Guild Wars 2

Carighan.6758:

I hope Dry Top gets chains as the zone expands. Really do. Chains are the really amazing part of events in Gw2.

I’m curious whether it will expand at all or we’ll just get the next zone over. Dry Top in Guild Wars 1 was small.

The map hasn’t really changed unless I’m mistaken. Meguuma Falls was always present in the map as of months ago before Season 1’s conclusion. However with that being said, oh of course I would love to go back. This has been one of my grueling criticisms towards Living World Season 1, we didn’t explore much of anything – we were taken back to the same zones we could visit on our own.

Which is the primary reason why I enjoy Dry Top, it’s a new and permanent area for us. If they keep this going a week from Tuesday we’ll see the next section and so on.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

How about DEs than? …. Like Orr

It’s a shame because I actually liked the concept of Orr. What killed it were the constant bugs that hampered certain DEs so you couldn’t really achieve the endgame in Straights of Devastation. By the time they were fixed, the place became a ghost town and to add further to it, Living World started up which drew people away.

Personally, I would like to see them take a map if a little bit bigger than Dry Top and try to recreate experiences like those on Orr again.

draxynnic.3719:

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Fascinating stuff, truly. It was a bad analogy on my part. I was thinking from the perspective of ingenuity and it’s application.

But:

It takes human activity to extract the materials and put them together.

This is my point exactly. It requires intervention. Similarly, that is what the Asura have done. So we bring ourselves back to square one.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

If we know it is impossible, then there must be proof that shows it is impossible. Otherwise it is a possibility; a mere chance; unproven; an unknown.

Not really. Again, you’re spinning yourself in a circle trying to argue with the benefit of the doubt but we don’t see these things nor hear about them happening naturally. Take a look at what we know, no where else in the world have we heard or seen the existence of mixed-minions. In looking at Crucible of Eternity, it was an established and isolated case. Since we do not know what experiments were conducted and how, there’s no guarantees. CoE is questionable while also the prospect of it occurring naturally outside “unlikely” without further information. It’s simply improbable without active intervention.

A lab doesn’t experiment itself.

You question what he said, thus denying his view as correct but only as “potentially correct.”

I presume he meant what he was saying. He is a villain after all.

Typically the means of taking in lore is by taking things by what the NPCs say except when there’s evidence to argue otherwise, otherwise we’ll just be second-guessing anything and everything we are told in the game.

Put simply, it’s a choice you make. I choose to ask questions in the hopes of finding more information and answers.

And you ignore everything else or the point of mentioning that. Ossuary of the Unquiet Dead – if you paid any proper attention – had the risen being created by setting the corpses into radiation of Zhaitan’s corruption – the event (both those in Orr and outside it) lack that “setting corpses into radiation of Zhaitan’s corruption” and have, unlike in Ossuary of the Unquiet Dead, instantaneous corruption.

I see what you’re saying. I had to go back and do reading this morning for cross reference. There still needs to be a source and according to the wiki, risen do seethe with residual corruption but numbers improve the effects. Kellach is a unique case in that it could be argued the process of corruption for resurrections wasn’t complete or the corpses weren’t around long enough.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Various events in Orr show NPCs being killed and raised immediately – such as the group event “Defeat the Vigil Tactician that was taken over by Zhaitan.”

Crucial point is bolded. Consider the topography….

Kellach, having been killed around risen, should have returned as a risen if he wasn’t already corrupted.

Or a necessary object/ritual is still required that is not present and since we also eliminate the mode of transportation, obviously the link is not connected. We do not know, it is difficult to say. Kellach was a rare case in that, acting similar to Scarlet where he sees Zhaitan as a threat and, in mind, he feels he can stop him.

Corporal Kellach was a soldier in the Seraph guard. Being greatly devoted to Kryta, he sought a power that would allow him to safeguard Queen Jennah and his home. To do this, he sought the aid of a seer, Alastia Crow. She led Kellach to an old arifact from the Ruins of Orr which contained Zhaitan’s influence and power. This power slowly corrupted Kellach, turning him insane and a beacon for the risen to follow.

There’s interaction prior to players meeting him and the mention of a relic from orr At first all it does is clearly activate his instincts to protect Kryta, enhancing “fight or flight” while at the same time lending him to assist Zhaitan’s goals. If that’s not corruption, I don’t know what else to tell you.

Additionally, it is peculiar at how similar Kellach and Scarlet act and while different the two act as mirrors to one another. So, with nothing to prove that Sylvari can be corrupted by the other EDs but she is in some way acting under Mord’s influence, we come full circle yet again arriving to the question of whether or not the susceptibility of the Sylvari is due to an unseen root (pun intended) connection.

The topic is not how the Elder Dragons interact, but how their minions do. So saying there are no dragons in CoE… sounds irrelevant to me.

I simply disagree. In order for Dragon Corruption to take place, there needs to be a willful and conscious decision being made. What we see are dragon minions being housed in a facility and experimented on. There’s still not enough information throughout the lab to suggest the final experiments weren’t imitations.

At this point, you’re denying NPC commentary without evidence countering them being right.

I’m not denying anything, read what I said. Keyword: Presume. Because all we have to go off of is his commentary and the evidence of his experiments with no additional oversight or lore. Therein by we are taking everything witnessed in CoE at face value, I simply question but am not denying what he says. Kudu certainly thought he was in control, most villains do.

You seem to be actively seeking an “I win” argument by planting things that are not there. When I bring corrections or clarification up, you try to change the subject while aiming for the same goal. I am not here to say I am right or wrong, which you seem to misinterpret purposefully; I am however discussing with the use of speculation and waiting for further evidence to prove my speculations as false or incomplete.

No. I expect you to provide proof for your claim that we know that it is impossible.

If we know it is impossible, then there must be proof that shows it is impossible. Otherwise it is a possibility; a mere chance; unproven; an unknown.

These two statements of yours contradict one another. It’s unfeasible. And you’re promoting the double-entrendre at the same time. I don’t understand how you think this is a logical retort. There’s no proof (with the exception of CoE which we have already covered) to show it is possible… outside of CoE. So if we’re to take the same process that we grant Kudu, taking things at face value, why is it suddenly “wrong” of me to assume these things do not occur outside?

Yes, you admitted that you accept the lack of existence outside but you keep trying to say it “can” happen. When I said, I believe it is “unlikely” you immediately dial back to prove me wrong through my lack of evidence supporting the non-existence. There’s nothing that can be provided at this time hence I speculate that the lack of existence is an answer in of itself. I’m not saying I’m right, I’m telling you what I think and that there is a stark difference.

Primordus corrupts rock and lava, not fossils or tissue, however.

Right. What I’m saying is, Primordus would be the closest thing to it but far from it at the same time.

Were he to take a Sylvari corpse, he could likely break it down to minerals and leave the nutrients. What you would get are Harpies or Trolls so technically the Sylvari wouldn’t be corrupted at all, just utilized as a resource to aid in the construction process – effectively changing nothing about the end result of the creation.

JusticarArkiel.1564:

Ronin.7381:

DragonFlykm.8621:

Does anyone know if u were to unlock the 2 skins, can you then use the items to make the mantle as well? Has anyone tried, cause otherwise you would need 2 copies of each item to have all 3 skins in total.

I believe you have to unlock each skin individually before crafting otherwise it just binds the Mantle by default. But don’t quote me on that as I bought the scarf and goggles individually and then unlocked them each before getting to 400 and crafting the mantle. Wouldn’t come as a surprise if it did unlock all three skins upon crafting the mantle in that case.

you can just craft the combined headgear, it unlocks all the previous skins as soon as you do, and its automatically account-bound

I see, shame the skin isn’t universal though.

Sankofa Jimiyu.1567:

But I digress.
As to there being another Sylvari, I could hope (hope being some vague future release), that we would find one from the awakening Echovald Forest. This would not only possibly open up Cantha for us again, but perhaps find that Syilvari there, at least what we define as Sylvari, may have turned out completely different based on life in that area of Tyria. Perhaps the secrets of their tree will have some answers that we would not have access to otherwise.

Or it could just be a neat twist.

I’m not holding my breath for any information about Cantha in this season. Were I leading the story direction team, I’d tie it with the Tengu because they’re the one race who has a legitimate reason to go back.

We still have Mallyck however who supposedly came from a tree further West of the Pale Tree and somewhere in the Maguumas. Would like to see a lesser known NPC (since you only meet him if you’re a Sylvari) take sort of a pivotal role in the story of this season to determine how the nature of Sylvari operates and differs.

Guess we’ll see.

They did say towards the conclusion of Season 1 that through developing Season 2 they learned a lot and planned on working harder for the following Seasonal updates. I’m ok with this, personally.

ricky markham.8173:

lack of reward hurts it but i think overall its better then anything they release for season 1

I think the problem is they took what should have been rewards and made them based on RNG.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Kellach is not freed of Zhaitan’s influence except when he’s killed (and he doesn’t rise again). So… that argument kind of goes out the window.

In order for corpses to be risen, as the story in Orr shows us, they must be taken back to Orr in droves and delivered directly. So whether Kellach was free or not remains to be determined. What would happen if his corpse was brought to Orr and sent on those corpse-ships? I think we would have a completely different situation.

You’ve been saying it isn’t possible, not that it isn’t likely.

I’ve since clarified by the past couple of posts in saying it wasn’t likely. CoE is the only place to our knowledge that something like this takes place and as I’ve stated, I find the practices in those experiments questionable.

We see dragon minions interact in CoE.

Minions not dragons. Minions. Which begs the question why the Husks and Nightmare Hounds are present.

And as far as we know, Kudu did have control

Actually we presume he had control. And as you say, the monster is quickly dispatched right after. I could toss that easily to arrogance on Kudu’s part and we were but the subject of which the monster could hone its aggression on.

I have admitted that we have not seen creatures corrupted by multiple dragons outside CoE.

And nothing more needs to be said in my defense. That’s been my point all along. It is from that statement I draw my conclusions until I am proven otherwise. I can move on from being proven wrong, could you say the same?

If anyone’s circling, it is you.

Your logic astounds me. You expect me to provide proof of somethings lack of existence as if its tangible. This whole one-up manship isn’t going to fly because it makes absolutely no sense. If someone doesn’t believe in gods and is asked to prove that gods don’t exist, how do you bring forth proof of it’s non-existence?

I have not said CoE is proof that it does happen. I said that CoE is proof that it can happen.

And I have stated that under specific circumstances that it did happen – inside of CoE. Therefore that out in the natural world of Tyria, it is unlikely to happen because so far we have no evidence to prove it has happened. That could change but until then, it hasn’t and there’s no benefit to me to speculate further on it.

To bring the point home, Sylvari still have not been seen corrupted by any other Elder Dragon. So therein by saying Sylvari are corruptible by all of the EDs is highly suspect. We know Primordus uses rock and Zhaitan uses corpses but for whatever reason (suspected to be the Pale Tree) they cannot be turned. Now while the Pale Tree idea sounds solid, once life has returned to the earth they would leave a body behind and we know from Primordus that he doesn’t need to corrupt things but instead manifest them from the materials of the earth; yet not a single Destroyer of the Sylvari are present.

It makes this particular topic of discussion interesting.

I actually managed to get the diving achievement while still dying. Hit the water but it wasn’t deep enough to float in. GG!

Anything that makes you immune to CCs through procs of stability do well. As a warrior I have: Dolyak Signet, Balance Stance, Signet of Rage, and Defiant Stance (being that I use Greatsword and Rifle).

The one attack you need to watch out for is the 360 ground-pound she’ll use. What I did was as soon as I saw the telegraphic attack, I give half a second and jump. She’ll do this two-three times in a row.

Keep to her back and beat her down asap.

Prophet.6257:

comanche.6813:

We could always kill one of our Destiny’s Edge 2.0, unfortunately, it would probably be one of the humans. My character is Sylvari, so that completes the group perfectly.

No, very fortunately. Hopefully it’s Kasmeer.

Marjory is a very interesting character but Kasmeer seems so shallow and boring. Maybe she dies in the jungle or waste if we’re lucky.

I’m thinking it will be Belinda. We’ll see though.

Marjory was supposedly the one to have been up for the chopping block in Season 1 until evidence of spoilers became widely known. I don’t expect ANet to try again with the same character.

However I’m skeptical that either Marjory or Kasmeer will be dying simply because what their relationship represents. A lot of people would be outraged if I were to hazard a guess. So I think, if a death is going to happen, it would be some minute character whom has a connection to the characters of our story – that being Belinda as she is Marjory’s sister.

lordkrall.7241:

LS2 have also had 1 permanent zone released, and it have only just started.

And this is just Episode 1 of Season 2. I suggest to people that don’t like this episode to, while periodically checking in every update to load up the next episode, come back a couple months from now so they can play multiple episodes in tandem.

CeruleanRevolver.6085:

inb4 Necro/Mesmer JP new meta.

I’d be perfectly fine with that if they give all classes some kind of jump-to or shadow-step utility.

Who is to say the next cast would be any better, though?

Konig Des Todes.2086:

While, yes, we don’t see it happening in the wild, this doesn’t prove that it cannot happen in the wild, it just means we don’t see it.

Through all of this talk about asking for proof, I’ve been arguing this point. However my take is obviously different. We don’t see it outside and so I do not believe it occurs outside; there’s no presence of it happening. If I don’t see it it, I think it’s safe to assume it doesn’t exist until proven otherwise. The day we see a Brood-brand or Husk-Brand/Brood is the day I will be proven wrong and will accept it. Until then, I stand by my opinion.

Crucible of Eternity is not valid “proof”. It’s a lab that defies the natural order of the Dragons for the sake of experimentation and curiosity. Because CoE is isolated and successful practices have not been seen or heard elsewhere, I am under the impression that it is not only unlikely that it happens outside but that it doesn’t happen.

DragonFlykm.8621:

Does anyone know if u were to unlock the 2 skins, can you then use the items to make the mantle as well? Has anyone tried, cause otherwise you would need 2 copies of each item to have all 3 skins in total.

I believe you have to unlock each skin individually before crafting otherwise it just binds the Mantle by default. But don’t quote me on that as I bought the scarf and goggles individually and then unlocked them each before getting to 400 and crafting the mantle. Wouldn’t come as a surprise if it did unlock all three skins upon crafting the mantle in that case.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The sick quaggans aren’t part of the risen forces. But Kellach is, as the risen follow and listen to him, but still very alive.

In life no but yes, in death they are. Zhaitan couldn’t resurrect Risen without corpses. Kellach is spared death and free’d of Zhaitan’s influence, so he doesn’t have a corpse to offer.

But you’re stating that it isn’t possible, and that such impossibility is a fact. Yet you provide no support for this claim.

It isn’t likely, is what I have been stating. You’re looking for absolutes, you wont find them.

I’m not trying to spin in circles – you’re just bringing us back to the same point whenever I ask you for your support. And by doing such, your ignoring the crux of my point
We don’t see any interaction of dragon minions in the open world. The only interaction we see is at Crucible of Eternity.

And your point is faulty because we aren’t seeing the dragons interact in Crucible of Eternity. We’re seeing experiments conducted using their energy, not will power and furthermore there’s again the same problem of whether or not the presence are legitimate or imitations. Imitations in that, villains like Kudu are often naive in thinking they have control until they lose it.

But the fact of the matter is that we do not know this. It is a mere possibility, with no support against except the lack of evidence, and no support for except that it can be done in a controlled environment.

You said that we know it cannot be done. So I asked you for your source. You do not provide.

The only support I have is the lack of evidence suggesting that this has occurred elsewhere. All the same, you have not proven to me it has happened outside of Crucible of Eternity, when I ask for you to provide you resort to asking me instead to do the work for you. Hence the whole “bait and switch”, we both know there is no evidence out there supporting the claim therefore I find it unlikely to occur naturally.

Crucible of Eternity is, while questionable, an isolated case and so far no other successes have been found, rumored, or existed outside of it. Until proof is provided legitimizing the presence elsewhere, you need to stop asking for proof at the same time of not providing any. Telling me CoE is proof when I’ve critiqued that whole event countless times now, isn’t valid – it’s no more valid than saying that nuclear weapons can exist purely through natural means because the elements that are used to craft the weapons are present in nature.

There’s nothing. So all of this putting burdens onto others and you have nothing you and I don’t know already, to provide. Instead, you merely preach the word “possibility”.

“The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.” Double-entrendres can work both ways. ANet prove me wrong.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Not entirely true. Kellach appears by all rights to have been corrupted into a dragon minion and never died. There are trees in both Bloodtide Coast and Sparkfly Swamp which are fully alive, but obviously twisted.

That can be summed up by the simple fact that it’s a process. A corpse needs to exist for Zhaitan to resurrect it. Kellach was not dead but sick, there’s no telling where it would have lead him. An example of this are the Quaggan who we see getting sick but we know for a fact are actually apart of the Risen forces, taking that into consideration – there’s a process that must be completed before the dead can be turned.

“I have no evidence to support my claim. If you ask, I’ll just ask you for evidence to support that which isn’t your claim.”

This is nothing more than a bait and switch. I cannot find evidence that isn’t there or I don’t believe is there. Furthermore, we don’t know whether the experiments are legitimate (as in Kudu actually managed to pull it off or the powers granted act similar) or imitations of its root source. We don’t know because not much oversight is given, it’s just the assumption: “Hey, he’s glowing ridiculously so he must be under the influence!”

We don’t know how the Inquest got it to happen, so naturally we cannot deny that it cannot happen outside of a lab because we simply don’t know how it happened.

Which is exactly what I have said if you read back enough. Again, you can’t keep spinning around in circles and then push burdens of proof on other people because they’re asking the questions. That’s just shifting the conversation towards another to make up for your lack of own personal data. The only data you have is one I recognize and question the authenticity of its existence because nowhere else in the world do we find this experiment occurring naturally. Nowhere.

There is something fishy about the towns people and I think we’ll find out in the coming episodes if not immediately. Everybody seems too cautious of the Zephs, Seraph, and you (the player). Maybe it’s the stranger-syndrome where they don’t trust outsiders but they’re not too keen on explaining how they survive with little resources or where they get their resources from. They sound very suspicious but that could entirely be my paranoia regarding the situation too though :P

lordkrall.7241:

So you are basing your argument on something that MIGHT be the case, while basically saying our arguments are wrong, because it was not shown in a natural environment despite the fact that we actually have undeniable confirmations?

None of that victimizing nonsense, stop that. I’ve never said you were wrong just as I have never said I was right. I think people are overlooking variables for a simple explanation and not considering the implications.

Atomic weapons for example cannot occur naturally in the wilderness, it was through human hands that the pieces were put together and constructed. Crucible of Eternity was one giant lab and key to conducting experiments.

Erukk.1408:

You’re the one that’s trying to prove their nonexistence in the wild. The burden of proof falls on you.

Show me proof that this has happened anywhere else outside of Crucible of Eternity. Go on, I’ll wait. I’m legitimately curious. Because if you find it then I’ll admit I was wrong and move on as any responsible person will or should. However, consider the following if you can’t…..

lordkrall.7241:

We DO however know that it CAN happen since we have been SHOWN it extremely clearly in game.

I’m going to have you continuously going in circles here. The only reason why it occurs is due to specific circumstances that are as of this point not found anywhere else according to anything found in lore. It was done by an Asura and his accomplices. Who is to say, beyond yourself and advocate of your view, the experiment was even legitimate? They could have been imitations for all we know.

Therefore the question of possibility of double-corruption is highly suspect.

lordkrall.7241:

But HOW would the Inquest be able to do it in the lab if it was impossible?

Of course it’s not impossible, Kudu accomplished something to that affect but again this is active intervention with the natural order of things. It’s just there’s no evidence out there to suggest its likeliness. As for how – they’re Asura who defy reality itself to create multiple dimensions throughout the mists.

And have you EVER seen a zone where there are minions from multiple Dragons together?

See the problem with this question is we haven’t been all over to know for sure. What we can do is look at the geography and we see Orr which is much closer to Kralk’s current landing place than Jormag. We know for a fact that Risen were in war with Palawa’s forces (the later of which occupies Elona) to reach Elona you have to get close to the Crystal Desert and I do not think Kralk is hiding by himself without a single source of minion/champion to cull the land.

Erukk.1408:

Do you have a dev or in-game quote backing that statement up? If not, it’s still within the realm of possibility.

Take a moment to think about what you just said. Now, can you tell me where a quote or statement confirms the existence out there? If the answer is no, we’re in the same boat regardless of our position. Which also goes with what I said, not a single excerpt of lore suggestions the existence outside of the lab.

That’s because Kudu was trying to make those multi-corrupted being only respond to him, since he was trying to make his own personal dragon minion army. He succeeded with Kudu’s Monster, but Subject Alpha was a failure on that regard.

They were all failures because Kudu failed. It’s rather quite simple. That and we still don’t know what transpired to allow him to accomplish it. He was practically trying to turn himself into an Elder Dragon and judging by both Necromancers and Elementalists, whose to say the experiments were even true legitimate test subjects and not imitations?

draxynnic.3719:

It’s just something that rarely happens outside the lab…

It’s never happened outside of a lab. That’s the point of the whole project. Subject Alpha was an experiment which houses questions in of itself as to how the Inquest managed to pull it off. Hence the “abnormality” of the whole experiment. There isn’t a single blurt or nod in the direction that a beast or being has been seen under the influence of two or more Elder Dragons at any given time. None.

Erukk.1408:

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The problem with a statement like that is also the opposite, if something isn’t there – there’s just as equal possibility that it doesn’t exist. One must keep an open mind but I do ultimately agree that until the lore creators tackle the question(s), we wont know for certain. I’m not claiming facts here, I’m just going off of what we know of now and the implications/speculations that are inspired.

So unless we have a dev or in-game quote saying otherwise, we have to lead with the Inquest’s example on this case.

By that logic some synthetic elements (Einsteinium, Fermium, Mendelevium, etc…) should be Earth-made metals since the Earth possesses the compounds and environments necessary to make it, yet it was by men in labs that combined the elements because nowhere on Earth are these synthetic elements found.

lordkrall.7241:

So just because it happened as part of an experiment it doesn’t confirm that it can happen?

Of course not because such is only accomplished through abnormal means via intervention. Subject Alpha is not natural by Elder Dragon standards so it is with that thought in mind that I believe the process would not happen outside of CoE because there is no evidence of it. I do not think it’s possible for an Elder Dragon to intentionally corrupt an already corrupted individual without said intervention and as of right now the game mirrors this belief until evidence proves otherwise.

(as I have pointed out multiple times, they simply don’t hang around in the same areas, and as such a natural multi-corruption wouldn’t really happen).

You’re expecting Kralk to be by himself in the Crystal Desert. Where we know for a fact that the Risen have been clashing with Palawa’s forces further South. So no, they aren’t that far apart and we don’t see undead branded in or around Orr where Risen are present.

lordkrall.7241:

On the other hand there IS confirmations in game that you CAN be corrupted by multiple Dragons.

The only instance we see this actually happening is in Crucible of Eternity, which as I pointed out was not only an experiment conducted by the Inquest but also ended up poorly. So as far as the world is concerned, we haven’t seen any event to suggest it’s possible in a natural environment.

lordkrall.7241:

No, since we have known since release that Sylvari are immune to the corruption of Zhaitan (and most likely Krally) and as such they can’t be corrupted.

And who is to say, beyond yourself and others who support your argument, that the very reason why they can’t be corrupted by Zhaitan, Kralk, Prim, or Jormag is because they are already corrupted by Mord based on heredity? We haven’t seen a single Branded or Icebrood culled into the Risen ranks.

Well it is more or less confirmed that the Pale Tree does protect Sylvari from the corruption of Mordremoth.

Which again stands to reason that all of a sudden two examples of people who lost sanction of the Pale Tree happen to go insane surrounding Mord’s awakening. That alone is highly suspect. I do agree they are of course guilty by association and thus susceptible to Mord’s influence however I could see the Pale Tree being some form of vegetational offspring of Mord. Anet prove me wrong.

lordkrall.7241:

The reason we don’t see it in nature is due to the fact that they kill each other on sight…

And death is how Risen are made so the question remains why do we not see Risen Sylvari?

The fact remains that it quite clearly works.

Clearly it doesn’t work or we would see walking corpses of the Soundless and the Nightmare Court all over Orr.

Looking at this from another perspective. Glint didn’t gain free will on her own, it was done so through the Forgotten. Who is to say that the Pale Tree didn’t imprint on Ronan and Ventari and gained it’s free will that way? A complete accident as it were. Wrong place at the right time and all that jazz.

lordkrall.7241:

Yeah… but the Sons of Svanir are not corrupted.
Icebroods are corrupted. Sons of Svanir are just worshiping Jormag.

But the Icebroods do consist of Sons of Svanir, those who are close and accept his influence to a stronger degree.

Actually we know for a fact that individuals CAN be corrupted by multiple Elder Dragons, it is outright shown and stated in the CoE dungeon.

That’s speculation and not definitive proof. CoE is an area for experimentation under would-be controlled environments until obviously something goes haywire thanks to Kudu. In the wilds we have not seen a single being corrupted by one Dragon and then switched for another. There hasn’t been a single brand turned Risen or brood turned brand, zero.

ZidZabre.7256:

I think most of the hate towards Traeherne is coming of the Kormir hate.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Even though the reasons for griping about Kormir were more of a joke (no player in their right mind should have expected to become the God of Knowledge – I mean come on). However, the experience was often comically cited as bad only because the player didn’t get much recognition for their deeds and Komir stole all the credit. Flash forward 250 years and Trae does the same thing in retrospect.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I’m not sure what your point in listing the Sons of Svanir and the Branded are.

I was listing beings of which were corrupted and thus did their respected Dragon’s bidding. None of which hosted any Sylvari as you later quote that the Sylvari cannot be corrupted.

That wasn’t Zhaitan’s actual corruption – we see similar things in Bloodtide Coast with quaggan, where they can get sick and even die but not corrupted.

In order for Zhaitan to corrupt, they have to die. That’s what happens in Orr as you’re taking a team in and they are then assimilated.

We know full well what happens when a sylvari is touched by Zhaitan’s or Kralkatorrik’s corruption (as well as general “corrupted by Elder Dragons”):

“While the other races may be corrupted by the Elder Dragons, turned into undead minions or crystalline creatures of the Brand, the sylvari are never turned. Those born of the Pale Tree simply die before the corruption takes hold.”

We also know that a corrupted individual cannot be re-corrupted. IE: Brand cannot be turned and brought into Jormag or Zhaitan’s folds. So who is to say that the Pale Tree if being a child of Mord, and the children that follow it, can be corrupted by the other dragons. It is as the text states, a death sentence and even with death being Zhaitan’s influence; he wasn’t capable of bringing Sylvari in.

You listed the Quagan who also get sick. The Quagan however can and has been corrupted by Zhaitan and thus joining his forces. With this basic principle in mind, a Sylvari couldn’t be corrupted if they were already the embodiment of Mord’s will who only have the Pale Tree for protection.

While another user did state that the Pale Tree that we know of is not the only one, Malyck does express he came from another – hence still under the influence of his parent tree.

To me, the implications are there and it’s actually the first time I’ve looked to the Sylvari as an interesting race. Only I hope as we target other Dragons that they leave the center stage. Should I be wrong, then so be it but until then it’s really up in the air.

Almoryk Kane.6085:

BS. Make it mystic forge so that all the people that don’t have that high a crafting can make this item.

Well the reason why it’s not, is because it has stats. So that explains the weight discrepancies. It should have been a skin which upon equipping molds it to your profession based on what character you’re on in binding.

lordkrall.7241:

It is a max-level zone, with max-level drops and as such it makes sense to require high-level crafting.

It doesn’t take much time or money to level up crafting from lvl 1-400.

Having spent 35 gold in three to four hours going from 1-400… 35g as a person who doesn’t farm repeatedly, is pretty expensive and the activity itself is time consuming. That being said, I did it well enough and got the head piece.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Ronin.7381:

I just noticed that outside they appear to be moving. Makes you wonder, if they’re attached to Mord just how big this guy is. Hope it’s really big!

And you just made me realize how we’re going to kill Mordremeth. You remember how we destroyed the Tower of Nightmares with that anti-toxin needle thing? I expect a similar destruction method for the dragon…now if only we could be pulled into the Mists to destroy its soul to end it permanently. <_<

I actually don’t want us to kill it. I’m hopping that when it’s defeated it ends up falling back into another deep slumber.

Zin.1673:

Again, Konig is blindly defending that Sylvari and Dregons aren’t strongly linked.

So far, the only race not corrupted by the other dragons are Sylvari. So far, the only race corrupted by morde are…. Sylvari.

During the new personal story, when you fight another “hum” crazy Sylvari you also encounter hostile mobs that are linked to Sylvari (hunt, husk…).

As stated in gw1, the seed of the GPT was found deep into Maguuma.

And so on…. Yes, nobody in game stated that Sylvari are minions. But you got to be blind not to see that they have something to do with Morde.

But no, nothing to see here pals, please move on.

Also, and a bit off topic. All races are represented in our “band of brothers” except Sylvari. Shall we expect one to come soon ?

Well even then if you had run Crucible of Eternity EXP, the Inquest were experimenting on Nightmare Hounds and Husks while Project Alpha during one path of the map will use a skill with Mord’s name. This was before the Living World started.

I do not think Mord created the Sylvari but as flora, they are highly susceptible to Mord’s influence. Looking back at Season 1, Scarlet broke her mental conditioning through the College of Synergistics and contacted “something” which sent her into a downward spiral of insanity. At the start it was subtle enough, she started curious, changed to determined, and then became insane. At this point it’s safe to assume the Pale Tree acts as that mental block because without it, the Sylvari are prey to Mord’s influences.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

In fact, the notion that sylvari can be corrupted by Mordremoth heavily hints that they are not Mordremoth’s minions.

1: Sons of Svanir.
2: The Branded

I think it’s kind of pointless to argue over speculative definitions of minions when if their actions fall in line with said dragon’s wishes, they’re practically doing the bidding regardless.

draxynnic.3719:

This indicates that there is some connection between the sylvari and the dragons, but the dragons plural - it does not indicate any special connection with Mordremoth specifically.

Actually, in no other instance have we ever seen a corrupted Sylvari. The Nightmare Court would be a prime target but Sylvari are not present in Jormag, Kralks, Prim, or Zhaitan’s forces. The only instance in which we see Zhaitan affecting Sylvari is in the Sylvari village in Kissex Hills where they appear sick. Scarlet was not physically sick, she started out as a curious individual learning what she could about a threat that had no name but spoke to her.

sirflamesword.3896:

Boneheart.3561:

It is complete. Dry Top was always this small.

If it’s complete then the Zone name and level needs to be moved on the map because it’s not centered. Most everyone who noticed this(including me) expect more of Dry Top to be opened in the coming releases (although it still won’t be the same size as any other zone in the game).

Well if NPC dialog is anything to go by, an expansion of the zone is likely going to have something to do with the mine.

I just noticed that outside they appear to be moving. Makes you wonder, if they’re attached to Mord just how big this guy is. Hope it’s really big!

Yeah, sorry but comparatively Season 2 Episode 1 is loads better than Season 1 Episode 1. I’m ok with that and every two weeks… it takes TOR months to come out with two Flashpoints or a small daily area.

TheDaiBish.9735:

What if…the Master of Peace is taking Glint’s offspring to Mordremoth to be corrupted, as Mordremoth as yet to choose it’s champion?

I’d think it was the opposite. That the child was lost and now he’s off to go find it so it doesn’t fall into the wrong hands. At this moment I don’t expect the Master of Peace to back stab us but I think he’s keeping any information that would prove vital to assisting him, secret so that word wouldn’t spread and reach others who in turn would do harm. This is common practice in any story because if he blurted everything out there would be no intrigue; bad form especially for an Episode 1.

At this point, rereading through some of the information of Mord on the wiki, I think the Nightmare Court is connected to Mord. Maybe not a Champion it created but rather being a species of fauna makes them heavily susceptible to Mord. That and Scarlet had surprised thoughts from something during one of the earlier episodes in Season 1 and when those thoughts were unleashed suddenly she went crazy. I do think in some way the Pale Tree has been acting like a wall and those that veer too close to Mord, lose contact with the Pale Tree, end up getting driven mad.

People are going to cry but doing more research, it’s heavily implied that it’s going in that direction.

Vesuvius.9874:

That’s not the map of Realm of Torment. Although it looks remarkably similar, it is actually a map of Tyria according to the biconics in game.

There could be a connection. That the Ley Lines run through the mists much the same way that scientists theorize dark matter works. Only more magical of course. But other than that minor connection, I don’t see it happening. Maybe the Dream connects on some unknown level when Mord contacts individuals and sends them into a nightmare but otherwise, things don’t add up properly to support the thesis.

It’s Episode 1, be patient.

Azzer.8137:

So my question is, What is it good for?

It’s more or less a combination that should have been available at the start but for whatever reason wasn’t. Tanking probably. A good Guardian or Warrior in dungeons could make use out of it but given the current meta, it just seems pointless now.

Pibriamal.8719:

Does it have to be an actual hard stun, or does any CC work? What about Defiance?

Slows should work on him too.

It’s a possibility. If not Episode 2 then some episode later.

I’m willing to put up with it once we start targeting Primordus or Jormag.

Lolindir.3518:

Kalavier.1097:

Lolindir.3518:

Reading most of the answers here I understand why Arenanet is slacking so much and making this game less and less appealing, people just want to buy stuff on the gemstore without even trying to face hard content.

There is a difference between doing hard/challenging content, and giving awesome rewards for doing that, and placing a well liked item behind RNG.

RNG means somebody could get two of them in a week, while another farms the event constantly, every day that it’s active, and gets NOTHING. That isn’t appealing at all IMO.

If you make it so there is a set reward, IE, complete this challenging task and get this item, that’s fine. If you do a “Oh, well this drops from that challenging boss… On a very small chance…” that’s not as cool IMO.

As the OP said, we were talking about the item being sold in gem store vs the item being a reward for an achievement like Liadri’s minipet (or crafted). I don’t like RNG either, I think the best rewards should be received through achievements or a token system.

Right like the Gas Mask, Antitoxin Pack, Scarlet’s Veil, etc

It’s how I think it should be as far as Season Episodes go.

Thanathos.2063:

So and what is in there?

Probably Season 2.

Nikku.3562:

I wish they’d called their mad god something else. In Scotland ‘Menzies’ is a perfectly normal surname and also the name of a chain of newsagents, and pronounced ‘ming-is’. I have to suppress a giggle every time I see the name refer to some eldritch terror in Tyria.

Menzies’ is Balthazaar’s half brother who, in GW1, was leading forces to claim the Fissure of Woe. There was a point I was hoping on the speculation that Menzies was the villain in Guild Wars Eye of The North.

Anyway, I thought the diagram in Scarlet’s room depicted the six Elder Dragons all being connected to the Pale Tree. There’s definitely a similarity between it and the Realm of Torment diagram, but I wouldn’t put it past Anet to be trolling us here

That’s pretty much being implied. I think people are just really excited and desperately trying to draw conclusions. ANET can prove me otherwise but until then, the only point at which the dots connect is maybe the Lay Lines act as a frame work for the universe, much like how scientists theorize dark matter acts currently. The Mists rest upon that fabric and Tyria itself acts as a knot coincidentally placed right in between the lay lines.