Guild Wars 2

I like the connection that zerk,chrono and reaper share with their base class that’s a selling point in design. I don’t know what to say about Tempest but DH had a brief attention from me, this is not a rant but please don’t let this Dare Devil take the same route as DH and Tempest.

It looks promising in gameplay and characterization not sure if it will be enough to move away from stances but Robert did it again. Stop with the salt war is the closest class to us without stances our sustain is better than theirs.

Please no break bar for necro just let FotG trigger when you exit shroud and it will feel more like a GM. About Dhummfire I have a thread on that in short just make Life Blast a 2 hit skill making siphon proc and Unyielding Blast decent on base shroud as well.

Tabootrinket.2631:

Hmmm what the elite name inspires me is RNG skills.
Like you see dices rolling above the daredevil’s name as the casting time and if you get a 6 you rek stuff, if you get a 1 you better flee (if you can).
Or, there’s a selection of different effects for each skill and the dice decides which one will apply.

(A bit like “Taro cards of fate” for minstrels in the old Ragnarok online : It was one skill that was actually like 9 in 1, but only one is selected randomly when casted)

This slipped through my mind but it is the worst case scenario.

Highlie.7641:

Do we even care?
a thief is a thief even if it’s specialized.

Guards weren’t saying the same for DH neither were eles about tempest. A name is just a name but I’m more worried that the 3 will most likely share the same dev or maybe because he’s just not here.

AikijinX.6258:

Sagat.3285:

Cynz.9437:

oh btw from what i understand the guy responsible for thief spec was also responsible for tempest and dragonhunter…. you can imagine how crappy thief spec will be

Based on their forums the ignored feedback will be the worst part or maybe it’s because he’s on vacation or something.

Vacation. Is that a surprise to anyone? How long do you estimate this one? Sorry im digressing.

I have no idea it’s a different dev that gave out the DH and tempest changes so at least we know Karl is not in the building and thief elite spec is not ready yet. I expect us to go before ranger who are obviously last for unfortunately obvious reasons hopefully he’s back before they announce engi.

Cynz.9437:

oh btw from what i understand the guy responsible for thief spec was also responsible for tempest and dragonhunter…. you can imagine how crappy thief spec will be

Based on their forums the ignored feedback will be the worst part or maybe it’s because he’s on vacation or something.

Bhawb.7408:

Brokensunday.4098:

problem is dhuum fire if it only procs on the second hit it kill condi life blast but agree on rest

No, it would be a flat neutral change. You’d proc dhuumfire once every 1.4s just like right now.

You can’t kill what never existed. Dhummfire is still terrible on base shroud if it’s not going to proc on both hits there is no point of making it a two hit skill in the first place.

Advent.6193:

You just know who came up with that name, folks …
#HighConcept #PurityOfPistols

The worst part is: It’s probably going to be the reverse of how they did Dragonhunter … make a name that would be best as one word into two.

Aww no chill for him.

GreenPhoenix.2943:

We still heaven’t seen the specialization yet. Perhaps the people at anet are just trying to flush those of us who aren’t committed to the class. Watch as the elite spec is revealed to make us as powerful as we once were

It’s supposed to be optional.

Taobella.6597:

thief should have a trait line in shadow to be unable to be reveal by other classes.

It would just be another mandatory trait I’m not sure why PU is not put back to it’s old self yet.

uhohhotdog.3598:

Yea I can see it now. Bunkers bunkers and more bunkers. How exciting.

Actually I expect 2 mesmers making you believe the match is bugged until they bug you to death mmm you could even do it with 2 thieves despite their state. I’m wondering will I have enough time to build some LF…I’m a TDM kind of guy but they need to succeed with 5v5 first before ever thinking about anything lower.

Robert Gee.9246:

Having condition transfer on shroud was something I was playing with when doing the trait revamp. Plague Sending originally used shroud 1 as its trigger condition rather than critical hit. I ended up changing it because shroud 1 already had several traits that affected it and I didn’t want to overload it, plus the curses line had several traits that affected shroud in some way already. I think it would be a bit overpowered though if Life Blast could transfer conditions on every hit though.

On the topic of increasing the cast speed of Life Blast: I think we would need to lower the damage multiplier if we wanted to increase the cast speed. The damage per second on that skill at its current cast time is already about as high as we are comfortable with. It’s a tricky skill to balance because we’d need to also look at adjusting all the traits that affect it.

One suggestion was separating Life Blast into a two hit skill especially for Dhummfire,siphon proc and Unyielding Blast which are underwhelming for base shroud. If cast time reduction is of concern this is the safest suggestion given that won’t require changing traits like Reaper’s Might or reducing the damage. It’s not my suggestion I received from my thread dedicated to Dhummfire.

Atticus.7194:

Sagat.3285:

Atticus.7194:

Sagat.3285:

Atticus.7194:

Sagat.3285:

Atticus.7194:

Waar Kijk Je Naar.8713:

Purple Miku.7032:

Right now there is no circumstance in which condi builds are higher DPS than power builds for warrior in PvE so don’t freak out about it.

What’s the point of adding condition based stuff if it’s not going to be used anyway?

They’re trying to make condi viable so people can actually run builds with it. Problem is there weren’t many people asking for that.

Have you left the profession forums before?

Wait, I’m able to leave the profession forums? When did this happen? Who gave you the key?!

I’ll wait until you’re in the acceptance stage.

Please do, and make sure you maintain that smug sense of self importance that’s so very alluring, it just makes me want to listen to you all day long.

In the meantime you can either continue to be coy and tease us or you could enlighten us all with your boundless wisdom.

Condition were always subpar in every aspect of the game except solo roaming multiple changes happen they raised the cap,changed scaling,made all damaging one stack,vulnerability now affects it,mobs were designed for it etc. Both the GW2 discussion and HoT sections used to be filled with threads on conditions for PvE.

Saying a lot of people didn’t ask for it is a false opinion.

Point taken, however it just feels like ArenaNet are ignoring many of the other more pressing things warriors have been asking for such as; a more balanced approach to adrenaline decay, a counter to blind spam, or even just bug fixes (how about just fixing Earthshaker so it simply effects players on any sort of a incline) it feels a little disingenuous to ignore all that so ANet can continue to try and make conditions a viable alternative for power for every class (which isn’t in itself a terrible thing it just needs to be prioritized better).

I understand that with the change to condition caps condi has become a lot more intriguing but I’d rather see them address some of the other major issues of the class before they change things so they can tic off another box for condi viability on their list.

Every class is like that currently or has always been like that but we can definitely agree that their priorities are strange. HoT seems on top right now.

Sube Dai.8496:

Just ele in my opinion.

It’s not the burn on ele that’s the issue it’s what they can carry with it guard doesn’t have that neither does engi.

Lynnie.7213:

Sagat.3285:

TheLastNobody.8319:

do we know how cleansing ire will function with the berserker system?

3 bars become 1 so one burst clears 3 conditions but it would consume zerk state but you need 3 bars to enter it that is how I get it.

I don’t think using F1 ability when you berserker mode will get you out of it. Otherwise would be pointless.

I have no idea it does provide benefits like increase attack speed and trigger effects when you enter it I’m only saying that based on how adrenaline works but anyway the burst shouldn’t be the only reason you use it.

TheLastNobody.8319:

do we know how cleansing ire will function with the berserker system?

3 bars become 1 so one burst clears 3 conditions but it would consume zerk state but you need 3 bars to enter it that is how I get it.

ixon.2496:

I’m even suspended from making new topics sigh

If you’re not joking then they labeled you as a menace to society.

Atticus.7194:

Sagat.3285:

Atticus.7194:

Sagat.3285:

Atticus.7194:

Waar Kijk Je Naar.8713:

Purple Miku.7032:

Right now there is no circumstance in which condi builds are higher DPS than power builds for warrior in PvE so don’t freak out about it.

What’s the point of adding condition based stuff if it’s not going to be used anyway?

They’re trying to make condi viable so people can actually run builds with it. Problem is there weren’t many people asking for that.

Have you left the profession forums before?

Wait, I’m able to leave the profession forums? When did this happen? Who gave you the key?!

I’ll wait until you’re in the acceptance stage.

Please do, and make sure you maintain that smug sense of self importance that’s so very alluring, it just makes me want to listen to you all day long.

In the meantime you can either continue to be coy and tease us or you could enlighten us all with your boundless wisdom.

Condition were always subpar in every aspect of the game except solo roaming multiple changes happen they raised the cap,changed scaling,made all damaging one stack,vulnerability now affects it,mobs were designed for it etc. Both the GW2 discussion and HoT sections used to be filled with threads on conditions for PvE.

Saying a lot of people didn’t ask for it is a false opinion.

nekretaal.6485:

I think some of the posters in this thread need to take off the training wheels and start playing without vital persistence.

It’s doable.

I used to pre patch but I didn’t go in Soul Reaping at all and right now FoD and SM aren’t really better you now get reduced CD on shroud skills too soooo..

War is heavily telegraphed compared to rest of the game(closest to us) will they even hit us? The LB one is no longer AoE as well.

Atticus.7194:

Sagat.3285:

Atticus.7194:

Waar Kijk Je Naar.8713:

Purple Miku.7032:

Right now there is no circumstance in which condi builds are higher DPS than power builds for warrior in PvE so don’t freak out about it.

What’s the point of adding condition based stuff if it’s not going to be used anyway?

They’re trying to make condi viable so people can actually run builds with it. Problem is there weren’t many people asking for that.

Have you left the profession forums before?

Wait, I’m able to leave the profession forums? When did this happen? Who gave you the key?!

I’ll wait until you’re in the acceptance stage.

Atticus.7194:

Waar Kijk Je Naar.8713:

Purple Miku.7032:

Right now there is no circumstance in which condi builds are higher DPS than power builds for warrior in PvE so don’t freak out about it.

What’s the point of adding condition based stuff if it’s not going to be used anyway?

They’re trying to make condi viable so people can actually run builds with it. Problem is there weren’t many people asking for that.

Have you left the profession forums before?

Agemnon.4608:

Don’t give the devs any nerfing ideas.

Would they even receive them? The only relevant latest QQ I remember on thief was “2 thieves are killing me” even new players don’t bother making a nerf thread every week they could still check the Nerf Wish List. Ironically this section is turning into pre-patch necro forum.

Or you know make boon hate more common..

rotten.9753:

Y u no love Karl?

Keep the thread positive by not mentioning him please. Where is he even and who has thief under their mattress?

Tabootrinket.2631:

With the recent berserker reveal, it’s pretty much confirmed that this trait is for the berserk trait line.

“Like all other elite specializations, the Berserker will come complete with a full line of traits. While we were not told any of the specifics, the traits fall into three categories to buff different aspects of the berserker. The first is focused on brawling by providing benefits for going berserk and to help gather up enemies.”

http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=36349

Unless the trait is wrongly worded Berserker doesn’t use physical skills they use rage skills so thief still could get it. I hope it’s wrongly worded.

NikeEU.7690:

http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=36349

No corruptions but I will look forward to it.

striker.3704:

Exciton.8942:

nomdeplums.5780:

Elementalist doesn’t need to be nerfed. Celestial amulet needs to be removed.

This may actually be the best option: remove celestial amulet.

Ele is basically designed as a class that can do pretty much everything. However, the celestial amulet boosted it to the level that ele can do everything too well.

It would be better to have everyone in sPvP to fit into a role that does limited amount of things. Then you focus on rotation and team coordination to achieve the maximum synergy. Builds like cele DD ele really trivializes rotation and coordination. Being able to do everything well makes the whole game mode feel shallow.

I actually completely agree with this. Celestial amulet dictates a lot of what is strong because of the sheer amount of stats it gives alone. With it gone, people’s builds will be more counter-able because they will have clear weaknesses instead of covering all options.

There is always a clear weakness and nothing ever cover all options it just depends on how common the counter is. Are boon hate and chill common?

reinforever.8902:

Magira.6390:

Kocoff.7582:

reinforever.8902:

Kocoff.7582:

I will definitely try this out. Hoping Trapper runes is not expensive…. probably is.

I’m excited to hear what your personal experience with them is.

IN THE MEANTIME I noticed this terrible terrible skill while checking your build:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shadow_Trap

I find no Shadow Trap in the build. But would not that bad. The skill generates 15 stacks Might. In PVP I use to always, is nothing better for mobility.

I think he was just referring to the skill as it is another trap I COULD have used for the build. It gives 15 stacks of might? I though it was 5 stacks per trap. I can see the use of it for mobility though. Almost like a solo Mesmer portal for emergencies. In wvw it’s near useless IMO.

Edit: like I said in another post, I would prefer the shorter cooldown trap for more access to stealth and super speed, and the thief npc provides decent dps and cc.

It gives 10 on it’s own with some fury and stealth it’s also a break stun (kind off) it depends on your style I hate the cast time on return without a target though.

Ragion.2831:

By the time they see no one will be taking base necro any more they will have no choice but to find a way to combine DS and RS. I am willing to bet they are going to do it after the next BWE

Unless i am mistaken the other elite specs adds on to the profession mechanic instead of replacing it. Why they choose to deny necro the same benefit i am struggling to understand. So odd, I really should be used to the way they treat the class by now.

In any case Reaper is a much needed upgrade, replacement actually since DS has nothing going for it except face tanking. At least Reaper is interesting and much better with the changes so i guess we will see how it plays in the next BWE.

Reaper and DH got 2H weapons and again I’m against both shrouds being available.

Eodwen.2613:

That sound cool that way you cant spam them twice in a row but it still gets you your cds back in chain fights. I think Anet was hoping this would turn out to be a good combo with sword trait recharging steal or smth .

Once that trait doesn’t require a specific weapon I might think of trying it out.

Eodwen.2613:

Sagat.3285:

What about reduce 50% of remaining CD of all utilities?

I like the idea! But if its all utilities might be OP still.

33% then.

What about reduce 50% of remaining CD of all utilities?

jheryn.8390:

Gabriell.4856:

jheryn.8390:

GROAN. Who really cares when a class gets revealed? Does it ultimately matter? One class has to be first and one has to be last. Why look for a conspiracy?

These kinds of threads are dumb but inevitable. If Warrior or Ele were last we would have conspiracy threads like, “Ele and Warrior not revealed until last because they are are going to nerf the big damage classes.”

It does to me when you look at their balancing cycle which is 6 months for major updates. It may be fine with you but for others 6 months is a bit too long to wait.

So which classes do you think should have been the last revealed? No matter what you say there are hordes of people who will disagree with you.

Revenant.

Jekkt.6045:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Jekkt.6045:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

If anything, we could tweak duration or stacks if it doesn’t feel good enough when you all get a chance to play it.

roy, would you please share your way of thinking with the other devs? i feel like some of the others would definitely profit from this, and the classes they work on too^^

I do. All of us on working on skills sit together, are all in the same meeting, etc. I’m involved in basically all things involving player combat. We always aim to constantly improve ourselves and our designs.

How can Karl be on a meeting and a rumored vacation at the same time? Whoever has at least laid eyes on thief recently please speak yourself to at least defend yourself and possibly repost with good changes.

Maugetarr.6823:

“Mos Eisley Spaceport The thief forum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.”

-devs

Joking aside, this place can be pretty hostile towards devs. I can understand why they wouldn’t want to spend their spare time here. No one wants to work hard at something just to be yelled at.

Have you been to necro forums?!! They did and guess what? We stopped bringing doom and they bring satisfying results, there is no excuse to not talk to your community no matter how hostile it can get because you both want the same results unless of course the dev is doing it to not get fired and no one else wants to do it.

Kain Francois.4328:

axe would be pretty much identical to dagger, then. chain melee on #1, long channel #2… just the #3s different

That’s why they should rework it into a burst-y weapon.

As it stands, Daggers are our defensive weapon.

Life Siphon is no reason to call dagger defensive it is dps,GS is supposed to be melee burst and staff is no power weapon so axe needs to become/stay ranged.

I can’t help but say this is how necros used to be.

Gabriell.4856:

I Backstabbed the Mesmer’s Thank You Post and got it locked.

Thief 1 Mesmer 0

Lulz.

Nice gameplay I question Ambush though Shadow Trap is better in my opinion it just has a higher CD but the trade-offs are good,interesting to not see Trickery and the traditional Steal set up in use. Despite my hate on why the spec is working it’s kind of disappointing that trapper thieves are extremely rare in WvW.

reinforever.8902:

Sagat.3285:

I used to run traps I started hating it because I had to rely on a rune if played properly it can compare to d/p since CiS is no longer mandatory but you could just just run traditional d/p and be more effective. The stealth on trap should have been a trait this shows how sorry they actually and how bad they are supported by their own ckass. Even if the runes come to PvP I doubt I would go back to traps.

True it relies on a rune, but many other builds have to rely on something. I agree to disagree about traditional d/p being better though, because personally I’m having way more luck with the trap build.
Things I lose : a stun break (this is the worst one)
SR (obsolete for me personally)
Infil signet(again, obsolete for this build)

Things I gain:
Permastealth if I do the rotation right (and can be done at any time while actually in combat) yes I mean true permastealth as in I never leave stealth unless I stop doing anything.
Superspeed for backstabs and escapes and gap closing
free initiative to spam d/p 3 to stick to target.
Lots of cc from traps, knockdown, cripple, immobilize, pull from the thief npc, plus one trap applies some poison to help with those pesky healers.

Like I said, for me personally the trapper build outweighs traditional d/p and it just synergizes well for my playstyle.

Edit: If they did make stealth on trap a trait for DA (since the rest of the trap traits are there) i’d jump with joy. But I think it’s too late for that now since we have the rune already and we’re one of 3 classes with traps at all.

It’s WvW even YOLO venom thieves or ballerina Death Blossom shine. It has trade-off which is fine but no build in the game relies on a kitten rune those runes are the only reason I went “Oh thief has traps” then I realize it was just a lazy fix and a real one would never come.

I can’t deny that I love the style it resembles C9’s hybrid scout which I used to main but the way they made it happen sickens me. They even bothered removing direct damage from our traps which is nice but we still have to rely on this kitten rune.

It’s more dependant on then fire/air or doom/geo sigils.

Synergies this
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guarded_Initiation
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Swindler%27s_Equilibrium

Are you telling one line is lacking so I have to take another one to make up for it? I don’t remember them doing this for another class the line is supposed to be optional or will it be a “use it with Acro to succeed” kind of line?? I give you the benefit of the doubt though.

What’s their excuse for SA?

reinforever.8902:

AikijinX.6258:

It says “Thieves have an affinity for setting traps, and using venoms” yet both are very weak, and the builds that we are forced to play have been nerfed.

Hey speak for yourself, I’m using a trapper backstab build and it kittenin rocks. But I agree with everything else you’ve stated.

I used to run traps I started hating it because I had to rely on a rune if played properly it can compare to d/p since CiS is no longer mandatory but you could just just run traditional d/p and be more effective. The stealth on trap should have been a trait this shows how sorry they actually and how bad they are supported by their own ckass. Even if the runes come to PvP I doubt I would go back to traps.

Omega Zoa.3859:

Dunno what is wrong with thief but i am going to ASSUME that you are saying thief is underpowered….saying that is like saying the zhaitan fight was good and hard.

-1

Cynz.9437:

Lol my guess is they are trying to ruin every single build thieves currently have so players actually would have to run new spec thus forced to buy xpac….. dirty tactics, pathetic~

If reliable cleansing and endurance(not vigor) regen is found in the new line I’ll believe you.

Tbh that has to be the most innovative elite spec concept other than chrono especially for a GW2 style warrior if it actually goes that way at least to me that is. Hopefully it delivers.

This reminds me of(old) necro forums…ironic..

Sandrox.9524:

We have one thing to hold onto,they changed feline grace like everyone wanted.That gives us a bit of hope they do see this forum.

“Laughable” is the nicest thing I can say about it.

Kocoff.7582:

@Sagat…. what is a thief without Steal? He becomes Aladdin.

Are you trying to make this worse ? Don’t say this, stop giving me bad thoughts. I want to sleep well tonight and have good dreams. hahaha #Imtoooldforthis.

@Amante… I could not have said it better. " Anything less would be a waste" .

WE GOTTA HAVE FAITH BOYS. THE THIEVES WILL PREVAIL. All I know it this : two other players wrote an open letter just like mine, but it got deleted and Arenanet Staff sent them messages.
So it is safe to assume, they READ this thread. We can only hope one of them answers the message.

Well it’s not called a thief anyway and I’m just following a pattern in the revealed ones those who got a 1H weapon got an extra F button ele would have too hard come on now and those who got 2H weapons got their mechanic replaced if war follow the same pattern then if thief get either rifle or staff steal will be altered. If we get super stolen items I’m out.