Guild Wars 2

my only reaction when i saw the new armor pieces on TP.

Is just incredible that after 2 years they didn’t implement this.

For real, why the kitten was not even since day 1?

i had the same problem . .

i was in love of traveler when i get them . . . but after the nerf . . . well i start looking for a good replace.

The main thing to me is to lose the 25% movement speed (the best thing you can get from runes IMO) and use a utility slot . . . but for my D/P build that constantly get might stacks strength is the way.

Sadly with the Nerf of Critical Damage, for pure power builds, runes of strength is the only way to compensate the lose.

By the way . . . if Anet nerf them i will quit this game xD . . . i’m really tired that they nerf every single thing THEY made (but warriors of course) and the runes are so kitten expensives.

Peace

Conditions in general are not bad . . .

The problem is Confusion and Burn . . . well also torment is a pain.

Confusion stacking damage is too high, same as burning . . .

This is why people complains about perplexity and engis in general.

Nerf confusion and burn damage and all will be fix.

I actually change traveler for strenght (very expensive change).

I miss a lot the sloth i lose but the damage worth it.

You know since i’m always with might, it works for me.

Dee Jay.2460:

Welcome to Condition Wars 2. You would have really enjoyed your time with Perplexity Runes 1.0.

The days of active combat have been gone for a while now, but this patch was the nail in the coffin. Join the condition bunkers with their passive, no risk/high reward game-play or gtfo.

much this . . . .

This is the result of people than methodically created topics to nerf thieves every week for several months with the only reason that they do not know how to play this game.

Anet listen to them now, and the profession is in the floor.

The funny thing is that is always the same people that complains about thieves (no more than 5) and anet still listen to this.

Like S/D removing only 1 boon . . . LOL now perma boons with stacks of 20 might everywhere.

Cufufalating.8479:

While I do think there are some issues with thieves, they do attract a lot of unnessesary hate.

Its to be expected though.. because they (along with mesmers) are essentially designed to be the most annoying and slippery class, as well as being designed to be excellent at duelling. Duelling classes / builds will always recieve over-the-top complaints because when people lose a duel they can only blame 2 things; themselves or their opponent. So, naturally, most people blame their opponents OP build / class rather than admitting to themselves that they either built an inadequite build or played worse than their opponent.

Really man thanks for people like you that are really objective even with a profession that is really hard to play against a thief.

You said the main important thing, mesmer, thief and IMO engis are the most anoying classes due to their mechanics, but far from being OP.

amen bro . . . less QQ more learning and less trolling.

Roe.3679:

This makes me picture a philosophical raptor meme asking: if all the classes are OP, is that balance?

HAHAHAHA good one.

Draknar.5748:

Have you guys ever seen a really good stealth thief in WvW? No joke 20+ people can’t kill this guy.

Now, he’s not killing anyone himself, but it’s pretty ridiculous to watch him bounce around and constantly invis while dozens of people scramble around. Pretty impressive actually.

hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahaaha

yeah because the most important thing in WvW is to use 20 people to kill 1 single thief.

hahahahahahhahahahaha

and i wonder why this forums is worst every day.

Exactly . . . you know thief is always trolled in the forum because is the best profession to kill noobs fast.

I have never seen a single post of a pro player saying that thieves are OP . . . if there is please give me the link, probably we could see real good arguments for once.

Get use to my friend, and unfortunately is the same people that creates the same hate thief topics.

Anet will never change drastically the mechanic because they have of course real good players that test all for them and they know that this mechanic is not op.

I agree with you, is just toxic for this community to keep making the same threads, moderators should delete all the complain threads and create only one. but for real.

Kyon.9735 i never complain of anything, i like the balance of the game, is good not perfect.

I’m giving examples only, if you want to twist my words for your own purpose go ahead, i really don’t care.

Answers fors you:

1.- If is not all about zergs in WvW . . . then what i’m missing. Why would you need am astronaut in restaurant to serve food?

Zergs is the core of WvW, the only core to conquest the goal . . . castles and towers.

2.- There are a lot of good thieves in SPVP i follow them on streams and videos, but tell me if i’m wrong . . . a warrior, a guardian, a engi is MUST in any dream team . . . not many teams use thief anymore.

3.- hahahaha elitism . . . of course is what i’m saying since begging. This elitism exist because simple as that we will be never as good as a warrior or guardian in a party, and trust me i’m fine with that.

And come on man, don’t tell me that a stealth form a thief is a must in any dungeon, even necessary that would worth more than a mesmer with the cool teleport.

4.- This is the best one. HAHAHAHA man is what the thief community has been saying since day one. People see a video of 1 thief killing 3 upleveled people and they go crazy with OP STEALTH BROKEN MECHANIC!!

I came up with this because is one of the most used argument to declare that thieves are op.

For the last part. i repeat, i’m not complaining of the balance or calling other professions OP, the only think that really annoy me is the fact you have to create a topic every time you can not handle with a build, profession or meta 21415231315231516231623 times.

I have to fight severa, several fights against GOOD PU mesmers, Engis, and others good builds and warriors to increase my success in 1v1, because before i got killed by them very easily . . .

If you have the time to come here and just complain about this, use it better to learn how to play against a thief.

I invite you go to other sub forums and check how many complains are for other professions . . . a lot of QQ and not enough understanding.

Cogbyrn.7283:

SoLeciTO.3490:

Please just ask this question.

If stealth is terrible broken and the class is OP how then:

1.- Why people we see A LOT MORE owarrios and guardians than any class in WvW if thief is that good?

I stopped right here, because you’re distracting from the actual conversation at hand: the design behind Stealth and Backstab. We aren’t talking about Guardian/Warrior hammer trains right now.

This is the kind of response that tries to defend the design that makes no sense and works against any sort of actual discussion. Unfortunately, it seems to be all too common.

If conditions are so good, why do we see Warrior/Guard power trains in WvW? Must mean that conditions are no good across any game type and are well-designed. QED.

(That isn’t how a real discussion works).

Thanks you said exactly what i tried to say but my English is bad.

With this is mind . . . how a roaming thief that is only good against 1v1 and bad players can decide which server wins in a WvW match??

So you are telling us that a profession that is good to X, but that X does not affect the real goal of the game mode (WvW) is OP?

(That isn’t how a real discussion works)

by the way look at this new thread . . . this is a healthy talk for a person asking for advices instead of yelling OP STEALTH BROKEN NERF!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Engineers-how-do-i-make-them-go-pop

Trust me man i do this with the best intentions because it seems you are not trolling.

Please just ask this question.

If stealth is terrible broken and the class is OP how then:

1.- Why people we see A LOT MORE owarrios and guardians than any class in WvW if thief is that good?

2.- Why a thief in SPVP since a long time is not even one of the top 5 profession to select in a professional match?

3.- Why thief is one of the most rejected professions with rangers at moment of creating a party for example to fractals.

4.- Why Every single profession when played by a good player and meta build can defeat a thief very easily, and they have say and made videos of that, look for 1v1 duels of top players in youtube with different professions.

The true is . . . people that keep complaining for thieves (always the same people like you my friend) is that they are very angry because they want to go full glass canon in WvW and kill everything they want.

Why i’m so sure, because i have teach myself a lot of people that use to complain about the same in this forum, and they finally understood that it was at the end a L2P issue.

Is like engineers and warriors, to me are kitten OP, but i do not come here and cry every time i got kill by them.

Some profession will and must be good to kill another specific professions . . . this is why you will never see a decent engi complaining for thieves.

Stop creating this threads, ANET knows that stealth is not broken or OP… that’s why they haven’t change the mechanic . . .

Do not confuse a mechanic to annoying that to be OP.

Do you think is fun to us that a warrior constantly stuns us?
Do you think is fun that a pu mesmer disappears 70% of the fight and still they are able to hit with phantoms?
Do you think is fun that is almost impossible to us to kill a spam engi running like a rabbit?

Stop crying man several people already told you is a L2P issue, start asking yourself why is that.

RedSpectrum.1975 probably most of the thing you say are true, but consider this . . .

Is not probably the best to have this differences?

For example, i really really hate engis . . . waaaaaaaaaaaaay to OP.

But is cool because probably to another professions engis are not that hard due to the nature of their profession.

IMO the balance of this game is not that bad . . . most people just complain about everything because they want their profession to easily kill all.

Fortus.6175 as i see for your record in the forum, you really hate thieves.

It seems you use more the forum to complain about thieves than actually playing and learning mechanics.

I have also several screen shots of kill shot with a lot more than 13k in a cool range use.
I have also videos on youtube of elementalist 1 shooting people with the cool combo.
I hgave also videos of PU mesmer laughing of 4 people triying to kill something they don’t see plus 5 clones hitting them constantly.
I have also videos of warriors with . . . well a lot of warrios.

The problem as i can see it, is that you haven’t learn the simple mechanics of a thief in this years.

Why i say that, because dueling in the wind mill in wvw and playing SPVP i have found professions like guardians, kitten engis (hate them), and well of course warriors, that a thief can not simple kill when well played.

I will not tell you that i’m a pro thief, but i know every single build and rotation of my profession and i have almost 80% of my time in this game wasted on duels and roaming; with that said i can bet my account that almost every profession played on their maximum expression thieves are on bottom.

Trust me man . . . i don’t want to be rude when i say this . . but is a L2P issue.

yup pretty much . . .

also as a note . . . thieves are the worst, if you feel that u can not win a thief go to the water, i thing there is not a single profession that thieves can kill underwater (with a decent player).

Or probably i’m just bad underwater xD

Inspiring post . . . is refreshing to see this kind of beautiful post in the forums.

Beautiful perspective . . .
Beautiful writing . . .

This is an example of how a online game that is often criticized to steal peoples life actually makes it better.

Congratulations Anet team.

My full respect.

Sir Vincent III don’t you have issues with SB?

When i try to do like you explain i don’t do enough damage.

They do a lot more damage to me and i have to stop since i don’t have condi cleanse with SB.

Bombsaway.7198:

Engie is my main and thief is my secondary.

Engineers hate to be immobilized or crippled. Our condition clearing is too often tied to the healing turret. KILL IT. Stun breaking is another problem for an engineer.

Engies have lots and lots of abilities, but if you interrupt, stun, immobilize or otherwise hamper their ability to get them down quickly, the engineer is pretty easy to beat.

Couple of things I find thieves forget:
1. An engineer can stealth too. I see you stealth, wait a second and stealth too which screws up your backstab chance.
2. Bombs can have a large radius making kiting fun and attacking the engie w melee hard.
3. Engies have a LOT of blinds too which really screws up thieves at the wrong time.
4. Engineers can be almost anything and you often don’t know (because they run many of the same kits) till the fight starts. An engineer makes an excellent healer, physical damage dealer as well as condi spam.
5. Engineers are really good at getting invulnerability (short duration) for your big attacks if they time them right. (So juke them).

Your biggest fear should be the engineer’s bombs and ability to immobilize you.
Don’t go into SR except as a last result. The grenades will do you in.

The most important thing you can do to an engineer is stun them followed by immobilizing. Basilisk venom is very helpful as is shadow step!!!!

Nice man, thanks for your help!

I also find fighting engies very hard, i will consider all of this, seems very accurate!

The only strategy i could tell you is to have several gap closer skills and never stop presurre them

go home man you are drunk . . .

LOL this thief community . . .

Random evades . . . hell yes . . . he was fighting again’t multiple enemies, he has to evade when he feels is being targeted.

Coloxeus as always, good videos great skills . . . keep it like this.

mix of berserker, val, PVT

Try to get

Critical damage > 100%
Critical Chance 50%
Damage > 3300
Armor> 2500
Health > 15k

I have a little more of that stats and works perfectly, of course with foods.

Lukin.4061:

The “against duels” arguments are weak at best:
1. I don’t want effect spam somewhere where I can see it, because it frays my nerves : (
2. I don’t want people to challenge me, because pressing decline is hard.
3. Dueling creates toxic players, don’t let this game become toxic, because toxic, toxic…
4. There already is a possibility to duel, all you need is to spend actual money, buy a custom arena, go to arena, wait for someone to come, offer him a duel, find him on the map, hope no one else joins your server while you are dueling and interrupts it. If this system is perfect, I suggest doing something similar to lets say dungeons, or just mob grinding in general. Rent a mob with gems, find him on a map, hope noone steals the kill, kill him, get XP, rent it again in a couple of weeks, since he expired.

Exactly this . . . is just incredible.

How many times we have to objective explain that custom arenas do not have the necessary for dueling with WvW circumstances like food, gear, skill differences.

Trust me man, a lot of people ask for this all the time.

There are 2 main “problems” (very dumb IMO):

1.- PVE people that likes only kill mobs doens’t want to get any invitation for dueling, because they have to reject it and they will look coward.

Solution: Autodecline option

2.- Anet still say that they already have a duel system (or something alike) with the custom arenas.

Solution: Make Instances like this arenas where we can use our WvW equipment and foods.

I use to thing they do not want to implement duels because they sell for gems SPVP custom arenas, and they will lose money.

But trust me . . . they don’t get much profit for them since SPVP is very angry with this company and they don’t buy many of this custom arenas.

This are the conclusion in my personal opinion after seeing and discussing in some of the main threads of this issue.

Sorry for my bad English, i try my best.

Zach, that looks really nice!

Muy buen video, si usualmente hacer roaming con thieves me gustaria mucho unirme a su grupo!

Avisame si se puede y en que server estan.

Doggie.3184:

So yer interested in our thief nerfs? plz pick a table and tell uz whuat u’d liek from our delightful menu and we’ll have et delivered hto and fresh to ur tables.

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sminkiottone.6972:

Zacchary.6183:

Apparently alot of unskilled players are playing thief as well because players are starting to realize that Stealth > baddies.

also good player with spammable stealth vs good player without stealth always wins the one with stealth.

Made a mistake ? no problem, go stealth and try again untill you get it right.

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emmmm ok . . . . . so

Viking Jorun.5413:

I’m sick of Burnfall getting alt accounts.

hahahahahahah you made my day!

Saturn.6591:

urdriel.8496:

where i said that initiative need a counter?? what need a counter is stealth…….

There:

urdriel.8496:

what is really OP is no CD skills, and a initiative mechanic that let thieves spam skills.

And there:

urdriel.8496:

No, i said that the “possibility” to spam skills is a design flaw of game mechanic.

This is the first game where a mechanic doesnt have a counter, and one class is able to spam it, and this, is clearly a poor designed mechanic,

You’re welcome. And now excuse me; I need to facepalm really hard.

urdriel.8496 . . . . emmmmm let me get something . . .

The problem is and will be the same, no skill players get killed very bad by a X profession and come here and create QQ topics.

Not only thieves, they complain about everything . . .

WE WANT SAB NOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!

Correction my friend.

D/D has a lot of complains because of the damage it produces with the combo mug+cnd+bs.

Of course they nerfed but still people complains.

And the only complain i see for P/P was root spamming.

Every profession has complains and haters that constantly try to nerf them.

But the only real thing i hate and i’m tired is other thieves that constantly use the word cheesy.

Then if the word cheesy for you means high reward and low risk then:

1.- Shadow Refuge is cheesy.
2.- Shadow Step is cheesy.
3.- CnD is cheesy.
4.- Mug is cheesy.
5.- P/D is ultra cheesy (since almost all the cheesy stuff to work).
6.- Stealth Stomp is cheesy.
7.- S/P stunt spam is cheesy.

And i could go on and on and on . . . and only with this profession because others has a lot also.

Just play the game, let the others play the best way the can i lets stop the hate and making feel other people “noobs” just because they play the most useful and popular builds.

You know, some people, not many, plays only to have fun.

Is the same . . . my dear friend.

D/P is not cheesy, it is the best weapon set, every skill has a use.

Is harder to play D/D . . . yes just a bit harder. Actually sometimes is easier for example against mesmers or multiple enemies.

What i mean is that people must stop confusing good builds or sets with cheesy.

Is a no ending story in this forum . . . a guy come with a great build and every unskilled person start asking for nerf and making this forum a bad place to discuss real important things.

too much hate here.

I really don’t know why are too many thieves that thinks playing D/D makes them pro.

Let people to play whatever they want, if they choose to use the most effective build or strategy . . . whats wrong with that!?

If they BP+HS Stealth, people complain.
If they use Mug+CnD+BS Combo, people complain.
If they Evade with S/D, they complain.
If they Evade with bow, they Complain.
If they stunt you with S/P, they complain.
If they CnD on mobs, they Complain.

I play all sets of weapons, even conditions, and i find my self a lot more cheesy and coward to perma stealth on mobs with CnD that wasting my ini with BP+HS combo.

Every good build in this game will be called cheesy, and this will never stop, you should use your time improving the game play instead.

Hi AikijinX,

This is Payan, you show me how to play some time ago. i’m really happy that you still have the same sharing spirit. i must try this build!

Best regards my friend, this is what community needs instead of people crying all the time.

ok but . . . . . . . . . .

SoPP.7034:

If you /invite people to your group then can get hold of your name.

My favorite thing to do if people troll me while offline is to send them an in game mail saying ‘Forgot about this didn’t you genius’.

for the love of my mother . . . o_O

Shar.3402:

SoLeciTO.3490:

I saved mine for high rank levels and when i have some vacations to play!

glory boosters don’t affect rank level afaik XD

It used to, at least right?

I mean:

glory booster = + glory per game

to gain a rank lvl you need glory

Am i missing something?

I saved mine for high rank levels and when i have some vacations to play!

This is what i feel when i see our thief community.