Guild Wars 2

GW2 is not a grind game, it will never be, and it does not need to be.

The whole success of the game is based on the fact we finally got a MMO where you don’t have to grind – should they put any treadmill in the game would die in a minute.
It will never happen.

If you read around, all other MMO forums have people praising the way Anet splits PVE/PVP skills.
Because those games are stuck with PvP nerfs that ruin PvE and PvE buffs that ruin PvP.
Pretty sure I don’t need to name you what’s the game that had this gigantic issue to the most ridiculous level for almost a decade now.

Anet is being surprisingly fast at their job.
Other MMOs had many classes still pidgeon-holed into the only viable build due to bugs etc until 6 months at least, we’re nearing a good place in GW2 after 2 months (if you read dev posts, Ranger/Necro are being fixed soon, Ranger fix alone is expected next patch).

They had a more buggy product than most MMOs I’ve played, but got the game to a stable situation pretty fast.
I expect we can lay back on bugs and viability by January at this rate.

I too feel changes are very good, as usual Anet is great at balancing.

Things left to fix in the long run:

1) Flanking Strike is still sadly useless against moving targets, and therefore not viable in any PvP or mobile PvE.
2) Stealth bugs.
a) Character does not go invisible when in stealth.
b) Channeled skills continue “homing” to character after stealth for their full duration.
3) P/P could use some love. It’s a bit on the weak side for a 900 range weapon.

When those are fixed the Thief seems pretty final to me.
I’m in no hurry tho, I hear other classes are more buggy so they have the priority.

You burst people much better with Thief.
You survive and support much better with Guardian.
You AoE much better with Ele/Engi.
You DPS ranged DPS much better with Ranger/Engi.
You control much better with Mesmer.
You deal conditions much better with Thief/Ele/Necro.

Warrior is a 7/10 in all roles he fully specs into, but outclassed in every single one of those roles by 10/10 classes.
Let alone the fact his good skills are also the easiest in the game to avoid or counter.

It’s not bad, it’s simply inferior to others.

Guys, GW2 has 0% chance to get gear-progression based.
Zero percent. None. Void. Null. Non-existent.
It will never happen.
People actually play it for this very reason, they are here because they are tired to run on treadmills.
If you don’t like this at all and want to outgear people you can’t outskill, GW2 is the wrongest game ever for you.

Disagreed completely on the assassin part.
Not only D/D plays exactly as I’d expect it an Assassin to play, but just look at my armor below.
It doesn’t really get more assassin than this.

And you can play it pirate-style with S/P, you can play it adventurer-style with D/P, pistoleer style with P/P, green arrow style with SB, duelist style with S/D, ninja style with DB, thief style with full steal build…
7 archetypes in one class? Yes, thank you. Much better than being locked into assassin for all my life.

No one knows? :/

Forceful Shot: This skill’s damage has been increased by about 70%, and its activation time has been increased.

What the hell is forceful shot?

I never used AS anyways.
If you think this makes D/D bad you’re far from reality sorry.

“Forceful Shot: This skill’s damage has been increased by about 70%, and its activation time has been increased.”

Been a while since I played my Warrior but I don’t recall such a skill name…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Update-Notes-October-22-2012

You could get Abyss on your first unids like my gf, or get… broke, like me.

I loved the communism analogy.

So every single sport in the world is communist because every athlete uses the same gear.

1g.
Had 20 earlier but bought gear for my Thief.

On the bright side, I look like Ezio Auditore now.

SirRicktus.2651:

Is there any? I just started playing but it seems you can do anything you want from the start. I maybe overlooking something but what’s the motivation to level?

There is no motivation to level beside getting traits/skills.
There does not need to be one, actually.
What you do in the world from 1 to 80 is having fun with the hundreds of events and hearts around, explore Tyria, enjoy yourself.

Guild Wars 2 is like fine wine; unlike the boxed wine swill you’re used to getting from other MMO’s, where the only option is to chug it just to get past the horrible taste, you enjoy every tip slowly over time.

At this point I believe the majority understands this.
After two months it was about time.

This phenomenon of people requesting “endgame” grinds was kind of sad tho, goes to prove how much traditional MMO ruined their gamers.

DE scaling.

I actually don’t have any other request other than this and “water mobs going invulnerable” thing.

I completely agree OP.

With my guild we rolled much larger armies by using tactics and coordination.
For instance I was sent with 20 men to setup 1 treb camp to tear down a keep’s wall.
I had my men build carts on a cliff near the entrance, along with a couple Eles, had my guardians use terrain control and timed reflections, got 25 might to all team through combo fields.
We got MASSIVE zergs of people trying to get into the camp and getting rolled every time.

WvW gives great value to battle strategy and tactics, this feature alone is worth the game.

Jack, you forgot the awesome quest where you carry crabs to the crab haven to protect them from skales, I still have a pic

This has been posted a lot, hope to hear from Anet.
It’s not even about tagging, my issue is the complete lack of challenge when too many people. :/

I cannot seem to be able to target all people inside a bot “furball” (shown in the video)

Perhaps we could use a GTAoE bot report skill, or is there any way to target them?

I would too like to have this since I have an high-end rig, but right now the priority is a bug-free game and tweaking a lot of the content.
This is not a real need, this is more of a bonus (which would not be enjoyable by everyone btw, not all people have monster computers).

They are fixing the FoV issue soon tho, so you should see a large improvement.

Forced grouping is terrible design.

Most groups want to plow through content, what if you want to stop by a NPC to listen to him or go on that hill to take a screenshot?
The team will just force you to follow them or kick you.
In dungeons I had people ask me to skip cinematics, which says a lot of what would happen if there was forced grouping.

I also don’t like to be forced to do anything honestly.

I want fishing. Seriously.

I’m terribly jealous of those fishermen in Queensdale.

Naoko.7096:

WvWvW isn’t about skills. It’s more about numbers and bandwagoning.

Then why a coordinated guild using proper tactics and combos can wipe an entire server off that counts 10 times their numbers?
With “numbers and bandwagoning” all you achieve is feeding us badges – with that mentality you can only win against servers of disorganized baddies.

1. I see no reason for a server forum. Even in the most played MMOs they are dead after a few weeks.
2. Good point, I’d like to have avatars too.
3. I don’t see the need of seeing enemy names in WvW. They are enemies, you kill them, you don’t need to know who they are or anything.
This is good because this way I don’t get hate PMs from people I kill.
4. I have no problem with the community, I have a thousand active players from my guilds.
You’re supposed to use guilds as community hubs to get to know and pick players from.

GW2 is no less no more community-catering than other MMOs, it just does it differently.
Please realize that GW2 is either adapt to the new or go back to the old, it’s never going to clone other games’ systems.
If it was going to, it would lose the large majority of its community (which is the one playing the game, not the one continuously asking to turn this game into a generic MMO in these forums).

Dodge, stability, stunbreak.
They are there for this reason, use them.

zaxziakohl.5243:

PvP is supposed to be about skill. If you don’t want to compete because you can’t get better gear than others, then you never wanted to actually pvp anyway. You just wanted to pwn faces because you either spent more money or had more time than people with jobs/families etc…

This.

Honestly this thread is proof of why people want gear treadmills, they want to pwn undergeared people and feel strong while they would get rolled on fair grounds.
“I’m so the best boxer in the world when I use my revolver on the ring”.

Goes to prove why a game like GW2 was so much needed.

It’s ok for CnD to have little range; in the end you’re going through them for backstab anyways so who cares.
By the time CnD goes off you should be inside them or already behind them with a big smile on your face.

AvivKing.5863:

dont do dungeon on lvl 30 + !! its pointless !
when u get max lvl start do dungeons for gear + weapon , till then they usless for u

I did AC at lvl 29 on my Thief, no issues.

It’s not about level really, OP is just a traditional MMO player who didn’t yet understand dungeons in GW2 are nowhere near the ezmode joke of other MMOs and actually require skill/active brain.

coglin.1496:

And what do you say to all the posters who figured out its nuances and declare it not to be difficult?

We are all wizards of course!

Dungeonmancers of the worst sort, no wait, Hackermentalists.

Ohhhhh! Nice teeth!

They have a team for each thing; they can’t have graphics designers or community manager fix code bugs.

Not sure what’s up with this “I want everything perfect and I want it now” generation.
These people seem to have grown with their parents giving them everything on demand and believe world works like that too.
Bad news, the world of business is a ship that sails by trial and error, and will get to destination once the wind allows it.

Yall be getting a lot of delusion with this mentality, just lay back and let people do their job.

Curious, my gf steamrolls people in WvW with S/P condition build.

You’re playing the ele like a wow mage, aka “OLOL I hit randum butonz n stoof goes liek boom! hohoho im such a pr0 MMO player ololol”.
If you wanted ezmode you should have rolled a ranger not an ele.

GW2 just showed you how bad you really are at games that require skill rather than gear.
You can either l2p and become an actually good PvPer or sit with the complaining crowd and blame it on the class, make your choice and queue up.

@Sam
I believe you’re going to run in the same issue on any MMO.
In WoW, which is supposedly the most played MMO, I wasn’t able to find anyone during mornings (too bad because back then I has a lot of free mornings).
Beween 3am and 10am I barely ever seen 1-2 players in each map.
If you do the math, GW2 has currently 8k+ constant people per server, on 52 servers.
That sums up to 2mil total players, or 500k cuncurrent players.
Considering to join a Guild might be a good idea, since Anet made multi-guilding with the very purpose of having many social hubs to pick players from.
I’m sorry you failed to realize this feature thus far, but I believe it will be easy for you to find 3-4 guilds to join.

Btw it’s curious you did not mention your class, level, what events you were doing, etc.
It doesn’t seems like you’re looking for advice, it sounds a lot like “I already made my mind up and don’t want to hear anything beside other one-sided complaints, I will never consider I’m doing something wrong”.
I lvl’d 3 chars to 80 completely solo and didn’t have any issue; perhaps consider you might be in need of help?
You know, Thief is a disaster to level by raw damage, but swap to conditions and you steamroll through 10 mobs.

As a general rule for life and games alike, the more you’re willing to learn the wiser you get.
The more you make your mind up the more ignorant you’ll be.
Pick whatever philosophy sounds better to you

Been suggesting this for a month, hope it’s on their radar.
Events just become faceroll beyond 4-5 players, it’s a needed fix but perhaps the current priorities are others.
I’d really like to hear if Anet is aware of this and they are planning a fix.

11 is the answer.

Skritt 1- “What what what? WHAAAAAAAAAAAT!”
Skritt 2- “Shinieeeeeees!”
Skritt 3- “Need change lightbulb! More skritts think better! Come here!”
Skritt 4- “Lightbulb? Shinieeeeeeee!”
Skritt 5- “I got ladder, need help!”
Skritt 6-7- <helping with ladder>
Skritt 8- <stealing lightbulb from Asuras>
Skritt 9- <bringing lightbulb to the ladder>
Skritt 10- “I’m Skritt Commander, supervision this! Why me called this? I dunno it sounded cool!”
Skritt 11- <changes lightbulb>

If you post your build and your gear setup I can help you.

Conncept.7638:

This is the largely the result of an endless stream of currency, people will blame gold-sellers, but they are only a small part of the problem. The largest inflation in real life is caused by the government printing too much money. Money only has value so long as there is a limited supply.

GW2, like all MMOs, creates money out of thin air each time a quest is completed, a mob is killed, or an event is completed. Much like the US government has been doing for years over-printing US currency.

The more money you create, the less each individual unit of money is worth. The less money is worth the more merchants, traders, and businessmen want for their goods and services. The only way to break the cycle is to stop making money, the only way to reduce the inflation is to destroy currency.

You forgot one important thing.
When one buys anything from merchant, that money is completely gone.
When one repairs or uses a waypoint, that money is completely gone.
GW2 might be creating thousands of gold daily but it also deletes thousands of gold.
One people repairing is 10s, but 100k people repairing is 1mil silver = 10k gold gone completely.
Let alone AH fees.

Ranger.

Heart?
Hit 1. Pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew.
DE?
Hit 1. Pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew.
Dungeon?
Hit 1. Pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew.
PvP?
Hit 1. Pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew.

That’s how I see it.

Two HS spamming people against each other?
They would HS at the same time and enter inside of each other, fusing bodies and forming the Super Thief, a permastealthed champion with dual backstabs and 1500 range leap heartseekers.

DPS is part of support.
Killing stuff before it can wipe the team is support.
It’s not being selfish, one just decided a role for self.
I want to be the guy gibbing stuff before they can cause problems. Am I not free to do so?

I’m tired of seeing Wammo-style Warriors with no damage “but hey I’m healing you for 1 mob hit every 20s”.
I’m tired of seeing full tanks or full supports trying (and failing) to apply the trinity to GW2.

Everyone needs to do everything: DPS, support and tank.

Naoko, is that trolling?
Traditional MMO players are afraid to face people on even grounds and therefore play games where they can get unfair advantages over more skilled people by grinding.
It’s like giving robotic gloves to a boxer because he sat in the gym 20 hours a day throwing a jab at the sack.

Traditional MMOs are theme parks for baddies to outgear people and feel like they are good, even though they are just given statistical advantage.
Those people are dead scared of anything on fair grounds and skill-based.
The OP proved this point strongly by claiming he wants to get PvP advantages by grinding.

GW2 will never allow such a cheap and unfair system – everyone is on the same ground and the best will survive.
Baddies better run back to WoW to kill undergeared people and feel like they are good.

Your post is yelling Panda from all sides, I don’t want to see that in my GW2.
Panda is panda, GW2 is GW2. Let’s keep them as far as possible.

I’ll add that we’re still lacking important infos in the hero sheet.

How much damage reduction does my character have in total?
How much bonus damage am I getting from power?
What’s my DPS?
How much is my life steal/life per hit?
What do my attacks have a chance to trigger? (i.e. 20% chance to get fury, 10% chance to get haste)

Etc etc.

I’d really love to have all info packed there like Diablo.

greg.3792:

Nobody LIKES grind, but we do it because it gives us the edge in PvP

This sentence sums up the real reason people wants raids & co.
They want to outgear people they can’t outskill.

I’m so happy that this will never happen in GW2.

I dislike these “demand” threads.
They said it’s in the works, they never promised it as a release feature of anything.
You cannot demand an ETA on something that wasn’t said to be in.

I run a 3.4ghz quad OC 4.0 with 670GTX and I don’t recall going below 50 FPS in any situation including WvW.
Ever considered it might be an issue of yours? Try using the beta drivers.
I use the 3.6 I think, been getting smooth gameplay since them (it was somewhat choppy before).

How about Endure Pain, Signet of Stone, Arcane Shield, Aegis, Decoy, Protection etc?
Let alone dodge and the 25% health panic buttons from traits.
A thief can’t go through those anti burst CDs, the 25% CDs and dodging so easily.

I suspect people are just demanding that they should not pay attention to the game and still not be spiked.

Soulbinding is a good mechanic as it avoids deflation of items.
It creates more demand and doesn’t allow reselling or sharing with alts.