Unless your team needs help, or an enemy is coming, or there is an enemy near the point, you can recap. If you team needs some help or you’d be forced to duel another class then just decap.
The last game I needed had a team of two rangers a necro and two thieves. My team had a thief (me) an engineer, an ele and two guards. Off of them alone I knew we won. You’re not taking a point off of a DH, and in Capricorn it’s even more hilarious. You’re almost guaranteed to take the bell. Those traps offer so much area lockdown and damage its ridiculous at times.
Those fights would be so epic without having to pre spam your heal 20 seconds before you think you’ll need it. Funny thing is if you can manage to get a reflect up you will wreck so many people spamming ranged auto.
AoE, boons and condis are probably the main issues. Though you can actually feel some lag before the fights even start.
LMAO! “Alright my guts telling me my behind is gonna eat a heavy burst soon so imma queue up dis heal right here, HOLY kitten I was right! And there’s the heal seven seconds later!”
Block, Block, Block, Invulnerable, Invulnerable, Block, 0,0,0,0,0,0,0, block, kittening 0. Why are there so many damage mitigation a in every single match now? It infuriates me that even a class such as the warrior, among the highest base defenses to rival even that of the necromancer, has so much damage neglections for a class that can dish out as much if not more damage than a thief in some cases. You have to one shot them above 50% health because god forbid you proc the damage absorption. But that’s the case with like every class now.
learn to play skillfully rather than frantically smashing your keys?
Stop the bull**it about skillful play or timing. even slight move of foe adds CD. It’s lottery now not a skill. I’m not talking 1v1 fight. In group fight you just cant notice everyones playstyle and etc. so you jump in group expecting at least hit someone and you do nothing instead. in this CC, aoe dmg world this thief nerf is outrageous. Not mentioning crippled gameplay.
And guys, if you play DD or you use thief in pve only where you hit standing NPC, remain silent.
I could agree on dmg reduction of backstab but not this CD.
Why would you agree to that? Backstab is almost a worthless skill now. It’s a skill that requires positioning and now timing (which may possibly never come in the three seconds you have it). Not to mention other classes have skills that hit just as if not harder without the needed positioning. Guardians can make their burns tick for more than a backstab to boot. Heck, vault would almost always be a better option of it weren’t for the fact that you see it coming. With so many passive defenses and just plain dodging, a nerf to BS damage would officially make that move obsolete unless they implemented some secondary effect.
I like this…not dampening your skill but I’m curious how small zeros have trouble taking out like three people… Anyways I’ve been looking for a hybrid build
It has been like this since HoT come. Became more obnoxious since everyone and their mother plays DH now.
They hit so kittening hard. I was literally having an existential crisis. What’s even the point of this class outside of WvW stealth roaming? Besides mobility, every a thief can do another class can do better. Even then I had a Mesmer somehow catch up to me (which I have them props for).
About 80% of my fights were: Invulnerable, invulnerable, invulnerable, block, blockittenk, block, block, invulnerable, evade, 3k, block, block, invulnerable.
In the calmest way possible, what the hell happened to the meta? This was every class except thief minus Bandits defense and the amount of dodging but I was already used to that BS. Warriors I used to be able to take on if I needed, but I have to avoid them now unless one is weak. They can take a lot of damage, neglect a metric kitten ton of damage and deal back the same if not more damage than I can. Guardians are also up there but maybe they’ve always been that way, I forget. It basically seems the only classes I can actually duel are necromancers (still risky), elementalists, and other thieves (still risky if equal or greater experience). Literally everything else either mitigates and bursts you out out sustaines the hell out of you with the sheer amount of blocking and invulnerabilities. You can’t do anything as a thief now, you’re not the highest dps dealer, youre sure as hell not the tankier person on the field.Or maybe I’m just bad.
Had a four month hiatus but I’m back kittenes. This isn’t a joke when I ask, when I go into PvP as a thief I should go around decapping/recapping and ganking right? I remember when I left that at this point other classes can do as much damage as a thief and take less damage than a thief making duels obsolete so I should avoid those unless absolutely necessary right?
Kind of ironic to see this on the thief forums, considering that this has historically been what thieves do to others, except that it’s evade, evade, evade, blind, evade, etc.
However, I agree that this is over the top for some builds like mesmer.
I honestly think that blocks themselves are not bad since it does open up room for unblockable skills and abilities to become useful (hence why warriors are now running Sig of Might), but there’s still a bit of a shortage for unblockable stuff for some classes.
My 2 cents: Make Flanking Strike unblockable once again.
Thing is we can’t evade and do damage at the same time, exceptions being PW and DB and the latter doesn’t have a huge I frame
I’m about to use a build I found for my Tempest ele and sure enough, it wants Cele gear which seems to be popular among elementalists, the problem is the acquisition currently. What armor sets are a good substitute in the mean time?
I now rarely if ever see builds that don’t have the daredevil tree incorporated, are builds without it not viable now or as viable? What does that say about the spec? Is it that good or is it just it gave thieves what they should have had in one tree making it almost essential?
I had this idea as well about focus being an offhand to emphasize the shadowy magic thieves used. The elite spec should heavily emphasize stealth as well
I’m no norn thief but I’d imagine all the staff skills to look exactly the same, same vault animation since they are big humans, auto chain the same too I’d imagine since it ends in a one handed twirl. I could be wrong but I strongly feel that if you look at sylvari/human animations, you’ll get norn for the case of staff
thief is too weak to condis,
suspectible to blind and weakness,
has bad weapon skills,
gets countered by scrapper,chrono, rev, dh, tempest and is outsustained by reaper, druid
In other words, thief all around sucks is what you’re saying
While a quality of life change, I’d prefer them to fix its “problems” of not finishing opponents right as they go down….maybe even make it unblockable >_>
Of course I’m embarrassed as to why I didn’t see the outcome before it happened. With the addition of Daredevil-of which I do have a lot of fun with- they are more and more pushing the thief from the type of fighter it was envisioned as, a stealthy high hitting duelist. It’s now an in-your-face duelist that relies on evasions to survive which, while useful, your opponent can still bait them and attack accordingly and due to power and defense creeps on other classes, they will hit you harder while you hit them softer, and we cannot normally trade hits. The original fighting style of the thief, the stealth fighter, has been secondarily nerfed since other styles from other classes have become stronger. Stealth was by far out best option for damage avoidance simply since we couldn’t be seen. Now that’s barely viable, DP thieves only stealth just to get out a backstab, not for its utility. Even when I DP in PvP, I use more Shadow Shots than Backstabs since I’ve seen it hit for 7k before. Might as well change the name from thief to martial artist at this point unless the next elite spec emphasizes, utilizes, and weaponizes stealth in ways only a thief can manage.
The bows make no sense to me, the only safe part to hold is smaller than flea’s pinky compared to the dangerous plasma, don’t get me wrong, it’s creative, but even still
I’ll also be sure to bump this as well. It’s ridiculous, it’s not like we want a 30% increase, all we want is a heal to heal for the 10% they said they would make it do.
Forgive my deep lack of lore knowledge but, Shiro wasn’t evil? Yeah he caused the Jade Wind and killed the emperor but wasn’t he tricked/decieved into doing so? Before that I thought he was a very respectful and loyal assassin
Attention all thieves…Your usefulness in raids is being “questioned” by the gw2 community as they claim we “bring nothing special” to the 10 mans.
Please don’t be surprised if you are shunned or neglected when the patch releases.
If you go to the dungeons/fractals section of the forums, there’s a question on what each profession brings to the raids and from the looks of the replies, it seems our attendance to ten mans are not desired as with other professions.
I tried my best to fight for our viable spot but was meet with negative resistance.
They cried to have us nerfed and now they condemn us for not bringing anything to the table, they even assault our numbers in the dps bracket.
This needs to be brought to the attention of ANET asap, or have a representative set the record straight on “what can a thief bring to the raid that makes their attendance UNIQUE”.
Ty thief community
You did good son, you did good. Now rest you weary eyes.
I also vote Finishing Blow to ignore Invulnerability (not evade or block) and blind, you can still stomp when blinded (yes I am aware stomping is not an attack, it is an action, I don’t care.) Maybe even make the first hit a 1s stun instead of a 2s daze. Emphasis on ignoring invuln since if your target goes down right as it is about to hit, the natural invulnerability negates it.
I mean reading this thread it seems I’m the only one who just runs past them, and I don’t even use shortbow in PvE on my daredevil. But that’s all you need. Trick shot will wittle a few down as they are the very definition of glasscannon. Throw some clusterbombs in there and be sure to evade to the opposite side of the pack when they close in. If you really want to, dagger storm will produce numbers everywhere >:D
The only yell I like is when using Jade Wind: “AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHAHAHAHA”
But I really like Mallyx’s dialogue when not growling: “Now I shall feast upon their anguish!” “Now they will witness true ultimate power!”
While the Dunning-Kruger effect is very much real, Anets matchmaking that will actively try to make you lose to keep your w/l rate at an even 50% is also very much real. Its quite understandable that this system gets under the skin of many people.
Lol I’m not even going to lie, my unranked W/L is 50.7%, I personally know I perform well a majority of the time, but as mentioned, the individual doesn’t matter and ultimately I find myself taking a large chunk of the responsibility for a loss. Perhaps I should’ve decapped more, perhaps I should not have spent 2 minutes fighting that warrior or guardian. Even if you are at the top of the scoreboards, there is still someway you could’ve done better whether it mattered in the end or not.
Did you just purchase HoT? And I mostly agree, the classes did seem to become much more powerful but I won’t say Daredevil is bad, it just isn’t usually on par with other elites. I do admit I have a blast with Staff P/P but other elite specs like reaper and herald and tempest are really fun, those are the ones I’ve tried at least
And talking like that is why the devs probably don’t believe in this class
Please stop with this argument. It’s just not true.
Since day one a LOT of players gave insightful feedback of what was broken-OP and what was under-par about the thief class, without resorting to insult or arrogant behaviour.
No dev gave a kitten about that. So there comes a time when the patience is over, and NOT due to playerbase’s fault.
And perhaps you’re right, but negativity sure as he’ll isn’t going to help us anymore than we are right now (and we aren’t)
If the devs are withholding support and development of the game on the basis of our “attitudes,” then they’re idiots. Are you suggesting that “if we behave” daddy will reward us?
No I’m suggesting that if daddy is harassed by all of your siblings for the same things instead of you harassing each other, then daddy may listen. But if daddy hears you arguing, he won’t know what the hell needs attention.
Generally people do not start off negative but over time will get there when resolution is not met by a service provider.
In the case of a MMO we’ve witnessed tons of positive feedback and suggestions go ignored for years. This is happening in ALL phases of the game and classes btw. After awhile people will stop being nice and it’s the developers job to be understanding in this. Unfortunately I’ve seen some alarming behaviors from this team.
So you cant really fault players who’ve done it the correct way for years who finally lose their cool. You need to blame the source.
This. Arenanet is exceptionally bad at responding to feedback in any way whatsoever, particularly when it comes to class balance. I’m not sure if it has to do with the balance people themselves or if it comes from somewhere in management, but Karl’s presence on these forums is way, way, way less than it should be.
Something like this should have been addressed months ago.
Make no mistake, their silence has made me angry before and it sure as skritt is not amusing me now.
And talking like that is why the devs probably don’t believe in this class
Please stop with this argument. It’s just not true.
Since day one a LOT of players gave insightful feedback of what was broken-OP and what was under-par about the thief class, without resorting to insult or arrogant behaviour.
No dev gave a kitten about that. So there comes a time when the patience is over, and NOT due to playerbase’s fault.
And perhaps you’re right, but negativity sure as he’ll isn’t going to help us anymore than we are right now (and we aren’t)
If the devs are withholding support and development of the game on the basis of our “attitudes,” then they’re idiots. Are you suggesting that “if we behave” daddy will reward us?
No I’m suggesting that if daddy is harassed by all of your siblings for the same things instead of you harassing each other, then daddy may listen. But if daddy hears you arguing, he won’t know what the hell needs attention.
that would be nice but i think this would make thief from being a class with very little/clunky condi clear to a class with an op condi clear which makes it mandatory for every build. unfortunately i cant think of a good middle way :/
Especially since DD lets you take your endurance bar for granted. In PvE I don’t even roll signet of shadows anymore on my DD, I just need dash, it’s freaking awesome, even in battle I rarely run out of endurance if I’m just even a tiny bit diligent, and if I do, signet if agility….a clear on dodge would make us immune to conditions
Adding an internal cooldown of 3 second won’t make it any more op than other class abilities.
that would be nice but i think this would make thief from being a class with very little/clunky condi clear to a class with an op condi clear which makes it mandatory for every build. unfortunately i cant think of a good middle way :/
Especially since DD lets you take your endurance bar for granted. In PvE I don’t even roll signet of shadows anymore on my DD, I just need dash, it’s freaking awesome, even in battle I rarely run out of endurance if I’m just even a tiny bit diligent, and if I do, signet if agility….a clear on dodge would make us immune to conditions
