Most maps I’ve been on simply skip him because the fight is just long. I enjoy it and find it fun, if a bit unfairly slighted (seriously a fear that dots you and does massive damage, come on -_- ). But the fight itself takes just about 90% if not more of the dust storm’s duration leaving you with a few moments to do other bosses that only spawn during the dust storm or finding chests.
Honestly, it just doesn’t add up to think The Pale Tree is acting for Mord’s benefit. I’m not seeing it. May something happen at the Summit? Well to be fair, it wouldn’t be the first time….
I very much doubt it.
Mordy was making a move on Ascalon, and the sword was used to channel the ghosts energy.
Actually, at the Outpost in front of the roots in Iron Marches you can speak to two Priory members who go on ranting about how their dolyak was struck. They say the roots came out of the ground reaching up to snag it and it was wounded severely. Guess what it was carrying…. artifacts. They even mention they sent someone on ahead with whatever the artifact was in order to continue the journey.
It was always like that however there’s supposed to be a piece that belongs to the new back item down there.
having read what the pale tree says to sylvari PCs…
come on. i know sylvaris would get extra fluff, but it feels like most of the things i’d expect to hear from her are exclusive to a single race :/
I’m hoping they redeem this by having her go into more detail during the Summit. That would make up for it and I’d be ok but as it were, yes – the player, if belonging to another race, ends up getting shafted.
isn’t he in the wrong place to lift the curse? It states it has to be lifted in Ascalon City. You would think the best place to lift the curse would be the place where the curse was first cast since that would be the strongest spot
I believe it’s just a play on words and otherwise not very important. If you’re in the area of which the Foefire has taken place, I doubt the ritual would be picky about its exact location down to the foot.
- The Pale Tree knew of Mordremoth’s awakening, yet told no one about it.
I can kind of see why, perhaps out of cautions because she didn’t want more Scarlet x Aerin cases. My issue was that in how it was delivered, we literally got nothing out of her and while I didn’t expect her to reveal everything – I wanted more hints. Rather than the simple, “Yes, I know what Mordremoth is.”
Well that’s great Pale Tree, we know you know – we used the machine you seem quite familiar with. Surely you’d know we know that you know… Miss Know-It-All…..>.>
- Mordremoth is continuously referred to as “the greatest threat” that we must tackle first. But he’s only attacked select targets – mind you utterly destroying them – each having magical artifacts (krait obelisk shards, the caravan passing through Concordia, and artifacts in a Priory caravan in Iron Marches that they refuse – openly stating such – to explain what they’re transporting). This is no more dangerous than Primordus, in my view, making Jormag who’s clearly gained strength (as the Sons of Svanir have become more active, per the purpose of Eir’s request) and has been pushing south for the past century and a half.
This is something that I’m struggling hard with in trying to suspend disbelief. I can see that Mordremoth would be a threat but I just find myself looking to the evidence of others and kind of tilting my head. Granted, the Icebrood and Branded have been squared off while Mordremoth is crossing territories in a stealth-like fashion. That to me doesn’t make him anymore serious than Jor, Kral, or Prim – just more crafty. Maybe the characters however feel confident in the others secluding themselves so they immediately look to Mord who is actively trying to break the pattern.
It has me worried as to what they’re going to do with the others or DSD….
But what seems clear, since we use “dark matter” to craft armor and the like in Tyria, it doesn’t seem function like the typical scientific theory – in which, from my understanding, is basically the opposite of matter and the two touching would wipe both out completely from existence (I am no scientist so that may be a false fictional view of it).
The science geek in me tingles. Technically you’re thinking of anti-matter which is matter with the opposite charge.
Dark Matter is proposed as a different type of energy that only interacts with gravity and is claimed to be the framework (or webbing if you will) of the universe. Since looking at the universe in the infrared and ultraviolet, there’s string of gas connecting massive bodies together.
That’s why I say the scientific theory of dark matter is best similar to the Mists.
Scruffy should have replaced your skill bar, give you two self attacks and then his commands for the other three slots. The system itself was inconvenient. Could have easily done it without the help and that’s the problem. If you’re capable of doing something without the aid, someone just wasted a lot of time trying to force the mechanic on the players to begin with.
It’s great if they want to make a new interesting mechanic, my advice however is to make it intuitive.
Because people were crying about everything story-related being instanced in the past two episodes.
Pretty boring to be honest. Not a very strong episode for the most part, got through it and now I’m just hopping Episode 2 is better. Not every episode is going to be great. As for getting everyone together, loads easier than the Council. They aren’t ignoring the facts at least.
Seems to work sometimes now, as events are just rapidly repeating as soon as they finish when I did my step.
I actually got skipped a few quests myself when trying to gather the samples, logged back in after a crash and it sent me on anyways without having to complete it. Ended up just finishing the whole story thanks to that small bump.
These events need to be running continuously – or, at the very least, every 5 minutes. They’re fun, but there is way too much time between events (specifically, the sample collection event).
People will get frustrated.
To much time? A minute passes and the event starts up again. Some might be out of synch but the Mordrem Wolf practically respawns after you finish it within a minute.
I found it inconvenient. Would have rather just liked to pilot him but it was what it was and finished it well enough. Hardly had to fight at all.
Well, Jormag prefers to offer power to people first, then corrupt those who join him. Mordremoth seems to just try breaking into your mind until you’re insane.
We haven’t really seen him do that though. People who have been attacked by vines have died and nobody has been seen. That being said only two Sylvari we’ve encountered so far have expressed mental disorders after being exposed. So for the time being, since it’s ramping up slowly, it’s difficult to say for certain. It is only episode 3 of Season 2 after all.
While I can sit back and say not every episode is going to be good or as good as the previous, given that I’m stuck in Iron Marches during the first of the meta events, I do feel this was very pointless. There was all this interest in meeting the Pale Tree but she didn’t really give us any information. In fact, only if you’re a Sylvari, does she remark how “without me you would be susceptible to the dragon’s corruption.” Episode 2 had made it sound like it would be very important to meet the Pale Tree and here we are… with nothing really to leave with.
I didn’t expect a plethora of answers mind you but at the same time I wasn’t expecting filler text that gave us nothing new to speculate with. Nor did we get any real answers that we didn’t already know.
Out of all VAs possible, I figured Steve Blum would be the least likely to get axed :P
We’re not even 12 hours into Episode 3 and we got 13 and about a half days worth to go. Come on now.
You paid for a kite. You got a kite.
You did not pay for a kite that gives a speed buff. Now there are other kites that give speed buffs that are not the kites you paid for.
It goes with saying, you pay at your own risk. They don’t owe you a dime.
The first step for things not being offensive is stop being offended by things.
Pretty much needs to be said.
You have no one to blame but yourself if you get offended over things that aren’t even specifically targeting you.
My character is a Sylvari, I got the same line.
So far the only unique line of dialog I’ve heard is that as a Sylvari the Pale Tree mentions that without her intervention, Sylvari are at risk to Mordremoth’s corruption.
A little off topic but suddenly with the current bug in Iron Marches, title is relevant.
Interestingly enough I seem to recall more or less exactly the same thread but with the world Instances instead of Open World.
It just goes to show that you can’t make everyone happy, someone will find something to complain about. Hell, people who want something get what they wanted and then realize how bad it really is. All of it becomes one tricky affair.
And as Mental Paradox pointed out, the original Guild Wars didn’t even feature them.
Technically… it did. Just prior to the Searing you take part in an arena match as part of the story where you do battle with others, sometimes players. It even says in the wiki that the Guild Wars saw an “abrupt end” when the Charr chose to invade. A lot of the PVP aspects were considered apart of the whole Guild Wars concept lore-wise.
Cool. A new backpiece! Thanks for the screenies. =)
You mean “another” back piece? That would require 250 ectos + 15 bolts of damask etc. oh lord.
“We don’t want our game to be a race for gear, or a pooling of wasted resources purely for crafting’s sake.”
Good ol’ Anet days, but at least some of the back pieces look pretty cool. I would get Chaos of Lyssa for my human mesmer if, you know. I could fork 250+ gold for a decoration.
I’m just happy they implemented the wardrobe system so I could put the engie’s backpack on my toons such as my warrior.
If we ever actually fight Mord, he’ll only be harmed by “fire” type weapons, Ele in fire attunement, Ranger fire trap, and burning. The fight will last longer than Zhaitan’s “fight.”
Since Season 1 finale I always felt that the coolest conclusion for Season 2 (assuming it sees Mord being put down) would be for Prim to get involved. Prim thursts for destruction so what better way to quench his thirst than the destruction of an Elder Dragon who represents nature on roids.
I would like to see what this new back item looks like.
Like a bunch of chicory vegetables growing on your back.
Yeah just saw it. Not too impressed honestly but heres to hoping cool designs along the way as it “grows”.
I would like to see what this new back item looks like.
Didn’t they confess they made a mistake in the presentation of what they had in mind? “Here’s what we thought happened, and we goofed up in getting that across”?
I believe by now the conversation is more along the lines of “C’mon. Really. After two years and with a whole team of professionals? Really?” and giving them feedback on how to avoid future fanfic blog style mistakes that by now really shouldn’t be happening.
I find that a little disingenuous though, selfish people that can’t let it go so they go onto complaining about it in a different way. Think about how many companies out there don’t say anything or try to defend their actions as “artistic quality”. Kind of wish a lot of them would have come out and said, “Yeah, we done goofed.” That isn’t to say that Arenanet should get away with it, I still believe a fix is in order and this minor error should be remembered going forward into later episodes and seasons alike. However, given they do take responsibility in the mistake – I find that commendable.
I really hope so. It would mean going ahead that we could finally open up our world map with new areas (Isles of Janthir, Deldrimore Front, Blazeridge, Crystal Desert, etcetera).
It’s concept art, I don’t necessarily count that for being 100% up to scale. I do question its significance.
I am absolutely freaking out over this. How can they do this?
More than a year ago, in a lore discussion thread about Sohothin, i mentioned that Rytlock may be a candidate for Khan-Ur, if he is a descendant. And now it looks as if i may be right. Frankly, i am shocked.
ArenaNet, how can you once more trample onto GW1 lore in this way? How can you?
Sohothin does not belong into the hands of a Charr. I was waiting for a chance to take it away, by force if need be. But no, you turn that Charr into the one to lift the curse of Ascalon. Rytlock may be a candidate for Khan-Ur, but he is NOT the rightful heir to the kingdom of Ascalon. If anyone, that is Samuelsson. The human kingdom is gone, alright. But what you do here is justifying genocide and ecocide.
I was thinking that making the Charr into a playable race was for the sake of game balance, but now i see that it is obviously favouritism. You are going too far, ArenaNet. Enough is enough. You are favouring a race that caused a genocide of innocents and destroyed Ascalon completely. Many old GW1 players have not forgotten, and really do not like the Charr. I see now how much you care about those players, even less than i thought.
The ghosts deserve to be put to rest. The Charr do not deserve to be freed from a curse they caused by their actions. But that is just my opinion.
Treat your GW1 lore with more respect. Do not let a Charr casually lift the curse during a living story update like this. You could have made a great story out of it, one that stands on its own. You just casually throw it into an update whose focus is something completely different from the whole Ascalon story.
Recently you said that you do respect the lore of GW1, but now i see that you really don’t. And that you really do not care one bit about GW1 players. And yes, if what the trailer shows is really going to happen then i am done with this game.
You do know the humans conquered the charr first… right? The charr just wanted what was rightfully theirs…. Not their fault Aderlburn went crazy and killed everyone. He should have just died like everyone else was supposed to
Well to be fair, the Charr weren’t innocent. They did take the land from the Forgotten/Grawl. They’re just a territorial and war-like species who grows by conquering. Think Genghis Khan.
Funny that, the short story “What Scarlet Saw” clearly states that she joined up with the Inquest (who are unashamedly evil) out of her own free will, and may have even helped trigger the Thaumanova incident, before going back with Omadd to the mind opening device.
Keep in mind how Asura culture works. Inquest are allowed to participate in projects as is part of the story, they’re just more devious in regards to competition than their colleagues. It’s similar to the Svanir in some regards.
“I’ve landed a lab assistant position with Omadd, an intelligent but overly gentle asura. I should be able to wrap him around my little finger.”
She was selfish, conceited, and manipulative even then under that seemingly “innocent” exterior. The device only completed a fall that was doomed to happen eventually.
She was most definitely selfish but there’s a difference between watching a child try to get their ball from the middle of the street and literally pushing them into the middle of the street in the hopes a car hits them. The comment regarding wrapping Omadd around her finger is more of a means to get what she wants but there’s no malice behind her words initially. It’s not until she leaves the machine, chokes him with thorny vines, and renames herself Scarlet that she dons a completely new persona.
While she pursued knowledge, she didn’t actively seek demise of individuals caught in her wake. No, she was just an open minded Sylvari who wanted to make her place on the world, to break free from the burden of destiny the Pale Tree put on all Sylvari. Hell, she was afraid when we she saw an unseen force strangling the Pale Tree, she wanted to stop it and we still don’t know what plans she had to follow up with had LA been a success that saw her alive.
That’s not to say she was saving LA by any means however. She was already Scarlet by then and clearly attempted to kill any and all that stood in her way. Saren (Mass Effect) thought the only way to be saved was through joining the Reapers rather than fighting them, although indoctrination played a crucial role as well which he underestimated; he was actively finding ways to combat it so that in the hopes of controlling the Reapers he could ensure the survival of his species and those worthy of being saved.
The aliens in Independence Day had one goal in mind when coming to Earth. Destroy. That was it, there wasn’t any attempt to achieve balance or cultivate the late so they could live in harmony with mankind. No, they saw a species and wanted to eradicate them because they could.
Actually, the more information we’ve gotten this season, the less I feel the “Pale Tree is a dragon champion” theory is valid. Now I’m thinking she was planted above a ley line hub, grew into the flow of magic, and is now essentially Yggdrasill for Tyria.
It still doesn’t explain where the seed came from, why it was in the cave, and what creatures were witnessed guarding it. Why were they guarding it? Etc.
Replace ‘seed’ with ‘baby’ or ‘egg’, and all of those supposed mysteries suddenly explain themselves without dragon involvement.
No they don’t. They just lend to further question of who ordered the Guardians to be there and who the “mother” was – who “mothered” the “mother” and so on. Which could just as much be explained that it was Mordremoth trying to do what Primordus does with the Destroyers, growing its own and kept it for safe keeping in the hopes nothing would interfere – which obviously happens anyways.
A previous generation. We don’t need to resort to intelligent design here. There’s no need for any more complicated explanation than that Ronan basically raided a creche. Or an orphanage.
What previous generation? I want answers, not a blatant “I don’t know” guised as a response. It could all just as much be simplified down to, Mordremoth is an Elder Dragon of earth and fauna – fauna on roids – creates seeds to start the process in forging an army. A man stumbles inside, takes a seed and we end up with the sylvari 250+ years later. Voila, simple and hardly complicated at all.
for crying out loud. No Retcons?
Who said anything about, “No retcons?” I clearly pointed one such retcon that took place for continuity reasons in order for GW:EN to follow up on. There are others but what do the bloodstones have to do with the Foefire in arguing Adelbern was retconed? Answer is simple, none. Perhaps you didn’t get the memo, in trying to keep the topic of discussion regarding Ascalon, I’m saying there are times to throw the retcon-card around and times that should be discouraged to do so.
How do we, as human beings, get good? We practice.
Seriously, can her boy get her sword?
There was no “aspect of Ceara”. Why do people want to idolize – heroize, or whatever – a rather poor character and an obviously pure evil villain at that?
But she wasn’t pure evil….
Despite not being a fan of the character myself, I’m going to have to disagree with you. Ceara and Scarlet were two different personalities and we still don’t know what plans she had to follow up with had she not died in LA at the hands of the player. While I think the whole tragic-villain cliche is often abused in GW2, I don’t think we should let our personal dislike towards the character completely invalidate the character itself. People are just trying to latch onto the lonely little scholar who wanted to pursue knowledge without jeopardizing innocent and unfortunate souls who crossed her path, it wasn’t until Omadd and the events that followed that changed her to not giving a frag.
The aliens in Independence Day were pure evil, Scarlet was not.
When they bring Zhaitan back, it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s “Well you thought you killed him, but he has been reborn !”
While it’s possible at a later date that they could change their mind, the team behind Arah wanted the Story to be the last time we see Zhaitan. It was a bad fight to begin with and not worth repeating. However it should be noted that the same team wanted to bring him back “in some form or another” for EXP-mode which easily means that there was more. So instead, be it out of limited time or lack of interest in going back to him, they just dropped the story and said that was the end.
That however doesn’t mean it was, lore-wise, the end of him completely. He is probably lingering around in “some form or another” waiting for the next cycle.
People keep throwing the word “retcon” around and using superficial comments to justify its use. I don’t think people know what that word even means, rather they throw it around willy-nilly at anything and everything the moment a problem comes up. The only instance I’ve seen a retcon take place for GW1 was when in Factions they made a comment regarding Ascalon and its current affairs only to lead people wondering why the hell Eye of The North was telling it as though the war was still going on.
Otherwise, people are jumping to conclusions because ambiguous lore is ambiguous.
One grueling problem I have with this idea of it going after specific targets such as the Crystal Caverns and Infinity Coil is Concordia. We’re being told that at the time of the attack the Krytan royal locket was in safe keeping. The same group who was keeping the locket safe happened to be ambushed by Mordrem.
Actually, the more information we’ve gotten this season, the less I feel the “Pale Tree is a dragon champion” theory is valid. Now I’m thinking she was planted above a ley line hub, grew into the flow of magic, and is now essentially Yggdrasill for Tyria.
It still doesn’t explain where the seed came from, why it was in the cave, and what creatures were witnessed guarding it. Why were they guarding it? Etc.
Replace ‘seed’ with ‘baby’ or ‘egg’, and all of those supposed mysteries suddenly explain themselves without dragon involvement.
No they don’t. They just lend to further question of who ordered the Guardians to be there and who the “mother” was – who “mothered” the “mother” and so on. Which could just as much be explained that it was Mordremoth trying to do what Primordus does with the Destroyers, growing its own and kept it for safe keeping in the hopes nothing would interfere – which obviously happens anyways.
Select: Make a Character and look at their descriptions.
And yes, the whole thing was written in to give a snowflake race a home.
I can see calling the Sylvari a snowflake race but the Charr…. Is this for real? They weren’t near as shoehorned into the game as the Sylvari were.
Charr were gifted the most amazing and unexplainable industrial revolution ever known.
That’s just them becoming industrialized, we did so too going from horses to trains. Still can’t see them being anymore snowflakey than talking salads that consider themselves Tyria’s gift with their, “All things deserve a right to grow.” :P
It’s easy to revert to the “after two weeks the content is gone forever” mindset that we’re used to, but things have changed. The past isn’t just the past anymore, and if they fix this episode, it will really fix it.
Agreed, due to the replyability of Chapters from here on out – nipping it in the bud and adding to Episode 1 would really solve this issue. Just a couple of lines of dialog and a special book(s) is all that is needed. Have a book in Scarlet’s place referring to Mr. M and the players reaction when speaking to the characters is, “She mentions something about this Mordremoth.”
The characters then question the name and then the player suddenly jumps to the conclusion, “What if it’s the Jungle Dragon!” Cue: Inception-Horn.
And yes, the whole thing was written in to give a snowflake race a home.
I can see calling the Sylvari a snowflake race but the Charr…. Is this for real? They weren’t near as shoehorned into the game as the Sylvari were.
And Bruno, I’m rather blown away that his madness is so readily accepted. What the heck made him so insane?
The Searing for one, an attempt at mass genocide over an area of land in which he refused to leave. Unrelenting forces of Charr trying to breach the wall, never stopping, his son running off on him, said son ends up dying, the Charr are planning an offensive that wouldn’t fail….
I mean pick a branch and start climbing. He became desperate, the Charr were setting captives on effigies when the Flame Legion encompassed the Charr as a whole. Name me one single Ascalonian who wanted to be turned into a ghost. His own steward was terrified of what the king was about to do. he was stabbed by him, and even begged mercy of the Charr who were sent in to assassinate Adelbern.
i’m blown away that someone would actually defend adelbern’s actions. i don’t think even the ascalonians in the game think he was right in it.
I don’t think it’s so much him trying to defend Adelbern but rather him trying to justify his dislike towards Arenanet for the wrong reasons. Now sure, we have plenty of aspects the writers themselves have fudged up but I can’t find a single source of Adelbern being changed yet Obsidian acts like that from GW1 to GW2, there’s some kind of alternate universe going on.
By his logic, he should be chatting away in the Mordremoth name drop but not here.