Guild Wars 2

alchemyst.2165:

I don’t know about you guys, but I LOVE mug.

Mug is one of the main reasons I choose 2/6/6/0/0 over 0/6/6/2/0. 2k heal every ~30ish seconds + damage? Combined with a CnD combo if im close to dead I can get back in the fight much quicker. And actually, I like mug better than when it just dealt damage. I think it is good that we have the option to have an extra quick heal. Not sure why people don’t like it.

Thanks for the replies guys as usual. Mug has been and always will be helpful but I was experimenting to make up for what I didn’t have, I’ll put it back on though since that 2k hp is starting to be noticed, which brings me to YOU the person I am responding to. I may have not caught on but no one here hates mug, it’s just that we were seeing if it was viable to drop it for shadows embrace for condi clearing

I liked this video but it’s misleading, it made me think of a shortbow highlight since pistol whip, ironically, was of the least used skills save toward the end, nevertheless it was fun to watch

^^That and this may be unneeded to say but don’t forget CnD naturally procs vulnerability

Amonatory.2453:

godz raiden.2631:

Amonatory.2453:

I just find it funny when I get told to hs spam more while I’m playing s/d.

I think I remember fighting you a few times months ago when BP somehow managed to be matched against SoS. I definitely remember your guild tag, and I really enjoyed fighting you guys. Btw, a few BP players did complain about you guys “heartseeker spamming.” I had your back though, and taught them a little something about thief weaponsets and how the thief who killed them using s/d could not have possibly spammed heartseeker.

Haha it’s not the first time I’ve been told to hs spam more. But anyways, people always say BLNT is a thief only guild yet at that time I think we only had 3 thieves. People even say it now and stuff but we only have 4/30 members that are even thieves. Also to the people who said you “guys” hs spam they must be pretty dumb aha back then we only had s/d thieves.

Didn’t you know? The community evolves with the times. When 22222 doesn’t work they’ll say you 333333 and you are SD and it fits so have fun with those whispers

It’s actually been a gradual change due to nerfs, we used to excel in 1v1 due to the very high amount of spike damage we used to be able to put out combined with what we have now, but as our skills like Cloak and Dagger have gotten nerfed, thieves have started to slowly migrate toward sustain builds like SD or PD focused on killing by means other than bursting. Other classes though I have to say, are better at this fighting style. Little know that the Ranger was actually supposed to be the best sustained class fun fact, anyway yeah we’ve been pushed into other roles other classes can do better. That’s not to say we suck, specs like DP and SD trickery are very good at 1 on 1 but I reiterate, they used to be better.

Blind spamming guardian: “plz really keep stealthing it makes you better”
my response: “k”

Charr warrior: “kittening thief” 5 minutes later “wtf cheater”

Phantasm Mesmer: “Arrrggh”
^Ranger on his team: “Its okay its game” Me: ….?

Charr guardian: “Anet needs to stop sucking warriors and thiefs d(i)cks”
^when his interrupt somehow stopped my blind stomp and knocked me below him in Temple “eat me B**ch”
^when my shortbow decided it would finish him off “really?!?!?!?”

Hambow warr:“Lol blind spamming thief no skill class”

Turretmancer on point engi: “Come at me trash”
^when I backed off and finished him when a couple teammates came to capture point: “terribad thief”

medi guard (close fight): “thiefs op”
^me: “Why does everyone forget the other 24 letters of the alphabet?”

when I get outplayed by someone honestly better than me: “what a kitten player go back to pve filthy scrub” <—had that one too

Funny side story, after I defeated an elementalist in WvW he whispered me asking if “thiefs” blink when they enter stealth….
Shows how much the community knows tells me a did a good job of re positioning

I was having some nice PvP matches with the standard DP meta build when eventually I just decided to drop mug and go with shadows embrace, why? I’ll tell you why, after I got hit with a lotus strike and got away with triple digit health and no utilities I saw the poison…just ticking my health away, and nothing I could do about it, sure that’s a bit of DPS gone but wouldn’t it make sense in the current meta to have at least shadows embrace for a DP build?

EDIT: Red typically doesn’t use DP so I’m asking for the opinions of those that call this build home

I mean my dire condi terrormancer just refuses to die so I didn’t think they were weak at all

Necromancer forum is that way

Chicago Jack.5647:

Shortbow is the best weapon that a thief can have.

Only thing I disagree with since this is quite debatable. It has a lot of uses, therefore making it good utility but I personally do not think it is the best weapon. More than a few fights I’ve had where switching to shortbow would’ve caused a loss since its autoattack isn’t powerful enough as a standalone, and clusterbomb is slow enough to be dodged assuming they are a decent range away and have endurance left. The shortbow is amazing at kiting though. I will say nothing is more fun than playing a x/x/x/(at least 3)/(at least 3) thief with shortbow out. With withdraw and the right utilities I can say No other class even comes close to the sheer amount of evades and blinks this brings while kiting

Hm this would certainly add variety and flavor, esp for the legendaries with “ugly” skins

The boots are just as bad..so dang bulky it’s not even funny, I really wanna use whisper boots too

Let’s be honest here:
D/D burst OP, backstab no risk high reward 22222
D/P blinds and burst OP no risk high reward
P/D stealth and condition OP no risk high reward
S/D 333333 OP no risk high reward
S/P 333333 blind PW spam OP
SB 333333 maybe some 5’s

All this into consideration the new safe meta will inevitably be PP, do we have some PP builds? I mean there is no way it’s OP….right?

Hype.8032:

You know you played thief too much when you look on the mesmer forum, see they have this same post about mesmers, and decide to ‘steal’ the idea and put it in the thief forums.

Are you accusing me of being a thief?

You hear about a thief in real life and instead of looking down on them you instead think they’re a pretty cool person

When you have to fight the urge to attack someone walking their dog

All that you have said are nice choices, before though practically any rune set would work as long as they offered critical damage but that has been replaced so the DPS of DD balanced got hurt, back to the point do not over look wurm runes as they are nice as well, in fact they are rising in price too, I wonder why…. But yeah any of the above work nice, it’s just that strength will let you benefit from the perma might DD balanced so naturally gives you, another note, your guild mates do say scholars 10% above 90%health makes sense since as a thief you avoid damage, but they are not taking into consideration that you WILL get hit, you cannot avoid everything and as a thief those hits won’t be light a nice chunk of the time to keep you still at 90% health, take this into consideration as that 10% may usually only be good for the opening attack.

Lux.7169:

When you don’t even realize you press 5 when you down someone.

Holy cow I thought I was the only one! “I don’t remember pressing black powder…”

You find yourself wearing hoodies more
You get extremely defensive over others opinions on you
You look at leather coats when you need a new one
You find only dark colors in your closet
You never look at people’s backs the same way….

Lunaire.5827:

I’ve always felt that the sword skills are very slow and disjointed feeling in comparison to the rest of our weapon sets.

Then I made a ranger that used S/D and fell in love with the skills due to how thief-like they felt. I really wish I could swap those for our S/D skills.

Dat Serpent Strike

Just curious, why Rune of the Traveler? Why not something that benefits what you want…and if the answer is for the celestial spread, why not Divinity’s? Like i said just wondering also is this another hybrid as well Aiki? (P/D,D/P)

Thanks for the advice and links uys, I’ll be sure to check them out

I appreciate your input for ideas, but due to lack of time I will say this, while I agree that the 15 IR standby has let several people get away from me since IS was off roll over, I think simple eliminating cast-time like it was before would allow a very quick turnover to use IS again while keeping the condi removal of IR

Lol I can see it now:

“I remember the first time Amonatory helped me, his kind advice on my choice of stat spreads”: “LOL noobzorz ur stats suck, go back to pve scrub #2spookie4u this place is hxc…only the reel proze dwell hurr scrublett”

Thanks for the reply, anyone else can add as well, I’ll look into it

Red here, you may or may not have seen me hopping around the forums from time to time. I came here because my third 80 is in fact a guardian, seemed much more fun than warrior( deleted mine). I’ve spent copious amounts of time on my thief and a nice chunk of time on my necromancer, and I’ve had this guardian for awhile now actually and decide it’s about one I fully gear her.

So I come to you guys since this is the guardian sub forum unless I took a wrong turn. I’m interested in using sword, maybe shield or focus offhand. I was hoping you guys can direct me to some builds that would make use of these? And don’t limit yourselves that’s just priority it seems. Mainly I would like a build that’s a good all rounder like good for pve and wvw, if it’s wvw I can make do with it in pve I would check the sticky build thread but this is my first time here and you guys know what was affected by the patch as a more up to date way.

Thanks in advance

I do believe AikijinX has a life leech heavy build tht used PD, the thread is here somewhere….

Berengar.6951:

RedSpectrum.1975:

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

hihey.1075:

Take dagger offhand and roflstomp those Condi engis, please. They are polluting every game I play with that brainless bombspam

engis only have two dmg dealing condis on their bombs… you know that right?

Incendiary powder has got your back

But burning is one of the damaging conditions already on bomb kit :O

that is true, but I said that since it can apply burning very reliably, and it’s one of the most damaging conditions in the game

Let’s recap:
Thieves should not hit hard
Thieves should not stealth
Thieves should be affected by chill
Thieves should not have initiative
Thieves should not spam evades
Thieves should not be able to cure immobilize now

I always knew my class was supposed to be that of the Ebonhawk chicken variety, sad thing is, they would still be tougher

draven.4796:

your third legendary? I have nothing nice to say to you

I laughed too hard at this for no reason

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

hihey.1075:

Take dagger offhand and roflstomp those Condi engis, please. They are polluting every game I play with that brainless bombspam

engis only have two dmg dealing condis on their bombs… you know that right?

Incendiary powder has got your back

Lopez.7369:

I just think it’s weird to keep calling it a condition problem when it’s only engineers. Every other condition build is subpar in high-level play.

The metagame definitely moved toward power builds overall.

The increase of condi warriors, rangers, thieves and mesmers say otherwise

What: F1-4
Type: Class Design Change
Suggestion: Have f1 remain steal and f2 become the stolen item, if steal is used again, that item will be replaced. F3 and f4 will be venoms and traps respectively. When, say for instance, f3 is picked, our utilities will change to types of venoms and if f4 is pressed, they will change to traps. To go back to regular utilities, simply press that f key again.

Why: Anet claims this class is good in 1v1, utilizes venoms, and makes use of traps. I can say a vast majority only do one of these, and it’s not venoms or traps. So this would be a neat way to make use of what the thief was meant to be.

Lately as I’ve been reading these threads here I’m starting to see what everyone is complaining about and I’m getting kinda upset:

Engineers- should be nerfed, it doesn’t make sense how one class can run around in circles and spam away explosion and conditions while I’m dancing the marked for death dance, and whatever damage I do they just heal back up. No room for error.

Warriors-Honestly they don’t die when I do a fairly strong burst. And when I use conditions, they just Shake it off or Cleansing Ire or heck the Healing Signet mitigates damage far too well, not to mention they can just run away from combat at will and even when on a thief I can barely catch up to them, also, endure pain and berserkers stance..nuff said here, why are these even a thing?

Mesmers- Like this is honestly one of the most passive power based fighting styles I’ve seen, and it’s unfair. They sit back while their phantasms and clones do all of the damage. Or they can sit in stealth and still dish out that huge amount damage, and not get revealed. And people complain about thieves? And while we are on that topic…

Thief-Far too much stealth, far too much evades. One thief has access to unlimited stealth and evades and blinks than anyone can keep track of. Even as a thief I hate these guys. At least they get revealed when they attack you, but what’s the point since by that time you are looking up at them while on the ground as they stomp you saying “GG” in say chat then proceeding to jump up and down and /sit on your defeated body

Necromancers- The conditions and rate at which these guys can apply them is absurd. Mostly in an aoe too! To boot, they can transfer conditions back at you. Okay then fight them up close, lolnope, they can actually take a hit. Honestly have defense against conditions or melee, but why both? This is very OP imo.

Elementalist- Weakness class yeah right, how certain specs have more burst potential than even the glassiest of thieves. And they heal up a significant amount of damage without even using their kitten heal skill first. And I swear they cheat, whenever they use Shocking Aura or whatever it lasts like four seconds yet when I tried it it lasted for like .5 seconds. And the mobility! the OP active defenses!

Guardian- Like, why does a heavy armor class have so much passive healing? Only put to shame by Warrior and even then, these guys are tough! Why do they have blinks!? Shouldn’t mesmers and thieves have blinks? And why do their blinks hurt?? OP nuff said OP, if I cant kill it in one opening burst it is OP

Rangers- These guys are fine

godz raiden.2631:

He’s right though. Whenever I roam on my thief in WvW I tie a blindfold around my head to make fights fair. After about a half hour I untie my blindfold to see what has happened. I’m always running into a wall somewhere close to spawn, so I can only assume that I have defeated at least 100 enemies at that point. And that’s with a d/d setup. I could probably get at least 200 kills using the same method if I used d/p.

I wish there was a +100 button

mompen has a valid yet scary and downright nauseating point, I’m sorry to say but the Traveler Runes won’t cut it anymore for the D/D build, they didn’t get nerfed it’s just that they don’t offer the needed bonuses anymore to make up for damage loss (their stats didn;t get changed but they are now inadequate). I personally recommend salvaging your current gear that has the runes and selling the runes for money toward new valk armor and another rune set, as for strength runes, they cost about as much if not more than Traveler Runes so the money from them will not pay for strength runes.

mompen.7952:

@Dee Jay: Because I was wondering if people were still using travelers runes after the update. Guess I could start a new thread about it..

Some builds do but a good amount don’t. D/D will suffer a significant damage loss if one still uses T runes.

You literally answered your own question. The damage nerf was supposed to be 10% for all builds. But builds that rely heavily on crit damage, not chance necessarily although this can be just as important for some builds, got noticeably more than 10%(note power is unaffected by this change just crit dmg) example, a hidden killer thief’s backstab will crit 100% of the time and it is their staple attack, so thieves with this build would suffer even as much as 30% loss in dmg since their crit dmg would’ve decreased by this much. Builds that don’t rely on critting and rely on a lot if power would only be nerfed by 10% however

Lux.7169:

RedSpectrum.1975:

Lux.7169:

RedSpectrum.1975:

I’m sorry I have to comment on this, does anyone else notice that in this thread, there are two people who apparently, according to their signatures, have blue-haired thieves with Incinerator and Bolt?

And they’re making the exact same arguments to support each other.

Not like they’re buddies or anything

Since you responded, and this is somewhat off-topic, is the next podcast going to address our state in areas such as WvW now with respect to godforsaken ferocity? I feel as though our “roles” became a bit harder.

Nevermore is the one who pretty much prepares for the podcast and creates the agenda. I usually know what I’ll be talking about since I just talk about whatever is on my mind. I’ve been doing a lot of wvw lately since I want a mistforge wep and there’s no incentive for me to pvp.

That being said I am slightly biased since I run my niche build and unlike people with all ascended gear+food I don’t notice a terribly big difference since it doesn’t impact my build so much.

So to answer your question more directly, I think nevermore will definitely talk about it and we’ll examine how the update impacts the thief especially. However, I will be more centered on how the sigils will impact gameplay and perhaps a couple reviews on the new traits. So yeah, from me expect power creep and sigil talk and nevermore will almost for sure talk about the wvw thief with ferocity changes and force me to talk about various thief roles. Haha jk he’s a good guy and it’s fun to examine various builds, although perhaps this is a good opportunity to get a guest thief to talk about the ferocity nerf.

Glad to hear. I always interesting hearing others cover something that turns a decent amount of people’s worlds upside down. Especially from “Famous” thieves.

Lux.7169:

RedSpectrum.1975:

I’m sorry I have to comment on this, does anyone else notice that in this thread, there are two people who apparently, according to their signatures, have blue-haired thieves with Incinerator and Bolt?

And they’re making the exact same arguments to support each other.

Not like they’re buddies or anything

Since you responded, and this is somewhat off-topic, is the next podcast going to address our state in areas such as WvW now with respect to godforsaken ferocity? I feel as though our “roles” became a bit harder.

4 level 80’s here (check siggy)
1 with 100% :p
0 legendaries due to 0 precursor drops
I mean…as I acquired more 80’s the amount of mapping they’ve done has decreased because when you overpower everything at lower maps, it can get dull and boring, I’d rather PvP;

arjeidi.2690:

RedSpectrum.1975:

Redenaz.8631:

While it’s a sensible business tactic, it’s not a consumer-friendly one.

It’s not, but a free to play game in of itself is. I’m not saying I disagree with the OP, but as you aren’t forced to buy gems, they have every right to have gem amounts set in stone.

Guild Wars 2 is not a free to play game. It is Buy To Play. There is a difference. $60 is not the same kitten

Fact of the matter is that you, and I can assume most others, knew what I meant, so I don’t see what this has to do with my post, I’m sorry.

I’m sorry I have to comment on this, does anyone else notice that in this thread, there are two people who apparently, according to their signatures, have blue-haired thieves with Incinerator and Bolt?

Mortals, necromancy was not enough, my necromancer has discovered that art is a great way to immortalize yourself

Amonatory.2453:

Well I have a scholar set, but its really not that amazing as the 6th slot is kind of pointless after the opening strike. But if its just for the time being go for it.

Yeah, the only major downside that I see to these runes is that 6, being a thief keeping your health that high is out of the question, but they’ll do for now

I love it, thank you so much!

Redenaz.8631:

While it’s a sensible business tactic, it’s not a consumer-friendly one.

It’s not, but a free to play game in of itself is. I’m not saying I disagree with the OP, but as you aren’t forced to buy gems, they have every right to have gem amounts set in stone.

I mean…we can steal. As it stands it seems a lot of power based builds got the short end of the stick on this one. Conditions are becoming more prominent which confuses me since it’s like Anet wants to focus on passive fighting and active dodging and defending which the two don’t really meld together. I’ve been using some S/D builds in sPvP that do alright but it certainly feels like I’m hitting lesser now and getting hit harder, also having a sort of identity crisis at the moment. On the character selection screen there is a funny little paragraph when you choose your profession and you select thief, it says they are deadly in one on one combat. I’ve come to the conclusion that this was because we spike, which they took that away from us. “Condition builds do well in 1v1, P/D thief melts with condi builds.” True, but I’d rather run around in circles spamming bombs and grenades at my feet like an engineer or use my awesome necromancer.

I do believe in the saying “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” and therefore what I may consider “sexy” you may not.

If you guys have a problem with how two-hander swords are wielded, you should play the Dark Souls series in which if one invests enough into strength, you can dual-wield them :P