’s reasons are. You see their reasons as “questionable”, ever think they see your reasoning as questionable as well?

Still just back & forth, like politics, so pointless, people thinking their opinions are the best and everybody else is wrong. By now it’s just rehashes of the same things said within the first 5 pages of Colin’s post.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Random.4691:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Random.4691:

There is more then enough content (if they get their crap together and release it .. cough raids cough) to keep everyone busy without time gating the Elites. We have Raids, Guild Halls, New Maps (for all modes), Fractals, Legendaries, Adventures, Events, Masteries, and I’m sure I’ve missed a few. I don’t see how time gating the Elites is productive, how does it affect anyone if you do it as a Necro or a Reaper for example. If they wanted to do something for elites they should have done a quest line of some sort.

The bottom line is, it hurts nothing to have elites playable, the rest of the content is still the same regardless of which class/spec you are using. There is simply no need and all this has done is divide the community and ticked off a lot of players. This is suppose to be an exciting time for GW2 and instead they have managed to turn it into a witch hunt.

Elites aren’t time gated. If you can do the content in one day then you can have elites in one day. Time gating means that you cannot physically complete the content in less than a predefined period because you can only earn specific amounts toward it ever x period of time.

The need is, that’s how they wanted to do it. I would have preferred a different system too. Not the one everyone else seems to want, but still different than we got. But this is what we got, and there isn’t actually anything wrong with it, it’s just one way to do it. It isn’t wrong, it’s just one way.

This should be an exciting time, and for most of us it is. But ANet didn’t start a witch hunt. That “privilege” lays soully on the player base who deluded themselves into thinking they could just have anything without putting any effort into it. That has never been ANet’s style.

Actually that is your definition of time gating, imo time gating is anything that requires you to put in an excessive/lengthy amount of time. If you would have read my full post or any of my other posts for that matter you would have noted I’m not asking it to be handed to us with no strings attached. I would be ok with a small story line quest to unlock it, I would be ok with a realistic amount of HP, I’m not ok with either being forced into the jungle for the quickest method which still won’t be quick, I’m not ok with that slap in the face of an option for WvW players that is completely unrealistic.

Once again, just because Anet slapped the word Elite onto it doesn’t make it Elite. They themselves have stated multiple times that it is not meant to over shadow the core specs it is simply an optional addition.

No, that’s what a time gate is. You can make up whatever definition you want for whatever you want, but that doesn’t make it so.

Again that is your definition of time gate, feel free to look it up and see the NUMEROUS different definitions. I’ll help you out, most of it has to do with Electronics or Time/Space. Saying I can make up whatever definition I want is pretty hypocritical.

The problem is this did not need to happen, they (Anet) are trying to force players to play content, people don’t respond well to force. You can say they gave us options such as WvW ranks but those options are laughable and unrealistic so it only really the illusion of an option.

Stop trying to force us to play the content, most of us will go out and explore the new stuff at our leisure, I don’t see the need to try and ram it down our throats.

As I said in the other post, This is suppose to be an exciting time for GW2, instead Anet has turned it into a witch hunt.

Lucifers Heaven.2167:

Black Box.9312:

This is the exact reason why people were in such outcry when Anet made their original proposal that hero challenges would be required to max out a character, which they then changed because hey, maybe it actually makes more sense to not do that.

Except that, as other people have pointed out, you don’t need to rush those points. Playing through the maps ordinarily will likely get you what you need.
Yes the little number next to your character doesn’t increase, but that’s the point of turning the progression horizontal. From here it’s all about unlocking new options, getting stuff you might want because you want it, not because you need the increase to become more powerful. Horizontal levelling is just a form of progression, so horizontal progression is basically a form of levelling.
You also have to get specific points around the place to be able to progress gliding, you even have to do that in the new maps. Elite specs are basically the same, except that once unlocked you can use them everywhere. Heck, I was half expecting a mastery to be required to unlock the elite specs, at least this way you can unlock masteries and elite specs at the same time.

You don’t need to rush, so what do you care if it is obtained easily ? If you don’t want to rush, don’t. Do you need Anet to hold your hand and tell you to slow down ?

Asura = master race, bow before your Asuran gods, puny mortals.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Menadena.7482:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Should also point out that datamining from a month ago put us at 250 HP for the elite spec, which is more than the currently acquirable 214. Which already refutes Menadena’s statement.

That 250 was a huge part of why many thought the numbers were not to be trusted and were obviously too high.

Too high? Not at all; considering they essentially gutted the whole objective of hero points when they caved and made it so everyone got enough points for the core content just by leveling to 80. This at least gives us reason to go hunt them again, while also ensuring that those that have map completing still have reason to continue to gathering HP in the new zones.

I wouldn’t call that Caving, that was common sense. If a p[layer has spent X time and unlock everything it would be absolutely moronic to take that away and make them redo it. That is a terrible example, taking away progression is a game killer, people hate rollbacks what do you think would happen if they rolled back all your progression ? Only the foolish would remain.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Random.4691:

There is more then enough content (if they get their crap together and release it .. cough raids cough) to keep everyone busy without time gating the Elites. We have Raids, Guild Halls, New Maps (for all modes), Fractals, Legendaries, Adventures, Events, Masteries, and I’m sure I’ve missed a few. I don’t see how time gating the Elites is productive, how does it affect anyone if you do it as a Necro or a Reaper for example. If they wanted to do something for elites they should have done a quest line of some sort.

The bottom line is, it hurts nothing to have elites playable, the rest of the content is still the same regardless of which class/spec you are using. There is simply no need and all this has done is divide the community and ticked off a lot of players. This is suppose to be an exciting time for GW2 and instead they have managed to turn it into a witch hunt.

Elites aren’t time gated. If you can do the content in one day then you can have elites in one day. Time gating means that you cannot physically complete the content in less than a predefined period because you can only earn specific amounts toward it ever x period of time.

The need is, that’s how they wanted to do it. I would have preferred a different system too. Not the one everyone else seems to want, but still different than we got. But this is what we got, and there isn’t actually anything wrong with it, it’s just one way to do it. It isn’t wrong, it’s just one way.

This should be an exciting time, and for most of us it is. But ANet didn’t start a witch hunt. That “privilege” lays soully on the player base who deluded themselves into thinking they could just have anything without putting any effort into it. That has never been ANet’s style.

Actually that is your definition of time gating, imo time gating is anything that requires you to put in an excessive/lengthy amount of time. If you would have read my full post or any of my other posts for that matter you would have noted I’m not asking it to be handed to us with no strings attached. I would be ok with a small story line quest to unlock it, I would be ok with a realistic amount of HP, I’m not ok with either being forced into the jungle for the quickest method which still won’t be quick, I’m not ok with that slap in the face of an option for WvW players that is completely unrealistic.

Once again, just because Anet slapped the word Elite onto it doesn’t make it Elite. They themselves have stated multiple times that it is not meant to over shadow the core specs it is simply an optional addition.