The belief that any server moving up or down will get ROFLSTOMPED or will ROFLSTOMP the other servers has been shown to not always be true. There have been numerous times when this has been proven incorrect.
Just take the recent moving up of SF and moving down of GoM.
Lol, GoM is dominating T8. SF is doing well but T8 was a special situation, I don’t think anyone disputed the fact the SF would be competitive in T7.
So T8 is being dominated by the server that moved down, this was fortold by nearly everyone. This is perfect evidence of what happens when a server from a higher tier moves down. It does not change anything.
Of the 2 guilds from the higher tiers claiming so in this thread, the DIS guys were simply put, nothing. They’d died as easily as zerglets that were separated from their swarm.
The AoN guys were pretty solid when running with 10 and could wipe pugs quite effectively. On the rare occasion that we would find them 1v1 or even numbers they would melt quite quickly however. Additionally, just the addition of 5 of us to a fight they were in would force them to retreat or die.
The pugs are just as bad in the lower tiers as in the higher tiers, but a higher percentage of T7 enjoys small fights than in the higher tiers.
I am sorry I have never heard of KoM or recall ever being in the same tier as HoD. I am quite sure we would make short work of whoever you are. I have never seen AoN run more than 7 or 8. And yes they do run a lot but from what I have seen that is part of the tactic. As soon as you turn around from being bored chasing they usually come up and hit you hard.
Edit: this is getting off topic so I am done here, sorry for kinda highjacking this thread.
How do you know people are less geared, skilled and harcore than higher tiers? We only have less players than yours.
These T2 elitists…
Ya, it’s pretty cute that he still thinks that tiers have anything at all to do with player skill/gear.
Well from what I have seen AoN can farm pugs and spawn camp with the best of them so yeah… From what I have seen from watching videos is that we probably have a higher caliper of pugs in T2 though.
And DiS can farm pugs with 50+ of them. Anything less, they choose to run. If you want to have a go, we’d gladly set up at 5v5. Or even 5v10 heck…
That was not meant to be negative in any way. It was supposed to be a compliment, but now rereading it that may have come off wrong. My bad.
Edit: rarely do we have 50+ with us, more like 30.
How do you know people are less geared, skilled and harcore than higher tiers? We only have less players than yours.
These T2 elitists…
Ya, it’s pretty cute that he still thinks that tiers have anything at all to do with player skill/gear.
Well from what I have seen AoN can farm pugs and spawn camp with the best of them so yeah… From what I have seen from watching videos is that we probably have a higher caliper of pugs in T2 though.
I wonder if there will be queues to get on some servers this weekend then. This could really screw up WvW as well. There will be so many PuGs on this weekend. I forsee huge queues for WvW at all time this weekend.
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“Crap!”
I am not sure what this means but I am in no way discouraging anyone from trying the game. I am just pointing out the obvious.
I find this is happening more often in WvW, where 4-5 man roaming groups from tPvP would say to anyone near them for too long, things like “go away”, “why are you following us?”, “are you looking to be carried?”
You know they are a tPvP team when they are in the same guild, all have champion slayer titles, and are (often) Asura. Most roamers (whether solo/duo, learning uplevels, skirmish team, etc) aim for the same objectives without following the commander and the main force. If it so happens you are going for the same supply camp as your allies, no one has the right to tell anyone to go elsewhere. WvW gives players the freedom to fight for their server however they please, and your gaming “background” doesn’t mean you can bring your elitist attitude to WvW, as it belongs to everyone fighting for your server.
Tl;dr – Some (not all) tPvP teams need to get off their high horse and play WvW as a server, not to glorify themselves with “lol 4v30” videos. Treat your allies with respect.
This used to be more of an issue before they changed the orange swords. A small group did not want to be followed while trying to ninja something because pugs attack everything no matter what and that would be too many and bring up orange swords. I am not sure why this would be an issue at all anymore.
As far as the 4 vs 30 videos LOL. I am always impressed by the t7 5 guild on TS v 20 pugs. lol we do this by accident all the time in my tier, this is by no means “pro”.
I have come across a group of a few militia taking out entire PuG zergs. You guys just make yourselves look bad by posting these videos.
The reason I ask is this could really be exploited this weekend. And also this could really screw up the matches if there are a lot of trial accounts in WvW all weekend.
I wonder if there will be queues to get on some servers this weekend then. This could really screw up WvW as well. There will be so many PuGs on this weekend. I forsee huge queues for WvW at all time this weekend.
There is nothing more annoying than waiting in a queue to get into a map , only to get there and see a Mesmer spamming /m chat that they are porting people in the JP.
You know what this thread hasn’t discussed? The two hour time shift. Which server will benefit or be hurt by it? I suspect TC might get the most benefit, they usually do fairly well during EU time (god knows FA doesn’t have a presence then). Then again it is kind of in a weird limbo now, not EU but not NA either.
Regardless, a lot of NA prime guilds will have trouble getting their full force into WvW it seems, as a lot of them will still be at work/school or at least returning from when reset occurs.
At the very least it will be interesting to see how it plays out for us on FA, reset weekend is typically where we are strongest. I hope the new time doesn’t undermine that.
It remains to be seen but I think TC will be hurt by this. I know I will miss my second reset in 4 months because of this. My guess is a lot of guild groups will be hurt by this as we will just be streaming in as the queue lottery allows until pretty late tonight.
Have you ever seen a zerg that has 40+ necros now? I have, and I gotta tell ya with a cap they are near unstoppable. Without a cap most people would /ragequit.
Funny, for me common sense would be that you’d notice removing the AoE cap would make the non AoE classes completely obsolete. Unless ANet does something like -75% damage for all the uncapped AoE skills. Obviously, they cannot uncap the CC AoE skills then because it’d be stupid fast.
Melee does more damage than range. If you don’t know how to gap close and rush properly, you won’t get kills even if there’s an AOE cap. Ever try to leap a light field to get retaliate?
You might as well try to argue arrow carts render all classes obsolete because it offers multiple types of AOEs with drastically lower cool downs vs skills and it has 10 times the AOE cap.
People actually use this. I wasn’t even aware of it until now. I am not sure how this will really affect anyone but the people that were exploiting it.
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Well you guys better be prepared to pay, a lot. A server (I won’t name which) is promising premium dollars for WM, RISE, CO (and maybe others) to head over. I am talking about crazy out of this world money here. But they said no since they didn’t want to leave their Kaineng brothers.
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Oh come on now. Such juicy drama and you won’t share?! We can play hangman or something to guess the server.
Through process of elimination all signs would point to SoR.
1. Its not BG because the poster talking about the gold gossip eliminated them basically directing us to ‘another server’.
2. I highly doubt JQ would pay more gold for more SEA guilds? They have the most insane SEA in NA by a long shot anyway, I do not think their SEA guilds would want to deal with even more queue times than they already have.
This leaves us with SoR who are coming close to competing with JQ and all they need is more SEA/European. Also they have recently upped their recruitment and managed to get AFS and Tsym so they are probably going all out.
Maybe they can introduce some /voteban feature? Say maybe if 20 people on the wvw map vote to ban a certain individual, that person will be kicked from the wvw map and not able to enter for a certain period of time?
I am not sure this would be a good idea. A guild could actually try to vote another commander off this way and it would be too easy to use for griefing.
Don’t join a hardcore or semi-hardcore guild if you are casual.
Most casual guilds are small enough that the member limit will not be a problem and you would probably not be kicked. Any casual guild I have been in is usually really lenient with their participation policies if they have any at all.
I swear most people on this forum are so narrow sighted to think that the only issue NA, SA, and Oceanic has with this are the Q times. Reset night is the 1 night a week were guilds and servers can get together and work vs a coordinated opponent with everyone on an equal footing (aka no t3 keeps).
I know from experience in the hour prior to reset we are setting up, deciding what guilds are going were, and what our strats will be. And once the reset hits for the most part the dedicated wvwers can get in (yes a few zone out and miss the Q). On every other night people come and go, people get bored and only play the weekend, or 1 server has every t3 by the time another time zone logs in, etc etc.
Now move the reset to 6est. Est folks are rushing home to try and get on, pst folks are at work thinking about ditching early, oceanic folks are hitting snooze again. PST get home log in, wait in Q and the equal footing is gone and the server meetings are over guilds are split between BLs all rdy. Player X whose guild went to Green BL now has a 4 hr Q so player X can’t play with his/her guild tonight, etc etc.
See what I am getting at here? Its not just Q times people are upset about, GW2 is a mmo and people what to play with their friends and guildies.
I would agree with this but would add that EU and everyone else should also have this opportunity. Then need to find a way to split NA/EU resets.
Reset is the night of the week I look forward to all week long. I am devastated by this change.
Sorry dude but your ideas are terrible. Flame rams can be user for things other than doors in a defensive situation. I do not want to have to refresh those every 5 mins.
The problem with saboteurs needs to be fixed but what you are suggesting would be more problematic than the saboteur.
Also, if siege despawned on a hard timer even if refreshed/used no one would build siege. Sometimes we build 5+ golems and leave them at spawn until we are ready to use them, by the time the last golem was built the first would have despawned. The hard timer would have to be like 24 hours or something.
Lordkrall are you a spy? You sure are getting mad about this. It is starting to sound like you condone this behavior.
Personally I think the palyers should have control of this and anyone caught spying gets the stocks at spawn in the BL and everyone gets to throw rotten fruit at them just before their account is erased.
No I am not a spy. I am however fully aware that it is a very valid tactic and I accept that it will be used both by my and the enemies sides.
WvW is supposed to be a war after all, in wars there are spies.
Going by the logic that spying should be bannable would also require scouting to be bannable since they are doing more or less the same thing, but without having access to the chat and following the zerg instead of reading where it is.
I actually could care less about spies. When we know we have one we start putting false info into chat anyway as we are mostly all on mumble.
Saboteurs on the other hand should be put in the stocks IRL and then banned
Any links for the builds? And what build would you recommend me to use when I hit 80 with 1 or 2 exotic parts?
There are entire threads dedicted to the one or two viable Ranger builds in existence, just look them up. Also, you should delay your purchase of exotics, chances are that after a while of lvl 80 Ranger gameplay you’ll notice the unavoidable flaws and reroll.
No. I don’t whine about classes. Instead I learn to use them.
Lol good luck with that. You will reroll.
Edit: In all srsness, rangers are good in sPvP/tPvP. In WvW and PvE they are less than useful. You would be better off just taking another class. I am almost to 80 on my ranger and have been playing in WvW and I get by fine, but I add so much more by bringing my guardian/Mesmer/ele/necro over bringing in my ranger.
Yet the team with 1 leecher can still win, but he is still banned regardless. You can argue all you want that spies don’t do “enough” to consider it manipulation. Perhaps I need to hack for a minimum of 20 hours to consider it “enough”? Its cheating and it’s altering the rankings regardless of how much the person does it, and the rules of conduct clearly state that. I’m also surprised ANYONE would defend this tactic when confronted with evidence it’s against the rules.
So.. where are all these people that have been banned for spying?
There is nothing in those rules that could even be remotely read as spying.
So.. where are all these people that have been banned for spying?
There is nothing in those rules that could even be remotely read as spying.What about people spying on TS? Or people using server specific forums to spy?
How would they ban those? Since quite clearly they are spying, but not doing it in-game and can therefore not be banned for it, right?
Lordkrall are you a spy? You sure are getting mad about this. It is starting to sound like you condone this behavior.
Personally I think the palyers should have control of this and anyone caught spying gets the stocks at spawn in the BL and everyone gets to throw rotten fruit at them just before their account is erased.
Crazy as it sounds…and boy is it, some people that build those rams actually are doing it for the achievements….I only know this because we absolutely had this happen, and the person turned out to be credible (IE: not trying to siege cap us), just did not realize that there was a cap in place and was bored working on an achievement.
Also they did this at a camp, which is in no way near as bad as doing it at a keep/SM etc.
This is just kitten lol. It would take 25000 flame rams to get the achievement. If you could build 100 a night it would take you 8+ months of everyday doing this to get the achiev. Being you cannot possibly build 100 flame rams every night, more likely you could do like 20 max, it would take you 3.5 straight years to do this.
It is a lie if someone says they are trying to get the achieve
So you never had 4hour queues before this reset time change? Or were you always the lucky one that got in and made everyone else queue for 4 hours? If as all you keep saying that you’re all(90% has been chucked around a few times) going to be queing for 4 hours, who the hell is actually in WvW to make you queue? Everyone here is making it sound like guilds and servers are going to die, when in reality all it means is that a few people wont make reset and are crying that they might actually face a queue for once. If you all hadn’t of stacked in the top 2 tiers, you wouldn’t have this problem.
So this is how a Fri reset goes in my guild at least:
We all gather at a location away from LA about a half hour before reset. We get our strategies layed out, get setup in groups, and separate into squads. By this time it is almost reset. Reset time comes and there is no reset yet, at about 15 minutes after reset time people finally start getting kicked out of the BL’s. 5-15 minutes after that the scores reset. As soon as the scores reset you must be spamming the BL you want to get into over and over. Sometimes you get lucky and get right in and sometimes you are not fast enough and get put in the queue, which basically means your WvW night is over, unless you are willing to sit in the queue lottery for anywhere from 1 hour to 6+ hours. It has yet to happen to me, I usually get in right away but the people that do get put in the queue usually log for the night because there is almost no one on to PvE on reset night and if you could find a group you don’t really want to start anything in case your queue pops.
How it will work now:
People who work will get home and be put in the endless queue lottery. They will most likely just log for the night.
You can vendor them or save some for alts. I don’t see the problem here. This sounds like 1st world problems to me, I doubt Anet will be working on a fix for you and the other .05% of players with this problem.
I don’t think you can get banned for spying but I am pretty sure you can get banned for sabotage/griefing. I have seen Anet say they want screenshots of the people sabotaging BL’s with siege so they can ban them. If you have a second account there is no way they could ban you for just spying.
You most likely won’t be playing GW2 much longer than. It is a known fact that custom arenas will be added to the game and one of those reasons is specifically to add dueling, which the developers think is a good and necessary part of an MMO.
So, is it REALLY worth quitting over dueling if you like the rest of the game?
I doubt many people have an objection to an arena where where players can go and duel, because you have to opt in to something like that. Anyone objecting to that is selfish, IMO. You going off somewhere else to duel doesn’t affect me in the slightest. There is enough desire in the player base to justify developer time in creating an arena for people to duel in, and a way for people to watch those duels.
However, wanting to wave your weenie around Lion’s Arch while labeling those of us that don’t want to be forced watch as selfish is hypocritical in the extreme.
Understand the difference, Clay, or should I go back to ignoring your opinion on the matter? Either way is fine, but I’d just as soon not be uncivil.
i don’t want to wave my weanie around lions arch tho.
i wouldn’t call people who don’t want dueling in lions arch selfish.
i don’t understand what you point is here
I don’t get why you are against an arena for dueling? Can you give me a logical reason why you should be able to duel anywhere instead of an arena other than I want what I want now?
Im not against an arena for dueling.
If i remeber correctly, you’re the guy saying that “dueling is easy just cooridinate a place in wvw to duel”
that i am against because it completely forgoes the point of a dueling option in the first place.
essentially you’re saying “Hey go do all this stuff in order to do this one thing that you would be able to do easily if there was simply an option for it”
Wrong, I want dueling. I just don’t want it to be as easy as right clicking a portrait to request and I do not want it in PvE armor/weapons, that is when the nerfsayers come. I don’t want the fools that like to spam request/whisper for duel for all you stuff??? lolo Still do not know what that means.
i’m completely open to hearing any logical reasons people have to oppose dueling
I doubt many people have any objection to you going to an arena to duel. Why do you feel the need to do it elsewhere? Because you want to? An arena gives everyone what they want, except for the weenie wavers who want to do it in the middle of Lion’s Arch and don’t give a rat’s kitten who objects.
what?
why are you assuming that i have a problem with an arena?
i absolutely love that idea and if thats the way they decided to implement it i would be more than happy…
Then I take back my remark, you were making sound like you should ONLY be able to duel antywhere you want whenever.
I am on board then, I would like dueling in an arena style setting.
You most likely won’t be playing GW2 much longer than. It is a known fact that custom arenas will be added to the game and one of those reasons is specifically to add dueling, which the developers think is a good and necessary part of an MMO.
So, is it REALLY worth quitting over dueling if you like the rest of the game?
I doubt many people have an objection to an arena where where players can go and duel, because you have to opt in to something like that. Anyone objecting to that is selfish, IMO. You going off somewhere else to duel doesn’t affect me in the slightest. There is enough desire in the player base to justify developer time in creating an arena for people to duel in, and a way for people to watch those duels.
However, wanting to wave your weenie around Lion’s Arch while labeling those of us that don’t want to be forced watch as selfish is hypocritical in the extreme.
Understand the difference, Clay, or should I go back to ignoring your opinion on the matter? Either way is fine, but I’d just as soon not be uncivil.
i don’t want to wave my weanie around lions arch tho.
i wouldn’t call people who don’t want dueling in lions arch selfish.
i don’t understand what you point is here
I don’t get why you are against an arena for dueling? Can you give me a logical reason why you should be able to duel anywhere instead of an arena other than I want what I want now?
The only way to remove AOE limit would be to set up a damage value for an aoe attack then that amount of damages is divided byt the amount of people targetted.
Lets say power X deal 1000 damage AOE on 5 target it would deal 200 dmg each on 20 it would deal 50 damages each. With a rule that under 5 target you can t deal more than 200damages per targets so an aoe on a single person targeted would not deal him 1000 but 200. If damages scales down with large AOE targetted people then aoe limit could be remove. More people you hit at once, less damages they receive individualy. To remove aoe limit you have to balance it that way that it can’t be overpower at all. In any other case aoe limit shouldn’t be remove if not balance. About the conditions applied I suggest to add a secondary effect to AOE cleanse and self cleanse that grant people a 7 second status protection that cant be cumulative (would be possible to get that status protection only once each 30sec to prevent perma protection on conditions)
I like any change if people keep in mind the overal game mechanisms, professions and powers balance.
This would make AoE completely useless. So hitting a zerg of 60+ would net a total of like 5 per tick lol.
Let’s not exagerate here. There are not queues on all four maps all the way down to T6. I doubt if there were queues on all four maps even in T2 – except for the first hour perhaps.
T2 has a queue on all 4 maps most of the night.
On TC it does anyway
You’re from TC so I can see that. But Kain and FA?
I’m in T4 and I don’t think we have queues on any map at reset. Maybe a couple minutes on EB and our own BL.
Either way moving servers is not an option yet or a solution. It would have to get pretty bad for that to happen. Like a former NA T8 situation.
What is stupid is it has worked out great up until now and they are screwing it up. What they are doing is not a solution for EU late night reset. A real solution is needed which would be different resets for NA and EU.
Look at the majority of the posts from people who are for dueling. That’s the mindset I was talking about. I hate that.
" Shut up! You irritate me!!! You’re selfish!!!" All because those of us against dueling are expressing our opinions and concerns.
lol the irony.
there are extremely annoying people who are in favor of dueling but that doesn’t even begin to take away from our stance
im completely open to hearing any concerns with dueling that don’t fall into the “i don’t want to see it” or the “i don’t want to be spammed with requests” categories.
i’m completely open to hearing any logical reasons people have to oppose dueling
“i don’t want to be spammed with requests”
That alone is enough
I don’t have a problem with arenas though. It has to be harder than rclicking on a portrait to duel.
I would gladly take 3 pm.Would plan a guild raid for 7-8 pm but that’s just me.Midnight still sux but at least people in EU get to play for 2 hours and still get some sleep before work/school on saturday instead of nothing at all
I am not a fan of the fact that Anet needs to screw someone over in the 1st place and i really don’t understand why the reset times can’t be separate since the NA and EU servers are *completely*separate in the 1st place.You can’t even guest from NA to EU so this thing really leaves me perplexed.
But ,being from EU i can’t not be glad for getting even such a small improvement.Either way here on the old continent still have it a lot worse than you guys even with this “improvement” and im not rying to make it a justification in any way is just a personal opinion.
See the problem with this on my server will be queue’s. On a normal reset night you have to be on the button/portal to get in, if you miss getting in right at reset you are in a queue for 5-6+ hours, if you get in at all. I would actually prefer a 2am reset, that way there is no big reset push and most ppl would just log on Saturday morning and do their push.
T1-T6 has a long queue on reset night, so that leaves T7/T8, no thank you.
Neither T5 or T6 has queues on reset night. Don’t know about T4, but I don’t believe it’s much different, since all T4 servers have strong overnight presence rather than a strong prime time presence.[/quote]
Let’s not exagerate here. There are not queues on all four maps all the way down to T6. I doubt if there were queues on all four maps even in T2 – except for the first hour perhaps.
