Guild Wars 2

Otokomae.9356:

Reverence.6915:

Jeknar.6184:

McWolfy.5924:

Btw a if they work on a dota mode i wont be angry (+wvw map ofc)

No plz…

yes pls…

Just replace the “Conquest Circles” in sPvP with the DotA 2 concepts of lanes and destroying structures, but keep GW2’s combat system. I mean, sPvP is already basically a MOBA, it’s just a bad one…

The concept isn’t new. Check out the game Smite. 3d 3rd person moba.

Kanebrake.6192:

McWolfy.5924:

Reduced gem cost wont encurage players to play

No but it will allow the population to redistribute to lower tier servers and reinvigorate wvw. Right now no serious wvw players are going to drop down to t5-8 because there’s absolutely nothing to do and it’s a huge waste of time and money.

It won’t change the ‘nothing to do’ part if they lower transfer prices. I agree transfer prices need to be looked at, but it won’t fix the root of the problem – lack of updates and dev support causing players to get bored

Yeah… I’ve given up on spending that much a long time ago. If WvW is designed to be a gold sink, there needs to at least be more incentive to play it so we get healthier populations.

Jeknar.6184:

McWolfy.5924:

Btw a if they work on a dota mode i wont be angry (+wvw map ofc)

No plz…

yes pls…

Halvorn.9831:

We have had a match recently, where a server 5 positions further up the ladder was part of the match.

We had problems even getting out of our spawn, no matter what time of day (we tend to have a rather active night team). Now if thats what the difference is between position 14 and 19, I am sure it is the same between 8 and 14 and between 1 and 8. I don’t think I overestimate T1 population. Between top and bottom there is such a huuuuuuuuuge population difference it is not even funny anymore.

And on a side-note @Hvaran: I don’t even care anymore for the score. That’s not what I play this unbalanced stuff for. However I do love situations where you try to defend a keep with an outnumbered public group against a growing number of attackers, then just before you are going to lose that one guild group arrives and you can turn the tide of the battle. I have played GW1 but could never get into GvG, didn’t like it at all. WvW however still can be filled with those epic moments for me. I don’t want to lose that.

You underestimate the fairweather effect. The amount of players that come out in a good matchup is huge, as is the effect on the matchup when they think it’s pointless to come out to play, which skews the actual populations wildly.

I’ve travelled up and down the tiers on both EU and NA and during their respective prime times, the populations are remarkably similar for every bracket. It takes 6-9 ranks before there’s any significant population difference of around 30-50 people. Starting with 80-120 on reset night on the very bottom tier with population increasing 30-50 people every 6-9 ranks. Yes, a 5 rank gap will have a difference, but the difference isn’t huge when both servers have their fairweathers out. If T3 can queue 2-3 maps on a reset night, there’s very little difference in NA population to T1, which on NA servers at least, only queued 2-3 maps on reset night this 31/10 matchup.

Remember that during seasons, servers all the way down to T6 or T7 can queue all 4 maps on the first reset night. The prime time population is there and can support a GvG mode. It’s the other time slots that make the difference.

Halvorn.9831:

I am sure GvG would not have such an impact on busy T1 servers, but down here – where WvW still can be fun at times – it will.

You overestimate the population on T1 servers. T1 has more coverage overall, but not necessarily more players during NA prime. I think it’ll take away a good chunk of players away from WvW on a regular basis regardless of what rank your server is

DriV.6203:

uberkingkong.8041:

EotM players are like excellent chess players

oh realy?! I realy do think you are trolling but well, i will still respond to this.

Most of EotM players do not even understand what to do in EotM. Half of those sheeps in blob are repeatedly almost insta-killed by lord with 5min buff… Just face it! EotM players are just pve scrubs who turn around with keyboards keys and dodge with double clicks. They are not excellent chess players at all, LOL. As for EotM commanders. Well, most of those commanders are shipped straight from PvE champion train. I have never seen a nice push from EoTM commander. Hiding and fast capping while passively moving away from enemy zerg, yes i saw that alot.

And when those up level nubs get erased by some angry veterans or a guild, they can just switch EotM map to find another greener everflow with fast-paced strategy capping (ehm, karma train).

You will find the occasional WvW commander in EoTM and they usually do really well in both fights and karma training. Sometimes I tag up in EoTM on my alt to level it up faster cause whoever was tagged up before only wanted fights or only was avoiding fights and trying to back cap. You need a nice mix of both to keep things interesting.

lordkrall.7241:

I am fully aware of that. But claiming nothing came from them is quite clearly blatantly false, since there are changes made based on those discussions.

People also have to keep in mind that things takes time and might simply not work out the way the forum community wants them to work.

Again, nothing meaningful came out of the CDIs for WvW. WvW updates that do get rolled out increasingly promotes zerging and allowing whichever server that has more people online at the time to roll through everything, with the sole exception of siege disablers, that merely delays the inevitable due to the supply cost of using them.

WvW is still the “niche” game mode, when it could’ve been the main game mode that so many people bought this game for, especially DAoC vets (which I’m admittedly am not). It just severely lacks any kind of dev support or dev attention and is extremely obvious when you see how few red posts are in the WvW forums compared to any other forum. They even removed the one thing that actually gelled the WvW community together – the matchup forums, because they aren’t willing to put in a little extra effort to get moderators for the forum, even though it was the most active category of their entire forum, with thousands of posts a day at its peak.

lordkrall.7241:

The commander changes ARE meaningful and they are a direct result of the CDIs.

I suggest you go back and skim through the Commander CDI. Hundreds of valid suggestions were brought forward that would’ve made commanding drastically easier, including macro commands and better commander tools (something more than /squadinfo or /supplyinfo). Instead of those really good suggestions, we got commander colour tags, a watered down version of what was suggested, which was guild commander tags using the guild emblem as the icon and such… It’s a kick in the gut basically, for long term WvW players.

I’m a fan of ANet’s game, but the lack of dev support for WvW is making me look elsewhere for my go-to MMO.

Lauri.1342:

We are in era of “no one cares about PPT”.

This is a good thing. The PPT metric is not working and playing for PPT only causes burnout and boredom. People who claim to play for PPT rarely tag up and lead for hours on end trying to maintain or gain PPT. Commanders who have been there and done that have much more fun commanding combat and look for fights.

PPK needs to be introduced sooner and must not count when siege damage is involved. Only pure player vs player. It would still favour the bigger server, but it means that if the smaller server is really good at zerging and fighting, they could get a serious edge.

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Hi my name is clove and I need your help tyria. I am stranded on horrible yaks bandwagon and my guild has abandoned me for typing like this. I am seeking refuge on any server. I can provide great help with WvW and I am a great commander to the pugs, as well as run yaks and cap camps. Please help me. Any donation is greatly appreciated. I love WvW. Main is necro and guard. Thank you for reading this far. Any donations would help

Yeah… No. Type like a ckufing human being next time you ‘special’ person

We haven’t seen meaningful change in WvW from the CDIs. All the changes are happening in the other game modes while we watch WvW die a slow death

I enjoyed Silverwastes immensely and wondered why the yak/supply mechanic there wasn’t used for WvW in the first place. Supply camps are a nice idea and all, but it just doesn’t work well when it takes only 1 person a couple minutes at most to take it. Much better to just have constant supply yaks running out of spawn towards objectives you own at a decent run speed. The spawning enemies on the yaks path also will make yak walking much more interesting than the occasional centaur or krait.

You want something other than berserker gear to be optimal? Go PvP.

Open world PvE has always been about the DPS race, regardless of which game you came from.

Would love for dwarves to make a reappearance. Tengu is the most obvious choice for the next race though. LEAD US TO CANTHA

Zenith.6403:

lorndarken.3702:

but what about the pvp players ?

- I don’t understand why do you keep playing this game if you don’t care for living story and grinding, which are the obvious focus for Arenanet. There are tons of actual PvP games you could be playing.

Because the combat mechanics in this game combined with the foundations of the game modes are solid as hell and better than the majority of games out there for PvP, MOBA and FPS games not included.

http://gw2blackgate.com/forum/index.php?/forum/11-guild-announcements-recruiting/

TC could potentially win vs BG right now, but JQ can’t due to lack of decent sized NA guilds and leadership.

Queues are a relic of the past in T1. This Halloween reset saw only 2 queued maps for BG, same for TC, not sure for JQ. If you’re after the big 30-40 man zergs (sometimes more) fighting each other, then come on over. Just be prepared for how quiet it is outside of prime times. Especially EU-NA and NA-OCX gaps lack significant populations. Once it hits prime though, the populations pick up and the action picks up dramatically.

TC has a few guilds raiding during your prime time. BG has a couple. Not sure for JQ. Would steer you towards JQ as they are in need of NA players right now

Man this PVE player is toxic as hell, coming onto the WvW forum calling us bungholes for actually wanting to play the game mode. You know, actually PvPing

I recommend you check out Karma [KA]. Seems to be a great casual guild to run with from observations during the times I fight them

Welcome to the new members of FL. Always room for more!

We need murder holes on the walls, dropping rocks that knock down players in an AoE range similar to burning oil

JQ has a few large guilds on at that time and has for quite some time, been quite dominant in that time zone. BG and TC has sizeable opposition to it, but BG oceanic guilds are PvX and TC can’t quite match the numbers, though both can hold their own without too much difficulty

Does a slightly different red tag really excite people that much that they’d prefer it over a balanced matchup? Really?

Just gtfo of WvW, thanks

insanemaniac.2456:

instead of removing it, how about rebalancing it to reward fighting as much as it currently rewards pveing?

You won’t be able to promote fights in EoTM as there is no central voice comms to use. Trying to fight without comms is like playing sports blind and with hands tied behind your back. It just devolves into whoever has more people and whoever can build arrow carts the fastest

EoTM was used for fights early on, but it soon died out to crappy map design for combat. Pretty as hell, but when combat becomes about who can keep stability up for longer or who can kite the other into siege, it becomes pointless.

Never underestimate the fairweather effect. You could have 4 queued maps one week to outnumbered on 3 maps the next.

Nishant.5283:

oh. but i’ve tried WTFast, it does not work really. i dont have a card, cant pay these services. are there any free ones?

Nope. Have you tried the EU servers? You should compare the latency from both regions.

Frostroses.4196:

I recently just read news about the mmo "W*W " receive a new server located in australia for their oceanic playerbase, it’s their first server there. If it took them ~10 years to do that, how long do you think it’ll happen for us?

You mean Diablo 3? WoW had Australian servers since the start

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Having been around MMOs since the late 90s, there’s very few games that get things ‘right’. Jagex did great with Runescape for a while but failed to continue providing (I still believe RS has the greatest questing system of any MMO). WoW came along and made a lot of noise and became the industry standard. The first iteration of FF14 showed us what not to do.

GW2 also does a lot right as an MMO. It is the game setting industry standards today with the combat and fast travel system, not new, but changed enough to be as convenient as possible and responsive as possible.

Updates might be slow, but a lot of that is being compared to games still following the WoW model, while GW2 is on a completely different content delivery model. Just look at Nexon’s Maplestory and their attempt at living world, taking 6-8 months before releasing anything substantial, while recycling older content as fillers, a schedule that seems to be pretty consistent with GW2. Nexon also had a lot longer to produce enough content to start recycling.

All in all, I don’t think the apple has fallen too far with GW2. The game aims to put everyone on an equal footing, allowing the different types of MMO gamers to mix while being pretty successful at catering to all of them, with only a minority having consumed the content at such a pace that they get bored with the slower than average content updates.

Which server you pick affects your WvW experience quite dramatically. I’d say pick any server to start but be prepared to change servers if you ever start enjoying WvW IF the server you picked isn’t for you (whether it’s too populated or not populated enough)

Stability and stun-breaks yo

Try using a VPN.

Playing China GW2 from Australia gives me more ping than the NA servers. Sad situation.

EU needs to get together to sort out a T1/T2 system similar to what the NA servers have. Yes, you get “stale” matchups, but at least the winning position rotates. People need to man up to transfer servers in order to fight the biggest server.

Do keep in mind, a lot of NA would love to have the EU matchup variations.

What tier are you in?

T1 OCX is pretty blobby with very few roamers, but I generally get my guild and myself (3-5 people) to hit whatever the kitten is on the map that isn’t ours. This includes fully upgraded keeps. Just for lulz.

EBG always has fights but the zergs there are… meh

The final option is to do some commanding yourself. Commanding really opens up the game as it requires you to understand the mechanics of the different classes well enough to let you utilise them to their potential. Mind you, pugmanding can be pretty frustrating, but that can be fun in its own right. Like herding unruly cats.

Johje Holan.4607:

The OP’edness involves might stacking right?

Not really. D/D doesn’t really stack might but uses evades and targeted burst damage to wear someone down. That’s how I play it anyway. You just need 1 stack of might to get them strength runes working

Arius.7031:

Reverence.6915:

OP as kitten and one of the best counters against the cancer condi meta we have these days

This. My advice is don’t do it, cele is as much a crutch as PU is for Mesmers. Go glassier, have fun and get better at the class than cele will let you imo. But it’s definitely funny destroying all the super cheese builds out there.

I started with zerk d/d but changed to celestial to better sustain through all the condi builds I run into. Not really fun when your entire 14k HP (with guard stacks) gets zero’d in around 0.5 seconds by stacking condi and CC. Would still recommend Celestial, as long as people keep playing condi. And why the hell not. Punish people for using dat cheese

As someone who’s been playing since launch with around 3k hours logged, I’d say that gw2 isn’t repetitve or boring at all. I mainly play WvW (around rank 1400, a few ranks admittedly gained in EoTM) but dabble in fractals (only level 12 still for that), sPvP (low rank still, only rank 17), dungeons, living story and world boss trains occasionally. Hell, I’ve yet to do an Arah dungeon path or complete the aetherblade TA path. I still log on and think ‘kitten ot enough time to do that tonight’.

People not expanding into other game modes will most definitely get bored. You’re not experiencing the game as a whole but just a small fraction of it. What do you expect? Eat too much chocolate and you’ll get sick of that too, no matter how many different flavours and variations you try. No wonder they’ll complain

That said, development into areas outside of PvE is sorely needed. PvE gets all the attention and WvW and sPvP are crying out for more maps and changes. Especially WvW. We WvW players haven’t gotten anything substantial since they added wxp ranks and masteries

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OP as kitten and one of the best counters against the cancer condi meta we have these days

That’s a stupid question. I’m pretty sure there’s a stall somewhere in Tyria selling Dolyak Kebabs as we speak!

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I hear Black Gate is beautiful this time of year.

Really? Have you seen the scores? Lol

Foghladha.2506:

If they push into first then they adopt the 1st place debuffs. The side with the lowest score would be able to counter assaults better and assault the 1st place team easier than they would the 2nd place team. This would be a dynamic system so if 3rd place replaces 1st place on wednesday they are now the 1st place and have those debuffs, while the new 3rd place gets the buffs.

What you mention “What should happen is more incentive for 2nd and 3rd place to attack 1st place rather than each other” is exactly what this is getting at. The top dog is weaker than the other two and thus more prone to attack. Also less prone to boredom.

No. All your suggestion does is artificially keep scores close, even though one server may not even be in the right matchup due to population changes, causing glicko to change even slower than it already does. Servers still need to stomp other servers when they are the biggest in their matchup to move up tiers, or drop tiers if they’re getting stomped. Just think about SoR’s implosion. You guys would’ve had a far worse time fighting silver league servers for far longer due to your suggestion

So what if the outnumbered server pushes into first place with massive overtime, skilful fighting and commanders/scouts with good map awareness? Punishing first place isn’t the answer to ‘help the little guy’. I know my example is a bit of a reach, but it’s not like it hasn’t happened before (SoR and Mag come to mind). What should happen is more incentive for 2nd and 3rd place to attack 1st place rather than each other

WvW is a pretty good game mode, but needs far more frequent updates. It’s so neglected that even though there’s more people trying it out everyday, there’s even more people who once loved it, leaving it behind.

Rather than new maps and stuff, we need a serious overhaul for the game mode, a single vision of what it should be – PvP focused or siege warfare focused. As it is right now, the community is split on the issue and the toxic behaviour between players that focus on one over the other (especially the ’GvG’ers looking down on defenders) is only accelerating the death of the game mode.

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Red keep is also the fastest to upgrade.

Mustard.5640:

I am currently looking into an active NA server. my friend wants me to join his server (Yak’s Bend) i just want to be sure i enjoy the server as well. what would be the best choice if i enjoy roaming and guild zerging in WvW? P.S. im not a fan of seige war’ing…
thanks for any helpful info! =)

Yak’s bend is a good active server that supports different kinds of play styles due to its rank and matchups. If you’re a North American player, you can consider any server between Tier 1 down to around Tier 5 (rank 1 – rank 15) for active roaming and zerging during your time zone’s most active time slot (usually around 5-8pm local, whatever your local is). If you’re not a North American player, you’re really stuck with the first 3 servers as your choices if you’re after an active zerging scene.

Every server does the siege warfare thing, as it’s a pretty central part of the game mode, but joining a fight/pvp focused guild will help with your experience.

As for uberkingkong, I think he’s just upset Blackgate beat his server a few times and is considered the dominant server

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