Oh and of course it is touch based so it only effects one player and a thief has to get up close and personal to deliver it. There are entire classes/builds that D/D thieves avoid now.
This is so true. When running d/d here are things I avoid 1v1 because I know I will lose:
-any guardian (especially DH)
-any engi
-condi mesmer
-druid
-any non staff ele
funny thing about DH, I was dueling my wife and she got kittened at me because she simply couldn’t beat me (thief v thief) so she jumped on her Guardian, speced to DH, which she has never played, and proceeded to absolutely wreck my kitten. She’s not good at pvp.
lol ur just bad. Thief is op. I rek gards day in and day out, u jus gotta lern to pleh. Use shirtbow and kite kite kite and then wen they maek a mistake then u swich to dager and burst tem down. Tis class is braynded. And dun ask wut a mistake wood be bcuz if u were gud ud no wut a mistake a gard wood make wood lok liek
No, all it needs is a nerf.
Other skills from thief aswell , like tactical strike (the daze is just too good) , larcenous strike (lol 1 boonsteal on NO cooldown).
And stealth-dodge thieves…this needs to be removed or toned down. Perma stealth + perma evade + perma blind + perma backstab is just too much in one built.
Lol at you guys asking for buffs, get real. This noskill profession is overpowered, and I’m not the only one who thinks this way. Ask anyone in lionsarch.
kitten kitten kitten kitten mother kitten kitten he’s kitten right, what the heck was I even thinking? This class is brain dead and I can literally drag my face across the keyboard to kill people. Backstab is fine just how it is
I recently did a thing today in which I did Double Strike AND evaded at the same fuggin time. That’s OP as kitten. No other class can do that. Why does this profession exist still? No one plays it, there were 8 professions at launch and there are 8 now. kittening hit a rabbit yesterday for 300k damage, no one class should be able to pull that kitten off, it’s kittening disrespectful and ludicrous
D/D, Shortbow, P/P, S/D have all seen a decline in capability. The trait line changes a year ago gutted a huge portion of thief capability. DareDevil while fun to play is one of the least effective elites as far as combat effectiveness. Call it whining if you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that ANet nerfed this class so hard that it cannot even be considered a decent dueling class which was its original design premise.
Those left playing the thief are mostly +1 with fast travel and generally dislike the play style of other classes so they stay in this class.
Actually I’d say P/P is in the best it’s ever been thanks to DD, sans ricochet of course. And shortbow I believe hasn’t really been affected, though ironic how one of the nerfs for it was giving one of its skills initial damage. Of all of those Id say D/D has, by far, the biggest empire of dirt of them all. Nothing has been done to bring it back from the depths and quite frankly, unless the new elite spec harnesses and masters the sheer power of stealth, I don’t think my beloved D/D is coming back
I just think it needs to do more damage. It got an indirect damage nerf with the ferocity change and hasn’t been brought back up from that. And it is expected to be on par with skills such as Eviscerate now? I think a damage buff is all it really needs. When I play D/P I don’t even use it as a staple bursting attack as much as I used to. Why should I? Shadow Shot hits nearly, sometimes just as hard as a rightly positioned backstab AND offers a blind.
dash – remove 3 condition which are most hated by thief
trick withraw and RFI – will remove those 3 and 2 more if traited
stealth SA – will remove dmg conditions
SS – remove 3 condition
sword#2 remove 1 condition can be spammble
thief got less massive condition cleanse but can clean with a lot of skills
so guard may cleanse every 40 sec with 2 skills F2 and utility but thats it usually
We’re also one of the harder classes to apply conditions to in the first place (at least when we’re not trying to brawl).
I was going to correct you, then I read the parenthesis, and decided to quote you instead and wrote how I was going to correct you until I saw what you wrote in the parenthesis
As a veteran thief I’ll say this: if you enjoy the class and perform well with it, stick with it. While extreme however, they aren’t wrong. Spvp is an area we are the worst in, whereas WvW we are still roamers, but you’ll have a difficult time against an experienced roamer of another class. As for PvE, it’s not like we are terrible, it’s just that there are better options- I hate to say it. There are other class options that can take a hit and still offer the same amount, if not more dps.
How have I just now seen this thread? I agree one thousand percent. You hit the nail on the head with CiS, DP had no need for it, the set naturally blinds the kitten outta people anyway. It was used to avoid a potentially hard hit after stealth that the person would likely panic out. And now with the sheer amount of blocks,invulnerables, dmg mitigation etc. cloak and dagger is too risky to pull off, especially since other classes can hit viciously now. D/D was also my favorite set, heck it was our iconic weapon set, and they killed it. I’ll miss the sister brawler builds X/30/30/X/X, but immense luck if you try them now.
EDIT: And I know I used 30 traits points instead of 6, that’s how far these builds went back, how many memories they’ve spawned. It was my WvW, PvP, and PvE
I can’t watch the video yet but, does this build get destroyed by conditions? That’s the only reason I have rarely used impacting disruption over escapists absolution
Lol I was laughing at that one guy who was going to stomp your teammate, and not only did you interrupt him, but you stomped him in the same combo. That’s rage inducing. I really want to use staff in pvp but I’ll give SD a whirl with DD as well
Thanks Johand, Processes reads *32 so I must’ve not copied right? I pasted the GW2-64-bit in the gw2 file, does this look right at all? I right clicked on GW2 and hit open file location and then pasted the client in there
…How do we know if the game is running it?
I started the download and stopped once I saw 330k files, which is the whole game. And Gaile just said we don’t have to run the whole game, just transfer it to the GW2 file. So being the computer illiterate person I am, I copied the GW2-64 bit <—-exact name file and opened up the vanilla GW2 file and pasted it in there. Mind you two OTHER files appeared along with the 64 bit, a .dat and a .tmp, should I have copied those as well to the GW2 file or is this good as is? A booted GW2 and there were about 1k files to download, I haven’t played the last two days so I assume that was just an update I missed? And the game seemed fairly normal for the three minutes I was able to try it.
How do we know if we downloaded it, or did I do something wrong?
I would say that Necromancer could make bat wings out of a corpse and Mesmer can cast any illusion they want to make them look everything.
I say the same thing. I use this same excuse for the Lunatic Guard outfit too, if you’re a mesmer, you can make anyone think you look like something you’re not.
as rule of thumb, all races and all classes are technically capable of using magic, its more a matter of personal preference and game mechanics which stop them from using more, for lack of a better term “mainstream magic” . the berzerker is an example of allowing the warrior’s rage and adrenaline to tap into the more primal aspects of Fire and earth magic more often associated with elementalists
Yeah that’s what I meant, I figured they didn’t care to use magic. But by what you’re saying, they tend to utilize Destruction magic?
Thus, if two thieves were to + 1 a 3v5, it would still be 3 + 2T < 5 .
It also proves that a thief + 1’ing a 0v1 the opponent would still be at advantage, since 0 + T vs 1 -> T < 1 as shown above.
We just need a fight were X+T = Y to solve for T… and find out the true value of T (or rather, Thieves)
Unfortunately, it gets more complicated than that. Sometimes, T is actually negative. We must take the number of opponents into account.
t: Thief
a: Ally
o: Opponent
a = o
If xo <= 1o, then t > 0
If xo > 1o, then t < 0
so…
t + 1a > 1o
but…
t + 2a < 2o
But even that doesn’t tell the whole story. We have yet to even get into the value of a Thief with low health… and don’t even get me started on how much a downed Thief will cost your team. It’s deducts at least 0.5 from your total… probably closer to a full 1!
That mathematical model seems rather flawed, Dr. Kage.
For the first is done when you set a = o.
If we accept all that, then
t + 1a > 1o
and
t + 2a < 2o
Become
t + 1a > 1a
and
t + 2a < 2a
Since a = o.
We can then divide both sides by 2 on the second inequality:
t + a > a
and
(t + 2a)/2 < a
Factor out t from the second equation:
t/2 +2a/2 < a
The 2’s cancel out, resulting in:
t/2 +a < a
and
t + a > a
These statements would make it impossible for t to be anything but 0. However we’ve already proven that t is 0 < t < 1.
My least favorite part of MMOs is how they have these unique classes/jobs and they don’t explain literally any of it. you’re a necromancer? Cool, you steal the souls of the dead. No one seems to care or really notice that you do this, but when a dragon does it its a HUGE DEAL. Then suddenly you learn to use a greatsword. Okay, not a big deal for you I guess.
The NPCs (that if you didn’t participate in season 1 and just magically appear as part of the story) have a better back story than you. Even better, the little pieces of backstory about your character are finished a few hours into the game. Plus any remaining character development you can control (personality) was removed.
You appear out of nowhere, kill great evil, and that’s it. I’ll give anet credit. It’s not as bad as with WoW where you literally appear fully grown out of nowhere and routinely murder world-threatening creatures only to be completely disconnected and unacknowledged in the story. But at this point that’s exactly where characters are heading. I don’t have a home, I don’t have any side stories, I have friends I’VE NEVER MET BEFORE.
I guess to sum it up my problem with it is that you as a character aren’t the focus and that sucks. There was some of that in the beginning, now there is hardly any. Ex: Charr can save their father/friend and never see them again. Why not? Isn’t that a little side thing worth pursuing or mentioning?
/end rant
Zhaitan necromancy and player necromancy are actually two different necromancies. Players weave flesh and bone to make mindless minions, Zhaitan literally brings back the dead, soul and all, under his corruption.
The main things I want:
Shadows Embrace to be a cure all back, yeah it cures damaging conditions but HiS cures three already so SE was an awesome condi cleanse for us. Besides in PvP I find my self dying to immobilize second most of the time, condition wise.
Acro tree to be fixed but every thief wants this, though with daredevil it’s almost useless as a tree so they could revamp it(?)
More defensive options period or ways to bypass defense. We cannot duel in traditional PvP setting for a couple of reasons: the other may be too defensive and able to get out just as much if not more damage than the thief, or if you are winning, that fight probably took a couple of minutes in which case the other team already capped all points and you were negatively stalling GG. Have a trait where we do more damage per boon on target. If opponent is blocking, deal damage as normal if hitting from behind or the side.
Said it once I’ll say it again, Shiro Tagachi on Revenant was what thief should have been
Even still, no matter the class, pocket raptors will break you if you aren’t careful. A pro tip for mushroom kings guys since we can’t afford to be dive bombed by them, you’ll see a red ring indicating the area they will dive bomb obviously. Careful, if you leave that ring too early as they are getting the jump ready, they will literally ignore the ring and jump outside of it to get you
Rytlock came back as a revenant, could there be a way that Eir returns as a druid?
I can’t list anything specific, druids deal with healing, maybe she brings herself back, I really don’t know, just wishful thinking
Rytlock didn’t die. Saying someone came back as a revenant is redundant anyway. The definition of a revenant is someone who disappears via death, went missing, abandonment, etc. and then comes back, that’s why the class is called what it is called because Rytlock is literally a revenant, even if he didn’t have new powers he would still be one.
Not fully crashing, but ever since launch does anyone else get those random times your game freezes and you waiting for a couple minutes for it to fix itself as you helplessly hear your character getting the skritt kicked out of them?
Popping in here again to say, I’m currently leveling a second thief(RedSpectrum what??) since I want a straictly no-stealth thief and have a lot of thiefy gear on my main. So I’m leveling up using sword dagger and I noticed something that is quite…annoying. I know I said it above but I literally had this happen so many times yesterday. When performing flanking strike, half the time do I actually go straight to larcenous strike. The other half I let the auto attack do some damage, then do larcenous strike. Well when I let the AA do its work and then activate LS, my character pauses for a bit as if they are confused what to do, then they do LS. Pefect example of what the OP was talking about. Further more, skills that interrupt the AA chain will go off instantly. If AAing and you use, say CnD during an attack animation it will insta cancel and use CnD as it should. But using skills right after an attack has finished will get some nasty hesitation from the character and I think LS has by the far the worst of it.
You know when they added the jump pads I wasn’t a big fan of them, what’s the point in giving our characters legs if you don’t want us to use them? Well I held my pride and ran from the bank to the TP and as much as I hate to admit it, it got tedious…..then this build came. Why was I running anything else? With the sheer seconds I have shaved off with my cyclic running thanks to this build, those extra few minutes have gone into me being more productive like…complaining on the forums before I go to bed.
Someone whispered saying “kitten gurl how you’d get so fast? I don’t wanna use the jump pads because, well we got legs ya know?” I directed them to this build. This right here is the saving grace this class needed. ZeroDay, you’ve out done yourself.
I think the grunting is fine but too common
compared to other dialogue. My revenant is female so it sends awesome shivers when channeling Mallyx once every eight times to hear from her own mouth, " Now I shall feast upon their anguish !
Steal endurance of X amount on players as well? I don’t know just a little something that popped into my mind. We aren’t in the best spot when it doingskirmishes and this would give us more control over the enemy. However with sleight, bountiful theft, thrill and maybe a mug thrown in there steal may already do too much to have this buff.
That was actually a very well done post Matthew; it’s awesome to actually hear a devs take on this, let alone a dev who shared the same mindset. You did offer really good insight as to why it would be difficult to just implement this topic into the story.
Don’t care if it’s been said over an over, we get steal ready, if not that than Infiltrator’s Signet if it’s on the bar, Shadow Step is a last resort since it is considerably more difficult to pull off since if you are stomping a thief like me who has a general idea of where your bar is, I’ll port at the utmost last second making it so that you’d need unholy reflexes to turn your camera and cast shadowstep near me. If I am the stomper and have to use shadowstep I precast it and get it ready in a general area- a lot, far too many thieves shadow escape way too early making it extremely easy. But then there are some who like me will wait til nearly the last second in which I will quickly move my mouse and click to attempt to finish the stomp. Last millisecond shadowstep stomps for me like that are 50% successful since the amount of time you have to kitten where you opponent is, move the mouse and click (I use ground targeting) before your character reaches the ground during the stomp animation is extremely small. However as Impact said, the situation needs to call for it since Shadow step is a valuable utility that’d I’d rather not waste on a stomp
Also worth noting that there is a very small window of time if you are the downed one to where even if they have an insta-blink ready, you can still make them miss the stomp. At the uttermost last second right before the stomp, even if they are ready, you can shadow escape to watch them port to you but they’d already be in the ground at the end of the animation, happened quite a few times for me on both sides of the spectrum
I think this was always there. I’m not saying it doesn’t need fixing but I do remember a lot of the times when I rolled sword in pvp, letting the swig continue to finish and then immediately doing another skill had a slight delay. However I cannot say I noticed between the auto attack itself, I do press the auto attack key since I find it far too unreliable to rely on my character to start attacking by themselves but maybe you do the same thing?
Well I’d think a /grin would be too subtle to bother doing, and I mean it seems like the emotes cover basic people interraction, but I definitely see where you are headed with the narrative, and as I said I agree. At this point writing is done but maybe the next LS iteration/ expansion they’d try something new
I’m sorry I can’t give you any meaningful answers, I just wanted to say bravo. I thought Malchor’s Leap was the worst map in the game…then they gave us this map, this freaking map
Also one of the claimers. Expanding on the fact that donations are greatly appreciated. As it stands we are all busy with our own agendas revolving around the expansion as we gear new characters or strengthen our existing ones so having resources may be scarce for most, including myself, but once settled in, donations will be immensely appreciated and needed. The guild exists for -you- guys so the sooner we get arenas and buffs the better. Any sort of decorative guidance or donation allocation questions can be mailed to me in-game. Otherwise the guild founder spends 80% of his time in game in our hall upon his throne of deceit and lies, you can talk to him then
Somewhat relevant, while many may not agree (I am indifferent about suicide in game to strengthen narrative) I do feel like realistic emotions are….absent. The story mission pre-HoT where you are becoming commander and you mess up and blow your own troops to pieces, the PC feels hardly a shred of remorse, they just shrug that off, how? No one is leaving that situation the same person. Also when you opt to kill Nekandezzar instead of getting the charr pilot, you get there just a second too late, and no one acknowledges or feels guilty about that, the PC and Laranthir say but a few words and move on. When the undead norm Hunter was picking off the people around the PC one by one and you kill him, the PC seems unaffected by the encounter, not shaken up one bit.
I understand you’re supposed to be heroic but heroes have feelings and flaws too, and mainly the one about killing your own troops, I find it hard to accept that that was just a minor set back.
