Guild Wars 2

1. If you are in WvW not WvWing(crafting, world comp, JP, etc) while there is a queue on the map or on reset night you are ruining WvW for the people that are trying to actually WvW. If there is no queue, it’s a free for all. (this is an etiquette thing not a rule breaker)

2. Going to the extreme and siege capping an entire map. Burning as much supply as possible at every keep/camp/tower your team has on the map. These should if not are against the rules as it interferes with the majority of the other players on the map.

And the JP’s will be full for the foreseeable future. Good Bye WvW.

Holyblesserx.7618:

Does anyone spend their Badges of Honor on the invader sets?

No they are too expensive and the rare gear is not that much worse than the exo. It is much more cost effective to run HoTW or AC for PVT gear.

iCryptik.1496:

Those AC ghosts tonics are fun.

I have a ton of tonics that I use in WvW.

Why? Because sometimes we all need to just relax and have fun.

You should have been there on reset. Cant remember which guild it was but their entire zerg was ghosts for the entire night lol.

Your nameplate still shows, you cannot hide. I have followed a dolyak as a dolyak though and had ppl run right by me.

There are also some guilds that use ghost tonics to all look like ascalonian ghosts. It makes it tough to tell what prof they are when they do that.

docMed.7692:

Really? You’re complaining about a PvP zone having PvP!? What a waste of time this thread is.

Unfortunately you get this in every game.

Like the people that join a PvP server and complain on the forums that there is PvP going on and they get camped.

Impmon.3056:

Theres putting an arrow cart at the door and being able to see through the top opening to target people inside & then there’s putting one against a keep wall and being able to target everything within which is what SOR of FEAR does everytime they’re attacking a keep. They don’t have it at the door they have it up against the wall like they did lastnight on at hills.

It’s SoR, what do you expect?

Although I am not sure what the problem is. Are you saying they are exploiting?

Glitchfull.5826:

Sorry if you don’t know me, but let me prove your judgment wrong. I love competition, keeps me quick on my feet. I wouldn’t get into a debate if I didnt like competition, that would be a “hypocrit”. Spy is an issues when the community will risk an innocent for unjust reasons. Sabotage is another story and should be treated as such. I still don’t agree with punishing them, it is a risk that an innocent may be unrightfully punished and there is no way to be sure if they are or not. Kindly inform them in a detailed and productive format why they should not do it. Do not be rude at any point, it increases the chance they will continue and it will then be your fault. Even if they seem to give an attitude, do not be rude. Go ahead and counter spies, but when that results in affecting the player in hurtful forms, that’s when it becomes wrong.

A tip for you, don’t be so quick to judge when you have no usefull information to prove such. I will remain being a threat to the behind of enemy lines, killing all their yaks and causing chaos in their lands with no ally anywhere, on my thief. Rolling through the melee train as a deadly hammer warrior. Running head first into the enemy force to portal my allies to victory on my Mesmer and destroying anything that comes my way on my Elementalist. Far from flower picking, wouldn’t you say?

I was going off the information in your post. You made it sound like this was all for fun when most people see it as a competition for fun. I may have been harsh, for that I apologize.

As I said in my OP, I did try to contact this guy numerous times. It started out he came into the camp and started building golems, he left them there and ran off. After he ran off seeing that he left them vulnerable me and another guy moved them into the keep to be safe. When he came back the second time I said in /s hey we moved your golems over to the keep so they don’t get destroyed. There was no response and he made 2 more. Thinking he was making them for his guild to push another keep, I moved them again to the closest keep and ran over to keep ticking them in an effort to help him out. He came back again to build 2 golems and empty the fully upgraded camp, at this point I started to whisper him asking him if he wanted us to keep moving them or where to put them, again no response. After he had come back another 3 times we had around 12 worthless golems as we did not have any chance to try to take another keep because we were way to busy defending and were way outnumbered. I very politely asked him to stop making golems and explained to him we needed the supply to siege up the keep we had, no response.

At this point I followed him. He had the exact same route over and over. He went to the camp, built 2 golems, went to the keep and started merchants (this is not on our own BL, we had already done doors, walls, WP, mortar, cannons, etc) it made no sense to start anymore upgrades as we were on an enemy BL and never do merchant, banker, and guards. Then he went to the next camp and started an upgrade, this was a camp that made no sense to upgrade as it was constantly being flipped. Then he started the whole process over again. If he ran into enemies in his route, he would summon the hounds, and auto attack every time. I started telling him I was going to report him – no response, I told him I was frapsing him – no response, I asked him if he was a bot – no response. I expected at least akittenill play the way I want. but got nothing. I still wonder if this was not a saboteur bot.

They die before you can get there lol??? I have to be there a half an hour early or I end up in the overflow. Thanks guesting;)

Monsoon.2589:

If someone throws a Arrow cart in front of a door while we are attacking it. Are you going to ban that person? What if it was a mistake, what if the person wanted to use the arrow cart after the door was down?

What Anet needs to do is fix the reasons why the person is wasting rams and the way to do that is to not have limits on siege or simply limit how many sieges you can put down yourself per 15 minutes. You could also limit the number of a type of siege one person can put down in an area per hour.

One other way could be to require players to use badges to put down siege once that single person has put more than X forcing them to gain badges/karma on that particular character.

There are many ways to lower the impact of these behaviors but the very important point is NOT to manage for the exception and impact everybody with a fix that was made to stop a single behavior. Also you have to be very careful in NOT starting to tell people how that have to play.

Monsoon,

For the most part ppl are talking about the very worst/extreme offenders. Like completely siege locking a keep with flame rams, burning supply at a keep by building tons of siege that are of no use and starting worthless upgrades at the same time. It is very obvious that these ppl are doing nothing but trying to grief/sabotage.

If someone throws an arrow cart in front of a gate, it’s not a big deal. I have made the mistake as have others of throwing down a ballista instead of a cata at times, it happens. Even if it was done on purpose big deal, it was one or 2 stupid siege. I have not on the other hand managed to single handedly wipe a keep of all supply by accident, or siege lock an entire keep with flame rams by accident. If ppl want to do map completion/gather/whatever, not a big deal, they are taking their chances to do so. I know if I find someone doing these thing I will go out of my way to kill them.

Why don’t you do it on your own server?

Not sure why he was mad, sounds like an idiot. I would get mad if you didn’t pick it up. I hate when I drop them and everyone ignores it or is too scared to pick it up for some reason.

I have an 80 Warrior/Mesmer/Guardian/Elementalist/Necromancer

Warrior – is faceroll all the way through the levels and is great for endgame. Get a GS and all power/precision gear and trait while leveling and you kill everything so fast it can rarely hit you.

Guardian – is also faceroll, very easy to play and level

Mesmer – do not make this your first char, you will die a lot . This was my first toon and I love it, but it is hard to level until you hit about level 60.

Elementalist – do not make this your first char, you will die a lot

Necromancer – Is easier than Mesmer/Elementalist but much harder than Warrior/Guardian

Amins.3710:

Esprit Dumort.3109:

March update comes to pass, new gear is added to the game for badges, and all across the servers, shouts in /map and /team are heard…

“mesmer in jp?”

The Jump Puzzle across all maps become the highest populated areas of the game, rams gather dust, and keeps fall to ruin from disuse.

RIP WvW
August 2012 – March 2013
Your Potential Was Never Realized

To prevent JP abuse (beyond what it already is), reduce the badges from chests, from 10 (@ lvl 80) to 2-4, add better item drops (rares / exotics) to compensate, and increase badge drop rate from kills, so WvW’rs can actually play rather than have half the map in the JP.

lol, 10 badges? Really?

You’re complaining about 10 badges? Let the noobs have their 10 badges.

That’s a whole 5 10 min of killing people in WvW.

Not sure if serious

He means the queues will be full of PvEérs in the JP and taking up valuable space that could be used for someone that would actually participate in the WvW matchup. Lowering or removing the rewards in the JP could curb this.

Glitchfull.5826:

Let’s settle this. This is still just a video game, no matter what is said. There is no sort of physical reward on the line, the only source would be from sPvP, but that would only be the case if sPvP did go esport (Unlikely in current state). Spying is a form of “Taking the game too seriously.” It is sad that people get this competitive over a game, but the same can be said for those that get upset and will willingly false accuse others for being such. Do I think spies should be punished? Hell no. If they want to, by all means do it if you really want to. Who are we to tell you not to when we are equal customers (Even though you are technically higher for being a 2 time buyer). Do I care if they spy me? Nope, let them. It’s flattering to know that we pose a threat to them, I trust in my skills to still kick their kitten butts. Do I think accusing someone and trying to make people that may not even be spy’s hated wrong? Hell to the kittening yeah. You are the scum of the game that are willing to hurt innocents for a ridiculously idiotic reason. Play the game and have fun with others. If you don’t want to have fun with all? Go play a single player game. For those who just stand by, drop them stones, stand up and fight it. And to all who play for fun, keep on fighting gents.

Ummmm….

Not even sure how to respond to this.

I assume you are one in WvW that likes to run around and pick flowers to put in the end of a rifle barrel. WvW is a competition whether you realize it or not. That is part of the fun for me, if there were no competition, why paly WvW. You may not be competitive, but I am. I like to win. Regardless of whether there is a physical reward does not matter to me.

The spying is less of an issue to me because there are ways to counter that. The sabotage is a big issue. It could literally change the outcome of numerous battles, and there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it.

SilverWF.4789:

Ruprect.7260:

Zoel.9154:

As much as I’m excited to see new items for badges, i’m a little concerned about the appearance options.

Will there be ways of getting the identical skins outside of WvW? It would be unfortunate to have an influx of people in WvW who don’t want to be playing WvW and taking up spots from those who do while spamming the jump puzzles

The new WvW will be killing PvE noobs in the JP while they try to get their badges for new skins. There will be empty maps and full JP’s

I hope they see this coming a mile away and don’t do something stupid.

There is far better ways to receive a tons of badges – killing PUG-zergs while you are in the organized raid ^^

I know this and you know this but unfortunately PvEers do not. I don’t know how many threads I have seen crying about JP camping while they are trying to get their badges for the gift. If they only knew that if they just followed a zerg for a few days they would have 500 badges in 1/4 of the time.

My guess is you will be able to add 1 supply per level, if you look at the picture it looks like there are 5 levels to it, so it is like having the guild buff. I don’t think it will be a big deal as we usually have a camp or 2 with this buff anyway.

Edit: Unless it stacks and allows you to carry 20, that would be huge.

Zoel.9154:

As much as I’m excited to see new items for badges, i’m a little concerned about the appearance options.

Will there be ways of getting the identical skins outside of WvW? It would be unfortunate to have an influx of people in WvW who don’t want to be playing WvW and taking up spots from those who do while spamming the jump puzzles

The new WvW will be killing PvE noobs in the JP while they try to get their badges for new skins. There will be empty maps and full JP’s

I hope they see this coming a mile away and don’t do something stupid.

generalraccoon.3857:

hmm the flavor of responses gravitate more and more to the griefing mind set :P mind you as much as i detest griefing I cannot argue with it because it is in the area for such. I think the devs expect some ppl will be doing this. As for making the design so that one person can counter these campers, I don’t think that will happen (even though I know i will appreciate if it does happen) because the game is largely about team play. So you will need a team to counter them, or a large group to control access to the jp.

Also mentioned, try doing it at right time when not many ppl around. And watch map chat, sometimes ppl warn that there are campers in the jp; i once entered the jp then decided to look at the map chat (a habit brought from my.. paranoid EVE Online days :P )and saw ppl complaining abt some ‘morons killing ppl at top of the jp’ so I wisely left the place. Next time i came back, i had fellow guildies with me, and i got the chest at the top.

Instead of crying on the forums…..^^^^This is what you are supposed to do^^^^^

Get Friends

If I am at the top alone camping ppl, a group will come in and wipe me fast. I am only able to fear 5 off at a time.

If they did, based in the price for ex gear for badges they would probably cost like 10,000 badges each, sooo not sure it matters.

Why that may actually take a month to do then instead of 4 days.

It is threads like this that make me go into the JP in EB, stand near the top and knock ppl of the edge or kill ppl just as the see the end is near.

I hope this month they add a Kill 1500 invaders.

Wow a real CM Pro!!!!

Thanks for the tip

That was the point, there is a thin line between what can be considered exploiting/griefing and you never know when you may have crossed that line.

At this point it seems to depend on whether WvW is considered PvP as to whether spying/sabotaging is griefing. We just don’t know.

At this point if I see anyone doing what I said in my OP or similar I am just going to start SSing and reporting.

I don’t really get it, I can run CoF P1 with a bunch of noobs and still get it done in 10 minutes. Does 3 minutes really make that big of a difference. As long as 1 person knows how to do it, it goes fast no matter what your group makeup.

Monsoon.2589:

I am not familiar with the snowflake thing

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Bans-for-Snowflake-Jewelry-are-unfair

Monsoon.2589:

There is nothing whatsoever that can be done about people burning supplies as long as anybody can do it. Sending screenshots means nothing as there are NO rules whatsoever that tell you how to play.

Anet could action someone but that would create a precedent where they would punish or penalize someone for playing the game they bought the way they want.

There is a huge difference between what is doable and what is morally reprehensible. Just like you can not action a commander who bought the tag just for fun and likes to run into enemies and knock on doors just to see his/her group wipe…or people burning supplies, or people jumping in the JP for hours blocking spots for actual combat on the map.

These things were put in place for people to use them. In my opinion the JP is a total disaster as it blocks spots for actual control of the map while there are people in queue but hey that is Anet’s decision, they believe this creates a means for people to do something else that is fun inside wvw when most people see the JP as a waste of time and resources when you need every combatant on defense for example.

If the whole map goes to do the JP, will you report all of them for jumping in the dark instead of fighting? Of course not…those were tools given to players by Anet so you can t report people for using them

None of those things are and can be forbidden in game, you can NOT punish someone from doing something that the game allows them to do. It sucks but it is like running with a zerg and purposefully not using any skills and just being a target. Obviously nobody does that but if your entire zerg was only made of people using Dolyak transfor potions there would be nothing you can do about it.

Sometimes to scrw around I thrown in a potion to transform into an animal for fun. you want to start policing that and ban or action people? You can t because that would create precedents that would destroy gameplay.

I do not condone ANY of those shenanigans I am only explaining that you can not police these actions and tell people how to play.

What Anet can do instead could be to have requirements to limit these abuses. Like requiring badges for commander tag instead of gold. Requiring # kills to be able to deploy purchase siege so that a level 5 on an enemy server could not drop siege and would require tons of kills that sort of thing

I think the snowflake jewelry fiasco would disagree. You cannot always play the game the way you want, even if ANet allows it.

I have never had this problem. Maybe run it with your guild.

This would not be a problem if Anet would give guild leaders more options as far as guild management.

For the most part ppl put items in the guild bank for anyone in the guild to use if they need it. Gold is usually put in the gbank to use for guild events or to buy siege, etc. As far as I know there is no way to allow ppl to take items and not allow them to take gold. They should have also allowed guild leaders to put a limit on what someone could take as far as gold and items. Maybe so many/much per day/week.

I have been in guilds before that you had to ask an officer to get something out of the bank for you, it sux. A lot of times an officer may not be on and it is a pain for the officers to have to do that all the time.

Anet, give guild leaders better guild management options. This thread is a perfect example of why.

I’m sure he has already done it by now. I’m surprised we haven’t seen a “Some kitten stole 200g from our GB” on the forums yet.

Oxstar.7643:

Ease off jerks, he just asked the question, he didn’t say he’d actually do it. Don’t be so bloody stupid.

CrabMan.6839:

>implying you all wouldn’t take 200+ gold from the guild you barely know

His response later in thread would imply otherwise.

TLSolomon.6083:

Please stop comparing spies and sabatoge in WvW to real life war. We all know what happens when a spy gets caught in enemy territory. Give me the in game option to kill spies in WvW and THEN things will be comparable.

It would be fun if you could catch a spy put him on trial in game and if they were guilty it would delete their character.

DeathPanel.8362:

Ruprect.7260:

DeathPanel.8362:

FYI, for future reference. If you are getting steamrolled switching borderlands is not going to help, since they can switch as well and steamroll you on whatever borderlands you decide to switch to.

This is not necessarily true. We have left a bl to go to another one and left a crew at the original BL. We started taking things on the servers home bl and some of them moved to stop us. This left the original BL much easier to deal with.

This can be a good tactic if done right.

Not correct.

If you are already massively disadvantaged leaving a “crew” behind in the original BL would not make things easier even if they split up their forces to stop you in the new BL since your crew left over is still a far smaller force and wouldn’t be able to really make any difference.

The only way that would make a difference is if they miscalculated and left a far bigger force in the original BL while your crew in the original BL does hit and run on supply depots and other objectives while moving a smaller force to try to stop you in the new BL.

What it really comes down to is raw concentration of force.

We have been outmanned numerous times in TCBL, left a large force there and sent another force to another BL to start taking objectives, usually the ones we know will kitten them off the most. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. quite a few times it has lightened the pressure enough to allow us to get a foothold on our home bl and start defending sieging up.

I would say this is a fair tactic to suggest. It was obviously taken the wrong way by the commander on that map.

DeathPanel.8362:

FYI, for future reference. If you are getting steamrolled switching borderlands is not going to help, since they can switch as well and steamroll you on whatever borderlands you decide to switch to.

This is not necessarily true. We have left a bl to go to another one and left a crew at the original BL. We started taking things on the servers home bl and some of them moved to stop us. This left the original BL much easier to deal with.

This can be a good tactic if done right.

Kuro Zetsumei.1397:

I said ‘’Maybe we should leave EB, try our luck elsewhere’’ something along those lines, I really dont remember.

@Rising Dusk I am perfectly calm, I think I am allowed to talk about this, since there’s no report option called ’’bullkitten’’

@Kincaidia a quitter wouldn’t have suggested a different option, would you mindlessly bash your skull against a foe in real life if you could win by going around him and stabbing him in the back? we could’ve easily taken their borderland stuff by suprise.

@Chuo I rp alot, but nobody did in WvW.

please don’t get me wrong, I am not annihilating the fact that I could’ve been taken wrong, I just want to point out that perhaps automatically calling down the guns on someone who may just be trying to help is a bit overboard.. your supposed to assume someone means good, not wrong.

I don’t play on EB much and there are a few good guilds that pretty much do nothing but run EB. They may have been offended by the idea of leaving. Either way if what you say is true and you just made a suggestion it is unfortunate that you were treated that way. I don’t know if you are new to the server/game but this is not representative of what WvW normally is like on TC. Unfortunately we do have some regular trolls in WvW but I haven’t seen them much lately.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Synda Raines.1836:

All’s fair in love and war

Yes this is a game, but it’s a fact that spying & counter-spying, spreading misinformation is perhaps the most important part of rl warfare. And it’s real people playing this game.

The main problem with the “spying is part of real wars too” attitude is that in real life, you can capture/execute spies, in-game you have absolutely zero recourse against spies once discovered.

As for sabotaging, It’s pretty straightforward griefing. Unfortunately its very hard to prove with screenshots alone.

That is the unfortunate thing, even with a video it would be hard to prove. This person could just be doing what they think is best but really have no idea what they are doing. I feel for the guys with the flame ram builders, at least our saboteur was building golems, they were useless at the time but we used them up anyway. Flame rams are not able to move and can’t be destroyed in a keep/tower unless you let it be taken. I really don’t understand what is fun about trolling/sabotaging/spying on another server. It really just ruins the experience for everyone.

How did you phrase your suggestion. I have been on TC for a long time now and have never seen anything like this happen. Usually when our guild is on the map we take suggestions and decide what would be best. If we are banging our head against the wall then we move. If you were in TCBL and made that suggestion it may have been taken the wrong way, people will try over and over again on our home BL because we do not like to lose it. If it was on another BL than I am not sure what the issue was as I was not there.

Lol, you cant run through them. haahaaahaaahaa.

I am so doing this when I get home.

Vayle.7964:

proving someone is a spy is pretty much impossible, its so easy to just invite yourself to a party with the enemy commander if you know him and follow the zerg, because he will see the blue dot moving over the map, thus knowing where the zerg is, however I do think that people placing flamerams at stupid places should be seen as breaking the rule as in match manipulation,
yesterday we sieged up SM at the inner, had 4 ac at all gates except one, because someone built 4 flame rams at the place where the ac should be, and strangely enough we got attacked at that gate (north east), and what server who plays as green would attack the north east gate?\

also, if you see people grabbing supplies from stuff that is upgrading or see someone buying a wrong upgrade, first give him a pm to see if its just someone new to WvW, and if that doesn’t work, in my opinion that person can be seen as a griever, however I can not say what Arena Net opinion is on this.

I haven’t seen this person since last reset so….. Will wait to see what happens on reset this week. I did PM this person numerous times, I actually followed him around PM’ing him for about a half hour while I was on camp defense. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt at fist (maybe he did not speak English) but after watching him for all this time and seeing that he was intentionally going from one place to the next doing things that seemed to be purposefully wrong and then starting all over and doing it again for what was probably 3-4 hours, I became suspicious. If someone was PMing me in another language I would at least respond with a no comprende or something so they know I am not a bot.

Remember the snowflakes! You never know until you are banned.

There is another event the somethingflayer event that can go on for near forever because no one lets her die to complete the even. You can farm mobs for hours if there are enough ppl there.

You have some of the best commanders on our server in your guild. I would assume you are following them around regularly, there is a ton you can learn from them. GL, always nice to see a good PiNK commander on the map.

Ghost.3045:

@Ruprect

You can map any button, including tab to select nearest target.

I personally use left click to select priority target, right click to control camera, (no turn keys, only strafe keys) and targeting keys:
- nearest © {call target ctrl+c, take target shift+c}
- next target (v)
- previous target (shift+v)

I have no problem with targeting, selecting, or moving camera. I don’t use promote targeting, that’s just lazy…

I never looked but I just assumed TAB was setup by default to select the nearest target. I will have to look when I get home. I try to click on targets but in a mess of enemies it usually clicks the wrong one as they are all to close. Next target and previous target would be nice though and I was unaware of those. Guess I need to look through the hot keys. Q and E would be perfect for target selection as I always have rmb held down and don’t need strafe keys.

Not sure why
in
a
zerg is ikittening

I am not sure how you would even pick out a target ikittenerg anyway. The tab targeting is terrible, and trying to click on an enemy in WvW is just stupid kitten And even if you can manage to click on someone they are lost in seconds in the mass of players. What they need to do is fix tab targeting so it actually targets the nearest enemy.

Join a guild

/15char

Finally someone actually trying to do something about the T8 problem and not just another whine thread.

GL, you can’t imagine the huge effect a server wide voice comm can have in WvW.

Yeah, your right. It is usually really close to the patch going live. I miswrote.

Patch notes are always released after the patch goes live.

I would say Spring break is having a big effect on a lot of servers. TC is very low on people this week. I would expect the matches to be messed up the next few weeks as spring break is spread out over these weeks around the country. Not sure if they have spring break in EU.