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Dragon reach update, rebuilding ascalon city?

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The fact that it is Rylock and not Logan Thackeray the decendant of Gwen that we first met as a child in the fields of Ascalon is a traverse in itself for many GW(1) fans including myself. But what else can we expect from the Arenanet writers who believe that the community would accept a non-human Ascalonian to complete the needed ritual redemption of their long dead past.

It’s only Part 1 dude… you assume that Logan wont make a cameo later.

LS2 Ep 3, Rytlock > Foefire

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i’d like to think trahearne would accidentally catch on fire from clinking both swords together.

That’s for the next season, what are you? A Seer?!

i’m actually glint.

“Look behind you, the sand is now diamonds.”

Sylvari other tree

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Actually, the more information we’ve gotten this season, the less I feel the “Pale Tree is a dragon champion” theory is valid. Now I’m thinking she was planted above a ley line hub, grew into the flow of magic, and is now essentially Yggdrasill for Tyria.

It still doesn’t explain where the seed came from, why it was in the cave, and what creatures were witnessed guarding it. Why were they guarding it? Etc.

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The glaring hole in the Barradin theory is that he is cursed as well. Hopefully he will take the sword and simply decapitate the Charr that hands it to him. Those ghosts aren’t rational in our reality, they are stuck in theirs. Not that it will matter.

That’s debatable. Who is to say Barradin didn’t hold some underlying grudge towards Adelbern for conducting the FoeFire. I mean it’s implied Adelbern even stabbed his own steward when his servant figured he was about to do something insane. Simply put a lot of the people had no idea what Adelbern was doing and those that did were against it.

Plus, lets keep in mind that Barradin’s daughter was betrothed to Rurik – a marriage that never happened. Perhaps in telling Barradin the undeniable truth which he denied himself out of self pity, will bring him to the realization where he is (remember the Ghosts of Ascalon still believe they’re in the time before the Foefire) and how he got there.

Im aware of the cursed state. I believe I stated that.

Um, how are you going to “reason” with someone that sees everyone as his mortal enemy? Good luck with your theory.

Yet as our characters live and breath humans and charr co-exist, humans and charr… living together. No luck to it, the practice presents itself.

The Theory of Dragons and Everything

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Caithe and Faolain left the Tree (so obviously it was after they entered the real world), went exploring, encountered a darkness. Faolain then joined Caderyn and attempted to corrupt the Dream.

If we’re going to take NPC dialog as “fact”, as silly as that sounds, then you reach an inconsistency. Example:

Caithe: Excellent. But before you go, a warning: do not listen to their lies. If you become corrupted… there is no cure.

So she couldn’t have possibly encountered the Nightmare like you suggest by your logic. She would be an ally of the NC and our enemy. Clearly that doesn’t happen.

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The Theory of Dragons and Everything

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To perform isn’t to create. Instead it’s more like they “weaponized” it.

Now you’re just making stuff up. They weaponise nothing. They don’t take from the dream, they add to it.

That is incorrect. They add to something (the Nightmare) that already existed and predated the NC. Hence “weaponise” they didn’t create anything but a group to associate with. This same “group” was inspired by the Nightmare within the Dream of Dreams. I can’t help you any further if you’re going to make excuses by making up stuff while referencing something you are not reading properly; and then accuse me of making these things up. This is a user issue, you are not supplying any facts, you’re misinterpreting that which has been presented to you.

Case in point, you’re wrong. Your entire interpretation is wrong, it’s all based on your lack of paying attention to the very same material you claim to be looking into. I’ve quoted those text from the wiki:

So you’re arguing against the facts.

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The Theory of Dragons and Everything

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Within the Dream is a nightmare, tugging at the heart of each sylvari. Some sylvari are more susceptible than others, and those who have succumbed to the nightmare have formed the Nightmare Court

Where does it say they “created” the Nightmare? The answer is simple, it doesn’t.

The Theory of Dragons and Everything

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They most definitely do create the Nightmare.

Incorrect, I just quoted the wiki which you yourself recited but clearly did not read.

The memories and experiences of the Nightmare Court are the Nightmare. They perform evil acts so that the memory and experience of those actions enters the dream.

To perform isn’t to create. Instead it’s more like they “weaponized” it. The Nightmare was present before the founding of the Nightmare Court since Caedern, the creator of the Nightmare Court was a secondborn and Faolain was first.

Whatever darkness Faolain and Caithe encountered was outside the Dream.

Obviously they weren’t. If you read the wiki, that same place where you recite your comments from, it explicitly states that unless if you’re Soundless, you (a sylvari) are still connect to the Dream.

You failed to read the first part of my post and removed it.

  • The Nightmare Court is a home to those sylvari who reject the Ventari Tablet’s teachings, embrace the nightmares encountered within the Dream of Dreams
  • Eventually, Cadeyrn had managed to bring the Firstborn Faolain into his fold though this was after Faolain had first touched the Nightmare herself

The wiki completely contradicts your statements, in a pretty blatant way.

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Excess coins for Dry Top pls

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That robs the majority of us of the sense of accomplishment that we did it ourselves and make the players who went straight to the Dulfy guide seem like the smarter ones.

I do not agree. Nobody is forcing you to read Dulfy while another may come along who prefers to use it.

Excess coins would defeat the purpose of the achievement. That’s not how the skulls work in Halo.

As I said in the OP, for the majority, the current system only promotes frustration or ultimately referring to sites like Dulfy. If a couple of leeway coins could be included, it would be much more satisfying for the casual user to be able to locate all of them themselves.

That’s hardly a “bad” thing in my opinion. Sites like Dulfy keep large quantities of people updated with what any said MMO is doing. It garners curiosity and interest, which brings players back. More players means more $$.

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The Theory of Dragons and Everything

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Other way around. The Court create Nightmare.

Uh…

The Nightmare Court is a home to those sylvari who reject the Ventari Tablet’s teachings, embrace the nightmares encountered within the Dream of Dreams, and are attempting to understand them, while giving life to them with acts of evil.

They do not “create” the nightmare, they influenced its progression because of its existence prior to their knowledge. They spread it. An unseen force driving individuals who encounter it, to question their purpose. You’re confusing the Nightmare within the Dream of Dreams with the Nightmare Court, the NC benefit from the Nightmare but they did not create it.

Eventually, Cadeyrn had managed to bring the Firstborn Faolain into his fold, though this was after Faolain had first touched the Nightmare herself, and she later replaced him as leader, titling herself the Grand Duchess.

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The Theory of Dragons and Everything

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/sigh

There are more types of love than those of the romantic and/or sexual nature. So yes, we could easily say they love Zhaitan, just not in a romantic or sexual sense. It’s the type of fanatical love where you are utterly devoted to someone, and the only thoughts on your mind is how you can please them.

I can see what Wander is trying to say even if I disagree with talking in absolutes. Fanaticism is actually a fair comparison as we hear the Risen speaking, practically praising Zhaitan. So I wouldn’t necessarily say they are 100% emotionless at all.

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So its almost sure now, that trees are created by dragons sleeping beneath them, so there is good dragon under Pale Tree, and another tree above Mordemorth, and Sylvari are not corrupted and thats dragons failure, or they are gonna trigger, like Cylon’s FF.

While I’m not comfortable yet with the idea that Sylvari are created by all dragons I do think the sleeper cell-like Cylons is a very close comparison. Even though I wasn’t a fan of the series, the concept does share similar characteristics if indeed this is true.

The Theory of Dragons and Everything

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Faolain still loves Caithe, ergo she cannot be a dragon minion.

I still question whether that’s absolute. Because something expresses emotion, they’re immune to corruption.

Their not immune. They’re just not corrupted.

Define an empty basket to not contain anything. If a basket contains an apple, then logically it cannot be empty. That doesn’t mean it can’t be emptied. But to empty it, you must remove the apple.

Dragon minions are empty. Devoid of love. I don’t think I can put it in simpler terms.

Yes but see there’s the crutch, exposure. What I’m thinking is that the exposure is so incredibly subtle, that it is as if it’s not even there figuratively speaking. Without Mord being able to guide the NC in his image for example, clearly they find their own way. Again, the image of hands not being able to dig into the pot, but hold it.

Whenever you use the phrase “but there’s no telling” in an argument it’s a sure sign of shifting the burden of proof.

That is the definition of Speculation in a nut shell. I do not claim facts, I merely speculate.

We simply do not know the specifics. Accounts of exposure are all across the board as there is no proof saying that corruption is not a step-by-step process.. You’re using conjecture . Therefore I’m inclined to suggest that NC are not under the full effects and instead working in tandem. The same exposure that creates the branded can kill them if amplified via Kral’s will which indicates a range of degree – that makes a very compelling variable that I don’t think we should dismiss.

Not to mention there’s the whole Pale Tree presence that limits the truth to her children and bringing me back to my original point. Mord has been asleep, Mord has been locked away, so to speak – were the Nightmare to be a byproduct of Mord’s sparse-influence, that NC continued on their own and driven by an unseen force they just as quickly rationalize as being emotionally driven. But as we know in psychology positive and negative interactions can fuel one’s emotions in the real world, it’s called empathy and apathy .

Kellach expressed emotion even though he was quite clearly falling under Zhaitan’s corruption, he was manipulated in thinking that in obtaining Jennah’s blood that he would be able to free himself from the Orrian artifact.

It’s not clear that he felt anything. Certainly not love. He acted out of a knowledge that he was corrupted, and had an extremely callous and unfeeling plan for removing that corruption. He didn’t care (or possibly even notice) who got in his way. His lack of awareness extended to not even realising that he was surrounded by a shambling horde of undead.

I could just as much argue that he was desperate . All he sought was a cure, everyone who stood in his way was seen as an obstacle that prevented him from ascertaining his false freedom. He was told a lie by a seer whom he believed couldn’t tell a lie in his “desperation” to free him from the corruption, and desperation is an emotion. You’re trying to rationalize your inability to actually conduct a psyche evaluation on each individual under the affects of corruption, this doesn’t dismiss anything as not being a valid counter. He was clearly under pressure of corruption but yet not quite a minion therefore implying there are steps some are more gratuitous than others.

EDIT: One minor point I’d like to address….

It’s not clear that he felt anything.

Didn’t you just explain this in that very same post above? You address my behavior:

Whenever you use the phrase “but there’s no telling” in an argument it’s a sure sign of shifting the burden of proof.

…but in the quote above you make the same assertion but change the words. Still the same context.

If you wish to correct or point something out, it’s best not to become an example yourself. Just saying. That’s called hypocrisy . What I’m basically trying to say is that you defined speculation but you considered my point less valid, you can’t use speculation to rule out speculation, I do not claim facts for this reason because it turns into a “pot-calling-kettle”. While I do not think you’re wrong, I do have reason to believe otherwise and simply not agree. So I would suggest not trying to discredit any user if you’re going to use the same ammunition.

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The Krytan Amulet and The Legend of Magdaer

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Sounds to me like they intend to use the Amulet in a different manner than we’re all thinking/expecting. If we’re thinking it’ll be used to discover the next King/Queen if Jennah dies, that probably won’t be the case. I think the theories of the Amulet being the Keystone to the Bloodstones is true, and that it’s going to be used in conjunction with them to take down the Elder Dragons. What the amulet could do in the short term is perhaps play a role in undoing the curse of Ascalon.

I will agree that the link between the locket and the cleansing of The Foefire is very loose. But I would be very skeptical of the locket being the keystone and intended to be used as a weapon.

Remember, the story in Arah details that the elder races used the bloodstones to “starve” the Elder Dragons. In hazarding a guess, the source they feed off of being locked away and there’s an item out there that unlock that magical potential… I wouldn’t think that was a weapon you would to “use” against the EDs. More so, I’d expect that’s what they would want.

Human Gods: Real or complete myth?

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Arguably the players did see the gods or at least their representatives during the Nightfall mission, Gate of Madness when Kormir seeks a audience with them to ask for help against Abaddon.

Ah, and see there’s the trick. Common folk did not see these events. So through time it’s plausible, after the God’s exodus, that people in general simply grew away from believing 100% to being skeptical. It’s kind of like an old grandfather trying to tell you the course of events in MW2 or Vietnam, right? You weren’t there so all you have is their accounts to go off.

But again, we the players witness these events so we can say they were real. However, the characters we played as in GW1 are two and a half generations worth of dead.

LS2 Ep 3, Rytlock > Foefire

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Prophetic statements about the future often work out differently than people expect. So the definition of the term ‘rightful king’ may not follow bloodline, legalism, etc. Or, the rules could ecompass multiple options. So the khan-Ur may be able to lift the curse as well as any decendant of Doric. As long as the necessity of wielding the sword is fulfilled.

There’s that too. Between the Grawl and the Charr, only the Charr seemed focused in getting Ascalon back.

Not to mention Adelbern gave the “finger” to intentionally thwart the Charr’s advance because were it not for this sorcery, the Charr would have reclaimed the lands they had centuries before claimed as their own.

LS2 Ep 3, Rytlock > Foefire

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The glaring hole in the Barradin theory is that he is cursed as well. Hopefully he will take the sword and simply decapitate the Charr that hands it to him. Those ghosts aren’t rational in our reality, they are stuck in theirs. Not that it will matter.

That’s debatable. Who is to say Barradin didn’t hold some underlying grudge towards Adelbern for conducting the FoeFire. I mean it’s implied Adelbern even stabbed his own steward when his servant figured he was about to do something insane. Simply put a lot of the people had no idea what Adelbern was doing and those that did were against it.

Plus, lets keep in mind that Barradin’s daughter was betrothed to Rurik – a marriage that never happened. Perhaps in telling Barradin the undeniable truth which he denied himself out of self pity, will bring him to the realization where he is (remember the Ghosts of Ascalon still believe they’re in the time before the Foefire) and how he got there.

LS2 Ep 3, Rytlock > Foefire

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on the other, i feel like the backlash of another soft retcon will have the entire lore community up in arms and demanding bobby’s head on a stake.

I wouldn’t consider it a retcon in any form just yet. The whole Foefire was an event created for GW2 filler content, not GW1. Even in Guild Wars Beyond, the Foefire didn’t take place for the players to witness.

Naming Mordremoth

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Yeah I agree, it’s not enough to be a serious issue but it was a head jerker for a second there. Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if in the original ending of Season 1 (the leaked version where Marjory was supposed to die) that Scarlet in her dying breath muttered Mordremoth’s name. It’s unfortunate that part didn’t stick because these topics wouldn’t be here.

LS2 Ep 3, Rytlock > Foefire

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You have to ask that?

Obviously, GW2 ANet thinks Barradin is the rightful king of Ascalon. It’s not my fault they don’t pay attention to their predecessor.

We don’t even know what’s going to go down and yet you mock them because you weren’t paying attention. Wonderful.

LS2 Ep 3, Rytlock > Foefire

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What piece? o.O

The scene, bro. Where Rytlock goes into Barradin’s Crypt, slams Sohothin into the ground and says, “Ascalon, I free you of this curse.”

Why is this significant?

LS2 Ep 3, Rytlock > Foefire

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LOL!

Oh lordy it is in that room. Oh ANet, you really outdid yourself this time. I’ve seen them go back on GW1 stuff plenty of times, but this is the first time I’ve seen them do it on their GW2 stuff.

I stand corrected.

Now ask yourself why this piece is significant.

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“According to legend, if either this sword or its sister returns to the haunted remains of Ascalon City in the hands of the rightful king of Ascalon, the ghosts there will finally be laid to rest.”

I’m aware. What’s your point? Why is he in Barradin’s Crypt slamming Sohothin into the ground? Barradin’s Crypt is in Ascalon. That whole realm is Ascalon, the ruins of it.

LS2 Ep 3, Rytlock > Foefire

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Second, you’re right Barradin could have forced his own kingship. And? That still doesn’t matter. You haven’t explained why that matters.

Because that could explain why Rytlock is in Barradin’s Crypt? Why else would he go there and: “Ascalon, I free you of your curse.”, before slamming his sword down into the ground?

Third, how is that background in the cinematic clearly Barradin’s Crypt? Has it been stated by ANet that it is? If so, where?

Rytlok is coming down a small flight of chairs, guards guarding the archway, and Rytlock enters the crypt. As I said, roll a Charr and play through the prologue. When you see Barradin’s statue, stare out in the direction he’s facing and you’ll see the same hallway that is at Rytlock’s back in the cinematic. Clear as day.

LS2 Ep 3, Rytlock > Foefire

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You seem to think royalty = kingship in Ascalon, that’s not how it worked.

That’s like saying if Nedd was smart he wouldn’t have had his head chopped off. Of course that’s not how it turned out, there wouldn’t have been a plot in the first place. But if Barradin maintained his stance for being King, he would have been King. It’s that simple.

How do you know that cinematic is in Barradin’s Crypt? Did I miss that info somewhere?

Watch the cinematic. Go roll a Charr.

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Yes, but how does that matter concerning the legend about an heir of Doric?? They are both of his lineage.

Clearly he’s not, the characters you quoted from, point that out. Down to succession, it should have been Barradin.

And then answer me why Rytlock is in Barradin’s Crypt and not AC?

Ummm…Adelbern is an heir of Doric.

You just quoted multiple characters who said he wasn’t a true successor despite their own support for the decision. By your logic the common street rat would have just as much right to be King and a rightful ruler: “All modern royalty in Tyria, including Kryta, are descendants of Doric himself.”

I have no idea why he’s in Barradin’s tomb. Why is he?

You tell me.

The curse of the Foefire says:

The Foefire ghosts will be put to rest when either Sohothin or Magdaer are returned to Ascalon City in the hands of the rightful King of Ascalon.

Why would Rytlock be in Barradin’s Crypt reciting the words: “Ascalon, I free you from this curse.” What other reasons would have him going there instead of Ascalon Catacombs or anywhere else for that matter?

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LS2 Ep 3, Rytlock > Foefire

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Yes, but how does that matter concerning the legend about an heir of Doric?? They are both of his lineage.

Clearly he’s not, the characters you quoted from, point that out. Down to succession, it should have been Barradin.

And then answer me why Rytlock is in Barradin’s Crypt and not AC?

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Barradin was the rightful king by blood, hence the whole marriage between Rurik and Althea in order to circumvent the blood dispute.

And who decided that noble blood makes you a rightful king? Was it by any chance, people who had noble blood?

In Ascalon, you only had to be a descendant of Doric to be considered for kingship. The royalty lines didn’t matter.

The system was more lax than real nobility lines. After all Barradin conceded himself willingly. But were it not for Adelberns high praise, Barradin would have been King by true succession.

And?

I fail to see how that matters. Especially when the old royalty was bringing Ascalon to ruin:

Devona: “It’s sad. These Royalist fools oppose King Adelbern because he was not born into nobility. They forget it was Adelbern who saved us from the Guild Wars and the old king, Grenth Be Just, who nearly brought Ascalon to ruin.”

I don’t see how royalty allowing Ascalon to crumble really matters. Ascalon gets destroyed by the Searing, the choice did nothing more than delay the inevitable and we see these effects in the current era.
“These Royalist fools oppose King Adelbern because he was not born into nobility.”

Bolded. The characters understood succession, the system was just more flexible than a traditional royal one. Traditional by real life standards or hell, Game of Thrones.

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Barradin was the rightful king by blood, hence the whole marriage between Rurik and Althea in order to circumvent the blood dispute.

And who decided that noble blood makes you a rightful king? Was it by any chance, people who had noble blood?

In Ascalon, you only had to be a descendant of Doric to be considered for kingship. The royalty lines didn’t matter.

The system was more lax than real nobility lines. After all Barradin conceded himself willingly. But were it not for Adelberns high praise, Barradin would have been King by true succession.

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Adelbern was the rightful king of Ascalon, the people of Ascalon wanted him as their ruler over Duke Barradin.

That is incorrect. Being “voted” in doesn’t make you “rightful” when it comes to nobility. Ascalonians simply saw Adelbern as the more comfortable choice as a reward for his strength. Barradin was the rightful king by blood, hence the whole marriage between Rurik and Althea in order to circumvent the blood dispute. He simply wasn’t confident in his own capability to lead himself so he supported the citizens of Ascalon and their decision, using his daughter in an attempt to appease everything. Blood doesn’t care about decisions, one had the stronger connection to the throne than the other. The lesser of the two, Adelbern, was simply given “Pass Go”-card.

Odd then, these quotes from GW1:

  • Farrah Cappo: “Not since King Doric himself has Ascalon had a finer king than Adelbern.”
  • Grazden the Protector: “From what I have seen, King Adelbern is a man of great compassion. There will always be those malcontents who seek to blame every hardship in life on the current monarch. Many of the Royalists are merely misguided. In time, they will realize the error of their ways.”
  • Kasha Blackblood: “Maybe you don’t remember how Ascalon was before Adelbern. The crown peddled influence to guilds for the slightest show of coin. Who would wish for a thing like that to return?”
  • Little Thom: “It’s true the duke was next in line when the royal family was assassinated, but he fully supported the crowning of Adelbern. Wasn’t it the duke, after all, who appointed Adelbern commander of the army after the Battle of Rin?”

Little Tom practically explains it. Barradin chose not to rule but offered his daughter (his lineage) in marriage to Rurik as if applying a bandage. Adelbern was clearly a very capable king but he was not “rightful” by blood. It was via unanimous decision and not tradition. It made the whole crowning controversial in an interesting manner, but people voted for Adelbern, especially with Barradin’s consent, out of favor and not through blood.

All other accounts listed above Tom are people who just liked Adelbern more. They spoke of high praise, that would be like taking Game of Thrones for example and proclaiming Joffery as the rightful heir. We all know that by blood he was not a successor.

Barradin was the rightful king by blood, hence the whole marriage between Rurik and Althea in order to circumvent the blood dispute.

And who decided that noble blood makes you a rightful king? Was it by any chance, people who had noble blood?

Define rightful. What, because Adelbern wore the crown on his head meant that his blood was more pure and closer to King Doric than Barradin? But that’s not true at all.

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Although that technically happened in GW1, could the argument continue that it was all myth?

At this point it’s plausible that skeptics would be growing by the dozens. But to answer the question itself, they had corporeal forms. And their powers were often exhibited via Favor of The Gods. Plus watching Komir ascend was kind of a big factor. That and Wintersday was a game of sorts between Dwayna and Grenth which brought snow into Lions Arch.

The Theory of Dragons and Everything

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I think there’s a rather large misunderstanding of the NC going on here. The NC killed/torture/commit acts of wickedness because in doing so their negative emotions become part of the Dream. This strengthens the Nightmare, turning more sylvari toward it, the endgame being to turn the Pale Tree itself to Nightmare. Why the whole Nightmare spiel sounds like the meddling of Mordremoth to me is pretty simple – while EDs aren’t evil, we’ve had insight into the mind of one before. Kralkatorrik is quite the poster child for negative emotion, his mind holding nothing but fury, rage and hunger.

You have to keep in mind though that the Pale Tree has been keeping secrets. So I doubt even the NC know of Mordremoth’s existence. While I agree at the base, Mord’s influence has had a huge role to play it’s been so diluted that really their idea of the Nightmare is a creation of their own. The NC would only be able to describe Mord’s influence as some source of motivation that cannot be identified.

It’d be more like his influence is a pre-cursor but due to his lack of participation, the NC have gained their own belief as to what that unseen driving force maybe; desire.

At least that’s what I would take from it if Mord had a role in creating the Pale Tree(s) and grandfathering the Sylvari.

Faolain still loves Caithe, ergo she cannot be a dragon minion.

I still question whether that’s absolute. Because something expresses emotion, they’re immune to corruption. For example, in Mass Effect Saren set out to understand Sovereign in the hopes of defeating it, which consequently exposed him more to indoctrination. What we see in the NC is little to zilch exposure, so of course they don’t convey true corruption.

Kellach expressed emotion even though he was quite clearly falling under Zhaitan’s corruption, he was manipulated in thinking that in obtaining Jennah’s blood that he would be able to free himself from the Orrian artifact. So I would just as much argue that Dragon corruption can quite vary depending on exposure. Kralk for example can even kill his own minions by delivering too much. My point there being is that the NC, well Sylvari in general, have been kept in the dark to such a degree that they wouldn’t know.

The Caedern and Faolain probably think their motivations are legitimately a force of their own will. But there’s no telling whether there is some unseen source of influence by Mord that is edging them in a direction that he would be able to benefit from.

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kinda funny how this thread derailed into a “who was right/who attacked first/who is the true owner of the land” argument.

it’s the GW2 version of israel/palestine, apparently.

More like:


Aegon vs Daenerys

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Adelbern was the rightful king of Ascalon, the people of Ascalon wanted him as their ruler over Duke Barradin.

That is incorrect. Being “voted” in doesn’t make you “rightful” when it comes to nobility. Ascalonians simply saw Adelbern as the more comfortable choice as a reward for his strength. Barradin was the rightful king by blood, hence the whole marriage between Rurik and Althea in order to circumvent the blood dispute. He simply wasn’t confident in his own capability to lead himself so he supported the citizens of Ascalon and their decision, using his daughter in an attempt to appease everything. Blood doesn’t care about decisions, one had the stronger connection to the throne than the other. The lesser of the two, Adelbern, was simply given “Pass Go”-card.

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Sylvari other tree

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If i remember good, in sylvari story we are finding dude, who wasnt from Pale Tree, what happend to him, is possible that Mordemorth is burred under another Pale Tree, as we say about Grove Pale Tree?

That would be interesting to the say the least. Making the Sylvari’s Wyld Hunt foreshadowing because it’s obvious that Zhaitan wasn’t being referenced. Seeing as the model is covered in branches and roots as opposed to rotting flesh and Risen minions. Perhaps Mord was trying to contact the player but being that the Pale Tree was secretly hiding “something”, his influence couldn’t properly reach the player. Instead, the player is left going “I saw something” after promptly defeating it.

LS2 Ep 3, Rytlock > Foefire

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So WP just posted his video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSHz4rGbboM

He raises a good point. Rytlock isn’t in AC but rather Duke Barradin’s Crypt. He could be pleading with Barradin to release the curse by offering him Sohothin/Magdaer.

Technically, Adelburn was voted King but he was not the rightful heir. It would be through Rurik and Barradin’s daughter, Lady Althea, that the rightful bloodline would ascertain rights to the throne. Of course that never happens as Althea is killed by the Charr during the invasion and later Rurik dies via avalanche against the Stone Summit.

Naming Mordremoth

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Well, allegedly Waller does admit that the “name-bomb” was pretty poorly handled.

LS2 Ep 3, Rytlock > Foefire

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So who owns it, the people who stole it or the people who stole?

I think there’s a catch, at some point in history this legend starts and at that point there’s a missing link we’re over looking. That being said, Forefire was conducted only within the past 250 years so the legend is fairly new and susceptible to mistake identities. Maybe in Adelburn’s prideful insanity he failed to consider what he was bringing upon his own people, it was rushed and not thoroughly thought over to consider the final outcome.

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LS2 Ep 3, Rytlock > Foefire

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Adelbern was a monster.

He really was and that’s what made the story so interesting. His pride was his fuel, even when Rurik had the right idea Adelburn basically went against the better decision to hold a devastated land. As a result his own people paid for it, they were forced to hold their posts and had largely no idea.

The Krytan Amulet and The Legend of Magdaer

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We only see Rytlock use Sohothin, only half of the plot is being told here.

LS2 Ep 3, Rytlock > Foefire

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I think people might be jumping to conclusions with Rytlock and the Ascalonian ghosts. It doesn’t show that whatever he does works or that it is going to ‘remove’ the ghosts.
He might be trying to put the ghosts to rest, but it might/probably won’t work.
(haven’t fully read the article yet, so maybe that says something about it)

Well, you need both and Eir has Magdaer. That and it is a “two-part” episode, if not more, so this isn’t the whole story. Maybe in his arrogance he tries to do something, something goes wrong, and then we’re faced with trying to get Magdaer over there. Be it through Logan or Jenna. Very interesting.

Scrapping Destiny's Edge

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So my feeling about DE after knowing some of them will be part of the Episode 3 of the LS2, is we may not have them back together full time, but rather have them work together/alone in the story once in a while. What do you think of that?

Basically cameos, yeah.

But, I’m still wondering what the breaking of Forefire’s Curse has to do with Mordremoth unless if they’re hinting that with cleansing Ascalon, the Charr could flex their forces and help focus on Mord. Seems convoluted at first glance but can’t wait to see how it all fits together.

Ascalonian curse broken?

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For Eir’s part, I’m thinking they’re hinting that Jormag might be next. That Braham may be the one to break the tooth at the Finale or early in Season 3 if not in the coming episodes.

Bah! That’s right, Eir took Alderburn’s Magdaer sword. Hence her presence in the episode. Though they show a hint of what looks like Frostgorge Sound in the upper North West Corner, if I’m not mistaken. Maybe she hid it away for safe keeping or it was stolen, I wonder – unless if Eir is actively patrolling those parts, we find her, bring her back to Hoelbrak, and she reunites with Braham.

Ascalonian curse broken?

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Yeah, upon a closer inspection that does look like to be Plains, Daessa, or Iron. However… those aren’t thorns. Those are motha-flippin roots. Big ones.

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I find it very interesting that the story is going all over the place. This could make for a very interesting season, where it all comes together in the end, or a very interesting but convoluted. But we’re seeing Destiny’s Edge, at least Eir and Rytlock.

For Eir’s part, I’m thinking they’re hinting that Jormag might be next. That Braham may be the one to break the tooth at the Finale or early in Season 3 if not in the coming episodes.

Although I can’t imagine how alliances may be broken. The Foefire was always destined to be cleansed when the twin of the same sword that caused Ascalon to be cursed, would be used to reverse it. This story was old, but I wonder what significance this holds.

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SPOILER Living story ripped from Mass Effect

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Mass Effect’s story is far from original.

*Spoilers* Caithe Secret revealed!

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I still lean in to think that the “once falling into nightmare there is no coming back” is here-say. Nobody knows for certain because no one knows of someone who has done it. Therefore I don’t necessarily consider that mantra to be 100% fact, if anything just a person’s thoughts on a subject they haven’t experienced. Caithe was infected by Faeolain and despite her selfish wants, Faeolain freed Caithe.

Surely if Sylvari are able to turn away from The Dream out of the desire for something different, the opposite is also possible.

With that in mind, it just strikes me that people are afraid of falling because they don’t know how they would be able to get back.

The Orbs - Zhaitan alive? [spoilers]

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Idea change constantly. Maybe they planned for Zhaitan(happy now?) to be dead while writing Personal Story, but maybe now they changed their plans.

I don’t think they did. Zhaitan was arguably not dead-gone-dead just dead based on the completion of Arah story. He had a corpse but they went on to say Arah EXP was going to contain Zhaitan in “some form or another.” Instead, they stripped that out and left it. These EDs are primordial forces, death in reality may not be the final outcome or end of an ED but rather they go back to the Mists, in some secret difficult to get to realm, where they recuperate and rise back up for the next cycle.

So his orb being present is more of “these are forces of nature that do not stop.”

It’s not like we’re definitely going to see him again. Unless if Anet decides otherwise.

Those annoying roots

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It’s the Leeching Thrasher, if I’m not mistaken.

That would be correct. Deal with them first always, burn them down, and all your problems will seemingly go away. And death/murder is the best CC.

Do we really want GoT?

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You know, I don’t want my characters to die….
Although it was fun in Guild Wars: Factions for the sake of the story.

But in all seriousness, I cater to fan-favorites so when a character I’m a fan of dies I get pretty disappointed. The problem with GoT is there are so many characters you can like that handled willy-nilly that it’s like reading a minefield. Now each character in some way plays a role, there is a plot and JRR knows how he wants to end it. Often times writers come up with a story based firstly on how it ends so the trick is trying to convey how to get there – the journey. But the fact that it’s so gritty and unpologetic does make it interesting.

But at the same time GW1 had it really good. You’re introduced to a thriving nation that within about 10-20 minutes is decimated. Rurik’s bride to be is captured and flamed alive, all efforts to protect the city are practically in vein, you look to these strangely dressed fellow to protect you – who end up being very nefarious themselves. I think over all they had a pretty good formula and each story (Factions Nightfall) was different, they didn’t copy the steps verbatim.