Guild Wars 2

Ezekiel.1985:

I have a feeling I know which expletive that kitten is covering up, so I’m going to say thanks to Titus’ help, you scored. Now thank the man, like a gentleman.

No that kitten was the other form of the word. The well my life sucks right now version

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Is there spots open by any chance?

Seems legit.

I’m having trouble seeing why people are calling RoS meh. Tht trait sounds like it will get a lot of hate from the damage dealing end.

I may be wrong but I believe it is a stun break only when someone is marked

Konig Des Todes.2086:

ArenaNet was saying that in relation to saying that sylvari need to eat and drink to gain energy – that they cannot thrive solely off of photosynthesis.

Whether they breath oxygen or CO2 is up in the air (no pun intended).

Yeah thats why I said, from a bio perspective. Quite frankly, I dunno what Anet wants to do with these guys. I’m just saying, you get energy from food and drink via respiration which requires oxygen but then again hey may come around and say it’s all magic, the sylvari use magic and then even more fan theories will develope about how each sylvari will actually grow into a Mordremoth and how Mordremoth was really the first sylvari 10k years old and yadda yadda blah blah yap yap etc etc

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The idea was more that plants take in CO2 and give out breathable air – the reverse of animals. So theoretically (we don’t know if sylvari function this way!), a human and a sylvari could breath into each other without issue.

This is common to think plants do the reverse in breathing but from a biological perspective. Anet may have other ideas but, Sylvari, like actual plants, would undergo photosynthesis AND respiration( plants respire as well!), but the latter far more since they move and require large amounts of energy to do so. Thus meaning Sylvari too would need oxygen as we do in arguably the same amounts as we do.Yes Id imagine they take in some CO2 but as Anet said, unlike other plants, Sylvari cant thrive off of photosynthesis as heavily as normal plants. So unfortunately youd be breathing in carbon dioxide for the most part if you kissed them for air :p

Let’s get down to business, to haaaave some funs

We as thieves use daggers, swords and booows, and guuuns

PvE unfortunately is the saddest spot, dungeon groups will usually hate you

How will I- make a thief- out of youuuuuuu
dun dun- dun dun- dun

To be a thief
You’ll use stealth as if it’s cleansing ire

To be a thief
You’ll need to able to steal some boons

To be a thief
Escape when your hp is but a sliver

And be prepared to face the wrath of the- QQQQQQQ’s

They should somehow make the next weapon we loot say some well known precursor as we loot it but then find out it’s a normal weapon while in our inventory

Everyone stop! Not a single step more! I can already see class loathing forming
OP, this game wasn’t balanced around 1v1’s

Allie Murdock.8152:

Not only did I not say no, I said this “I’m not saying it’s a bad idea,”

So it’s a yes ?

Titus.4285:

DominationCreation.5703:

Kasmeer is so hot!

Ya think?

Welp thanks, I opened up that link when someone walked into the room… kitten me right?

Certain shoulders,like Sylvari cult T3 medium cover both shoulders as one piece, so how would this work for the pauldrons like those?

Pie Flavor.1647:

RedSpectrum.1975:

Sazune.8195:

Name.9625:

I say No! Let us at least keep this bit of difference in the looks of armor types

What difference would it make? And this would allow even more variety in the looks of armor types. Unless you’re in the habit of checking everyone’s profession as you pass them on the street or while dungeon crawling, I don’t see how it makes any difference to anyone.

We already have Guardians who use staffs and wield magic, so why can’t a Guardian have the look of light armor?

And the light armor class can use swords and axes, so why can’t they have the look of heavy armor?

The professions are already mixed, in a sense, so I fail to see why we can’t take it a step further. Each profession’s armor sets would still retain the stats according to their profession, as I’ve stated several times above, the only thing that would transmute are the skins.

I fail to see how being able to use magic means you should wear light armor. Lore-wise, a Guardians magic is their to aid allies in battle since they are a war themed magical class. Of course they need heavy armor.

really? that’s the ONLY part of his entire post you got? nice cherry picking.

Thanks, I need the freshest ones for the right Pie Flavor. I wasn’t nitpicking as that point can be morphed for relevancy. If guardians were supposed to have light armor then Anet would have made them a scholar class. If elementalist were supposed to have heavy armor than they’d be a heavy class. The classes are not mixed via weapons as it would be boring having one weapon per class type. Imagine if only mages could use scepters and staves, no swords. Or if only medium classes could use daggers or pistols. That enough is to give diversity between armor types. Like someone said above, even if it is just an opinion, no one would picture say a thief wearing heavy armor doing parkour like they do. No one would picture a warrior wearing basically a bra into combat.

Anet did this to make class types stand out. If armor types were to be mixed then you might as well start mixing professions since at that point if they all look alike (I mean not literally but if everyone had a mix of heavy light and medium armor, in that sense, everyone would be alike) then you might as well play alike. I had fun mixing armors in preview when we still could, yes, but I knew that classes needed something to make them stand distinct from one another. if anything I want more variety on medium gear, tired of coats. Perhaps an alternative as well is to have Class Specific Armor in the future.

Sazune.8195:

Not once did I mention the word should, but rather, could, or inferred it, at least. It’s entirely optional, so I fail to see why it couldn’t be up to the user to choose. Maybe some Guardians like the look of light armor, or medium. I can imagine some pretty nice combinations.

Right you did infer not imply. My apologies. Regardless, while I agree there would be some exotic armor combinations, I personally think it should stay separate. Now they can add heavier or lighter looking armor to the types, that’s a different story, but as for the whole shebang, I don’t think so.

Faowri.4159:

They mimic human anatomy, but sometimes it’s more suggestive than a specific replication of the way humans work.

Sylvari anatomy render

To me, from images like this, it looks more like there’s a suggestion of toes rather than individual ones. Kinda like how the ‘belly button’ mimics human belly buttons, but is actually the stem of the sylvari as opposed to being caused by an umbilical cord, and the face looks like a human face but is really just a clever arrangement of overlapping plates of plant material and leaves.

I love their anatomy design

Actually this, but I couldn’t find the words, I’ve been looking at those pictures closely and it looks like toes are suggested by not fully there

Honestly, if they had just built the entirety of Lion’s Arch out of the same material they used for Marriner Plaques, LA wouldn’t have been destroyed causing looters to never have existed in the first place. But nooooo the Lion’s Guard was enough they said, nothing will happen to this city they said….

I know you weren’t >_> and with the exception of cluster bomb, PP is actually stronger via Unload but thats where the pros end for direct comparison

Sazune.8195:

Name.9625:

I say No! Let us at least keep this bit of difference in the looks of armor types

What difference would it make? And this would allow even more variety in the looks of armor types. Unless you’re in the habit of checking everyone’s profession as you pass them on the street or while dungeon crawling, I don’t see how it makes any difference to anyone.

We already have Guardians who use staffs and wield magic, so why can’t a Guardian have the look of light armor?

And the light armor class can use swords and axes, so why can’t they have the look of heavy armor?

The professions are already mixed, in a sense, so I fail to see why we can’t take it a step further. Each profession’s armor sets would still retain the stats according to their profession, as I’ve stated several times above, the only thing that would transmute are the skins.

I fail to see how being able to use magic means you should wear light armor. Lore-wise, a Guardians magic is their to aid allies in battle since they are a war themed magical class. Of course they need heavy armor.

What’s going on here?

^^Is that a dbl post I see?

Oh My God, someone finally came here to ask instead of troll or QQ. There are a bit of builds. Power builds utilize Sword Dagger or Dagger dagger, even Dagger Pistol and Sword Pistol, so power builds for thieves are the most diverse Id say. Condi builds usally use PD or even DD albeit rarely, and yes Venom builds are usually PD based. But for most diversity go power. DD and DP are stealth builds, mainly DD with dagger off hand cloaking where DP has some stealthing but uses blinds fare more. Sword mainhand builds usually use less stealth. In fact there are Sword dagger builds that are all about evading which are very fun but not as powerful burst wise as Dagger mainhand due to backstab not being available. Sword Pistol if usually about control and channeled damage via pistol whip but once again, no stealth. Very few builds use Pistol Pistol but most builds use Shortbow as offhand

Chorazin.4107:

Zacchary.6183:

At least you have skills available. That is the point.

Interesting, so despite the usefulness of the skill in question with the scenario involved it’s just good that i have them, even if the skill is utterly useless?

The only argument here is they may become active later in the fight, as in the conditions have changed in the scenario thus rendering a weapon skill now useful that was superfluous previously.

Or i could have a pool of action points to draw from and use the 1 or 2 skills, repeatedly if necessary, i need at that moment in the fight.

Chill slows down skill use(including weapon skill use) for classes but not thieves. I dont see a reason why they should be exempt, sure 66% may be too much of a hit to initiative regen, you could start out with say 20% reduction and work from there. But it should slow down skill use somewhat. It even puts attunement swapping on cool down for Eles.

Im guessing the posters here are advocating what? They are not making any suggestions other than just disagreeing outright with any perceived ‘nerf’ to their class(im assuming they are all thieves). When really it’s more looking for parity and a fair and equitable way to apply some weapon skill reduction to the class via chill.

Even still, we can say that assuming the ele is off all cooldowns, he still has 16 skills to use before chill CD affects him, regardless of usefulness. Whereas a thief only has….far fewer, four at most. Five or six with extra initiative

Zacchary.6183:

Chorazin.4107:

RedSpectrum.1975:

And the same applies to thieves, not all weapon skills have relevance to the fight. So still they would be at an underdog position.

But you have repeated access to the 1 or 2 key weapon skills you need until initiative is exhausted, whilst switching weapons gave other classes more skills to use, it does not take into consideration that at that particular juncture in a fight only a select few skills are useful.

At least you have skills available. That is the point.

v You know how easy it is to fight a thief? Aoe, damaging conditions and simply playing well will repel if not kill a thief. If you seriously want chill to affect initiative, then I want chill to place all of your skills on CD after you use 1-2 of them. That is equal.

He has a point, only the thief class has a shared cooldown. It would only be fair *troll face

Rainbow Sprint.3215:

From the outside sylvari look like humans, except plant like. This would include toes.

Fair point but this would also include even more basic things such as a nose as well….and…well….that went out the window

Chorazin.4107:

RedSpectrum.1975:

No. It’s not. I’d rather my initiative regenerate slower since even adding 1 second onto revealed causes many thieves to die when they first did it in WvW. Also, I’m not saying no out right, but people need to understand something: If your class is chilled, you use all moves, then can weapon swap and use the other moves before the actually chilling effect becomes a problem. By this mechanic, a thief would use his skill (not even all of them mind you since initiative is shared!), run out of initiative, switch weapons and….LOL. That’s right, initiative is shared between weapons. This would be severely crippling.

This is true about the weapon swap, but you are ignoring in any given situation not all weapon skills are useful. You are not going to swap sets and start using skills that are pointless in your current situation just because they are available for use and not on a chill cooldown, that is asinine. You will still want those relevant select skills that are useful in your current situation.

And the same applies to thieves, not all weapon skills have relevance to the fight. So still they would be at an underdog position.

Chorazin.4107:

Zacchary.6183:

This whole thread is about players getting an “I win” button against thieves.

If you cannot clear conditions then yes it would be an i win button, but who enters WvW without condi cleanses?

I kind of agree 66% is possibly too much and that some internal testing would be required on init regen. But there is 0 parity in allowing no imapct on all thief weapon skills whilst the condition punishes all other classes weapon skill use.

The extra reveal time is an interesting idea i must admit.

No. It’s not. I’d rather my initiative regenerate slower since even adding 1 second onto revealed causes many thieves to die when they first did it in WvW. Also, I’m not saying no out right, but people need to understand something: If your class is chilled, you use all moves, then can weapon swap and use the other moves before the actually chilling effect becomes a problem. By this mechanic, a thief would use his skill (not even all of them mind you since initiative is shared!), run out of initiative, switch weapons and….LOL. That’s right, initiative is shared between weapons. This would be severely crippling.

I have never seen so many thumbs up in a row ._.

Do sylvari have toes? It seems like sometimes they do and other times they don’t, like it looks rounded on top, but the glow on bottom hints at toes

What I’m interested in is how people will make builds that go full into DA and nothing in CS, purposely using cloak and dagger to reveal themselves with say tactical strike or whatnot to reveal themselves on purpose. Throw gunk may have situational usage too as it reveals you heck even walking out of SR too quickly

SaltyDave.7346:

alchemyst.2165:

I was excited about the trait in SA where we could take 50% less damage while in stealth…but then I realized…
First off you would have to give up the heal while in stealth. Plus, this trait wont really be useful unless ur immobilized and multiple people are on u and u save yourself with a CnD or blinding powder. That’s one of the FEW scenarios this would be useful in. People wont really attack you while you’re in stealth, they would be more worried about preventing a backstab. Even if they could hit you its most likely a low hitter.
Imo they should have made this into the Last Refuge trait. Blinding powder and take 50% less damage for 3 (4) seconds…that sounds nice.

“Entering stealth grants you 5 second Super-Protection”

fixed

It was, but your wolf Bite Yer Bum kinda made me lol and ruined the feel moment :P

SaltyDave.7346:

Tao.5096:

crit immunity – it’s funny if it’s against thief.

Question is, which trait has higher priority.
Thief 100% crit chance while in stealth, or elementalist’s u can’t crit me.

Garanteed crit doesn’t work on invulerable targets either, so it’s pretty garanteed it won’t work on Eles.

Well actually if you mean invulnerable by taking 0 dmg ala endure pain, you actually still crit, you just crit for 0 damage. Regardless Im upset to say I too think the ele will nullify it.

Terravos.4059:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBj4pEnMzNA

Nope.. no perplex runes here

But just equally as cheesiness

LOL omg when bewildering ambush makes its debut..i only shiver…..

Someone will come in here with an actual build but get ready for a PD build just so you know, maybe with some perplex runes an traits if the 0/0/30/10/30 variety

I actually like them all. Least fav is the stability one

Shadow refuge, at the cost of pseudo regen, now gives us BETTER protection as well as the party. The QQ is real

Travlane.5948:

RedSpectrum.1975:

For once, for the most part..as a thief…I am happy

really? why? thief is getting a HUGE blow and no useable traits.

well the power one MIGHT be used but will mostly offset (MAYBE… havent done math yet but wont be more dmg) the damage loss from zerkers which is morethan 10% according to several other people’s math on other threads.

Well for one of my thoughts since I dont feel like typing too much tonight, Trickey is our condi dmg tree. So if we went with confusion instead of dazing on SD builds, and our condi dmg is already decent thx to trickery, we will literally discourage ppl from attacking us

For once, for the most part..as a thief…I am happy

Reikou.7068:

Zacchary.6183:

Try using all those leet skills and see if you can keep up with the condition spam without Shadow’s Embrace and s/x.

You can’t, and neither can any other class except maybe warrior.

Now, if you want to keep up with condi spam, and rely on something other than skills, you can try Lyssa runes, which synergizes incredibly well with Basilisk Venom. Congrats now you can clear all condis whenever you want, within 45 second intervals.

Qori.9671:

You guys need to get good at switching targets to a little critter mid fight. LOL
5% of one of those 500,000 crits to a rabbit would be a nice little heal =P

OHPEE

Without going into actual numbers, on paper, it seems that the shortbow would benefit from this the most I’d think, to give it more sustain

DarcShriek.5829:

TheReaperTheFourthHorsemen.7894:

Death to the meat sacks

This is a perfect example of why we must rid Tyria of the plague known as sylvari. They are simply…Unreasonable.

I am actually very reasonable. Look over your comment and see the irony.

Did any of you meet the NPC in the cemetery that hates Sylvari now? Shes not the only one…

It says last seen by the Trading Post guys, Raisin Convo was by the bank…..

I understand why we get a lot of it. It will take loads to make an ascended weapon. But not all of us are going for ascended weapons. If the trading post is not an option can we at least sell the dust to vendors? Yeah I could destroy it but honestly how much I come across the stuff and how much inventory space it clogs up, I’m hoping at least everyone can get something for these things

Uh-huh.

I wouldn’t say I am. But in all fairness, I’m very modest. I would argue that I’m one of the most modest people out there. I have seen very few whose potential is held back by the amount of modesty they have surpass my level of modesty. God I’m so modest….

Oh no you’re absolutely right. Believe it or not the devs do come here though, they just for some reason don’t post. I made one thread in which a dev posted and there have been others, albeit few. We have all wondered why they have gone silent.

Have you seen some of the posts that get posted here? They can be rather hateful. We make Tequatl the Sunless able to get a sunburn

Saturn.6591:

Tikitaka.1340:

RedSpectrum.1975:

Tikitaka.1340:

Red, this shealt is the automatic in art shadown

Yeah I know, I was making a point of how for once it did its job and not got you killed

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What he means is, that often (especially as a D/D-Thief) this trait will put you into stealth while you’re attacking someone (usually with autoattacks). Because you are attacking, it will give you the revealed-debuff and thus you can’t stealth when you actually would have wanted to stealth… depending on the situation, this can get you killed. This time (in the video) however, it worked as intended and did save a life instead of taking it.

+1

Gallant Pigeon.5807:

I used to use thieves guild a lot, but would never even think of using it now. The damage output is kinda meh for such a long CD. Most good players (the ones you want to worry about) will doge the scorpion wire and just continue to focus on you. I’ve also found the cast time can open you up to some nasty bursts.

As a condition thief, dagger storm is my go to elite skill. Lots of bleeds and can act as a secondary heal with signet of malice. Also a good counter to someone who just switched to a ranged weapon. Would probably take basilisk venom on a back stab build.

Wow. Much pull. Such CC. Such utility