Guild Wars 2

The lack of incoming nerf threads may be harsh but I admire your determination and creativity. It’s sad to see the old one fade away but there is always room for improvement.

Charrbeque.8729:

ScribeTheMad.7614:

Well, given how much a test of skill they’re supposed to be I’d hope things like rez orbs are disabled. Personally I think they should remove the repair anvil as well.
It made for a good joke.
But these folks asked for a truly brutal challenge, and it just wouldn’t be fair to steal that from them with such cheap things as rez orbs and easy access repairs.
No, punishment for not being as awesome as they think they are should cost them a trip elsewhere to repair.

A dev did posted in this thread the res orbs would be disabled.

But I completely agree about removing the repair anvil. They should also disable instant repair canisters too.

For a long time the elitists have complained about the game being too “easy” and “boring”.

I say give them what they want. Make raids as difficult as possible.

Aside from disabling res orbs and removing the anvil, take the death penalty from GW1 and add it to raids with no way to remove the penalty during the raid. If all players get a -60% death penalty, the raid fails and everyone is removed from the map. They would have to go repair their armor and start all over again.

The hate is strong in this one.

So it must proc confusion as well.

Please limit them to unranked.

Axelwarrior.9084:

Sagat.3285:

Axelwarrior.9084:

ODB.6891:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Bhawb.7408:

Well to be fair, the reason Ele is there is because it has (or had I’m not sure of current DPS listings) the highest DPS. Which means if your build doesn’t have any unique support, it has to be the highest DPS in the game as its “niche”, which so far doesn’t happen. With 10 people in a group it might actually be possible to devote a few people to max DPS duty if a DPS-only build actually had insane DPS, but I don’t see how Necromancer would get that role.

Also, they mention that you need survivability, but the reality is people are more than capable of doing the current most difficult content with berserker gear, so it might be that ANet is just too bad to deal with it.

If Ele only had the highest DPS it would be fine, but it also has amazing utility and support on top of that…
Of course, back when FGS was a thing, it was even more ridiculous.

Btw, do we know what our DPS after Robert’s recent changes to Reaper? Is it possible that it has gotten impressive?

Also, in raids, reviving might be more relevant, so Blood Magic Necromancer would be slightly more useful…
Though, I guess, Blood Magic will most likely be replaced by Reaper if we want good DPS?

I hope people realize that necromancers aren’t the only profession that has rez traits. The only differences is that ours help person being rezzed…the other professions traits help the rezzer not die while doing the rez. That being said, I would never play or invite a class just for the purpose of rezzing…that’s just a defeatist mentality to assume that you are going to have a bunch of fails to have to compensate for.

Thinking that “I shouldn’t ever be getting downed” is a dungeon mentality and a testiment to how easy PvE is.
I see no problem with getting downed and being in danger in raids. Why not have a boss target a few members of the party and instantly downing them before preparing his next attack? Sounds like a reasonable mechanic to me.

In GW2, losing all your HP doesn’t mean you have failed. Because down state is a mechanic.

That’s more PvP challenge type PvE pales to it bosses have far less potential then players and are usually 1v5 or 10 for raids. You need damage to win down state is a damage loss maybe not with necro lol didn’t test so every comp will always focus and adapt to not getting downed even if the devs try to enforce it. Rest of the game of the game is way too easy and different for players to suddenly accept that in raids for now.

Raids are supposed to change what we take for granted in dungeons today.

I know I’m being about specific about the down state mechanic. No one is going to build around downstate,rez or even accept going into it as part of the challenge unless they can create PvP like raids which I see no hint of. Players will stay alive by their own strength or rely on others unless I’ve been wrongly underestimating the devs PvE creativity.

Axelwarrior.9084:

ODB.6891:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Bhawb.7408:

Well to be fair, the reason Ele is there is because it has (or had I’m not sure of current DPS listings) the highest DPS. Which means if your build doesn’t have any unique support, it has to be the highest DPS in the game as its “niche”, which so far doesn’t happen. With 10 people in a group it might actually be possible to devote a few people to max DPS duty if a DPS-only build actually had insane DPS, but I don’t see how Necromancer would get that role.

Also, they mention that you need survivability, but the reality is people are more than capable of doing the current most difficult content with berserker gear, so it might be that ANet is just too bad to deal with it.

If Ele only had the highest DPS it would be fine, but it also has amazing utility and support on top of that…
Of course, back when FGS was a thing, it was even more ridiculous.

Btw, do we know what our DPS after Robert’s recent changes to Reaper? Is it possible that it has gotten impressive?

Also, in raids, reviving might be more relevant, so Blood Magic Necromancer would be slightly more useful…
Though, I guess, Blood Magic will most likely be replaced by Reaper if we want good DPS?

I hope people realize that necromancers aren’t the only profession that has rez traits. The only differences is that ours help person being rezzed…the other professions traits help the rezzer not die while doing the rez. That being said, I would never play or invite a class just for the purpose of rezzing…that’s just a defeatist mentality to assume that you are going to have a bunch of fails to have to compensate for.

Thinking that “I shouldn’t ever be getting downed” is a dungeon mentality and a testiment to how easy PvE is.
I see no problem with getting downed and being in danger in raids. Why not have a boss target a few members of the party and instantly downing them before preparing his next attack? Sounds like a reasonable mechanic to me.

In GW2, losing all your HP doesn’t mean you have failed. Because down state is a mechanic.

That’s more PvP challenge type PvE pales to it bosses have far less potential then players and are usually 1v5 or 10 for raids. You need damage to win down state is a damage loss maybe not with necro lol didn’t test so every comp will always focus and adapt to not getting downed even if the devs try to enforce it. Rest of the game of the game is way too easy and different for players to suddenly accept that in raids for now.

Sandrox.9524:

Sagat.3285:

Sandrox.9524:

Sagat.3285:

Sandrox.9524:

Sagat.3285:

Killyox.3950:

Lol. People surprised to see Dev post in thief forum after Thief POI.

I rather call it the Daredevil POI I don’t remember hearing anything for thief from there and yes it’s not surprising.

What trait line you gonna sacrifice for this one trait?

Since Acro is dump and DA is trash for condi you can sacrifice either for DD despite their unjustified nerfs on SA. For power you can pass on CS and Acro is a dump so sacrifice either for it. Hell I wouldn’t even call it a sacrifice if you’re trading something that’s even close to being equal.

DD doesn’t interest me that’s my opinion but it would be stupid to not obviously take it.

cant dump DA on power.And acro is fine now and hard to catch + dont stop really good traits to pass on..

I said you can dump CS on power and DA on condi also I’m now sure how Acro is fine “now”.

with the felince grace change

From 2 sec of vigor to 4 sec?? Bad joke attempt and Acro is not only Feline Grace.

Bhawb.7408:

Well, only Spiteful Spirit has an ICD on shroud entry now, so they did listen.

Also, I think the most striking thing about SS is that Blood Bond and Signets of Suffering end up outpacing its boon corruption, before including any other signets. The rest of what it does is pretty minor imo, so overall it ends up just being a weak AoE proc and a minor corruption.

Entry and exit proc wanted.

Atherakhia.4086:

How does a class with perma regen, several heals, and near perma protection lack sustain?

HP…ele has low HP the same “valuable” asset that made warrior “the sustain class” in early game, that always gave necro the almighty attrition “2 HP bars” and that made guard the “lowest possible sustain”. If you catch my vibe the devs not being as good as players is not the most important thing we have to worry about.

Improved kits..? Too hard and late.

sinject.4607:

Sagat.3285:

Please don’t forget more common boon hate.

everything ele does gives them boons; all three traitlines give them boons. eles have too much access to might, protection, and regen (only an issue with cleansing water, which is profession specific obviously). so yeah, boons are part of what needs to get nerfed with cele ele without a doubt.

necros have the same issue with might, too much access (+death perception, which = 1000 precision) to it lets them hit like someone on marauder while getting the drastic sustain improvements from celestial.

People are also forgetting that more boon hate also provides logical counters to cele spec if it becomes to much of issue not just cele d/d ele. The game has been heavily missing boon hate since the beginning how did the devs not realize this yet?!

Btw by boon hate I mean removal,steal,transfer,receiving less damage the more boons you foes have(war) etc not actually nerf boon from them.

Zero Day.2594:

Not to be a Debbie Downer but pretty sure it’s just because of the elite spec, like with other classes when theirs were announced…

“He who knows his name” (no not him ours >.>)is not the talkative type…it seems. Not sure who is taking care of engi and ranger but war(to an extent),necro,mesmer,rev are getting some natural communications not much but enough and on point.

But yes “he who knows his name” and “he who tries to protect him” were here for the brief happy times of DD and to defend “he who knows his name”.

nekretaal.6485:

Bosses needs to be able to burst through projectile blocks/reflects too. With 10 people in a raid, it could be trivial to chain reflects.

That’s why I like gank bosses. The single kill on sight for loot kind of boss needs to go making some have benefits when they are too close or vice versa between phases encourages awareness. That’s also why single big encounters in open world are trash.

Please don’t forget more common boon hate.

If they removed initial direct damage would you be happy?

Bhawb.7408:

No offense to ANet, but they aren’t known for being good players. I’ve seen their PvP streams more than enough to know I wouldn’t trust them when it comes to high level gameplay. Necromancer would need some insane buffs to be worth bringing over Ele.

I can’t be the only one thinking ele is be too potent basically everything is compared to ele every class but necro and ranger have a specific strength to offer like stealth,support,reflects etc. I don’t trust their skills but it’s better than nothing seeing them believing(for now) that necro will be on par with the rest.

I do question what’s the dps of bosses if necro survives it… It would have to be multiple small to medium attacks or else it won’t be a challenge.

Sandrox.9524:

Sagat.3285:

Sandrox.9524:

Sagat.3285:

Killyox.3950:

Lol. People surprised to see Dev post in thief forum after Thief POI.

I rather call it the Daredevil POI I don’t remember hearing anything for thief from there and yes it’s not surprising.

What trait line you gonna sacrifice for this one trait?

Since Acro is dump and DA is trash for condi you can sacrifice either for DD despite their unjustified nerfs on SA. For power you can pass on CS and Acro is a dump so sacrifice either for it. Hell I wouldn’t even call it a sacrifice if you’re trading something that’s even close to being equal.

DD doesn’t interest me that’s my opinion but it would be stupid to not obviously take it.

cant dump DA on power.And acro is fine now and hard to catch + dont stop really good traits to pass on..

I said you can dump CS on power and DA on condi also I’m now sure how Acro is fine “now”.

I need help I can’t find my -1 button.

Sandrox.9524:

Sagat.3285:

Killyox.3950:

Lol. People surprised to see Dev post in thief forum after Thief POI.

I rather call it the Daredevil POI I don’t remember hearing anything for thief from there and yes it’s not surprising.

What trait line you gonna sacrifice for this one trait?

Since Acro is dump and DA is trash for condi you can sacrifice either for DD despite their unjustified nerfs on SA. For power you can pass on CS and Acro is a dump so sacrifice either for it. Hell I wouldn’t even call it a sacrifice if you’re trading something that’s even close to being equal.

DD doesn’t interest me that’s my opinion but it would be stupid to not obviously take it.

Siva Mira.3546:

Sagat.3285:

Sigmoid.7082:

I tried the build with soliders and it seemed more fun to play with.

I hate the lack of crit chance and ferocity with soldier. The healing power is okay but I really wish I could replace condition damage for any other stat. I’m starting to think condition damage wasn’t intended for necro.

I play Condi Cele Sig Necro and I think Condition Damage is there for a good reason.

I’m just not experiencing it since I’m not running in Blood Magic anymore I even replaced my geo sigils with hydromancy one wich fits much better and add more pressure. Conditions damaging or not are here as extras to weaken,bother and debuff the foe. You say condition cele necro which is weird what I get from that is you taking an expired scepter and an overweight OH for 2 obviously better options and possibly Terror for the cherry on top of the build.

Just make boon hate more common already.

Sigmoid.7082:

I tried the build with soliders and it seemed more fun to play with.

I hate the lack of crit chance and ferocity with soldier. The healing power is okay but I really wish I could replace condition damage for any other stat. I’m starting to think condition damage wasn’t intended for necro.

NeXeD.3042:

wail o doom let’s me actually get a heal off on my necro occasionally.

Let’s +1 this man to the grave.

Amante.8109:

Yeah… I really wish ANet would stop passing out condition cleanses like candy.

I’m waiting for a condition version of resistance still. I’m wondering where is the common boon hate we need for the meta instead of more of the same how long will it take them to realize that.

Archaon.9524:

Wolfey.3407:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

so how do you kill ele ?

they kill you 1v1
they chase you down and kill you
they survive 2v1

at least pre nerfed warriors can still be easily put down.

For myself, I’ve found that a couple of strategies have worked out.
1) Wait for them to mess up (wrong element) and DPS hard/ Condi Hard
2) Pour on the CC

Certain variations of Eles do take a while to kill, but that’s where you have to decide to continue to pursue or focus on point A,B, and C instead.

good eles don’t mess up lol

it’s like saying “Just wait for them being totally bad then kill them”

Somebody gets it.

It’s a cast time issue just like with focus. Reduce that and add LF gain to #4 and it will see some uses.

Edit: Ironically just like with focus the traits CoD and Weakening Shroud are way better than the actual weapons. It’s kind of a shame.

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

They increased the CD. That was a nerf. Now you’re asking for an increase in healing. That’s a buff. If they nerfed the heal and found it was in a good place, why would they buff it?

Learn to read.

style.6173:

ragnarokda.1805:

I don’t really see how you getting 100-0’d by conditions over 5-10 seconds is any different than getting killed by straight burst? I mean… there are quite a few proactive and reactive skills in the game to help mitigate condition burst but very FEW reactive ways to not die to a huge burst spike.

You miss the main point. In a normal burst, people need to spec with zerker or marauder. That gives them minimal sustain. In condi, they can spec way more defensively and still do insane damage.

Implementation of burn stacking was the single worst decision that ANET has made. That and hiring a balance team that doesn’t balance.

This argument keeps popping it’s false there is ramp up time,cleansing,CC,blind and everything that GW2 combat has. Burn and sometimes confusion are the only good conditions. You didn’t build to counter to conditions did you?? You speced to play your way.

Coulter.2315:

Why do you want Withdraw buffed? Kinda shoots your “I really want balance” ideals in the foot.

Not buffed just justified they increased the CD and said they were giving it extra healing to compensate it never happened… I know I shouldn’t mention “who who is dealing with messy and angry reports from the worst elite specs so far” but thief in general is way under their radar. The latest “buff” to Feline Grace reminds me of that “mobility buff” they once made on necro WH.

The HoT excuse is wearing out they shouldn’t have made such significant changes if they knew HoT would get in the way. At least that’s what they said..

Constantin.5608:

Drop down one Well of Corruption and all eles are dead in seconds MUahahahah ! >:D

Haha cool joke.

Tarkan.5609:

nekretaal.6485:

Dhuumfire is a bad trait.

I know that, but I think given that the Reaper AA is pretty fast (could even be 15% faster by traiting for it) and cleaves, I think that trait will be really good for Condi/Cele Reapers…
Even though I hate condition builds, I hope that gives me some reason to play Cele on my necro as well

You would lose 1 really good line though I love Spite and Curses Soul Reaping is a must just like every unique line. I don’t see cele reaper being better than cele necro and no Dhummfire is not a bad trait it’s just wet trash with Life Blast.

Anchoku.8142:

Reaper will be great at farming trash mobs.

Was this a joke attempt?

1-There is no condition meta.
2-You mention golems so your statement is invalid
3-Bleed and poison are trash conditions even ranger needs additional burn to make it useful
4-You mentioned condition thief…invalid statement
5-Negative 100% of condition damage is game breaking
6-The meta needs a good dose of real boon hate

RevanCorana.8942:

560 condi dmg is nothing if you can’t burn.
560 condi dmg with many burn stacks start being noticable.
Necro can do anyting but burn.
Having 25 might stacks doesn’t change much either
the bleed and poison dmg is low, on burn again it does.

I do wish I could get rid of the condition damage stat but it’s no reason to call the build bad even if bleeds and poison had higher damage I doubt it would matter but I guess that depends on what happens to scepter.

That’s just another bandaid.

Maugetarr.6823:

not a weaker version of DD

Let’s really emphasized this and SA is not even related to daredevil so why the nerfs? I understand you can’t fix everything at once buf a true caring dev comments or gives hope on the bad times not just the brief happy ones. Watching daredevil stream is not a source of that.

I thought the new line was supposed to be optional and not the answer to everything. Revert the SA nerfs, improve Acro no Acro is not just Feline Grace.

Since the bandaids are not working I support as well. It’s not hard and they just went f2p right?

Xillllix.3485:

It’s always the same, people fail to adapt their playstyle and start blaming the flavor of the month class. Guardian can do more damage and is less squishy on a Marauder amulet than an ele on celestial. Mesmers are doing 16k spikes from stealth and people still complain about an ele bunkering down. It’s not like the ele has a choice.

For every build there is a counter, and an ele is anything but difficult to kill if you bothered to learn the class weakness.

Ah yes counters mmm if only boon hate was more common.

Shockwave.1230:

Sagat.3285:

Haha cheap bandaids are coming back and are staying for a really long time until boon hate becomes a real thing. I could say the same for PvE.

Boon hate? You mean Cele signet necro?

It’s not a real thing ele is not the only one providing AoE boons and cleansing hell if you try stacking 4 necros you probably would lose vs 4 eles. Until boon hate becomes a reliable and common counter especially in AoE format the bandaid train has no brakes. Same goes for PvE.

GrandHaven.1052:

Solori.6025:

GrandHaven.1052:

Exedore.6320:

This is an elementalist (and necro) problem, not a celestial amulet problem. No other profession or even other builds in the same profession perform nearly as well with the celestial amulet.

The builds which have used celestial amulets and been “meta” all share two key capabilities:

1. Power from Traits/Abilities The power value on celestial amulet is pretty low, so unless you can dramatically increase your power, your damage isn’t that meaningful. Elementalists and signet necros do this with might stacking. Pre-patch cele rifle engineer did it with 300 power from the trait line.
2. Easy Access to Damaging Conditions In order to take full advantage of celestial, a build also needs easy and constant access to damaging conditions, especially burning. Elementalist certainly has this. Necromancer has a lot of bleed and poison and can get others through conversions. Pre-patch cele rifle engi had Incendiary Powder.

The fix is to reduce might stacking and cut down on no-effort condition application.

Please explain how NECRO is part of the problem?

it can counter an ele when played really well

Just a softcounter… Not to mention they FIX the problem, not create it.

Boons and AoE cleansing are on rampage until conditions and especially boon hate can match bandaids will keep coming.

Haha cheap bandaids are coming back and are staying for a really long time until boon hate becomes a real thing. I could say the same for PvE.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

I find it funny how nobody complained on the forums when this thing happened ages ago:

It’s not relevant if it happens now anymore sooo yeah it doesn’t count anymore. I would like to see 4 eles 1 thief vs 4 necros 1 thief it’s risky but it’s tempting.

Berserker. #comeatmebro

Fuzzion.2504:

This rune needs a solid ICD

Yes let’s kill the only reason a thief will ever use traps even power builds find a use of it so it must be nerfed and Soldier Runes as well. It’s not hard making bad suggestions when l2p is the answer.

Zenith.7301:

Anyone who’s done mai trin knows very well that necro is not a more survivable class than another class who can heal their HP to full and can do so often.

Necro heals per second is absolute garbage, and since shroud is a DPS loss arguing that life force substitutes for heals is a really bad argument since other classes heal up without gimping their DPS.

This is even more apparent with water field blasting, which won’t heal a necro in death shroud.

Dev: Necro is selfish!! It’s working as intended!!
Players: Isn’t the game team oriented??

Add real condition mobs to PvE now!

Silverkey.2078:

Sagat.3285:

perry.9645:

If they make Vampiric Aura and Spotter apply to 10 people, Ranger and Necro will have a almost guaranteed spot in Raids and even if not people can still play what they like :P

Unless they bring condition mobs I’m not sure what’s the point of necro.

Necro have a high survivability even in a full zerker setup. So while everyone will be forced to switch to soldier armor, necro in valkyrie will destroy everything.

Just adapt your trait,utilities for it no need to bring another class. It’s not like HP is better than actual mitigation and no one will switch to soldier if he’s dps focus especially with 10 players. Condition mobs would have directly guaranteed necro and rev don’t get left out.

perry.9645:

If they make Vampiric Aura and Spotter apply to 10 people, Ranger and Necro will have a almost guaranteed spot in Raids and even if not people can still play what they like :P

Unless they bring condition mobs I’m not sure what’s the point of necro.

If they remember to add condition mobs and bosses necro and rev.