Guild Wars 2

tigirius.9014:

lordkrall.7241:

Because someone that is actually good have no need to shout about being good?
A good player don’t need to get confirmation from other people to know that they are good.
And people shouting about being good in chat simply looks like kittenholes.

That’s what I’m seeing.. It’s not that you play good, it’s that you are telling everyone about it. That’s egotistical and elitist and that’s what people have a problem with, you tooting your own horn.

true true i just think the OP has had difficulty getting his words across, no one should ever be able to judge themselves in WvW as they dont know what others think,

i honestly though i was an average pvp’er until i started getting comments complimenting me on how fast i was, it made me smile tbh but i didnt then go around shouting it at people, but it did make me aware that i had been acknowledged as a good player and oh boy did my officers in the guild hear about it xD

Stone.6751:

This has not been my experience at all. When we play in WvW we regularly take notice of skilled players and people often look at them with envy.

I suppose it would depend on how you approached the conversation, and it could be easy to wade into an egotistical or condescending tone when talking about how awesome you are.

agreed, i never boast to people i havnt played with before as i dont know how they will react, however all in my guild are subject xD unless theyre new then i help them and introduce them to the others.

i dont think anyone is understanding the OP’s point,
he is referring to the skill that you compare with fellow challenge seekers, healthy competition likewise,
i do the same thing, if im friendly with someone and ive skyped them before ill teae them about something they dont have, its what makes you want to get unique items, it all links,
He is NOT refferring to going up to new players and laughing in theyre facing because they are still coming to terms with the game.
Read before commenting or you just look ignorant

lordkrall.7241:

RedCobra.7693:

dude youve just had a thread closed for saying I QUIT because you were better than everyone else in pvp,

so sorry to everyone else if im coming across rude as im normally not but you can take your kitten comment and kitten kitten kitten

I would actually suggest checking that thread again.
I didn’t create that thread and I said more or less the same thing in that thread as I said here.

OMG im soooo sorry it was lord erik not you
now who looks like an idiot xD

Korrigan.4837:

People who brag they are “skilled” are most of the times not only not the most skilled at all, but also often just annoying and also arrogant, and therefore not pleasant people to play with.

And discrimination? It’s usually the ones who think they are better than everyone else who discriminate the “lesser players”, and not the opposite.

“Any man who must say ‘I am the king’ is no true king.”
- Tywin Lannister, Game of Thrones.

although this post raged me a little, i say you said majority :P
take note that i like to show off to my friends to instill compettion and i like it vice versa aswell

lordkrall.7241:

Because someone that is actually good have no need to shout about being good?
A good player don’t need to get confirmation from other people to know that they are good.
And people shouting about being good in chat simply looks like kittenholes.

dude youve just had a thread closed for saying I QUIT because you were better than everyone else in pvp,

so sorry to everyone else if im coming across rude as im normally not but you can take your kitten comment and kitten kitten kitten

Zelyhn.8069:

More and more I am experiencing this habit that the community has to despise people who claim to be skilled for this game.

Try it: go to LA, and say that you are a good player.

People will instantly tell you that you lack humility, that you are an elitist, that you are despicable etc; for no reason.

People do not want to see or be aware of the fact that some players can be more skilled than them (no boasting, just statement of skill). The community seem to believe that they would be better off without such players.
It appears as if the community would like to stay bad and play only with bad people.

It is also the same on the forums.

I believe this is not benefiting the game in itself because it promotes stale and boring gameplay additions rather than diverse and challenging content.

As a comparison: when you play football as an amateur you play it for fun and you dream of being as skilled as the players of international level. In GW2 the ’amateurs" have no such dreams, worse: they do not want to face the fact that being better is possible.

With all due respect, why the discrimination?

you have just summed up the entirety of several of my other posts xD
ive tried to get my point across but youve done it in ten times the less writing,
Im aguild leader and help out as many people in my guild as i can so please dont just shout elitist!! i need more challenging content in this game, it doesnt have to be required just as long as i can show off, i like seeing other people show off with items they have achieved i dont think of it as a one way thing like most people do, i like seeing people with things that i cant get,

This will make me go crazy and work extremely hard to et it and when i do i will show off like they did, this is a gap in gw2 and these players are the ones that have been left in the dark i know that the game was set at the start to be casual but surely they can cater even a small bit of the game to challenge seekers,
btw im not solo’ing lupi xD

nowitsawn.1276:

People tend to refer to them as ’’elitists’’ here. How do you deal with them? You don’t. Simple as that. Just avoid them by playing with people you know whenever you can.

Unless you have friends that are online at the exact same times as you and always want to do the same things as you, though, you’ll probably get into the PUG scene sooner or later.

Luckily, from my experiences, they’re not nearly as much of an issue as people on here make them out to be (usually because they’re mad that they were kicked one time out of the hundreds of groups they’ve been in). If you make a bad draw, just leave and try again.

please dont refer to them as elitists 99% of the time theyre doing it like that because theyre lazy, im an elitist and i still help lower levels and do the dungeon with whatever classes but on the contrary im a guild leader so i rarely do pug groups

Lord Erik.6903:

Zelyhn.8069:

Yes this guy is better and anyone complaining about the fact that he is saying so are so bad players who dislike feeling like they are bad players. I am not making a judgement of value here, just gameplay skill.

Yes, bad players in this game are so overwhelmingly numerous and catered for, that good players are having a bad time, just because they are good.

Praise this mentality!

You don’t seem to play this game much. You prolly don’t know what it’s like to carry a team do you? Or have to be the first to run in EVERY time, because your team wants a meat shield; not so they can dps, but to see how long they can last.

ive got no issue with elitism, whats wrong with having pride if youre good at something but if its 2 out of 14 matches you win then you are either extremely unlucky or its something your doing, why dont you put together a team?

Lord Erik.6903:

I said “I’m tired of being the best player on the LOSING team.”

its random what side the “bad players” get put on, so the only common occurence i can think of that is making your team loose is you xD,
btw who uses rifle in pvp lol youre making your team lose

marnick.4305:

RedCobra.7693:

marnick.4305:

RedCobra.7693:

marnick.4305:

I always wonder how people think the worst possible solution would be a “perfect” fix.

Please elaborate on how it would be the worst possible situation, if you dont read my comments first then reply with a constructive response then i am going to assume you have nothing intelligent to say and dismiss any comment.

It’s not a fix because it doesn’t fix anything and it isn’t perfect because it would just move the problem to the more populous server. In the end, WvW would become 5v5v5 on huge maps. We already have sPVP for that.

If your server is bad, you shouldn’t punish a good server for that by increasing queue times to unbearable levels.

i see your concern but it wont effect with higher population servers, only a few peopl would be dissallowed, like i said, you still havnt explained HOW it would effect everyone else apart from arborstone or blacktide, give specifics when trying to make a counter argument

There isn’t an argument to counter since you’re wrong. Therefor it’s very difficult to give specifics.
If it doesn’t affect servers, it doesn’t work. If it affects servers, it primarily affects the good servers which isn’t allowed in a competitive game mode. Furthermore it’s a very crude fix to the wrong problem.

What’s your argument really because you make no case at all.

its to remove the premise of “You have more people than us”, i still dont think you understand the situation, im simply all for being able to say “we beat you due to 100% skill”

now if you tell me that this is true and can be said for EVERY single win that takes place then you are a liar, its about equality not “it works for some so whats the problem”.

also FYI if you call someone wrong then you are countering their opinion.

oh and here is my point i made earlier which you have missed to read

“Please dont hate, if youre not one of the lower servers then you simply wont understand, it is Unfair to have different populated teams in WvW and takes away the aspect of using skill, if the servers were even then all that would be left would be skill and that would truly be interesting, besides they wont be barred they will have to queue, take away the lions arch teleport and crafting stations to stop people using wvw as a pitstop and were sorted”

im going to destroy your post with one sentence xD

Developers dont push for this, they are against it, its the publisher (NcSoft) that forces them to.

zengara.8301:

No offence, I was less than a week ago in FoW, switched because of the low population “not only WvW also pve”.
I dont like going offensive in a forum or games at all, but this thread is to childish.
I can somehow see that this maybe could be good, but your again cutting of alot of players from WvW which in the first place wasnt their foult they got up against a such low populated server as FoW or vabbi.
Yeah, the WvW needs a better system, but to even thumb this up, is a discrace. Think a way to get a better WvW system for everyone because this is only “perfect sytem”
for vabbi and FoW, which prob doesnt even hit the same amount of players in blacktide or RoS, so not in gaming or in business is this in anyway a perfect system…..

do you even know the population of the other servers, no you don’t so please don’t just throw random arguments around, i said the SITUATION NEEDS TO BE REGULATED FIRST, needed to capitalise that as you clearly have difficulty reading, stop pulling the straw-man argument.

marnick.4305:

RedCobra.7693:

marnick.4305:

I always wonder how people think the worst possible solution would be a “perfect” fix.

Please elaborate on how it would be the worst possible situation, if you dont read my comments first then reply with a constructive response then i am going to assume you have nothing intelligent to say and dismiss any comment.

It’s not a fix because it doesn’t fix anything and it isn’t perfect because it would just move the problem to the more populous server. In the end, WvW would become 5v5v5 on huge maps. We already have sPVP for that.

If your server is bad, you shouldn’t punish a good server for that by increasing queue times to unbearable levels.

i see your concern but it wont effect with higher population servers, only a few peopl would be dissallowed, like i said, you still havnt explained HOW it would effect everyone else apart from arborstone or blacktide, give specifics when trying to make a counter argument

marnick.4305:

I always wonder how people think the worst possible solution would be a “perfect” fix.

Please elaborate on how it would be the worst possible situation, if you dont read my comments first then reply with a constructive response then i am going to assume you have nothing intelligent to say and dismiss any comment.

Madjon.2657:

I think his point is that if it was made fair ( by his idea) -then the population would grow on all servers because the current low pop is that way because they keep getting blasted by the large pop and so hence the low pop continues.

Youre probably the first person to understand this, im just bad at getting my words across :P

Albeit the population on the low servers (vabbi, fissure of woe etc) need to be regulated before hand, after this the server population would balance, i hear day after day of people leaving fow just because of the server population being too low, ironic i know :P

every other server currently would not really be effected my being unbalanced with this implemented, the only 1 server that would suffer for a short while would be the server facing vabbi and fow, which is either arborstone or blacktide, im sure theyd make the sacrafice for 1 or 2 months xD

Coopziana.1802:

Being from the ROF server… No, you wouldn’t beat us!

Further to your suggestion, you mean to penalise a more populated server due to your low population and therefore block people from entering WvW. I can already see all the complaint posts on the forums for that one.

I suggest you focus your efforts on suggesting that low population servers get merged!

???? quit trolling, i said that the population issues need to be worked on first, how is it punishing? if i was on a higher populated server id hate getting the free ride. and btw, fow is so used to being outnumbered we have to do extreme tactics just to get by o id think again

Jedi Master Pyro.8716:

This has been suggested before an Arena Net said they will never do anything like this. It punishes the other two servers. I’m on Yak’s Bend and Kaining is a mostly asian server. So during the day Yak’s Bend and the other server are very active while Kaining barely plays until late at night due to time zones. This would allow VERY FEW people to play during our peak ours and it will not let Kaining to play during their peak hours. Simply put the player caps will small and will further ruin WvW even more.

yes i thought of this and it got me in a muddle however there is no alternative that will make it fair

Healix.5819:

Some sub-based MMOs don’t even get content updates. The dying ones for example have remained mostly untouched for years. Even the major ones can see nothing new for months. Blizzard for example was told to release more content quicker by the higher ups to compete with free games.

yeah theyve already fone f2p it was one of the mmos i tried before gw2

TooBz.3065:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

About the topic of PvP which I’ve already commented on, but I guess I’ll do it again:

I don’t really enjoy PvP. I do WvW or sPvP on occasion, have a pretty good idea of what I’m doing, but it just doesn’t keep me entertained. I enjoy refining strategies, learning boss encounters, seeing how fast I can complete dungeons etc. Bosses in this game (save Legendary Imbued Shaman, Mossman because he has a stealth party and is broken, and Simin pre-nerfs) just sit around and let you attack them, posing no threat. HotW is a great example, so is the Jellyfish in Fractals. The bosses and dungeons aren’t fun anymore, and there isn’t any new influx of content that is similar (Molten Facility was a time-gated joke to me) and challenging. PvP is something that is fun for me in small amounts, but it gets stale and boring much faster to me than PvE. The opposite is probably true for PvP enthusiasts, because they don’t like sticking to a strict routine of memorizing patterns, which is more what I like. I used to play LoL quite a bit before GW2, sat around 1500 elo and then trolled my way down to ~500 elo with Blitzcrank and Rocket Grab. It was fun in phases, but I wasn’t able to sit and go at it for hours and hours like I enjoy with PvE. If new content was introduced that presented some sort of a challenge to me or othe rhardcore players, I would really be able to enjoy Guild Wars 2 more, but there just isn’t any content that fits that bill in this game.

The problem with PvE is that you can learn the strategies, and once you do, perfect your execution. By its very nature you will eventually exhaust the available content. Which is why I suggested PvP, where it’s impossible to learn all the strategies because they adapt.

However, if you don’t like PvP, then yes, you may have exhausted all of the content. But you may need to take a break and wait for ANet to produce new content. Like reading a book or watching a movie, it takes far longer to create than it takes to experience.

whats wrong with learning the strategies? thats what i like about challenges some might be harder to learn and its not guarenteed that you could eventually do it.

Not only that but at the moment the only fun im getting from WvW is the duels setup between RoF and FoW, which just screams out that we need a Duel arena as the event that was organised had over 50 people standing dueling each other and making challenge requests 2v1 1v1 2v2 allsorts, why anet doesnt have this i dont know, im against requests outside an arena like in a town but in one there is no excuse

Karizee.8076:

Absolutely. Don’t know why anyone would pay a sub these days.

hey ive got no problems with subs

even though i KNOW anet have seperate teams for cosmetics and content i still get annoyed when i see regular cosmetic content instead of emmersive content, hence subs being good in some cases.

Celestina.2894:

tbh I can’t think of any game that has done such regular content updates every month (in some cases 2 in one month)

Now the quality of each release, yeah, that is up for debate in regards to secret of southsun for example.

runescape was rather good for content updates before america got their hands on it xD queen black dragon was simply amazing

hmm, yeah i agree they are often, but not to my taste (my problem :P) i find everything about the updates childish, all the content they add is childish but maybe its because i played gw1 for so long which had a more serious view even on the wintersday event

Crossplay.2067:

Farm dungeons for tokens and use the tokens to buy exotic daggers. That way you’ll have a better chance at getting a precuror while still making money.

lmao xD he never even mentioned a pre-cursor, ty you just made me laugh in work and now my boss is sceptical

i dont see why everone is having a problem xD shadows refuge is terrible, with my mesmer i just knock back my necro guildie enters refuge and uses fear to get them to run out of it, ranger uses the knockback on the longbow before it stealths him, warrior uses fear me, another thief stealths up and starts spamming backtab around the area (as thiefs only really do this when low health) elem can chance it with air atunement d/d, guardian can use pushback dome and the engineer can use bombs cant he??

Quit whining you make yourself look childish, YOU let him get away, i rarely let thieves get away with doing something as careless as refuging on low health, they have to stay in that small circle for 5 seconds just aoe it or spam auto atk if you dont know how to use your class

A bitz.3825:

Rebound.3409:

This is one of the most generic threads i’ve ever read considering it applies to every game, activity and whatnot u will ever experience both IRL and virtual.

It’s like complaining about being human..same thing.

Thank you nailed it pretty good for me but I want to elaborate.

I am against alienating new players or casual players in a virtual universe. So I disagree that “hardcore” players should be rewarded for being able to PLAY more or in gw 2 case think that knowing when to dodge an enemy attack is a very deep and complicated combat system worthy of reward.

Defiantly not in my opinion, this is why guild wars is so appealing for casual players. I am elitist towards elitists just for the simple fact that they are not nice to everyone. I am aware how hypocritical I am since frankly I am disrespectful towards them, I should be more tolerant but I can’t not yet anyway.

They don’t let people join them because of whatever reason? It’s a video game, it’s not real you won’t die in real life if you fail.

The popular response is "it’s my time, what’s fun to me isn’t fun for you. In order for me to be having fun I require these items..* and here the list begins with all our personal if’s and buts. The elitist crowds “ifs and buts” are simply overall much more annoying to the average person I’d bet on.

Personally I find it disgusting to ever conceive the idea that it’s “fun” to not let someone join in on your party just because of what they are wearing or their class. As long as they are “insert my if’s and buts” nice and respectful/accepting then regardless if we win or lose it’ll be a time worth sharing. So which sounds nicer from the two as far as marketing a online multiplayer game?

“You can’t come with us “boots/kicks you”*whispers to own guild their reasons" or worse flat out saying it to their face (lol class). Or “sure bring what you like we can figure it out/we can help you together”.

Elitism really does ruin any game doesn’t it. Hopefully the world trends will fall more for the later and not be so bitter like I am towards people who go against “nicer” beliefs. Not saying the OP is that extreme of a elitist but if you are good riddance.

I am elitist to “bad” elitists for life. “Kicks high horse and gallops off” lol tl:dr? TRY your best to be nice/accepting to your fellow players with the benefit of the doubt. Something I can’t do to good when one end gets to nasty. And the issues recycle. But the quote says it all lol

im actually pretty disgusted by this post well disgusted is overexaggerating,
i am an elitist i have to admit, i love striving to be the best and if im specifically going for a new record why on gods earth would i bring along someone who has never done the dungeon before, however to counter your agrument i have helped hundreds of people and i enjoy playing the game casually however, i see nothing wrong with letting me get back to my calling in the game and achieve something that others cant, whats wrong with that? whats wrong with highscores??? its what games are based on.

Broadicea.8294:

Saw thread title, said “AW HELL NO” and rolled up my sleeves. Then I saw the thread poster and knew what it would be saying.

Yup, 100% correct. The game offers no reward for being good at it. The only thing keeping me in is that I have nothing better to play and I’m keeping myself entertained with projects to help other players be good at the game.

i love you man
ive been saying the same thing, where is the reward for being good at it?
why do people seem to be against it?
With my attitude to anything in life, if im bad at it but enjoy it i would MAKE myself good at it, whatever it took,
I was rather bad at pvp but am now renowned for being ruthless in combat in WvW because i stuck to it, people need chances to prove themselves with SKILL. :C

Why Anet why do you hate people who are determined and reward only the brainless who want childish “fun” content that i couldt care for yet still do because i have nothing else.

I feel like saying darn this game im going to play TESO but i have a funny feeling it will follow the same path, all mmos seem to be doing this lately whyyyyyy?

yes correct, 2000 times, but what I don’t think you understand is it doesn’t have to be the same person and they don’t have to be collaborative, you cant control copper ore just like you cant control ecto’s, as much as you want to believe it

Ensign.2189:

Anything that allowed me to loot items automatically as I ran past definitely qualifies for ‘go ahead, take my money’ status. Anyone who does a lot of WvW will open their wallet without thinking twice for such an item.

i do alot of wvw and ive started leaving loot on the ground until quite some time after the battle, im guessing ive lost a bit doing this as i wouldnt want to be disturbed when trying to fight, i would 100% rip my debit card out of my wallet and buy this

yeah took me a while to set up but i eventually got it working with virtual machines just have a mess around with it

mercury ranique.2170:

RedCobra.7693:

yes this seems an interesting post, firstly id suggest running a virtualisation, using a virtualpc should give different paths and allow both instances to run, dont hold me to this but in theory i cant think of any reason it wont work,
well maybe one xD
create a second virtual pc and configure it as a router then use its ip as the default gateway for both your physical pc and your 1st virtual pc.

hope this gives you a push in the right direction

RedCobra

That reminds me, someone was claiming some time ago that virtual pc ‘s can’t run this game due to the lack of drivers. I know from a few years ago that this issue was going to be solved. But I dont have any decent enough hardware to test it.

yeah this worried me aswell, ill give it a test when i get home, currently at work at the moment :P dont think my boss would appreciate me using the network as my personal gaming platform xD

yes this seems an interesting post, firstly id suggest running a virtualisation, using a virtualpc should give different paths and allow both instances to run, dont hold me to this but in theory i cant think of any reason it wont work,
well maybe one xD
create a second virtual pc and configure it as a router then use its ip as the default gateway for both your physical pc and your 1st virtual pc.

hope this gives you a push in the right direction

RedCobra

Hey Hass i enjoyed the event to and im trying to make contact with the necro legend to see if any more can be hosted, i didnt loose a single duel apart from a certain amazing ranger could be you, im the warlock looking mesmer R E D C O B R A, i would really like to duel you again sometime as i was taught quite a bit about the ranger and i learned not to underestimate them in a 1v1 situation

kitten those owls xD

its a loose loose situation xD i know but you have to think which brings more good in the end, some playable wvw is better than no playable wvw

1 massive issue i have with this

Video makers like dontain would be given a title due to their popularity and not their skill, it would be a worse system than the current one as it would just be a vip celebrity icon…did you not consider that this could happen?

true i understand, but i hope you understand that i said we need to sort the population issue out first to try and balance it as much before implementing a system such as this,

Honestly i would hate being on a server that wins all the time because of out numbers, there wouldnt be anything to do whats the point. its like fight a dog with a shotgun, you know you are going to win

woohoo my post got moved xD i wasnt sure where to put it but i still think this is a really good idea

Please dont hate, if youre not one of the lower servers then you simply wont understand, it is Unfair to have different populated teams in WvW and takes away the aspect of using skill, if the servers were even then all that would be left would be skill and that would truly be interesting, besides they wont be barred they will have to queue, take away the lions arch teleport and crafting stations to stop people using wvw as a pitstop and were sorted

Hi Guys,

Here is my suggestion to address %99 of WvWvW’s issues, its the population levels, The main thing to a good duel is to ensure that it starts fair,

I’m going to use the current EU tier 9 line-up as i am in FOW,
FOW and Vabbi are so underpopulated as a server to start with never mind wvw players as well means that before we have even started the week no matter who we are pitted against we will loose, no matter of the skill we have we will loose no matter of how lucky we are….you guessed it, we will loose Why?
Its because we don’t have enough players and this problem is recurring, more and more ppl are transferring because of this.

I offer one simple solution,
Cap the wvw player limit to the lowest population server, this way 100% of the time it is 100% FAIR, i just know that ROF would be beaten if we had the same numbers, it upsets me really.

Ive had some controversy over this suggestion.
I understand that at FOW and vabbi’s current population this system would make it near impossible for the higher populated server to get on to WvW that is why the population issue needs to be addressed first.

Edit:
Ive decided to add a bit more to address a common FAQ;
Q: Wont People get punished by getting barred?
A: No, not necessarily, most of the high pop servers already hit their caps so they wont be effected whatsoever, its only the servers that are pitted against the lower population servers that will be effected such as Blacktide or Arborstone.

Q: I Dont see the point of this, what makes this essential for World vs World?
A: WvW currently is pitting servers against each other and instilling competition between them, i know of no competition were one team is aloud a direct advantage to the other team(s) this fix is about making WvW 100% inside the game mode so it all comes down to skill, this will give strength to the leaderboards and for the first time in my gw2 life will i look at them and smile knowing that the current positions of each server are due to skilled players and guilds alike working for their team.

Q: What Happens if i Queue, i dont want to wait 5 hours to play a gamemode, im playing gw2 not wow?
A: I see were you are coming from, this is one of my pet peeves as well, hence why i think it is crucial that the margin in difference towards each of the servers need to be reduced as much as possible before this is implemented, announcing that a system such as this will be implemented will slow down the decrease in population in the lower servers, then a technique like allowing players to transfer to free for lower servers could be put in place until the servers start to show balance.

Q:Why should I care, my team is already winning, you’re only posting this because your team sucks?
A: Actually there is no way to determine currently the skill of any of the servers due to this population issue, and im not going to speak for everyone but even if i was on a winning team (which i could of transferred to long ago) i would still be posting this right now, why would i do something were i know what the outcome would be in competition, where is the fun in that, to me it feels just as bad as cheating on a game, you may get some cheap thrills at the start but in the long run it destroys the core to the gamemode and gives no reason to Actually have leaderboards.

RedCobra

to solve the issue of unfair numbered battles i dont see why we cant cap the population at the lower teams numbers, meaning
FOW – 50ppl
Vabbi – 67
ROF – 100

make the cap go to 50, this way it is 100 percent fair

Jamo.2367:

agnofinitra.6791:

Jamo.2367:

Can I just say, we are in this server getting stomped every week and your moaning about winning, do you see any of us moaning? NO we man up and get on with it It could be worse you could be one of us ^^
it’s only a week for you guys, we get this every week!

You should be moaning more than us, ANet promised you variety too.
they should have put FoW and Vabbi in other tiers, now Tier 9 stays the same.

But we know there is no way they can make the servers fair, if we weren’t with FoW we’d have 2 zergs taking our stuff, i’ve gotten used too FoW they are like our slightly bigger brother! One day we may stand a chance but until then we’ll continue too have fun trying our hardest

im FOW, i love you little brother xD
i agree with what your saying, the idiots from ROF are terrible they just have numbers, we have about 40 ppl on FOW at once at most at peak time, me and my group have taken towers from rof zergs.

You see vabbi and fow have always had low numbers so we are rather skilled in small scale battles.

oh and to the rof major that was protecting the camp with your guild zerg, i hope every single one of you enjoyed your graveyard visit after getting beaten 10 – 1

Sincerly
Warlock looking mesmer at ruins

BlackWolf.8605:

i highly agree this game is too casual gamer based.
i have +level 40 fotm (no reason to go higher)
i have dungon master
almost made second ledgondary
monthlys done on 3rd day of being put out
5 level 80s
wolf rank in spvp (the only one i care going to with the maps avalible)
6k achivement points

befor some smart kitten points out this is isnt “that good of achivement” for what ever reason what else is there to actualy do?

the only chalenge ive found is like been said the mad king tower… ok fair enough took me 1 and a half hours of play to master it and work out the tricky ending but once done i ended up doing it over 100 times just to show off or help guildies, being able to do it litteraly every time i run it.
now that many people complained look what happened.. xmas jp was a walk in the park … took me less then 10 attempts to master it.

tbh i find it sad the only chalenge was a jumping puzzle

^THIS
i never had the chance to do tht jp but im guessing with the sounds of it was hard and i would of loved the chance to do it, ive done the stepping stones quite alot but keep getting annoyed at people getting ported up by mesmers, yes im a mesmer and “no god kitten it arent you capable of doing it without port” lmao i enjoyed it tbh, took me a bit to get the hand but i stuck to it, is that so hard for people???

Thank you black wolf, its people like you and me that will soon run out of things to do, they need to add something so incredibally hard that you have to train like crazy to do, that way ppl cant just say oooh i got my fractal backpiece or ooooh check out my new armour all the time.

Vayne.8563:

RedCobra.7693:

people saying thakittens all about proving it to yourselves aren’t being truly honest to themselves, mmo’s have always been about competition, proving yourself and standing out amongst the huge crowd, this is why it does so well with the reclusive/less social groups as it gives them the opportunities to achieve things that others in the same category couldn’t.

MMOs have been about this for a certain vocal demographic. But there are plenty of people who play MMOs who aren’t competitive at all. Why should they be left out? What if their numbers are bigger than the competitive types?

they havnt been left out, i agree with you everyone should be having fun but its the challenge seekers and difficult goal seekers that are left out.

people saying thakittens all about proving it to yourselves aren’t being truly honest to themselves, mmo’s have always been about competition, proving yourself and standing out amongst the huge crowd, this is why it does so well with the reclusive/less social groups as it gives them the opportunities to achieve things that others in the same category couldn’t.

Mirta.5029:

Nick.6972:

I would have never played one single speed run in Mirror’s Edge for 3+ hours if I knew I would get nothing for it.
How do you display to someone you’re a better player than he is?

For example in GW1, when I started playing Heroes Ascent, my goal was to become as good as the top rated people, I would have never played for hours searching for a team just because of “fun”. It was painfully slow and mind-numbing boring at times but when I reached rank 3 I knew it was worth it and that kept be going up until rank 8.

I never needed to know that I’m better than someone else. I didn’t chose to go on Mass Effect 1 as a sniper on the hardest difficulty just because I wanted something to show off afterwards. Hell I didn’t run trough Silent Hill 1 on the hardest difficulty finding every ending possible just to get some “achievement” to boast about. Before achievements there were people challenging themselves for fun. It’s about pushing your own personal boundaries, not about getting something shinny at the end of it.

why the hate for the shinies? i can honestly say ive done the same, and can you honestly tell me that gw2 offers opportunities to prove yourself, no im not going to solo lupi xD before you suggest that.

Mirta.5029:

Nick.6972:

I’d do that If I’d get rewarded for that with at least a Title that can be displayed over my name and which would actually mean something, or a special /emotion.

I do agree that there should be more titles for more various things.
However if you love challenge you should do it just for the sake of challenging yourself.

oh dont get me wrong xD i love setting challenges for myself but what got me into MMO’s was that i could show off (is that childish of me?) i enjoy the pride i have of showing off my achievments

Ryth.6518:

RedCobra.7693:

Whats happening with games these days?
It seems more and more game companies, especially mmo’s appear to be making thier games (shall we say) “noob” friendly, with GW2 leading the charge, dont get me wrong i love this game, but all i seem to hear is people complaining that if somehting is too hard then it isnt fair.

Now im going to remind you older gamers about a forgotten gem. Ghouls ‘n’ Ghosts.
This was probably the hardest game of my childhood and if you noticed when playing if you found a part too hard then you would not be able to play the game at all, this is extreme yet fun at the same time, the key word their being fun, i understand that games need to be fun but GW2 has no CHALLENGE.

I had previously made a post about the legendary weapons needing a skill aspect to acquiring one, however this idea was shot down with comments such as, thats not fair to people who arent good at the game, well in all honesty as cruel as it sounds i dont believe they deserve one as the weapon is supposed to be “legendary”.

Can anyone point out any equipment or weapons that take real skill to acquire, if not i think my point stands.

I’m going to respond to this using Vanilla WoW as a reference point.

Games since around WotLK have gotten quicker and easier and it’s not a good thing.

The JOURNEY is a BIG part of the longevity of a game.
The CHALLENGE is a BIG part of the longevity of a game.

Leveling in a game should be a long long journey. Now again..a journey. NOT A GRIND. A journey.

In fact, it leveling should be where you spend 50-75% of the original game in play time. Leveling allows you to not only learn your characters abilities, but also the ins and outs of the class and your limits, both character and player.

Vanilla WoW had it very correct. Leveling took a looooong time. In fact, even if you did most of the zones, you usually ended up around level 57 and still had to run dungeons to hit 60. Most average players hit 60 around 6 months…some longer..much longer. Some shorter. You can’t included HC players because they are going to level as fast as possible. Ignore this group.

Encounters were HARD. Very hard. If you ran into a pack of mobs in Duskwood, you better be able to CC or control them and have a few people. Things took a while to do. Dying lost you experience..which taught you to be careful. Dungeons were hard. You couldn’t blast through them. They were big. There were multiple wings. And you needed skill and CC to complete them.

Gear was hard to come by. I remember when a Thrash Blade was acquired around level 45 and most of us used that till 60..even longer. Gold was hard to come by. If you saved up for an epic mount (1000 gold)…kitten you were admired by people.

Now remember one thing that WoW did wrong..and that was limiting the content of the game to 40+ raiders. That was logistics and accessibility.

Accessibility does not mean Easy. That’s one thing people love about GW2 is that you CAN see all the content with 5 people.

But right now, almost all games, especially MMOS are so easy and not challenging that the ‘feeling of accomplishment’ is gone. I went back to MoP and it wasn’t bad…but overall it was so ridiculously easy that you burn through the content and game in no time.

I don’t understand why GW2 made leveling so quick. I don’t understand why every game ‘rewards you XP’ you for mining, skinning, etc. They give you XP for exploring now.

Items drop too much. You get an item and it’s replaced hours later. You can buy things now.

There was nothing wrong with ‘vanilla’…some would say that’s always the best flavor.

as much as i hated the huge chain of fetch quests in WOW which made me give up at lvl 65 i completely aggree that most of these aspects should be included.

Mirta.5029:

RedCobra.7693:

Hmm yeah not the skill i was thinking of but i see where youre coming from, you could be carried for that one, i just dont see why anet hasnt decided to satisfy both audiences by making skins that take skill to get to give specific prestige to gamers with skill,

Dont shoot me down here but i had played runescape for a while and i remember getting my fire cape which took immense skill and the prestige that came with it was amazing.

I remember playing runescape. It didn’t take skill. It took time. GW2 requires far greater skill than runescape ever did.

i understand your opinion is your own but im gonna have to say that tz-tok jad took immense skill on my part and it took even more skill for me to defeat the queen black dragon :C your only reward was good loot and maybe an item that showed you defeated it, why doesnt gw2 have anything like this, dont make it so you HAVE to do it but the people who want to can.

eisberg.2379:

RedCobra.7693:

i also dont understand why BiS equipment is earned from laurels that you can literally get just by logging in, now if that doesnt seem easy i dont know what is, seriously though this isnt even fun are you kidding me, bit late to the rage post but i just dont get who’s idea this was.

Literally? I don’t think that means what you think it means. There are so many days I have logged in, and never got a laurel, actually most days I don’t get a laurel. Even though I log in everyday, I still only get about 2 laurels per week. Guess I need to content arenanet to give me my laurels for just logging in. -.-

dude grow up, stop nitpicking at my post, understand sarcasm when you read it, yes i barely even need to try to get my laurels and i have the monthly yes MONTHLY done in the first three days.

“Being legendary doesn’t necessarily mean that one is good or skilled at something.”
i know this, this is my exact point. no create something that takes skill NOT something like a jumping puzzle.