I’ve got three lvl 80 mesmers:
First was an asura mesmer on my alt account that started out as an experiment and ended up as my favourite character. Then I made a human mesmer on my main account because I loved the class, wanted it on my main account and chose human because that was the one race I didn’t have any character of. Finally I made another asura on my main account because I just don’t enjoy playing the human
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I have no intention of deleting the human, since she has full world exploration and personal and dungeon stories (as does the first asura, the 2nd is still on the way), and she’s still my primary dungeon and fractals character (the 2nd asura ended up more of a wvw character), but eventually my 2nd asura will be the one to take over dungeoning since I just enjoy that character so much more.
Even the most expensive pre’s cost less than 50% of a legendary. I don’t really understand why this thread is always shifted to the ‘I want it cheaper’ idea. Cheaper pre would mean cheaper legendary’s and we all now that anet since release never wanted to change that overall legendary price.
I’ll repeat one more time:
If selling the mats (means you went and played the fun part to get those mats, no skipping of the fun part) required to make a legendary earns you enough money to buy the precursor on the TP and then leave you with lots of extra gold, then what’s the point of this new system?
Having fun on the precursor journey?
Believe it or not, there are plenty of people around who enjoy traveling the world with a purpose in mind, collecting and crafting their own stuff, without caring about selling/rebuying for optimized coin gain.
Just like there are people enjoying knitting a sweater, even though they could get an quality industry-knit sweater at a fraction of what you have to pay for decent wool. Just like there are people baking their own bread when they can save all of the time (and depending on the recipe even some of the money) by picking up a similar loaf of bread from the bakery next door.
There’s a reason why I’ve enjoyed crafting my ascended Mawdrey, but still haven’t bothered getting a fractal capacitor, even though I have enough fractal relics and mist essences. Getting Masdrey was fun and took me all over the world. To me, spending my time on a fun scavenger hunt has a much higher value than grinding gold with the sole purpose of maximizing the amount of coin in my wallet. ymmv of course
Yahhh so… anyone that wants to join for raids? We got lots of forum pros and a nub (me).
Probably in the afternoon because we got a cook that has to work in the evenings!
If there’s room for more nubs count me in
people should be able to farm mats if they wish so
Says who? Certainly not ANet. They’ve gone to great length to keep people from farming and instead distributing stuff more evenly among the playerbase. The recent nerf to key-farming is a good example of that, area DR is another.
It’s a fine line they’re walking here. If they offer options to farm specific materials, they’ll have to reduce the amount of those materials naturally dropping among the playerbase, thus limiting the supply for those who do not wish to farm, effectively pushing them stronger towards feeling the need to farm.
The game framework either favors the people who wish to farm or those who don’t. You can’t have both, since increasing supply in one part (either farm spots or natural drop distribution among all game areas) of the game naturally goes with a decreased supply in the other part to create a balance.
The choices ANet has made strongly imply that they favor the “distribute materials naturally” over the “have farming spots with drop chances increased above natural gameplay”. As such, I suspect that in their view people should not be able to farm mats if they wish so, but rather collect them while playing the game just like every other player around them.
Previous games, as well as real life, have conditioned us to almost blindly go for one thing exclusively and disregard everything around it. but that’s not the vision this game was built upon. GW2 is trying to give you a world in which to have fun, and collect shinies on the way. And for me, personally, they’re doing a really good job on that subject.
By the way, if you stop to blindly only look out for T6 mats and lodestones, you might be surprised to find that your journey to build your legendary won’t take a lot longer anyway, since you’ll be playing all kind of fun stuff, picking up all kind of loot that can help you get to your goal if you’re just willing to go through different ways to get there. Collect part of the material, liquidate stuff you don’t need to buy other parts, craft/promote yet other stuff for the rest. You know you can promote t5 mats to t6 just as easily as cores to lodestones, right?
DR is here for a purpose, and it looks like it’s a tool to help material distribution among all players just as much as to combat bots. Deal with it, and go look for alternative (and possibly even more fun ) ways to get to your goal.
The solution, of course, is to always be an asura. Everything they say is brilliant. It’s the closest you’re ever gonna get to being a kitten unicorn
So much this!
Aside from that, I have to admit that I tend to pick up audio clues much more easily than visual ones, so the quotes my characters say on boons and conditions, as well as other noises that go with certain animations, are a vital part of my gameplay. If I have to play without sound for whatever reason I find playing, especially fighting, much more difficult.
That said, both of my asura mesmers (as well as several of my other asura) are wearing the talking golem backpack, which improves the variety of things to hear immensely .
Asura/any class
There’s just no other race that comes even close to asura
Update n4: got a lunaria. WORTH! Most rewarding content in the game!
Hey, my norn ele would kill for such a sparkling little gem ^^ poor girl only gets some handed-down healing power/condi rings usually
But what’s this fixation with rewards around the forums these days? I need this forum to cheer me up during work hours, but at the moment it seems all is doom and gloom, and how rewards are lousy all over the place.
I may be a weird one, but I actually enjoyed the mordrem event (well, the part I was able to do … lots of rl keeping me out of the game atm). It gave me a bunch of new minis, about six levels worth of experience and a good bunch of map exploration on the three maps done on the alt (lvl 34 -> 40) I used for the event, plus a good amount of iron, soft wood, pepper and even the fun of chaotically running around the maps all the time . That sure looks like a reward to me …
I’ve been doing low-level fractals with guildies, took a while (close to an hour for a lvl 10 ), but we spent most of that time goofing around and just having fun, and got a bit of gold, some loot (yellows, possibly an exotic, some mist essences … no ring though, since we didn’t go above lvl 10) for time spent having fun, too. But I gather from the forums that that’s not a reward but rather just “junk”?
Helped out a guildie that was stuck in a lousy TA pug when some of the pugs quit, got some gold and tokens for a couple of minutes and two enjoyable (if chaotic ) fights against Leurent and the nightmare tree with a less-than-perfect group setup (lowest character was lvl 55 ). I guess having fun and getting some gold and tokens on top of that does not count as rewards either?
I did use one of my spare character slots and a lvl 20 scroll (first 3-year-birthday won’t come for another 8 weeks) to create a new charr just to go through the early charr personal story, picking up a bunch of loot bags, a racial and an order skin, a couple of keys (lvl 10+40 stories … “thanks” to real life I won’t find the time to play through stories more often than any other week or so anyway), and see a lot of story I had missed so far (yes, I like to check them all out and see how they’re all connected ). Got a couple of boosters that will come in handy when the expansion hits, low level materials for crafting ascended materials, and more … but probably no reward from what I can read on the forums.
Sorry for my ranting, but I’m just so tired of people getting given stuff left and right and center and only complaining about “no rewards worth the effort”. I guess ANet would have to cut down all the gold, materials, salvaging fodder etc. to 0 and only give out a piece of loot once every 10k kills to make stuff worth it again …
Not intended against anyone particular, it’s just something that’s been bugging me more and more lately. With all the stuff we get in this game, what exactly do people expect when they say “no rewards”?
It’s really hard to argument on this forum
That may be because your arguments seem fundamentally flawed.
The scarlett invasion events were not fine. There was a lot of trouble around people actively working against the event goal to increase their loot chance instead of actually finishing the event, which did lead to some nasty situations. By taking the loot drops out of event mobs they’re trying to get people to focus on the actual events rather than individual drops. Whether they’re successful in their goal or not is another question, but at least to me this seems to be primarily aimed at a part of the old player base that’s more interested in “gaming the system” to increase their gold gain rate than at the new people (who, as far as I’ve seen, are mostly interested in just playing the game as a whole and not nearly as focused on their rewards ratio as certain veterans).
Key runners, again in what I see in game, were mostly veterans, too, and not the ones that occasionally buy gems with cash. I know of people that had a habit of doing at least one key run a day, and sometimes as many as thirty in a week or two. They’re the ones that have their banks full of black lion weapon skins and make good gold trading those on the trading post. The new people that I’ve met are again too busy playing the game as a whole to even think about keyfarming.
To me it seems like those limits you are complaining about are aimed at the veteran player base first and most, so making them excempt from the restrictions would kind of defeat the purpose. On the other hand, f2p accounts already are severely restricted, I don’t think it’s in ANet’s interest to make them feel really 2nd rate by making it harder for them to even get drops. After all, they don’t have as much advantage from the drops anyway, since they can’t trade it, and by the time they upgrade they’re as much a paying customer as you and me and entitled to all their riches.
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The problem is I don’t have 9 friends…
I can always bring along 8 of mine …
- quickly goes into hiding *
Now you’re just showing off.
You wouldn’t be saying that if you knew my friends … they put the most stereotypical special-snowflake phiws to shame .
Has anyone else noticed this before? I tried it one day for a laugh just running though the maps on a low new char and I can tell you, the further in you get the mobs TRULY do chase you from half a map away. It’s like they can smell weakness :P
Lol. Yep. I was running my lower level warrior through mid level maps to grab waypoints. Not only do things hate you, they really really hate you. After I was chased down and oneshot by an elemental, I decided to leave that map for later.
We once took a trio of lvl 20 Asura from Hoelbrack all the way south through Dredgehaunt, Timberline and Mt. Maelstrom to Fort Trinity. Granted, we had a favourable party composition (guard, thief, ele) and all of us knew all three classes well, but it still was pretty challenging getting down there in one piece.
We had originally intended to try and go on to Cursed Shore, but after several tries we just couldn’t make it from Fort Trinity to the Rally point. Maybe it’s time to dust of that idea, create a bunch of new twinks and try again?
Have you tried just playing the game for fun? Just find the content that is fun for you (I know, novel concept for a game, right? ) and play that as long as you enjoy it, then find something else you enjoy.
Funnily, I’ve played this game that way for close to three years, and whenever I check my account bank and wallet, I find stuff keeps piling up without me noticing. In fact I do have several stacks of ectos and t6 materials in my material bank that came exclusively from playing for fun. So in addition to having fun in my play-time, I can go and craft/buy/trade for something nice every now and then, too.
Karma exchange system use demand and supply
in Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns
Posted by: Rasimir.6239
One of the ideas of map-specific currency is to get people to play that specific part of content, e.g. play the Silverwastes to gather bandid crests. Making those exchangeable for karma would just lead to the same problem we already have with gold: instead of playing different content for different currencies, a sizeable number of people would end up grinding karma in whatever content is presumed to give the best karma:time ratio at that time, leading to all of the secondary effects we already see with gold farming these days. Somehow I don’t think that’s ANet’s vision of this game .
Depends entirely on the group you’re with
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I did my first 100% completion back in 2013, and I don’t remember getting anything other than the two gifts of exploration back then either. Maybe you’ve mistakenly mixed it with the map rewards you got for your last completed map? Map rewards can hold some nice surprises, especially with the high-level map that give two exotic equipment pieces and some t6 base materials.
These days, I have about a dozend gifts of exploration scattered across two accounts, and most likely won’t use them anytime soon, since I can’t be bothered to farm the gold and materials needed for a legendary. I tend to spend my gold on gems to get more outfits and minis from the store instead .
On the other hand, some of my friends do enjoy making legendary weapons, and have several each. They spend a considerable amount of their gametime doing map-completion not because they enjoy it (like I do), but to get more gifts of exploration. They do have all the gold and other materials already since their prefered game types give more of them than exploration does.
Personally, I think map exploration is in a good place reward-wise. It does give a good many rewards if you look at all the map-completion rewards you gather on the way, and the final reward is special enough to be of use to people looking for some “work-intensive” rewards, but not general enough to make many people feel like they’re forced to 100% explore on several characters.
Btw, you do get a chance at semi-special skins through map-exploration, since there’s a good chance of getting the region specific weapon skins from the higher level maps that give rare or even exotic equipment for full exploration. I know I was thrilled when my 2nd mesmer to fully explore got two etched exotics from the Frostgorge Sound completion chest, since both of those skins hadn’t found their way into my wardrobe at that point .
Its pretty simple. You dont need to be told how to play suboptimally and safe. Thats easy. However people misinterpret the advice given on optimal play as the only method. Then again if people are stupid enough to misinterpret it like that then they deserve to stew in their own ignorance.
And the content is so easy right now there really is no point on wasting effort encouraging safety.
Actually quite a few people do need some hints to find the kind of set-up (both equipment and party wise) that’s most comfortable to them. Many players these days, especially those new or not very experienced in dungeons, are simply told “berserker or gtfo”. You pretty much have to re-invent the wheel yourself to figure out what works with what dungeon and what group if you want to go “against” the meta.
It’s easy enough to see once you’ve moderately mastered the “berserker way”, understand the class and encounter mechanics and such, but without that knowledge, it’s actually fairly difficult to figure out class and equipment compositions and how to deal with many bosses when “icebow 5 and burn” isn’t an option.
I was dungeoning with my guildies the other day. All but one party member beyond the age of 40, all of them with more achievement points than I have (and I had just passed 17k on my main account), none but me in full zerker/assassin (actually even I played part of it in my wvw rabid gear … because they’d been making fun of my mesmer tripping over the long skirt of her zerker armor ).
We went into CM at a relaxed pace, “skipping” most of the skips in favor of full-clearing (except for the large center room) both p3 and p1 because some of our party members weren’t comfortable with skipping (especially since we only had mesmer stealth) but going ahead at a steady pace, without danger of wiping anywhere. It was a relaxed evening, we had fun on TS, and I only realized how long we’d been in there when Gab asked “you’ve been in there all that time with a full group for two paths???” .
Yet there’s still days when some of those guildies, with other group compositions, wipe continuously on some of the current GW2 dungeons they’ve been running for almost three years. Not because they’re bad, but simply because they’re “different”. Many of them are at an age where reflexes slow down and praticing seemingly simple things like dodging certain telegraphed attacks is a lot harder. Couple that with the fact that none of them run dungeons daily, most only run a few paths a week if any, and you get people who are just not cut out for meta dungeoning, but they’re pretty much on their own trying to figure out how to deal with the dungeons since they lack the knowledge most of you dungeon experts have, and it’s hard often hard to find fight explanations beyond “icebow 5 -> burn”.
I’m pretty confident in my own dungeon abilities and knowledge by now, mostly thanks to all the people on this forum who have given advice and shared experiences in here as well as taken me along to let me learn and practice in game, and I’ve been able to share quite a few bits with my guildies, too, but “meta experts” and “non-meta casuals” don’t always mix, and often it really does come down to re-inventing the wheel themselves if they want to dungeon in non-meta ways.
Maybe people really don’t “need to be told”, but a bit of advice on how to tackle content differently sure wouldn’t hurt. Plus maybe, just maybe, it would shut up idiots that come into groups starting off not with “hello” but with “why’s there a mesmer here? we don’t need a mesmer” in a simple, casual SE p1 … (yes, I’m still sore about that idiot ).
Top end teams in my old games didn’t do that though. Your Healers DPS, your tanks DPS and they even make sacrifices to their role to do more damage. Not only is it more effective, but it’s also more fun and breaks up the monotony of the tank n spank system. We used to have tanks and healers wearing DPS gear because we knew we could cover the base requirements and it made it more fun.
I still remember the fun I had on my LotRO warden. As a medium armor tank, she had a good variety of active protection and (self and party) healing abilities available through skill combinations. I’d take her into max-level dungeons with dps equipment and a full party of melee dps players (champions) and just tank+heal the whole thing myself.
It was one of those classes that not many people grasped all the intricacies and utilized to the max, but if you did, you could do pretty much anything with it. It was probably the most fun I’ve ever had with an mmo character. Unfortunately, they eventually went and butchered the class by changing the skill/trait system so you could no longer combine tanking, healing and damage dealing but had to trait for one or the other exclusively
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If that’s what the new gw2 dungeons would’ve looked like, I’m almost (almost!) glad they stopped. I want to FIGHT stuff, not jump over platforms and lure mobs to pressure plates and all that bullkitten.
There was a raid boss in LotRO that would periodically flood the whole boss room with acid that did massive damage to everyone not moving and jumping around at the same time, so the whole raid (12 players) would jump around like a bunch of gummy bears every few minutes. Most new players would die a couple of times in the beginning just from laughing so hard that they were unable to coordinate the jump+move thingy correctly . That encounter was utterly ridiculous.
Of course, beating the boss eventually came down to being able to burn it before it spawned the first acid wave … so much for “trinity games require so much more than just damage” …