Guild Wars 2

abc.5790:

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maths

Lulz.

Were offensive condition mobs mentioned or hinted?

L Step.8659:

I’m still not as optimistic as some people here.

They can change raid mechanics to help us, that still doesn’t change the fact we have subpar dps/lack of meaningful support and what support we do have other professions can do better, we lack active defense, and we lack mobility.

All we’re really good at is burst boon removal or condi transferring. And I don’t think they’ll make entire raids relying on that.

If they have condition mobs/bosses I’ll be impressed and happy. If not L.

Terrorsquad.4802:

I just read that new players using f2p version cant read forums :/

I’m pretty it’s that they can’t post.

Windsagio.1340:

@OP: If they don’t giive exclusive rewards, they know people won’t do them. It’s a way to guarantee some return to their development costs.

Logic.

Who wouldn’t just take the easy way for the same thing? Everyone is not like that but the majority is.

Spurrlock.3219:

This isnt the time for balance patches. Devs are busy working on giving you new content. There will be balance patches after HoT is released.

Please don’t they made heavy system changes so no excuses there is no way they expected that no balance patches would be needed.

I can’t seem to give more than +1 despite mainly PvPing on necro I highly recommend this build newcomers. There is no risk stacking a couple or a lot as well.

Not sure how I feel about this it’s a two way street but if everything turns bad PvP will be the least affected. This should bring in fresh body bags so maybe queue and mode separation are coming soon.

Vydahr.4285:

Facetanking. Being bait for the big baddies so your friends can kill them. The usual

This until I see the raids.

ragnarokda.1805:

I disagree with OP. Burning is fine. Buff bleeding.

Buff poison as well.

Aktium.9506:

Speaking as a Necro main I am 100% for the removal of Celestial Amulet.

Losing our Cele Sig build is a small price to pay if the end goal is to tone down D/D Ele.

Cele necro is believed as the best counter to cele ele so your argument is hardly understandable. I play all classes but I can guarantee you if cele is no more every ele I see will be a free kill necro or not. A quick reminder is that ele is a cele class so cele will always be their best build while others are bound to be weak(er).

For necro I would just switch to MM since condi sucks and power is too weak but at least necro has another option.

It doesn’t matter both Dagger Training and Potent Poison are trash tiers but it makes sense if it would. Even Pressure Striking is weak not Acro weak though.

Daredevil over thief
Still not convinced
Cheap selling plot

Killyox.3950:

Lol. People surprised to see Dev post in thief forum after Thief POI.

I rather call it the Daredevil POI I don’t remember hearing anything for thief from there and yes it’s not surprising.

NinjaEd.3946:

Just out of curiosity, did they nerf acro so hard because of this spec?

Include SE,CiS and SRej and it’s obvious. Ignoring the base class and making a good elite spec is worse than making a bad elite spec.

It’s been a long time since a thread made me laugh so much. With all the mood changes going on with HoT this can definitely make it stagnant lol.

I didn’t follow the whole thing but no mention of reverting SE,not putting CiS and SR in same tier,making Acro actually attractive still gives me the vibe that it was nerfed to sell daredevil. Making an good elite when ignoring the base class is worse than designing a bad elite spec so to me he fails.

Let’s see what actually makes it live this doesn’t justify base thief nerfs anyway.

pepper.6179:

now u have to pay $50 for acro-like trait line :/

Basically this I see nothing like this for any other elite spec so far this takes the cake which remind of…

Ragion.2831:

Sagat.3285:

They hit the lowest with this line, no other class had the same treatment necro only had an ICD put on a niche trait I don’t know what wrong with him(them) at this point. Since today’s patch is focused on bugs hopefully the next one put SA and Acro back to their rightful place.

Not going to happen with endurance now raised to 3 bars and flat endurance gain all over the place.

Acro still has issues with Assassins Reward, Upper hand and Guarded Intuition being boarderline useless but the line looks much better now with Daredevil (that name will take some getting used to) being the way it is.

Yes they implemented it with such greatness and SA nerf also become totally justified. /sarcasm

Doggie.3184:

Sagat.3285:

Zero Day.2594:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Zero Day.2594:

I know what the new elite spec should be called!!!!
Acrobat!!!

I mean, some do use staffs in their performances…

Like those who balance on a wire and plummet to their death…

Ah…. that’s why they’re DareDevils, daring enough to do that.

*Dare Devils.

It’s only one word.

Zero Day.2594:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Zero Day.2594:

I know what the new elite spec should be called!!!!
Acrobat!!!

I mean, some do use staffs in their performances…

Like those who balance on a wire and plummet to their death…

Ah…. that’s why they’re DareDevils, daring enough to do that.

*Dare Devils.

They hit the lowest with this line, no other class had the same treatment necro only had an ICD put on a niche trait I don’t know what wrong with him(them) at this point. Since today’s patch is focused on bugs hopefully the next one put SA and Acro back to their rightful place.

Ricky.4261:

Every class forum is the same, crying about how their elite spec is terrible, or if their elite spec isn’t the second coming of jesus that they will re-roll revenant. I for one like the name Daredevil, perhaps we should wait and see what the elite spec actually does before proposing our own (95% terrible) alternative names.

Stop lying the rev,necro,mesmer and war forums did not complain about their elite spec’s name neither did they say or did what you are implying.

Pimsley.3681:

One of the pvp devs confirmed via PM that they are fully aware of this problem.

Are you sure he said it’s a problem lol? I can’t deny that it’s creative.

ronpierce.2760:

Sagat.3285:

scerevisiae.1972:

It’s not like it can be any worse than Tempest anyway…

This human habit needs to stop.

Hm? It’s good to have facts, am I rite?!

It can’t be any worse designed than Tempest.
It can’t be named any worse than Dragon Hunter.
Can’t be any worse than Ranger in tPvP.
Can’t be any more OP than Elementalist.
Can’t be any worse in pve than Necromancer.

Sorry if I missed any other particular outliers.

That’s the old necro in you right there.

scerevisiae.1972:

It’s not like it can be any worse than Tempest anyway…

This human habit needs to stop.

Zenith.7301:

Even more aggravating was them disregarding player feedback and leaving consume conditions, your least crappy heal, at an increase 30 sec cd AND still with the long cast time it had, with the self vulnerability as well.

The nerve….as if all necromancer heals weren’t mediocre enough and had long cast times, they proceeded to nerf the one players bothered to use.

They increased the CD because MoC reduces the CD by 33% instead of the traditional 25% so it was kind of bait trait they knew it was bad. That is aggravating.

Linfang.1087:

penelopehannibal.8947:

Linfang.1087:

How do we know this is not the Ranger? The official post did not say it was thief.

Ranger will most likely show a pet in the concept art too.

Their pet is in the picture, it is some sort of Shadow beast the ranger has. I outlined it for you.

Legendary pokemon confirmed!!

MiniEquine.6014:

Black Box.9312:

Expect about the quality of traits you’ll find in Tempest or Dragonhunter. Or lack of quality, rather.

You are truly the most negative person here (and on every single thread, mind you). Could the same be said about what they did with the Reaper, Chronomancer, Herald, and Berserker? What indication do you actually have that the traits will be bad when they are quite good on at least 4 of the revealed E.specs and at least decent on DH.

Karl brought this on himself it’s called a track record you know like we have them for everything we don’t believe change until we see it.

Rich Fuel.7253:

i bet the new mechanics of the thief will be like mesmers distractions could be like the thieves guild cuz they do distract you from the main thief,
a thief with semi clones could be awesome

What Ambush and Thieves Guild? I’m confused by your post.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Ardid.7203:

Sad staff is confirmed. But after the Tempest disssapointment it was easy to spect Anet giving Thief yet another melee style. I hope is actually a good one, truly different from the actual base, and not only a new set of gimmicks to do exactly the same…

Wich could be the name of this new Elite Spec?

The Ninja? The Distractor? The Dragon Poker?

DareDevil according to datamining

*Dare Devil

Cynz.9437:

Sagat.3285:

Who is working on it?

the same guy that did tempest and dragonhunter :s

It is confirmed? Robert wasn’t the dev in charge of necro but he did zerker sooo :/?

Who is working on it?

faker.7253:

/laugh

Lulz.

Seriously the safest way is making it a two hit skill, it only helps what’s underperforming with base shroud and it makes sense since what makes Reaper’s shroud better is not the melee focus nor the cleave but the dps. When the devs nerf they nerf to the ground and sometimes under.

Knighthonor.4061:

Sagat.3285:

It’s a debate between mace and rifle.

Short bow not in there somewhere? But yeah i forgot all about mace actually.

When you are a thief you don’t get away from SB.

It’s a debate between mace and rifle.

DaShi.1368:

I’d put engies and rangers well below thieves. Thieves have a role in PvP. They don’t like it, for some reason, but they have a role that they are by far the best at.

I know rangers are meh based on tournaments but down here in ranked PvP I’ll take a ranger and especially an engi over a thief unless he can guarantee a 100% that he won’t drag us down and carries FPS like awareness.

You should face a team of 4 mesmers great system btw devs I can manage 4 wars,necro,ele or anything else even pew pew taunting ranger but with mesmer you shouldn’t even try guessing where the attacks are coming from even worse of Foefire.

Not all thieves know or care I recently has a opposite team with 3 thieves one swapped but another switch to his thief and to me it seems like they had something planned idk what. The guard on their team was quite mad on chat even more when kind of facerolled them I don’t remember them reaching 100 but the thieves themselves weren’t bad. The enforced +1 and decapper roles can be achieved by just 1 thief another one is wasted.

I rarely see 2 thieves on the same team now I’m sure the devs are aware of it.

Gaaroth.2567:

Let’s hope then! Anet reveal engi this monday! Please? PLEASE???! <3

Not this week but engi is definitely next since ranger is last and thief has to be neglected.

I was slightly disappointed zerk didn’t get corruptions that would mean they know how to design good ones since they never achieved that with necro and it fits thematically C9’s zerk works the same way . I’m fine with necro having them despite their state I just hate the illogical MoC that’s a big L for Robert or whoever made that trait even more because 4/6 of them are not worth slotting without MoC and even more because you don’t want to use it more often if it’s hurting you more rev on the other end…

It’s not balance it’s just perfect scenarios like always at least he recognized that with Reaper. Actually no with corruptions it’s an heavenly scenario perfect is not enough.

Teru.2063:

I hope it stays instant cast and doesn’t become as bad as the Dragonhunter virtues. It would make the class irrelevant in PvP

This so much!!!

A trait is doomed.

stof.9341:

Cynz.9437:

stof.9341:

Well +1 role looks really a lot like a MOBA roaming ganker. It IS a role really :p

yeah except roamers in moba can 1v1 and even 1v3 (depending how well fed they are)….. thieves on other hand….

Not all. Support roamers do it at like level 1 and can only gank by helping a lane in an unexpected way.

Everything must be suport then.

Tempest and DH.

Omega Zoa.3859:

Remember when Shiro was revealed on POI and people kitten ed how it looked overpowered and what not but when you actually beta tested it was actually quite weak compared to other classes and needed a buff..same with this I assume..it may look strong..but is it? If you want broken I am going to point at mesmer’s elite.

The same reaper they overdid with trying to keep it in line, base mesmer was stronger than others so obviously chrono wasn’t going to be UP.

Since it’s in the same tier as CI I support this +1.

nekretaal.6485:

Too bad there’s no “Berzerker Barrage”. (Marvel vs Capcom reference)

I’m not sure any class would be capable of that unless it’s bare handed like Necalli from SFV.

Chokolata.1870:

I have an issue with elite specs in general, at least the ones that are getting an OH weapon. Because they think that getting an OH weapon is a handicap compared to two hand weapons, they felt the need to compensate the classes by giving something extra on top of what is already there.

Necro and Guardian get their class mechanics replaced by different class mechanics. Mesmers, Warriors and Revenants get another F ability. It does not turn them into a different spec, it turns them into a spec++. This is fundamentally flawed.

That’s their choice actually number of skills matter especially if it’s a MH which no one will get or a 2H it’s more build defining but again that’s their choice. Reaper’s Shroud was the best out of the reaper first BWE and additional changes are being for the rest to catch up and improve it itself. DH is confusing the connection with base guard seems missing and somewhat the same for Tempest.