Guild Wars 2

No need! I’m glad that there are more people out there who have given coordinated efforts a try. I really hope that WvW moves in that direction in the future; it’s definitely one of the things that would keep me interested in the game mode, as I may have said earlier in the thread.

I do think the tactics could be improved upon. A lot. More traps, mass stealth by terrain, different ways to interact with terrain, etc. I’d definitely find this more interesting!

Oh, not doubting it, Bread. But then my post wasn’t aimed at you. Did your guild group ever use a zerg to their advantage? You can put one to use, tactically, without ever being a part of it. I think of it as much like a tactical nuke – it’s the weapon itself being referred to, not its particular actions. You know the zerg is a mindless ball of raging 1 smashers – the question is always who has the blue Dorito, and where you can convince them to drag their followers to for the server’s benefit. =)

Craptrain.7203:

Clearly you don’t understand that I used the word ‘zerg’ and not the words ‘coordinated guild group’. Had I meant the latter, I would have used the latter. Try to read what’s posted before responding.

Craptrain.7203:

The whole “follow the zerg” style of gameplay is simply not fun for me.

Your post quoted first shows that you have very little experience in the way of actually functioning outside of zergs and reeks of the same blatant ignorance that most people who talk about zergs display when they talk about WvW. So yes, what my post is saying is that you are literally not knowledgeable about differences in practice.

Oh, and by the way, a smaller group with enough influence on the server can very much use a zerg tactically simply by its existence simply by suggesting to the pug commander where to hit next.

My, you’re relentless. Keep trying. I’m sure you’ll seem intelligent to someone.

Clearly you don’t understand the difference between a zerg and a coordinated guild group.

Your post probably would’ve worked better if it had made any sense, oh wise one. Nowhere was it implied that GW2 is not enjoyable and in fact a very clear hypothetical example of a means to enjoyment was given by way of mentioning AP (whether for rewards or competition). But by all means, reproach me with your next pseudo-intellectual comment.

Craptrain.7203:

Perhaps if one needs more enjoyment out of video games, they may want to move to a game that offers it, eh?

As clever as I’m sure you think you are, you don’t seem to have understood my post in the slightest.

Mirta.5029:

If one “needs” those achievement points to feel happy in a game, then one gets some golden patience, goes out there and completes every single little jp, every single slayer achievement, every single current living story achievement, instead of coming to the forums to make a topic about it.

Who made a thread? Way to derail the topic there, with skewed examples, no less. I guess you don’t have an argument.

Nice straw man there.

Shockwave.1230:

People are overreacting now because of immediate selfish wants and not understanding the concept of giving back.

He says, in defense of getting a large chunk of AP. rolleyes.jpg

Oh lord, another person arguing in favor of the AP, most likely going to cause the argument to resurface here. You people just never learn. Gotta get that last word, don’t you?

Mirta.5029:

not really. Most people judge optional and not optional by asking a question of “do I have to do this?”
“Do I have to eat?” “Yes” “Do I have to work?” “Yes”
“Do I have to play Guild Wars 2?” “No, but I might want to play Guild Wars 2” “Do I have to get a legendary?” “No, but I might want to get a legendary” “Do I have to get achievement points?” “No, but I might want to get the shinies that come with achievement points, so I’ll dedicate my free tome to get them”.
See the difference?

If the entire game is a “want” the the entire argument is moot. One may as well examine what one needs to do to get X level of enjoyment from the game itself, in which case tangible rewards come into play as a logical goal requiring those specific needs.

Not what I said at all. I said that saying any of the above things about someone who is offering a legit concern comes across as fanboyism.

They could always opt to not count points from dailies or start capping it at 10 total per day, as someone else suggested. That might make things more balanced if they also remove HoM stuff.

As he said, even surviving is optional. It really is a nothing but an excuse not to provide a valid point.

Shiren.9532:

The most consistent (and least constructive) complaint is people complaining about complaining. Forums are for feedback, both negative and positive. It’s just less common for people to give positive feedback because they are busy enjoying it.

Finally, someone who gets it instead of just shouting the words “crying”, “complaining”, or “QQ” every time someone threatens their fanboy mindset.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

Really? It hardly seems like your happy with the game at all if you let the fact that some players got a measly 500 points have such a huge effect on you. And if you are going to try to claim it has not had a huge effect on your enjoyment of the game, then why are you still posting here, making such a huge deal of it then? It’s really rather sad.

In agreement with what Curuglas said, just because I’m happy with the overall aspects of the game does not mean I have to approve of everything. Apparently arguing with people like you is “making a huge deal” of something. Exaggerate more.

Laivine.9308:

Newsflash: We don’t give a kitten either, whether you are impressed or not about GW1 achievements . We don’t give kitten if you gonna subtract or not imaginary points from scores, to make you feel better! Are we even now?

Have a good day!

Apparently you do, or you wouldn’t so adamantly post here defending yourselves, lulz. Have you ever heard the phrase, “Hell is other people?”

Zero Tolerance.1539:

People who do not make it to top500 and aren’t anywhere close to top10 on their servers shouldn’t even post here. You do not understand that 10k AP players with no GW1 history got seriously, unfairly shafted with this 500 bonus given to others. You also do not understand that being at 10k+ means you were doing your dailies, all of them – nothing optional – for almost every day of the game.
So please, refrain from posting on subjects that you’re all not familiar with.

Oh I was very much in this position before a stream of +500 AP HoM players got placed ahead of me. I entirely agree with you.

Sylv.5324:

No, it really doesn’t. We’re defending it because it was a lovely gift and is very much appreciated. You’re definitely trying to criticise us for things we never did or said.

So why are you still here defending it again? You seem awfully persistent for someone who isn’t incredibly invested in being given an advantage. You people are less treating it as a gift and, by multiple users’ own admittance, as a right.

Sylv.5324:

You are projecting your own anger hardcore here, bro. You’re the one who’s started raging about ANet rewarding GW1 vets and making all sorts of mean and false accusations.

Oh boy, a “no u” argument. How long did it take you to come up with that one? Read back up in the thread. At least one person has turned to gloating about their points when pressured. Guess it really shows who people are. Are you going to be next?

I’m surprised you didn’t rage about the headstart giving folks an advantage.

Head start was essentially a normal release. Players just paid for the game a fair amount of time before it happened.

At this point, let’s call them what people treat them as.

Chores.

Do your dailies!

MithranArkanere.8957:

Also, there should be a global daily limit of 10 daily achievement points and bring a 5th random PvP achievement that changes each day.

I think this would be a cool improvement.

Hey fatty. Where’d you jump from this time?

I completely agree about the nature of “achievements” these days in games. To be honest I wish it wasn’t even a thing in GW2.

As far as champions…I’ve been looking for more opportunities to fight more than one at once. Once you learn their patterns you can beat any of them. I think multiples may be really fun.

Ha, good idea. As long as it doesn’t just last a couple of weeks like everything else. This "living world "stuff doesn’t make the game feel very stable.

Ultimately this is Anet’s choice (and very likely more of a money grab than an actual reward intent). None of the overly angry users of this forum can presumably change that either way. What we can do is offer our opinions on one side or another on how actually balanced and fair it is to all players, which is something the developers are bound to look at and take into consideration if it gets enough activity.

My opinion is that I don’t give a kitten what any of you did in GW1 because it’s not something I have any cause to be impressed about in the here and now and more than I have cause to recognize someone’s achievements in any other random game. Nerd raging until the little veins stand out in your neck isn’t going to change my view on that and I’ll still mentally subtract X AP for HoM when I look at someone’s score. Maybe even just to spite you. Who knows! =)

Gotejjeken.1267:

Of course it is, just the fact you dodged the question proves how important it is. I am going to go with ‘no’, as no sane GW1 player would argue against rewards.

Whether I have played it or not is irrelevant to facts being provided and can only serve as a basis to assault me on the grounds of my personal character or experience rather than what I am saying. I have no time for your inane logical fallacies.

Gotejjeken.1267:

Also you are aware that GW2 is indeed a continuation of the first game? The hall of monuments was built so that your ancestors in GW1 would leave you something in GW2.

Please, give a link to this lore you speak of. Last time I checked, your GW2 character is a direct descendant of your GW1 character…thus the HoM. It is the same timeline, if you bothered paying attention to the game you are playing you would see that.

Just go to the Hall of Monuments and talk to the man standing in the pool. Or perhaps his dialogue is different if you have linked a GW1 account. I’ve seen no evidence of having direct descendants, and even if there were it does not change the objective fact that Guild Wars 2 is its own game and is not, logically, Guild Wars 1. B is not A. 2 is not 1.

Perhaps you have some profound and selective detachment from reality which prevents you from seeing this. I’m not really sure I care either way. If you think you’re going to change my mind by being condescending and insulting while demanding irrelevant information, you’re wasting your time and posts.

How else do you think we get stories such as the Zephyrites running around with pieces of Glint? According to you, Glint is in a different timeline and thus has no relevance to GW2.

Right.

Just accept that GW2 is a natural extension of GW1. Same map, same world, same lore.

Accept it because, what, you said so? If Guild Wars 2 were Guild Wars 1, it would be called Guild Wars 1. Perhaps with some fancy expansion title, if you so desire. B is not A, no matter how you try to rationalize. This is a fact you cannot change.

Now before you respond again, I suggest you ask yourself what you expect to accomplish with your post. If the answer you come to is “nothing”, then congratulations, you’ve reached the correct conclusion. Due to the manner in which you addressed me, I can now, without guilt, argue with you forever no matter what point you raise, for the sole purpose of causing you frustration for my own amusement. This is why you don’t take on a condescending tone.

Laivine.9308:

GW1 wiki: "The Hall of Monuments was introduced in Eye of the North to facilitate players transferring their accomplishments to Guild Wars 2 from their original Guild Wars account. "

We wouldn’t bother with HoM if it wasn’t for GW2. It was NOT something we would normally do in the game, as we now get AP by just playing. It was a massive endless grind of things you wouldn’t dare to even imagine!

Boo hoo. I played Phantasy Star Online for well over 15k hours. I dare imagine.

Fact is, that GW1 players worked their kitten off hard for their achievements and status in GW2 through HoM even before all the rest people learn the news of GW2 release! GW1 players have been working on achievements for GW2 since 2010! For us those games are connected! Accept it already!

Good for you for doing things in GW1? This is GW2. You already had rewards, now you’re defending yourself getting more. I wonder where it stops. Maybe next time you’ll get a free legendary. I bet you’ll defend that too, lol

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

Now who is stretching it? A different timeline? Sorry, not even close by any stretch of the imagination. GW2 is the same world and time line as GW1. The lore holds to this. The devs have said this. It’s a fact that your whining about is not going to change.

Aaand you’ve fallen back on the “whining” argument. Nice fail there. Sounds like someone is getting frustrated.

It is the same world, yes. But it’s set how many years in the future. Perhaps “timeline” was a bad choice of terminology. “Time frame” might have been more apt. Your characters are presumably long dead. Sorry about that. Well, not really. But if anything you should have gotten your rewards back on your GW1 account. Instead you desperately cling to this GW2 reward system. Perhaps you just need every advantage you can get because you aren’t dedicated enough to do it all in this game?

No one asked for the points, no one was making even a notice of them until the players who did not get them decided to act like spoiled brats.

Mmm, right alongside the self righteous users defending their points to the death, amusingly defiant in the face of the idea that anyone would dare suggest that they be measured by their achievements in GW2, not for two games combined. You care so little; you’re so far above this and yet here you are, prattling on and on at me as if you’re going to change my mind with your privileged attitude.

You know what, we got the points! we got 500 points more then you! you do not have them and there is nothing you can do about it except spend real world money, buy GW1 and play through it. You can complain and rant all you want, but those are the facts and they are not going to change because you have had your feelings hurt. The mods really need to lock this thread now as it serves no useful purpose, what’s done is done.

I know it’s scary that people have opinions opposing yours, but a mod locking a thread won’t make them go away. If you think that taunting me like a child is going to accomplish anything in that direction, you’re sorely mistaken. I’m happy with my three legendaries, multiple max geared characters, and extensive and enjoyable play experience, and spit in the face of your 500 points. Try harder.

LumAnth.5124:

INC angry mob….

Ha, I already predicted it and they’re here.

So, what you’re saying is GW1 is totally irrelevant to the development of GW2? Also, according to you, nobody else cares about GW1, past and present.

I guess that explains why Kamadan is full of players who particularly despise GW2

If you ask me, those who got 50/50 didn’t get what they should be rewarded. I mean a title [Champion of the Gods], that most people will probably ignore and complain that it’s blocking their screen.
Mind you, I do not have 50/50. Maximizing HoM is probably one of the most dedicated grinds in a game requiring almost a years worth (more or less) of pure dedication. Next to asian~esque gear grinds, even my 40/50 was incredibly grindy

Sounds like just more of the same rationalization in the face of the dissonance produced by the idea that you may not deserve rewards for a different game. Been there, heard that. If you care so much about GW1…go play it? Presumably if you enjoy it so much, you don’t need to wait around to be rewarded for it in GW2. Rewards upon rewards upon rewards…my god you people are greedy.

I wouldn’t mind seeing a solo option just because groups can be infinitely frustrating at times and I wouldn’t mind the ability to play alone from time to time.

This is what happens when you offer rewards for achievement points. People begin farming anything and everything to benefit from it. I’ve got a ton of AP myself but am really not a big fan of them electing to give things out for it because of stuff like this.

It does look a lot like that legendary’s aura. Sometimes it’s possible that auras don’t load correctly for others or even for the player in question. I’ve been asked why I’m glowing, or what the mist around me is, or what the ice on my arm is for, or all three without even being aware that they were turned on on my end, lol

If it’s not from a legendary, I’m not sure.

The clone sometimes happens with various tonics. Quite humorous. I’ve got a couple of screenshots of that myself, but didn’t know it happened with the petrify also, haha.

The aura is likely a legendary aura. Sometimes while standing in town I will stack multiple legendary auras on myself; people are frequently asking what they are. XD

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Navzar.2938:

This is actually true for each guild wars 1 campaign :p

Starcraft expansions are much the same, but are also marketed as such. Sequels are quite clear, I think. Players don’t get to bring their character along for the ride in GW2. I actually find it kind of funny that people choose to use lore as a defense, considering any connection between the player character and their original in GW1 is imaginary at best or extant in the form of a reserved name (which serves only to identify and would be yet another perk GW1 players received).

Anyway, I think devs did this because they wanted gw1 players to be able to take something with them. They originally planned an expansion, decided to make a new game instead because of limitations. Rather than being like, guess what everything you did now disappears, they let them earn something out of it, that was one of the big points they pushed while selling eye of the north.

I suppose the array of exclusive titles and skins weren’t already enough? It really doesn’t matter if everything the players did disappears – that’s what happens when you start playing a new game. I’ve learned to deal with it over the years playing Elder Scrolls. :p

Is it “fair”? Maybe not, but why does it matter so much? It isn’t competitive, and anet wanted to reward loyalty. Is it fair if an employee gets a raise or benefit for being with the company longer?

If they didn’t want to present it that way, they should probably not have such things as ranked leaderboards and rewards for the very thing they are presenting these players with on top of that which they already had. That’s what people are taking issue with, I think you’ll find. It’s never been my aim to be #1 on the leaderboards but I can certainly relate to those who watch their status drop quite a bit due to the sudden rise in points for this.

Safer Saviour.9685:

I’m torn on this issue.

As someone who has 50/50, I know the time and dedication needed to achieve that score is anything but insubstantial. I would argue thakittens more time consuming and crazed than anything currently present in GW2. There definitely needs to be a reward.

On the other hand, I have that extra mile: God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals. As my main is Canthan, I hardly use the GW2 title but actually obtaining it earned me an incredible sense of pride and satisfaction. I don’t feel I need to be rewarded further.

Besides, why are the new rewards Achievement Points? Oh, don’t mistake me, I like that I’ve suddenly jumped to 7600 but why not add more skins to the HoM? Or even tokens for already-existing limited time weapons like Fused, Scel and Jade? Why AP? I’m not sure…

This is kind of how I was thinking with regards to how they approached the issue. Instead of simply expanding on skins that were present in GW1 or something, they handed out a sizable chunk (in your case something like 7%) of AP, which places them in direct competition with players who didn’t get it, via the leaderboards. Very odd choice, but then Anet seems to have a history of making decisions like this.

Going to have a quote tree since it’s the most organized way to respond, I’m afraid.

Galtrix.7369:

This is exactly what you sound like when you complain about the achievement points that GW1 players get. You sound like a child. If you missed my point entirely, feel free to go back and read my short story again, because I quite like it.

Your story (and the attempted condescending insult contained therein by choosing to equate myself and a number of others with whining children) would hold water if the deeds in question here weren’t performed in two different games. You want to see the rewards of your labor for doing things in GW1? Play that game.

If it is your aim to assault my character further, I’ve no interest in discussing with you.

Gotejjeken.1267:

Did you play GW1?

It’s not really relevant whether I did or not.

Also you are aware that GW2 is indeed a continuation of the first game? The hall of monuments was built so that your ancestors in GW1 would leave you something in GW2.

Guild Wars 2 is a sequel and an entirely different gaming product than Guild Wars 1, sorry.

You personally may want to see it differently, but the reality is, the GW1 players deserve the upper hand here as not only did they pay monetarily, the lore dictates it also.

The “lore”, as I’ve pointed out in a previous post, clearly explains that your character in GW2 is in no way connected to the deeds done in the previous game and as such this is a highly desperate stretch of an argument at best. It’s a different timeline. In Morrowind I was the Nerevarine; do I get the “upper hand” as the Champion of Cyrodiil, and then again as the Dovahkiin?

As far as paying monetarily, I’m willing to bet that there are a number of players who have directly paid more in the gem store than some of those who got their points in GW1. As far as rewarding customer loyalty from the dollar, they’re certainly looking in an odd direction!

As far as I’m concerned, that is something that grinds me. When players of a previous game insist, through a string of bizarre rationale, that they deserve an innate advantage over others for something like this. It comes across as incredibly entitled and a bit arrogant.

What’s hilarious is that there are actually guardians over on those forums who believe that they need their HP buffed to match warriors’.

Players may not have demanded it, but they are defending it as if they did. It doesn’t invalidate what I’ve said either way.

As far as now vs. later, one still must consider that getting something sooner also allows the owner to thoroughly enjoy what they have over the duration. That is its own reward, I find. I got my first legendary back in November…the time up until this point would not have been as enjoyable without it, because I choose to enjoy things in the moment and appreciate the ones that have passed as well. This is good for me because not all of us may actually have years to do all of this in.

Fenrir.5493:

If we are going to approach things with this kind of view, then thief should not be invisible in stealth and rely on the enviorement to not be seen, stealth is a broken mechanic in its core, but some games made it kind of fair, while in gw2 is cheap.

+1

I’ve been saying this forever. Use the terrain.

I could make one, but I’m super busy playing with the Petrify from this Box o’ Fun right now. :x

Since learning to save it.

I love the lengths that people will go to in order to rationalize these points, even going so far as to insist that GW2 is somehow the same game due to the limitations of the first. Here’s a fact.

GW2 is a separate game. You paid a separate fee. It came on a separate disc and/or download. The title itself is different – this is not a GW1 expansion, it is an entirely new game. Indisputable. Unarguable. Guild Wars 1 is not Guild Wars 2. A is not B. Deeds done in Guild Wars 1 were not achieved in Guild Wars 2. Hell even the Hall of Monuments guy says this, for those of you who want to see a contradiction of their arguments using lore as an excuse.

You want a real analogy with the bicycle race? People performed some race that nobody else cares about several years ago and because of it are being given a head start in a totally different one at present day. Or to be more accurate, the new race was started, and participants of the first race were given an exclusive short cut past a part of the course. These people will defend to the death their god-given right to have that lead, rationalizing in any way possible to remove the cognitive dissonance that arises when someone dares suggest that their points aren’t pure to a game that they didn’t come from.

This all says to me that achievement points, outside of the rewards they offer, are now entirely arbitrary in value and so worthless to even compare. They could have changed the point value to anything and people would have defended it. Why 50 each? Why not 500? Or 5k? No matter how absurd it seems, there will always be some lunatic there to champion their advantage out of pure bias.

I’m sure someone will respond to me with a long, self righteous post full of counterpoints seen repeatedly in this thread, but I can agree with LHound. It really comes down to greed. It always comes down to “moremoremore” these days, doesn’t it? More points. More gold. More skins. Apparently the unique titles and skins that were already offered as HoM rewards weren’t enough to please people. They were clearly unable to enjoy the game on its own merits and want more. That strikes me as somewhat sad.

Vayne.8563:

Over the course of time 500 points in this game is really nothing. It seems like a lot, but it’s really not that much. The longer the game goes, the less it will mean. And I still don’t think they should count toward the leaderboards.

Whether they’re meaningful or not…that’s a matter on its own. For me it’s the principle of getting “achievement” points for deeds performed in another game.

I’m not sure if you’re trying to debate me, lol. I never gave my stance, just stated that talking in terms of “need” is rather pointless in a video game, overall.

I’m fine with the rewards. I think getting so many points for HoM achievements is stupid since it’s not rewarding players for deeds in GW2, but rather a completely different game, but that’s another matter entirely.

…an “in your face message” is what allows players to easily dodge our most powerful hits. Why would this be a good thing?

I always just complete them first thing. Haven’t missed one in ages.

I have an idea for warrior sustain. We can start by making our skills not telegraph so kittening badly that any enemy with half a brain has time to avoid and punish us just for using them. That would probably help us sustain ourselves in combat longer, comparatively.

Big or small, I just want moar skins. =)

Oh well. Warriors and guardians basically use greatswords like overglorified clubs anyway, so I suppose it makes sense. >_>

I say thee nay! I love the armored battlemage look.

Oh, what bothers me is how relentlessly ignorant people are. I’d say that replying multiple times is supposed to help pound reality in, but apparently it’s not working, lol

fellyn.5083:

If you didn’t want or can’t handle peoples input on your posts then maybe you shouldn’t post? You seem awfully worked up because some one told you this is a fantasy game and as such comparing items in it to things that are real is not valid.

You know, I’d actually deleted that post because I didn’t feel like stirring up more crap with people who apparently can’t comprehend something so simple as a comment regarding my very clear opinion on taste in hammers. All I gave was my personal taste.

Can you read at all? I’m serious. Did you actually comprehend a single word of the posts I’ve made? I never once said that hammers in this game ought to look a certain way for the sake of realism. I said, quite literally, “The hammers in this game are comically large and most just look silly. I’d rather have a realistic looking polehammer anyday.”

I know that this is a fantasy game. Almost 3k hours should make that painfully obvious to anyone.

What I’m electing to take offense to is that certain users are just relentlessly drilling in on something that was never even said, perhaps out of some misplace sense of intellectual superiority, for the sake of making an argument out of nothing. I never asked for input on my post – probably because I never put forth an actual argument for the sake of debate; I merely made a very plain comment and then gave a picture to a user to show him that the two handed version of a medieval weapon is in fact very similar to the single handed hammer.

Does any of that make sense? At all? This is exactly why people have a problem with these forums. All of this right here in this thread? Unbelievably ridiculous. People need social skills.

Oh, and for the record, my opinion on what Anet does with hammers in GW2? I don’t really care one way or another because I’m content with a couple of skins right now. If they add more later, I’d personally like to see them varied between different types of aesthetics, but I’m not going to lose any sleep over it. And yes, I’m more than happy with my magical Sunrise, animated Frostfang, and glowing eyes Howler. But I’m not going to complain if they add a couple of things giving a nod to real life historical counterparts.

Anyone have a problem with this?

Wow.

I’m not making an argument. All I said was that I personally enjoy the looks of some realistic polehammers. You want to rage and “debate” someone over nothing? Look elsewhere. I’m done here.