It bothers me a little bit, but not the fact that they call it Eternal Alchemy (which is really what they call the Universe imo) but the fact that every character who isn’t asura claims he/she saw it.
It’s more of a fancy way of identifying matter. What the asura advocate is that through all things, energy exists within. Whether you have a soul or not, living or dead, every fiber of your being is the collection of energy that takes form. So it would be more of a scientific way for them to understand the Mists – and frankly with the Fractals as evidence, they’re pretty spot on. But it’s more generic than anything. Kind of like how dark matter is proposed to exist through its affects on matter in a zero-G environment – we theorize it exists because for some reason some force is acting WITH gravity to pull things together.
Energy is the frame work, and the mists – infinitely pouring through these frames, represents the innards.
At least that’s my interpretation. Simple mysticism.
As for ED minions being soulless… They aren’t. The 7th Reaper points out that Grenth wants his priest returned. That is to say his soul, as Grenth doesn’t drag your physical body to the Underworld, just your spirit.
Some aren’t soulless. Some are.
We don’t know the case for minions created out of lifeless matter like destroyers and seemingly Mordrem, nor are we really clear on the case for icebrood and branded. But with risen, it seems to be “grunts are soulless, mid-ranked and higher have souls.”
That’s a good point, I’d forgotten about Aliyana. Back to my point – the NC are devoted to spreading the nightmare, which I believe to be Mordremoth’s influence. While not enough to truly corrupt them a-la-branded/icebrood it certainly appears that the nightmare transformation is a step in that general direction. Presumably, based on what station they hold when/if they do get fully corrupted, we can expect the ones in charge to retain their souls, while the grunts could go either way.
I do think it’s a product of Mordremoth’s influence but it’s been so tainted by change that it simply coincides – operating parallel but to a much smaller degree. Mordremoth isn’t at the helm of the NC’s dealings and thanks to The Pale Tree(s) his secret is supposedly being kept so incredibly safe that the NC feel compelled out of some unseen motivation. While Mord could very well be the catalyst to the Nightmare, because of his lack of true involvement things have progressed so slow that the NC has done so on it’s own and in a way may have even perverted the original intent.
Taking note of how minions generally aren’t necessarily smart but conscious standards, I think of Mord being more so hands on the pot – there’s a forcefield preventing him from putting his hands into said pot.
Nightmare Courtiers retaining souls if corrupted by Mordremoth require one very specific question to be answered:
Do sylvari even have souls?
Didn’t they add a something in-game awhile ago theorizing that ghosts are energy constructs? I can’t for the life of me remember where I saw it though.
Anyway, it was wondering the same with the Sylvari. Them being energy constructs given physical form by the Pale Tree(s).
Ventari is by no means Sylvari and yet his ethereal form was incorporated into the Dream. So I wonder if maybe the Pale Tree(s) is creating copies of an original so when the original passes, they’re taken into The Dream. Similar in idea to what created Razah: a culmination of mist that latched itself, figuratively, onto the nearest thing it could relate to and then modeled itself based on it but in essence it was just a mass left alone and allowed to take form.
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I don’t think WP’s big picture theories have ever been correct but a lot of them have been more exciting than what ended up in the game. Most of them have pushed discussions and enthusiasm which resulted in more comprehensive lore threads.
I do think this is a double-edged sword. Which I can relate to because I was there in GW1 in love with the idea that Menzies was trying to pull a powerplay aftert Abaddon’s fall that would jeopardize Balthazaar’s place of power. Unfortunately, what we got was a lousy end-boss fight that consisted of zerging through pools of lava.
What I mean is that it’s nice to get hyped for something but it can be pretty gnarly to get something less of value over it. So people were really need to take what everyone is saying, across all isles, with a grain of salt. Otherwise you lead yourself to disappointment and you start caring less.
Sometimes I wonder if Mordremoth was actually intended to be a target in Season 2 or that because people were just saying it so much that the developers decided it was a good idea to include him. Fan-service as it were.
I’ve been harking on the story for GW2 since it’s debute on PC Magazine back when they were announcing EoTN because it did sound like the whole Dragons was shoehorned in. Now we are dealing with a lot of questionable changes in Living Stories that kind of spit in the face of old lore which I’m not particularly a fan of. However, the biggest issue I’ve had with GW2’s story is how much it differed, in style, from the original. As cartoony as GW1 was, I liked the cutscenes so watching GW2 was like looking at a downgrade. That and of course it felt like our choices didn’t matter, especially after the Risen are introduced and you’ve picked a Pact force to join.
A lot of it comes down to time of day depending on what side of the world you’re on. Some servers have a lot coordination. Watch map chat for people doing call outs, a lot of the time depending on traffic-hours you’ll see people put up event-rotations.
For the millionth time, that is Zhaitan.
No it’s not. It’s got branches and roots all over it and it’s using the generic Tequatl model. But if the plants are to symbolize anything, it has nothing to do with Risen.
We, as GW1 players, know the truth, of course, but the in-game author possibly didn’t.
Oh, Varesh knew quite well what she was doing. :P
Eh, I would say she was a “Villain Sue” but that’s not necessarily a bad thing by title alone. The problem I had was in how she was delivered, which had to do with the script. Shame too because that voice actor is pretty good but be it laziness or or not enough investment; some notes on the character just fell flat.
Yeah, I’m not seeing it. I get that she’s a stern and callous character who will do whatever is necessary. She doesn’t strike me someone who would jump to that extreme to protect a secret. Given how dedicated she was to Destiny’s Edge, reforming it, she’s not stupid enough to jump to such a drastic measure like that. So I think it has to do with something else that has taken place.
You said that the awakening of the Elder Dragons being every roughly 50 years was just the interpretations of NPCs.
This is not the case, they did awaken once every 50-odd years.
Because it is Interpretation in every sense of the word.
to give or provide the meaning of; explain; explicate; elucidate: to interpret the hidden meaning of a parable.
Based on four out of the six, studies infer that dragons wake on a 50 or so year cycle. That is not to say it is in their nature to wake up every single cycle, 50 years apart and that was what I was getting at.
My point in that bit was that there’s really no reason to believe that the activation of the orbs relates to the order of awakening, especially since 4 out of 6 orbs are out of order to this awakening.
I’m just as skeptical but if that was the point of which we were being exposed to, that would kind of tip the timeline over, no?
Exactly, Jeff is referring to this cycle. This cycle, the Elder Dragons awoke 50 years from each other.
Ok in regards to the whole “Rule of 50”. I said there was no must to it, it’s based on what takes place and went on in this cycle. You called that assertion false but then you go off post what was posted above. I don’t understand, you tell me what is already known while trying to prove me wrong on what again?
There is no “interpretation” for their awakening dates; except the exact date of the DSD’s awakening. Unless there are two “deepest” parts of the waters of Tyria (which kind of means… one isn’t the deepest).
That’s exactly where the interpretation stems from. Based on observation. Within the past 250 years to now 99.9% of the species that exist within these eras have never seen an Elder Dragon. The 00.1% are those such as Dwarves, Seers, Mursaat, Forgotten, and the Jotun – none of which mention anything about a “Rule of 50.” It’s stated nowhere in game or in books that there is a vanguard for each dragon who comes out every 50 years and makes preparations for their master’s arrival. Only what we can infer on this current cycle, gives us any clue but there’s no guide-line or practice. Hence, we “interpret” their current actions to gain a better understanding.
No, what Grubb is saying, in trying to fill the gaps, is the attempt to give us a timeline. That timeline doesn’t define the Dragon’s nature because we haven’t been given any detail of past cycles having this exact pattern. That’s my point.
I mean already the numbers themselves are estimates. Because he’s not giving an exact number, no when he gave 50 and added “or so” he’s basically saying the number itself is undetermined. Rounding and all that jibberish, so again there’s no base line in nature to express that it’s anything more than observational studies and stories past down from generation to generation – which we all should know how the game of telephone works.
I prefer the idea that it represents their birth/creation (oldest to youngest) or even their level of strength (with strongest to weakest).
That’s fine… I guess? Speculators will speculate. I mean, I can’t tell you that you’re wrong and I certainly don’t have any other form of idea that could possibly contradict that. All I can do is shrug and say, “Cool.” Their origins on Tyria predate the Gods, that’s saying a lot in such a simple way.
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But are there other spots?
As far as I’m aware, no, although I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s how they open up more to the zone in the next chapter.
That’d be my guess or something. Just seems odd that there’s all of these trees that give a seed but the one thing that spawns the vine bridge is a Skritt after the Mordrem event.
Given that it is supposed to be depicting the Eternal Alchemy and a seemingly orderly system, it is expected that the lighting up of the orbs is a logical and not an artistic phenomenon.
I can accept that. My whole take is that if we focus on every little detail we’re going to encounter inconsistencies so I would rather play it close and not jump to conclusions too quickly. Otherwise that to me raises hopes and I’ve been down that road before where you catch onto an idea so well that when you’re given the answer, you end up disappointed because it wasn’t what was expected.
Here’s lookin’ at you EoTN. :P
There’s some merit but then it again throws a cog out of the machine that claims the “rule of 50”. It would mean that Mord and Kral did not spawn they should have, so this whole every-50 years cannot be applied. I mean that’s only explanation I can think of to suggest what we see in the order in which they light up and move; something delayed these two. Intervention. Be it divine or accident.
orr didn’t even know zhaitan was a thing. all having an orrian emblem indicates is a tie to orr, not zhaitan.
I feel like critiquing this point. While I can agree with everything else you’ve stated, the gods did choose the placement of Orr based on the energies it gave off. The link is there, Zhaitan was the source as believed by Arah EXP. Think of it like radioactive decay, if you stick around too long you can contract radiation sickness. Considering that, it’s possible that items became contaminated and so for some reason or another, reacted.
False.
No it’s not. There’re no accounts for the past cycle to suggest that this is the way it has always been. We only know in the span of 250 years, that each dragon that we are specifically aware of, have woken in 50, “or so”, years apart from each other. Furthermore, Mordremoth breaks that chain doesn’kitten
Jeff Grubb himself said they awoke every 50 years or so. So it isn’t merely based on what “NPC historians can account for based on visual and here-say interpretation.”
This doesn’t explain anything. As we make note, Mordremoth. Who either has awoken 7 years ahead of schedule or late if the interpretation of the ending cutscene is to be taken literally. So no, it isn’t a law or natural repeating process – it’s based on limited sources.
Reread that quote. Grubb is talking about within the past 250 years. He’s relaying to the current cycle in explaining the time leap from GW1 to GW2. As he said, 250 years is a long time in human terms but quite instant in the grand scheme of all things – so that’s a lot of history gaps that need filling in. Not that it’s a law or necessity, he doesn’t denounce the possibility of being coincidence.
And even then, the orbs cannot account awakening order, since we know Kralkatorrik was after Zhaitan, but here we have Kralkatorrik’s orb shining before Zhaitan’s.
I agree here. People are taking the orbs too literal and not for the artistic renditions that they are. Though at the same time they can be answered with a little ingenuity in assessing what is going on but that doesn’t quite clear up the inconsistencies, leading to more questions and speculation – likely the lack of answers that would solve everything at once, to follow.
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Were there obelisk shards in Concordia?
No, what is eluded to having been in Timberline Falls, and at Concordia at one point, was a locket that showed the current heir or Kryta. But don’t let that stop you:
WP just made a video talking about the Bloodstones
We know the gods used King Doric to seal the Bloodstones. It is therefore believed that only an heir can unlock them. As to how this may play out, whether it matches to what WP speculates or not, is anybody’s guess.
Quite possibly Mordremoth’s interest in the locket is because he doesn’t know who the current descendant of Doric is.
I do think it’s possible that MoP is heading towards the Bloodstone in the Meguuma. As to why, I can’t imagine. However, I don’t think he has the keystone in his pack – the keystone was massive. Unless if they’re trying to explain it has been shattered to pieces since Abaddon’s Mouth erupted. Although at the same time, it does raise further speculation as to what role the Zephyrites have been playing the past two seasons in regards to the Dragons. We’re lead to believe that this trip was common as of last Season, that they travel West for some unknown reason. Maybe they do stop at the bloodstone and try to tuck away power – the others who are supposed to know where MoP is going must know the why. That and he was being very cryptic in an effort, which I believe, to keep thing quiet so the information doesn’t fall into the wrong hands.
That does raise the question though, where is Ellen? Right now my guess is with Ellen but I’m not 100% loyal to that speculation. I only say her because she’s absent and she was the one with the greatest mode of transportation outside of Waypoints.
That’s definitely possible.
It is also possible to have multiple champions at a single time.
Yup, coincidentally I was also thinking this earlier. Because over Arah we see multiple Tequatl-like dragons roaming freely. Tequatl is just unique in that it was a name given to it by the Hylek for attacking them.
I think it’s a matter of preparation. We only saw one Great Destroyer because the Destroyers were still in the process of rising and building a force. There’s no telling what Pimo has done with his free time since awakening when he did. And of course running through Arah story on a ship, we see plenty of lesser dragons, same species at Tequatl, roaming in droves – Zhaitan has been active for quite some time.
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I want to believe its Livia but I doubt that’ll happen.
Mordy isn’t trying to just attack her though. It seems he is either trying to corrupt her or usurp her position as “the center”. If he is trying to corrupt her in some way, that implies she probably wasn’t corrupted in the first place.
Or he’s trying to restrain her and utilize the Pale Tree’s resources. So yes, he is trying to attack her according to Scarlet vision. However at this point he’s been reluctant to approach the Grove. So far nothing in the Grove or outside has changed to signify he’s moving towards it.
I would have preferred to keep DE and change their voice actors.
And if it’s a payment issue, that’s a rather terrible planning on their part.
I don’t think it’s a paying issue, it’s an availability issue. Voice Actors require contracts but they can only be in one place at a time.
Currently I support the theory that, in the Entanglement cinematic, the orb uniting into the center is Zaithan, with its energy returning to Tyria.
I just don’t see why there are so many theorys about the GREEN orb being Zaithan and the greyish one (therefore) being Mordremoth… It makes just way more sense the other way around.
I think it was the way they became active and started to glow. The Green orb lit up before the grey one which would be saying the cycle has Mordremoth waking before Zaithan.
Not to mention we’re assuming that the order of movement has any real legitimate meaning behind it. I don’t think Mord woke up 7 years early. I’m of the opinion at this moment that he’s been late and what we were looking at is the natural process in the cycle, not our specific cycle that we are witnessing.
If I am right then order is right. Primordus was first to be awaken (red orb). Next was probably deep sea dragon (dark blue). I know that his influence was registred later but it doesn’t matter because ocean is so big that it could take some time for it to be noticed.
Rest of dragons: Jormag (bright blue), Zhaitan (dark green), Kralkatorrik (purple) and Mordremoth (black/yellow).
It’s not Zhaitan. Explain why the orb would suddenly fly in our face followed by the same rumble of a growl that was featured during the still-framed cutscene from Season 1? That was Mordremoth’s iconic growl. The imagery isn’t there to support Zhaitan, he’s the black and white and lights up with a sickly yellow hue. If anything his colors were neon-yellow which is what emanated from him during Arah Story.
Again this brings me to what I’m saying above, we’re assuming the order shown in this cutscene is legitimate. If it is, and Mord is dark green, it would mean Mord was supposed to have woken up a while ago and something or someone had been delaying it.
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And this continues to be my beef with Wooden Potatoes. He makes a lot of really fun videos, but he so often gets the lore wrong. And then we get an explosion on the forums of people following up on what he said in the video, and we have to explain all the things he got wrong. I wish he would fact check a bit more often. Perhaps check in with the lore community every now and… well… ever.
I have a lot of respect for WP. At the conclusion of Season 1, he did a special video basically running down all of his predictions made in preparation for Season 1 and talked about what he got wrong, what was mislead, what he missed, etc. The fault isn’t with WP, it’s more the audience thinking that he’s right all the time (when he has actually gone out of his way to point out his errors in reflection of past projects) that creates the issue.
The orbs seem to light up in the order the dragons awoke, except for Zhaitan/Mordremoth.
It was Mordremoth. The question is whether the order is legitimate or not. Were it so, it would imply he should have woken up already but his awakening was delayed by some form or another – hence Scarlet actively seeking and finally finding a way to start everything in motion.
There’s no rule or law stating that dragons must wake up every 50 years. It’s only what the NPC historians can account for based on visual and here-say interpretation.
Scarlet Briar Hologram: “But I know better. I know you. How nasty you fight, how you think…what you did. And what you did is soooo nasty.”
This line… I just can’t read them with a straight face. xD
“Your dirty-dirty girl!”
That user name….
Mystery Tonic gave me Eagle Raptor and this is the result.
Oh man, that third pic of the Raptor is just priceless. It’s like Philosoraptor stumbled through the internet and is zoning into GW2.
Similarly I don’t think if Destroyers were mentioned as race in previous awakening of dragons.
Uh, the Dwarves knew exactly what the Destroyers were:
GW WIKIDwarven legends say that they are the heralds of the Great Destroyer and that their purpose is to clear Tyria of all life in order to prepare for their master’s final arrival.
I think that the added information that the Pale Tree is the supposed “center” of the world/magic, and that Mordremoth is attacking her and trying to possibly corrupt her, is more proof that they aren’t connected.
As soon as Kralk awoke, he bum-rushed it South for dat Glint booty. The objective hardly
“proves” anything.Could you clarify that statement? It’s a bit vague. The objective (trying to kill or possibly corrupt her) hardly proves anything? I would disagree, since it gives information about the intent and possible circumstances the Elder Dragon has towards its objective.
What I was saying is that you cl;aim that because Mord is attacking the Pale Tree that it would mean the Pale Tree couldn’t be a champion, lieutenant, or what have you. In Glints case, Kralk set out to kill her, who was his champion, for his own personal reasons. The motive doesn’t necessarily act as “proof”.
Ok, Varesh had a few years window to accomplish this “we didn’t see it” feat. Ok. But no free Centaur we work with brings it up despite the event having to be within somewhat recent memory? So now I have to assume, for poor plots sake, they all forgot. No matter. A wizard did it. Makes as much sense.
No, they don’t bring it up. Just as Germans do not bring up World War 2. Instead what we get is a enraged Zhed who sees us as no more than means to an end. Zhed was pretty close to hating humanity but the only reason he cooperated was because we were the only assistance he had. The whole, “Enemy of my enemy is my not-so friend.” Motivation was a powerful unseen element.
Basically that under the premise of an alliance and working together, the centaurs “accepted” slavery.
I don’t see this as contradicting GW1 lore, just not telling the full story – only the bit of the story we never heard in GW1.
Agreed. If anything it’s telling the story from her eyes prior to the events of Nightfall, which we as players never got to witness. From what I infer on her writing is that she knew what she was doing and she was remarking on the fact that the Centaurs did not and instead fell for it. They had to eventually get bound in chains sooner or later, this “alliance” was likely that precursor.
Those are the words of Ossa, not the developers.
My propaganda-senses are tingling.
Yes, this is told through Varesh Ossa’s outlook on things. It’s easy to assume she was conceited and saw things differently.
I think that the added information that the Pale Tree is the supposed “center” of the world/magic, and that Mordremoth is attacking her and trying to possibly corrupt her, is more proof that they aren’t connected.
As soon as Kralk awoke, he bum-rushed it South for dat Glint booty. The objective hardly
“proves” anything.
If we are to assume that Pale Trees share a hive-like mind and communicate with each other, then this is very probable.
What I think happened was Scarlet discovered the truth, the origins of their kind and that what was supposed to happen didn’t. Instead, the Pale Tree (because of its influence by Ronon and Ventari) hid these truths away to prevent its people from “falling” back into their general purpose. It could be argued that while the Nightmare Court is still protected by the dream, that in attacking the Dream they are coincidentally coinciding with Mordremoth’s demands.
There’s also the possibility that Mordremoth was late in awakening, not early. So rather than answer the call in the way that the Sylvari “should” have, it took Scarlet to become under the influence to realize that order must be established – hence attacking Lion’s Arch. Similar to Primordus, The Great Destroyer was trying to make way for its master and influenced the process that would lead to Primo’s emergence. There’s a few issues but I do think there’s an underlying connection between the Sylvari and Mordremoth because one must ask where the Seed(s) came from. My thoughts are that they did come from Mordremoth but with his influence shrouded and kept in secret, they evolved in a different manner than what was originally intended for them as a species. All because of intervention by a human and a centaur whose ideals were projected onto the Seed(s) as it developed.
I fully recognize that I am speculating greatly so I’m interested in seeing what will be proved or disproved in this season.
So Caithe’s naughty little secret is that she may have gone into the machine as well!
If you have the bluebrint for the Blades back piece there’s a quote there from Scarlet saying: “Caithe, someday you’ll see, Tyria needs me. -Scarlet”
They encountered one another before and had a discussion to some extent or other and clearly Scarlet was doing more than just trying to disrupt the Ley Lines. It can be deduced that Scarlet was trying to prove something.
My thoughts are that she uncovered the secrets the Pale Tree was hiding and as always, she encountered skeptics. Caithe being one who believed the Pale Tree, likely doubted what Scarlet had to say and so Scarlet looked elsewhere for aid which lead her into contracting the forces she acquired through her journeys.
There is atleast one other Dragon champion we know of that was active 250 years ago in Cantha. Kuunavang….
We don’t know that for certain. It’s still a stretch at this point.
Please make it a reward skin and not a gemstore item -_-
It won’t be even if only because not every class ckittene GS and therefore offering it as the reward would be useless to those who only play classes that don’t use the GS. There has never been a class exclusive in game reward before, don’t think we’ll see one now.
What’re you talking about, Scarlet’s Rifle….. Rangers can’t use Rifles.
So maybe we are mixing things up if the rotating is them being awalk then why would smashing into the world be them awaking agen? I belive the full green is zhaitan and his smashing into the center orb is representative of his death the gray green must be morde becoming full active. I think what happning is zhaitan power is or has become one with the pail tree or terya (not sure how you spell it.)
Zhaitan isn’t falling into the center. Look at the scene. The dark green globe falls in, it spreads, we zoom in towards it like it’s the eye of Sauran spotting us, and then you hear the same rumble of a growl we heard during the conclusion of Season 1. The globe that fell in the center is Mord – Zhaitan’s globe remains “inactive” on the outside because we put him back to sleep while the others wait their turn.
To me them not moving means they are asleep once a small beam of light that comes from the center the start to move that is them awakening why would smashing into the center and exploding be another awaking? Though i could be wrong there more to the orbs then just the dragons though the dragons are part of the orbs there just seems to be more being said there that we do not simply have the full story.
I don’t think he’s awakening, I think it’s showing you assimilation of Tyria itself. Hence the vines in mass (we’re not talking sprouts) attack Concordia. It shows reach. Besides, that doesn’t explain why Prim, Kral, Jorm, and Bubb are all active as well; for a time so was Zhaitan. Wouldn’t they all be crashing into center one after another and eventually piling on top of each other?
Well we never saw it’s corpse soooooo I eagerly await the next time Trahearne takes credit for everything.
Assuming he doesn’t get killed by Mord this season…
Actually….
eep in mind you can no longer see that and it was taken out of the game. Also, Devs commenting on Zhaitan implied that Arah EXP was supposed to have Zhaitan’s presence in some form or another and they identify that corpse as “A dragon” not “The Zhaitan”. So there were a lot of plans but quite a bit was stripped which isn’t uncommon, that’s how DLCs come about actually. What we can infer is that they wanted to do more but made a conscious decision to step on the breaks.
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This is an aspect of the living world I think Anet could do some improvement on. Adjusting the NPCs present to reflect on current events, making them seem like they’re paying attention.
Well… that’s a lot of NPCs.
I’m not saying every NPC in the game should reflect but I am saying guards such as the Seraph in Fort Selma, perfect example. Selma is destroyed and they’re focused on the Centaurs because they still stuck in the past (launch).
So we know about whats going on with Marjory but I like a theory crafted on Reddit that I hope A-net pays attention to because this to me would be the making of Jory as a character.
That’s not going to happen. This story is, while possibly still in develop, at least thus far is already written in stone. That means in a week and a half from now Episode 4 is ready to go (assuming they keep to this two-week schedule) It’s like publishing half the book and hoping they’ll change chapter 5 (the book having 20 chapters). Chapter 5 is already set, so they have a specific vision.
That is why every time you want to speculate and theorize, you have to consider what you say with a grain of salt.
zhaitan awoke before kralkatorrik, and there’s absolutely no way to spin that fact around.
This is true. There was a lot of suspicion over Risen activity and how Lions Guard knew there was activity but the whole point of the Personal Story was that suddenly Risen Activity approached the shores of Tyria and began spreading.
This is an aspect of the living world I think Anet could do some improvement on. Adjusting the NPCs present to reflect on current events, making them seem like they’re paying attention.
Well what kind of secret she is hiding it is dark enough to be kept from even the most trusted allies.
Perhaps it maybe information about what the Elder Dragon’s origins or something even more plot twisting or lore defining (being that the lore provided by her could change what we know about GW lore as we know it).
It’d be only Episode 3 so I don’t expect answers without adding more questions. :P
But then why’s the pale tree in what seems to be the center of eternal alchemy? Go figure. I think we might be stuck with sylvari for a while. Bow to your new overlords! (j/k)
Who said it was in the center of the whole picture? You practically flew through it. When we get a glimpse of what we believe is the Eternal Alchemy (7 orbs) I didn’t see a tree….
Please make it a reward skin and not a gemstore item -_-
Or perhaps the Pale Tree is “possessed” by the real “facet” of Tyria and the Pale Tree is originally a champion of Mordremoth.
Right now this is the winning theory for me, as I’m sure others agree but it’s my own take and I’m fully aware that I could be wrong so it’s just a theory. I think it works best and would answer the riddle of, “Where did the seed come from.” It could also give reason as to why Mordrem exist in the first place, the Pale Tree denying Mord’s influence would mean Mord couldn’t get his “creations” to answer his call – which would also mean that the Pale Tree(s) was actively delaying his awakening.
Right now we look at the Mordrem and debate this way and that about their significance. I’m of the belief, right now anyways, that the reason why the Grove was able to grow as healthy as it did is because it didn’t have enough of Mordremoth’s presence to guide his “creations” in developing. Which would give reason as to why the Fern Hounds in Sylvari territory are healthy and loving, without a violent and destructive master – the Pale Tree(s) actively influenced them in a different way than what was originally intended.
Of course that would beg the question why he’s not going for the Pale Tree(s) and focusing elsewhere. Maybe there’s a grander scheme but when Kral awoke, he went straight South for dat booty – dat Glint booty.
I just don’t want to see The Pale Tree become a dragon (especially considering there’s supposedly more than out there) or Tyria’s immune system where as we know the Dragons work by reshaping the landscape and making way for new life to spawn. After this threat or Mord is put to an end, we could finally move onto the others and not need guidance from Sylvari :P
That and you hear a rumble. There’s also the possibility our character is confused and through progression of the story we will suddenly start making out the details. You hear that a lot especially surrounding UFO cases where people dwell on what they saw and begin picking out new details weeks, months, or even years down the road. We could revisit this vision to a larger extent or the Pale Tree could enlighten us further. However, the ominous feeling of that oh so beautiful and common saying, “When you look into the Abyss, something looks back.” It was present and I think that’s what our characters are basing their best estimated guess on.
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I’m in agreement with Palador. Locking content based on progression through dungeons is a bad idea. Sounds great in theory but given how dungeon runs work currently as they are, it would be too much of a hassle than its worth.
Not sure who, but one of the writers has an annoying habit of focusing on one character and making them way too freaking special. And Kasmeer is really starting to feel like that character this time around.
It probably wouldn’t be bad to me if they didn’t try to put some kind of “magical property” to her “ability”. In real life you can periodically guess right that someone is lying by the tone of voice, expression, use of language, etc. So were she just to be an adept expression reader, that would have been perfectly fine – it would just mean she paid close attention to details. However, based on commentary it sounds like there’s some kind of mystical aspect tied to it that just leaves me lifting an eyebrow.
Not that it’s terrible as is, just I think they were trying to play that “special” card hard. Then again, Kas was pretty clumsy and weak in Season 1 until just about the conclusion where she actually started to be more confident in her capabilities.