Guild Wars 2

Strangest part is how you only got one drop….

Dear Anet, since writing this 11 days ago, I have submitted a ticket daily without a single response from your or a single piece of ‘support’ and I am still getting this problem on a daily basis at seemingly random times that can last for most of my gaming time.

Once again I cannot even contact other players in your MMO becuase your game keeps constantly giving me network error when I try to talk to someone. Can i please actually get some support on this instead of submitting tickets that get compltely ignored, not to mention there have been several new builds since the submission of my first ticket.

Pendragon.8735:

rhonyn.6810:

Static.9841:

Xavi.6591:

Right now, it looks like Yak’s might end up in T4. In any case, it is going to come down to the wire like last week’s very small difference between FA & Yak’s scores.

I’m actually more interested in what’s going on between YB and FA than I am my own server right now becuase it’s just so close! I love those nail-biting finishes!

TC dictates who finishes 2nd….it will be as close as they want to keep it.

Yup. Early in the week TC saw FA as the bigger threat, Yaks pulled out to a fair lead for 2nd. Then last few days TC shifted to YB, while FA held blue in their own map most of that time, suddenly FA has leaped into 2nd. Just look where the green dots are on the update maps.

It is why this tier has gotten kind of stale, unless you are happy just to find some good fights. Likely it will be the exact same dynamic next week when CD moves up.

YB has the tactics and organization for 3rd tier but manpower that belongs in the 4th tier. Unfortunately, the other t4 servers can’t match our discipline and we will likely roll them.

Not to sound like a blow-hard, but at this point, nobody is the bigger threat to TC, I can’t speak for the rest of the server, but a lot of the people I usually roll with have been concentrating in YBBL this week because as you say, it’s getting quite stale now and some of us are just out looking for skirmishes because the main is getting pretty boring – I think we can all agree that 3 weeks running of the same match up has really lost its charm, no disrespect to any of the 3 servers involved.

ykyk.2740:

Or we take our kitten handing in tier-2 and hope we learn something out of it

I’m pretty comfortable with this, I think we have a lot to learn to keep up with the higher tiers and even if they beat us back to T3, I think we have a few important lessons to learn before we’re ready.

Regrets of Sini.6083:

I always knew TC was a RP server, last night they decided to RP Stalingrad.

Hah! Usually they’re RPing “save the supply camp” with 400 pievces of siege!

Xavi.6591:

Right now, it looks like Yak’s might end up in T4. In any case, it is going to come down to the wire like last week’s very small difference between FA & Yak’s scores.

I’m actually more interested in what’s going on between YB and FA than I am my own server right now becuase it’s just so close! I love those nail-biting finishes!

Haldunius.7864:

I would imagine this is something that would excite TC.

Agreed. It’s been a while since we’ve really had our backs to the wall, it would be a wake up call for some and also make for some awesome, solid fighting.

Mada.5319:

What’s so bad about T4??? T4 has Maguuma and they’re the most fun server to play against. Who wouldn’t want to play against them? Maguuma <3

If you don’t care about positioning, absolutely nothing, but a lot of the FA players are talking about is playing to win, which when in the face of being busted down to another tier is a little skewed of that intention when their notion of second place is apparently meaningless – you can’t say you play to win when you’re quite happy to get thrown down a tier.

I wasn’t actually being sarcastic about it, he seems to think there’s an argument, if they’re content with T4 then I sincerely hope they enjoy it, I just can’t be bothered having a back and forth between someone who is too blinkered to make a response other than a knee-jerk one.

It’s not over yet, maybe they’ll pull it back, but there’s seriously way too much hostility going on lately for little reason here.

Cogbyrn.7283:

@Static: You’re mistaking pride for a competitive spirit. If it’s going to be a competition, I’m going to try to win. Even if it’s friendly. That’s how a competitive spirit works. Pride has nothing to do with it, because I can still have fun win or lose. The attempt is more important to me than the outcome..

That’s not competitve spirit, that’s driving an obsession and taking a huge hit because of it. Your ‘competitive spirit’ is stopping you taking second place because apparently it’s either first or nothing which is not competetive, it’s stupid when you can be pushed down a tier. I’m not trying to be a jerk, but you guys have this all wrong.

Either way, I hope you guys get it sorted, you’ve been solid in the first two weeks.

There’s a lot of excuses here, a lot of grumbling and complaining -still- about teaming up with one server or the other. I’ve spent the last week in YBBL killing Yaks, if there’s an alliance, they must be mighty pissed at me and the other TCers fighting them, not to mention how they’re constantly on our supply camps.

There is far too much pride and bravado going on in this thread that you’re clutching for excuses instead of sucking up the result and trying to pull back where you can. There are a lot of very strange analogies going on to justify viewpoints – for example, 2nd place in a board game is meaningless. Sure, but we’re not playing a board game here where every time you play, it’s a level field where the win doesn’t matter, you can’t get pushed down a tier or go up a tier and face (potentially) harder opponents; it’s NOTHING like a board game.

FA, I absolutely understand why you wanted to roll out hard against us at the starting gun, nobody likes going after the technically weakest side for an easy win so to speak, but your pride has overtaken the notion of strategy and you’ve turned TC into your white whale and as such, YB has overtaken you. Second place here is not meangingless, wouldn’t you rather stay in the same tier than move down? Also, you have to realise, when you come rolling out hard after us, we’re going to send some serious force your way, don’t blame that on an alliance with YB, you’d shown yourselves as the bigger threat, don’t be surprised when we treat you as such and not concentrate too much on the little guy while we’re doing it.

I also agree with what Phantom said; when we pull out a big lead, we just get very lazy and very sloppy, people become arrogant and complacent when they think they don’t have to fight for anything and our defence just goes completely down the toilet. Conversely, when we have 1 tower left in EB or just the keep, that’s when we start stepping up a gear.

SteepledHat.1345:

Nah, I’m alone. Just saying.

I can vouch for this for the most part. I’m usually solo capping the same objectives on my thief and I’ve run into you and you’ve run into me a couple times on a supply camp, but there’s never usually a group around, if it’s not solo, it’s usually me and you and even that’s quite rare.

In the last week or so, I’ve been having huge problems communicating with anyone in game. When I log in, my entire friends list shows as entirely unknown. I cannot whisper them, join them or basically do anything without getting ‘Network Error’ and then the usual jargon about firewall etc.

This also carries over to not being able to talk in say, answer any shouts and it’s had strange glitches when I’m in a party it will show me actually not in a party at all despite being in a dungeon, I also cannot talk in party chat. It will sometimes clear up for about 20 minutes, then I’m straight back to complete blackout and unable to talk to anyone and constantly get network error.

I’ve filed a bug report each time, nothing happens and I have had no response despite the problem being continuous and considerably frustrating especially when in WvW or PvP. What’s going on?

OmegaAlpha.9086:

Haha, no that wasn’t me.

My Asura is bald, kind of gray skin color and has the helm showing. Wearing rampage’s armor for looks.

Then I have yet to meet you sir!

Utterly epic epic night in FABL tonight, not only did we as 2 thieves stop any YB leaving their zone area for 20 minutes whilst we were hanging around the tower, but we then decided to stop for a chat with 2 more thieves before proceeding to roll over to BB which was being heavily sieged by YB, don’t worry FA, we killed all the YB… oh right, we also killed you and cleared the place out for anyone else to arrive before stealing it… 4 of us. Epic.

Sol.4317:

i’ll tell you when we first discovered those at Rogues we knew there was gonna be a mess. too bad you guys had the wrong people on em. I was on the oil pot and man the numbers that came up

You deserved every one of those kills, Golem armor does not protect the stupid.

Subtle.4596:

wait.. what? that was 40 golems you dropped on that gate? serious? LOL you guys are insane.

Yeah…. someone even piped up in /team that “well 3 survived!”, like any part of that assault was a good thing. I’m amazed they didn’t get completely rolled over long before, they were sat in RQ for the longest time because certain people were being precious about moving them which caused half the map to have to turn up any time RQ was under attack. A lot of really stupid stuff happening tonight on EB.

Subtle.4596:

Sooo.. Umm.. about those 15 golems you just ran into the oil on south SM. How did that work out for you?

It was 37, some of us on TC also think it was some of the most remedial play we’ve seen in a while, not to mention how dumb people were for completely ignoring the oil. In fact, two of us went to purposely watch it after a lot of our warnings fell on deaf ears; we watched it to see it fail hard.

This was the brainchild of our weekend RP Guild who don’t generally have the best of ideas, this would also includes 20 pieces of siege inc 6 flame rams at RQ because apparently it’s the most hilarious thing in the world. Frankly, if I were FA or YB, I’d leave that kitten there and teach people a lesson about siege caps.

OmegaAlpha.9086:

I’m on the FA server, an Asura d/d ele by the way.

Also, if anyone wants to duel me, 1v2, whisper me. I can always use the practice.

Are you the GODS d/d Asura ele with the affro? If so, kitten you chicken out HARD bro, killed you twice to zero, but lol you run away so much.

Rieselle.5079:

Maybe the guilds on the tier 1/2 servers can make some videos showing the sort of WvW gameplay they see there.

With some commentary and editing, it would be entertaining and instructive to see what WvW is like when a server plays it “properly”.

Which is even more amusing considering top tiers are considered the zergiest servers (JQ?) No offence meant, just saying really. You get it everywhere.

Zergs don’t need to die, that’s like saying that open field battles never happened and two zergs clashing is a good way to replicate that along with the chaos that comes with it. That said, I have a preference for being out of the zerg and moving either solo or in small groups for other objectives or stealth capping towers, there needs to be more introduced to either help smaller groups or make it tougher on large group zergs – seriously, is there really any point upgrading caravan guards, supply guards, veterans etc when the zerg can just steamroll them like an after thought?

I want to see things like siege towers and removal of siege AoE cap – only hitting 5 people? where’s the fear in that?

Nut.4713:

Ya think? Was maybe 30 and that was everyone on the map.

I guess from the perspective of the few of us that were fighting you on the other side of the wall yeah, we were sandwiched between you and FA at the time and we had people split between. No offence meant, but I think reflective of what you said of the group, FA were the bigger threat in the courtyard simply because they were more organised.

Nut.4713:

mechadude.2561:

Fantastic fight in Stonemist tonight. TC defending against both FA and YB it was a blast, and went on for multiple hours! Good job to all 3 servers, this match up has been great so far.

Meh, we pretty much had to call it off when outmanned popped up. That was no more than 10 min. after north outer fell. Of course pubs being pubs, I’m sure you still saw a lot of people milling around. Wasn’t a serious attack. Was disappointed we couldn’t assault SM, was hoping for another siege like the one last night, but such is the life of the out numbered server.

Edit: We may give another go at it tonight. We’ll see.

You sure had a lot of people in there after the 10 minute mark, there was little organisation though

kanikani.2430:

I agree, I am typically preoccupied in WvW and I do not take great offense to it really and don’t pay much attention to emotes in general to be honest, be it good or bad. And just because someone didn’t bow or salute doesn’t mean they didn’t appreciate the skill or fight or whatever. I have seen plenty of good sports on ever server we have played. I was just saying.

Oh please don’t take my comment as being negative at what you said in any way, I was just suggesting that if you’re one of the people like me, who WP pretty much right after death, you won’t see the other player make an emote. I’ve noticed some people will stick around, but as soon as you run up to them, they’ll WP, perhaps thinking you’re about to pull some kitteny move that they have no time for.

kanikani.2430:

Kalemar.4873:

All servers are doing the emote laughs.

Have been seeing a lot of this during this week as well. To be honest I never emote I have better things to do then that. Time spent emoting/trolling is time spent not doing something else.

I would also like to say I have never…never experience a graceful player, bow or salute to me, even in very good fights. Good for you who do it, but have been playing since beta and has never happened once for me so it is very rare and certainly not common on any server.

I killed one of your Asuran Thieves (someone from PRO) outside of moles a couple days ago, I wanted to salute him, but he WP’d immediately, maybe that’s why you don’t see it? Some people just don’t wait around, I don’t.

Boom.9304:

Bedinar.1754:

What happened TC? I remember liking fighting against you guys because almost after every fight someone would do a /salute or /bow. It was cool. I thought you guys were cool because you won, but didn’t try to throw it in your opponents face. Now all you do is /laugh. I haven’t seen one person do anything else. I REALLY admired your server, and started following your example and tried to show my respect to those I beat. Was it only because you guys were beating us so badly last time?

(yeah I know a few don’t represent your whole server, but the same could have been said about the good stuff. A few (quite a few) gave me a really good impression of your server. Now a few (quite a few) are erasing it).

The vast majority of our server would be embarrassed by this and actively discourage it. We don’t even support spawn camping or even getting all too near it (even when capping a keep) so for the few that’ve given you the wrong impression, it is what it is. Don’t lose faith. I’ve seen a large number of devious FA and poor sports, myself, but every server has their bad apples. No real need to lament here as we all know they exist.

^This.

When I have a good fight with 1 or more people, I like to salute then move on, it’s pretty poor behaviour to dance or laugh. What makes me laugh the most is when I’ll fight 5 people, kill 4 and the last one manages to down me and then will laugh, brother, I’m the one laughing because it took that many of you to bring me down! Game on XD

Bedinar, a lot of FA guys alt+F4 on me, but I’m not allowing it to taint my view of FA as a whole, you shouldn’t let the poor behaviour of the few spoil your view of the rest of us, I’ve been enjoying fighting you guys.

Equinox.4195:

Please keep this thread clean and civil. We don’t want it ended prematurely like last week, do we?

You’re right on that, I’ll leave it out of this thread.

AngelShepard.7453:

It’s funny you mention that because you’re rarely on when I am and when you are, you’re nothing but negative. I am a night time Commander and I don’t run with an Icon. I have been Commanding for over 3 months and can take credit for more then most that do run with an Icon. It’s incredible how gullible people are when it comes to the internet. One person says one thing, another person believes it to be true, and then it circulates because people don’t think for themselves. It’s fine if you want to believe lots of people won’t follow me – I don’t need them. I do just fine in EB when it comes to rallying people and getting things done. Had you played with me in EB you would know I am always the first person in considering I am a leader. I don’t stand on the sidelines unless I don’t feel like leading, or people are too far into themselves that they care not for the server, but their own personal gains. Last time I checked, I think for myself and Nyari handles the Defensive approach for EB, as I handle the Offensive. Before you try to pull another move like a “Random” Commander on Yak’s Bend – be sure to get your facts straight. I’ll let my actions in-game do the talking, rather than continue on the Forums like most opinionated people seem to do. ^.^…Oh and By the way – the message from above coming from a person who accuses someone of using a exploit and cheating by using a Mesmer portal(which is done throughout WvW and Guild Wars 2) should be the last person to talk. Have a great fight tonight guys!

I think you’ll find I’m one of the main people actually communicating numbers and whereabouts, not to mention taking back towers with commando groups, soloing camps and supply. If that’s negative then you’re hilarious.

I’m on VERY often when you are and most of what you say in team chat is a repeat of someone else. You are not a commander and you do not lead. As for Nyari, I had to point out to them on more than one occassion that there were enemies right next to them and their AFK buddies ‘defending’ the walls at SM who were all simply allowing them to destroy our own siege, had I not done something about it, they’d have happily took out the whole wall. You can talk and defend your end as much as you like, but you should perhaps pay attention to what your own are doing before you pretend you’re a main commander, you’re not. I think you’ll also find that Bluu is mostly in charge of defence and siege up until recently and did a kitten fine job of it.

You think I’m talking about what I read on the internet for your actions Chuck? I’ve watched you exploit your way into Anz with my OWN eyes, I also wasn’t the only one to see it happen, you’re kitten right I’m going to be negative about it when I see our own team pulling garbage denying they were ever there, in the same breath saying they didn’t deny it, then trying to palm it off as a mesmer portal. Really? You got reported last night by several people for it. I hope it’s all worth it.

AngelShepard.7453:

It’s interesting to see the opinions of others throughout this match-up. I’m glad to see people actually care what is going on this week and are willing to throw in their own strategies on who should do what and when. However, when it comes to Tarnished Coast there is a reason we are getting better and better. It’s not through organization or by brute force. It’s the mere fact that we can be considered predictable and surprise people by doing the exact opposite of what the opposing Commanders may think. As a main Commander on EB, I know that we have strong nomadic tendencies. We don’t stay anywhere longer than we should and keep moving despite the certain obstacles ahead. Tarnished Coast, or The Garnished Toast rather, has risen through the ranks due to out-of-the-box thinking. Of course people will claim that servers will make a truce with others, and some due. However, there is always an end-game to every motive we, as Commanders, have formed throughout the time online. Every fight is different, every scenario is circumstantial. Personally, this is probably the most fun in a match-up I have played and commanded in. Keep it up Toasters!

No offence, but who are you? I’ve never ONCE seen you in EB as a commander icon and I’m there on a daily basis for 90% of my gaming time, so you’re either a fake commander or you just lead your own group and call yourself one. Also, looking at your name, if you’re Lil Chuck Norris, I think you’ll find there are a great deal of people who would NEVER follow you because the actions of that person are becoming incredibly dubious, not to mention that person doesn’t command a kitten thing, repeats what others have said as if it’s their own thinking and follows the main commander and group every time, not to mention watching everyone else fight while they stand back in relative safety without contribution. That’s right Lil Chuck, people observe your actions.

UberLander.8326:

I can completely conferm the 2v1 =D but i refuse to stop. I’m going ot just have to man up and keep on goin!

This again? There is absolutely NO 2v1, I will murder YB as quickly as I will you, as will all of TC. Please cut this out.

Gnat.5124:

Yeah wasn’t my group, I was mostly in the keep… sometimes tried to get the pack cows back from the camp..was good fun

Good stuff, been having some great fights with your guys around Gol and RQ though

Regrets of Sini.6083:

Hardly ever I see FA aggressively defending supply camps or forts, preferring to let it fall and re-cap. I think this is a big mistake.

I don’t know man, you guys fought really hard over Durios last night, took TC a while to actually take it as well as a couple failed attempts by a fairly large group – not to mention the epic battle going on outside SE Stonemist. You guys also regularly take Gol and set up siege.

We have a decent response time depending on the objective, some towers/objectives we let fall because either our numbers are concentrated elsewhere or we have a different objective in mind (or because we simply don’t have the numbers at the time and are spread too thin). We also have fairly decent communication with those TC players who are usually on daily. We do suffer however, from headless chicken syndrome when some groups seem to not be able to function when there’s a blue icon on map, but the rest of us organise ourselves and do what we can.

LiuliRenai.3928:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G5-ERrK7OY

This thieve is just epic.

Unless I’m missing something that build has zero stun breakers and has to close into melee range to stealth. It’s ok for WvW where you can CnD mobs and eat +40% condition duration food, but a player with some knockbacks and/or immobilize that know what they’re doing wouldn’t have much trouble dealing with it.

You’d be amazed at how few people even try that, I’ve never had a problem C&Ding an enemy. There’s only a few smart people that will even try and use a knockback when the thief uses refuge, I seldom encounter any serious problems simply because people fail to react effectively.

Gnat.5124:

Some pretty intense fights yesterday evening eu time We were determined not to give you Golanta and I loved you all coming over the bridge TC – lots of loot bags for me using the arrow carts

One thing we need to do on FA, though, is to leave some defenders in the towers we take to upgrade and deploy siege – too manty times we take a tower only to have it retaken a few minutes later due to not doing the above .

A shout out to the very nice people on this server though, having a blast with you all

Tang Gluth (Asg)

Really? I’m not sure if it was your group, but yesterday during EU time I remember flanking Golanta while you (you as in FA, not you specifically!) and a few TCers were playing the ‘lure’ game, after you guys decided not to look behind the logs, I took down 5 of you thinking you were safe with the vets, after that, we took back Gol with ease and killed the ACs behind the shed. Maybe a different group – we lost Gol a few times yesterday.

Had some seriously intense fights so far this match up, it’s been a lot of fun. Also, TC, it’s not over yet, but I’m seriously proud of you guys for closing the gap and pulling out into the lead after being behind around 6k points.

Cook.9375:

I don’t usually reply to forum posts but as I unable to login due to these problems I have time to roll around the forums.

It is not really any different for kids or adults. In fact, in these situations, sometimes kids can control their own emotional outbursts better than adults and focus their attention on something else equally interesting.

I would suggest you don’t “try to enjoy” gaming. Either you enjoy it or you don’t. And if you are trying to enjoy something that clearly is frustrating, maybe you should be doing something else. Kids actually get this point very well, which is why kids tend to have more than one activity they enjoy.

Go away, have a cup of tea, try logging in later.

You’re absolutely right, becuase kids all work for a living and have such little free time right?

How about you go away, work on your condescending attitude and get some grasp on reality.

If you want to argue sementics, you can’t enjoy gaming when it’s a frustrating experience, or are you so far up your own rectum that you can’t figure that out for yourself?

Go away troll.

I don’t usually say this, in fact I’m usually against the whining, but all these problems, bugs and once again inability to login to a game I paid for is making me want to just forget GW2 and play something else.

I’m not a kid, I’m an adult and I don’t have time for this garbage in my leisure time when I’m trying to enjoy gaming, this is an experience in frustration and absolutely nothing gets done, nothing acknowledged until hours later.

Oh and infract me all you want, I’m quite sick of overzealous forum policing with feedback that’s negative, you guys need to be told and you need to listen instead of hiding behind mods who are too quick to issue warnings and infractions for absolutely nothing.

Same here, I thought we were meant to be past this stage, this is an absolute joke, I can’t even log in.

Here’s a suggestion Anet, if your servers cannot handle the volume of people, don’t be so money grubbing to suck people in with free-trials in a bid to have them buy your game when current players can’t even play.

Max Lexandre.6279:

You will only loose a few minutes of Hard Lag, FPS drops and Invisible Mobs/Npcs/Players.

My experience with the last 2 events was that. I will not care to go to one time events again.

What actually confused most of us was that Phase 2 was stated to start with ‘Take Back Lion’s Arch’ which a considerable number of us didn’t get to see or even know if it happened, it took 40 minutes for anything to even happen after the posted event start; then all of a sudden it was just go to the Island. How did we reclaim Lion’s Arch exactly? Our treb/Cata never even got built, at the point we all boarded the boat, it was still lying in ruins.

Southsun behaved a lot better than Phase 1 event, simply because I could actually see enemies this time, although because of the volume of players, enemies suffered from culling – I knew one was there because suddenly 12 people in front of me were downed, a couple seconds later it would appear much to player chagrin at a demise they couldn’t even see coming.

emanueldst.8049:

Ruufio.1496:

As a Necro I enjoy killing this noobiest of builds in the entire game by standing in their caltrops they drop and throwing 20 bleeds back on them.

wow they must really be noobs…..

This. I haven’t died to a necro yet, you guys are usually fodder.

Kaizer.7135:

With condition thief you just pop in and out of stealth at a distance spamming Attack 1 until they die…

Have you even played this build? You don’t “pop in and out of stealth at a distance” mainly because you can’t, unless C&D somehow works at range now and I’ve missed something, or are have you been ruining your build with stealth utilities? You also don’t “spam” anything, hitting stealth and spamming is instant death. Yeah, you should probably stick to Backstabbing by numbers…

DieQuex.4096:

P/D is condition build is by no means superior to the D/D backstab build, and the backstab build is also capable of taking out multiple opponents lol. The ability to take out multiple opponents is attributed to skill man, not the build.

I also agree with this. And saying “P/D is amazingly strong” (above) is a bit ridiculous, no it’s not, 2 weapon attacks make up its bread and butter, it’s the build and the player that makes it what it is.

NineOnine.4327:

Waffler.1257:

NineOnine.4327:

I’ve been playing wvw 4-5 days a week since launch on TC a few hours a day (mainly solo or small group roaming). Out of all the match’s CD has by far the highest alt-F4 players I’ve seen. Tonight i thought I’d keep a tally, in 3 hours 10 alt F4’s. I’d be lucky to see 10 all week against other servers. They complain about being out numbered on this thread from time to time yet thats exactly the way they slamed us a month or so ago when they were FOTM. No respect for CD. Yaks however is cool.

Alt-F4 just became popular recently, and you just started playing matches against CD recently, coincidence? No, logic is your friend. I know everyone likes to jump on the CD hate bandwagon, but I can make the exact same observation. TC and YB both have tons of people Alt-F4ing and I’ve never encountered this many in the past. Also, I’ve received plenty of dirty messages from both TC and YB while killing your folks in the JP, so the people who like to say that CD is the only one with rude players are just flat out wrong. I have never messaged anyone insults after they have killed me, and I’ve been CD since beta.

What i said is simple dude, here ill break it down for you, CD alt f4 far more often than Yaks. You don’t notice this because your on CD.

See, I don’t agree, I’ve had 1 CD alt F4 on me against YBs who seem to do it every other fight I encounter them in. I have absolutely no doubt our server has its fair share, being a sore loser and bad sportsman in your own character’s death is not confined to any single server.

LaMisT.1863:

If CD is so weak like you guys said and is always camping the jump puzzle in EB then why not just take their keep and they will not be able to return to the jump puzzle anymore.

Can we please all just stop talking about camping the puzzle? Nobody who takes WvWvW seriously really gives a kitten about the status of the puzzle.

Right, blatant cheating from a CD Ranger whose account name is The Darkness.2371, we found him firing his speargun at us and causing damage from under the ground in Molevekian Delve, he was also attempting to flip moles with complete impunity from below ground. Attached is an SS of him targeted through the ground whilst his speargun is firing which also shows his Guild tag – sort this guy out!

Furienify.5738:

Raincrow.1840:

I’ve never seen so much complaining over a jumping puzzle…..

Sunshine.3452:

Dude don’t go on about it.. it’s CD.. we gonna push them into T4 and we will be done whith those hypocrite whiners, also YES we focus you guys because we want you out of T3.

I mean… seriously??

Well, yes and no. We’re quite serious. We’re talking an organized, multi-guild effort to completely oppress Crystal Desert into the lower tiers. But this isn’t something drawn out of complaints. Just brutal pragmatism. Yak’s Bend has been nothing but courteous when we run jumping puzzles together. Crystal Desert is fielding guild groups to lock out our PvErs and folks looking to make Legendaries – one of our foremost backers, at least financially, in our WvW efforts. If they’re dissatisfied, we’re dissatisfied, and we act thusly, in the name of Buttered Justice.

Really? I’m a TCer and your reason is both pathetic and lame, nor have I ever heard any talk about “oh hai guyz, lets bump them down because of the puz!” and if that IS your reason, you guys should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves. Really? over a puzzle? People camping have gotten you that bent out of shape? It’s a freaking PvP area and the puzzle has player activated traps, what did you think was going to happen?

ykyk.2740:

Don’t bother, all he does is chest thump on the forums about how his guild destroys everyone they face and thanks us for the badges. Going by his picture you’ll swear CD were all god-like chosen warriors while the other servers are herds of mindless sheep spewing badges as they die.

Most of these posts have an element of that too, this isn’t supposed to just be to handshake both competition servers and be reserved about your own, it’s about enjoying moments in WvW as well which mostly seems to consist of people talking about killing the other side. Blowing hot air is really no big deal. Keep up the good fights all!

Big shoutout to the CD and YB guys for what was quite a lengthy amnesty in the EB JP, we had fun goofing around with you guys at the top, there was quite a lot of us from each side up there in the end.

Thieves don’t need to be fixed, making WvWvW capping points like sPvP is clearly the answer whereby a stealthed player cannot actually cap or hold anything.

Signal.9763:

Or just impliment a simple fix such as disallowing stealthed players from affecting the status of a capture ring.

I don’t understand why this isn’t in place considering that’s how it works in PvP.

CharliePrince.2071:

Phantom.8130:

CharliePrince.2071:

it doesn’t matter whatsoever

yes, actually, it does.

when 1 thief can stop 50+ people from capping an objective for 10minutes+

50+ people, and not one thought to use AoE, or lay down a bunch of traps? because, yes, that does stop the technique used to prevent caps.

it’s obvious you have no idea what you’re talking about to suggest nobody was aoeing or trying to bring the thief out of stealth

Bottom Line: i understand your desire to protect your class but it does not change the fact that Thieves right now break the game.

no other way to say it, it’s a legal hack. that’s how ridiculous thieves stealth is right now specially with the permastealthing going on

it’s simply gamebreaking

although fear not, the arenanet devs have all but ignored and turned a blind eye on wuvwuv

you know it, i know it, they will do nothing

so rest easy at night

this is the price we pay for not having a subscription

this is the best service arenanet weill ever give us

because we do not pay them a subscription fee, they simply do not have the employees, desire, people etc to actually fix their game

No I’m sorry, I’m absolutely calling shenanigans on this one. You’re telling me out of 50 people in a capping circle, not one single person could hit the thief? Not one AoE hit? Not one person could tab target at any point? That’s absolutely laughable.

That said, I play a thief, and the only thing I see is an issue, is the cap holding, I’ve done it myself and it’s pretty silly how easy it actually is when people don’t even bother trying to attack or look for you, but not so easy when they do. I would say a sensible fix would be to perhaps make it that one single person cannot hold a position from a group.

Seto.4917:

Static.9841:

Seto.4917:

All i want is to know wich is, in your opinion, the best way to equip my thief at level 80, to be competitive in WvW and helping my team much more than i do now.
Should i buy the WvW set? should i buy the berserk or what else?

I know that the set depends on my playstyle, but i don’t know wich playstyle is better for a thief in WvW.
I suppose that pure DmG won’t help much my team, maybe is better a condition or self healing build? or not?

OK well, this really is a question with no single answer. What play style will be better in WvW? Well, I’ve seen backstab thieves, shortbow thieves, I’m a P/D condition thief; they can all be helpful, it’s what you do with the thief that counts.

Are you going to stay with the zerg? Are you wanting to just travel with friends and hit smaller objectives? What are your aims in WvW?

If you’re soloing thief in WvW you can cap sentrys (as with any job) and also go solo supply camps.

I think we need a bit more information from you really.

as i say in my first post: “i know that there are not a “best” answer to my question, but all your opinion are important to me, cause i can learn much from people that know better than me the thief class on WvW.”

However, in WvW i stay with my guild. but not with the random zerg.
we’re from 10 to 20 people and we did all the things that are need to be done in WvW.
Defending Towers, camps and keeps, attacking towers camps and keeps.

Actually i’m asking wich is the best way to equip my thief to be competitive in WvW with the less cost of time-money and karma for the reason that i explain.

Thanks a lot
P.

OK, well, when I’m defending keeps, I’m usually firing at my enemy with a shortbow whilst also watching the ranks assaulting our keep/tower/whatever for an opportunity where I can switch to P/D, leap off the walls and cause a bit of chaos on the weaker flank and perhaps killing a few attackers in the process before I’ve properly been ‘made’ and swarmed; then I’ll stealth up and return to the defence and usually repeat that process.

Also if you’re assaulting positions with your guildmates, shortbow is good for attacking cannons/oil/siege etc and also shooting people up on the walls from range with AoE damage and poison for general harrassment. Keep an eye out for any enemy who might be trying to flank you, look for enemy running to the keep and destroy them.

You can also scout ahead of your group on an objective that they want to take, you can report back to them on potential enemy numbers, whether an area is clear etc. You can actually do quite a lot to help your team, these are just some basic examples so you can feel like you’re actually contributing instead of waiting around for everyone else to breach the door so you can fight the Lord etc.

God Sealer.4103:

It’s the stealth that’s broken, and 90% of that is ANets fault.

1) Play an Engineer so not a biased opinion.
2) The main issue I see people complaining about along with the damage is the rendering issues causing what appears to be a permanent stealth state.
3) Sub issues on the topic is that damage doesn’t break stealth and it removes all conditions.
Simple fix and I don’t understand why they are going to butcher thieves, everyone will be happy except the bad ones that are on your class right now as it’s the FotM after Guardian GS nerf.

Make damage break stealth, make the stealth heal roulette which condition it heals rather than all of them. Leave the damage alone. Someone wants to run around in Berserker’s gear and all offensive utilities/traits, they deserve to get dropped in 3 seconds, as they sure don’t complain when they are on the end that’s delivering the burst.
Edit: Oh yeah and fix the rendering issue.

I play a thief and I think you’re all being incredibly precious about your backstab builds that you’re looking for a different excuse. No other opponent that I have ever fought against or used can one-shot someone with a single press of the #1 attack, you also have the added bonus of not even being seen whilst you’re doing it, which makes 1v1 and 1vSmall groups a joke. Stealth is not the problem, the fact you can one-shot people is, imo, no class should be able to do that with a single #1 attack. And with good use of stealth, let’s not pretend that there’s a huge deal of risk involved either.

Seto.4917:

All i want is to know wich is, in your opinion, the best way to equip my thief at level 80, to be competitive in WvW and helping my team much more than i do now.
Should i buy the WvW set? should i buy the berserk or what else?

I know that the set depends on my playstyle, but i don’t know wich playstyle is better for a thief in WvW.
I suppose that pure DmG won’t help much my team, maybe is better a condition or self healing build? or not?

OK well, this really is a question with no single answer. What play style will be better in WvW? Well, I’ve seen backstab thieves, shortbow thieves, I’m a P/D condition thief; they can all be helpful, it’s what you do with the thief that counts.

Are you going to stay with the zerg? Are you wanting to just travel with friends and hit smaller objectives? What are your aims in WvW?

If you’re soloing thief in WvW you can cap sentrys (as with any job) and also go solo supply camps.

I think we need a bit more information from you really.

fade.8603:

possible hes standing in front of the door when he died

No, I didn’t kill him on the other side, I fought him on OUR side of the gate, he was moving around. I understand people want to look for a softer explanation first, but this was blatant cheating.

I don’t know who this guy is, but his guild tag was EsF, this is a screenshot I took of a CD mesmer in TC Borderlands at Sunnyhill, this guy literally just phased through our gate during the CD assault that is currently still happening.

Enkinan.1065:

This alt-F4 thing is getting out of hand quickly. Die with honor people.

Or just don’t come to a PvP environment. Honestly, I don’t understand the pride in your own character death, I’ve had some epic moments where groups have caught me off guard around SM and mowed me down, I WP straight away, run off the walls and exact revenge. It’s all part of the game.

I don’t think I’ve ever raged when I’ve been killed, sometimes I’m actually laughing about it – especially when you bump into the invisible rendering zerg and just watch your guy go from full health to 0 before the whole force is even showing on your screen. My favourite however, has to go to Mesmers, I don’t kow what it is, but that Moa spell just tickles me, even when it’s done to me, I’m just lolling over it, it’s like the ultimate touché!

Raincrow.1840:

Yak’s just playing for 2nd place at this point?

Unless they pull something out of the bag, I’m not sure they can make first, I doubt YB are settling for anything, they’re fighting pretty hard out there

glenyeo.6038:

2) However, after many battles, solo against groups of YB and CD, I think YB people tend to carry themselves better. They don’t gloat like CD players do which started to irritate me. I started to leave YB people alone and focus on CD players. Even in a 3-way fight, it has become a habit for me to kill off CD first. It is just that the players I’ve come across from CD don’t act honorably.

3) CD people need to stop spamming whispers when they get wiped… It is really annoying. Just because a thief clears the CD jp campers solo doesn’t mean you need to spam him for griefing a puzzle when you guys were clearly the ones… I had to fight off a mortar spamming the entrance…

Yeah, I’m with you on these. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but I haven’t once seen a YB person gloating/corpse dancing/whatever after they’ve killed someone, more and more I’m seeing it from CD players which makes me actively seek them over YB simply for bad behaviour; if I see you corpse dance on a guy, you’re next, just so I can ram that garbage back down your throat and frankly, it’s just absolutely priceless destroying some idiot too busy dancing to notice you right behind him.

What I seem to be experiencing a lot lately however, which was mentioned before, was rampant logging out before a kill is made; I’ve had no less than 11 YB log out when downed just over the course of the weekend. Now, I’m sure this comes from all 3 sides, so I don’t want to just point the finger at one side, I do however hope this gets raised so that Anet can do something about people just logging whilst in combat in PvP/WvW because that’s just poor sportsmanship no matter who executed it.

I do sometimes salute a dead enemy, this however, isn’t intended as griefing in any way, if you get a salute from a TC thief, it’s because I enjoyed the fight and I’m showing respect – I’m also far too lazy to click report and screw around with the account name just to whisper you! :p

Bustecap.9386:

Wowzers this weeks posts sure are entertaining. I’m thrilled everyone is so controversial on the EB JP as I had been fighting there for a large chunk of the weekend (got 600 kills toward my Ultimate Dominator achievement in that time believe it or not). I know most of you on here are complaining about camping or w/e of my CD server. However the puzzle is not some cheap source of blue prints and badges for some of you lazy legendary farmers. This puzzle is more like a Indiana Jones themed area that meets the TV show Wipeout, where you play Alien vs Predator. It is some of the most intense adrenaline pumping pvping you can get when your fighting and running through the jumps and traps being shot at you. Basically you not only have to know how to fight other players, but use the environment to your advantage (no I am not talking about camping up top the arena that is borring). This is where I can find out who can play their class to the potential instead of sitting in zergs of 30ppl. These people are far and few between so its a real treat to fight them. Anyways props the dozen or so people this weekend that were fun challenges (they got personal whispers from me for the most part they know who I am). To the rest that want to push and shove into the EB JP you can face the Carebear Crusaders [BEAR] in there again later tonight. (FYI, I’m the asura thief in TA armor if you wanna make me a target, and have some fun :P ).

yeah we’ve traded some kills Finally, someone who gets it. I personally am utterly sick of the whining over the JP, if people want to camp there, I really don’t care, I just get fed up of the crying in team chat over a completely non-strategic point, as if it’s the be all and end all for some people – if there was meant to be no PvP in there, they wouldn’t place player activated traps OR be in a PvP environment.

Side note: Leave the JP once in a while, your server needs the numbers on the field!

Are we able to report moderators? I got an infraction today after a guy on WvW forums decides to accuse our server of cheating and conspiracy theories, he calls out the entire server simply because his is losing. My response is that he’s being ingorant and I get the infraction and his post is still there, what the hell is this garbage? So you’re allowed to post inflamatory remarks aimed at an entire server population, but not an individual? what a joke.

Ahorisu.2703:

so i log on today for my daily dose of WVW and an hour into it… i took a look at the map

http://i.imgur.com/hM6y6.jpg

ok fine.. it must just had been a coincidence.
i mean how high are the chances that both YB & TC BL does not have either party presence except CD?

3 hours later..

http://i.imgur.com/2mOef.jpg

and that was basically the situation during the duration when i was in wvw.
seems like that long wot of TC approaching YB for an alliance hold waters since this didn’t happened at all over the weekend.

I will just leave these screens up instead of typing out a long wot.

cheers!

What the hell does this show? What you’re doing really badly and as a result you want to conjure up something to make an excuse for getting a pounding? Seriously, you guys want to just keep up this witch hunt regardless of both TC and YB saying you’re dead wrong. We’ve just been killing YB AND CD outside of freaking SM priot to CDs massive zerg attempting (and failing) to hold Golanta.

I don’t care about politeness any more for you sore losers, play a better game or get off the thread, it’s pathetic now.

Altie, thanks for being an opposing CD player with a clear view instead of a sore one.

Denim Samurai.2379:

Hey TC. Some of you seem like decent people. YB can’t put the numbers up anywhere so I’d love for us to work together to keep CD from camping the jumping puzzles but there seems to be plenty of you intent on being just as worthless as CD. We don’t have any chance of matching your numbers so help us keep these griefers down.

Heh, funny you say that, 2 of your YB guys came in and I helped them kill some CD that were camping and ambushing both sides, then they decided to turn on me, so I had to shoot them in the face. I was actually going to be cool too :/

CD, did you guys lose numbers? There’s definitely been a noticable difference in your presence from the last matchup we did with you guys and HoD. That said, I think we’ve either gained numbers, or in bandwagon style, because TC are doing well, people are actually coming out of the woodwork (who usually don’t if/when we’re losing), so we have bigger numbers in what was usually our dead time, meaning we can actually field smaller groups for capping camps and taking towers.

Our own organisation can go from completely tight to absolutely random depending on whether commanders are around or just enough decent people to motivate others into doing something productive instead of wondering the map aimlessly for kills and capping sentry mobs. We also have a couple of very well organised groups with dedicated objectives that run on a daily basis too – a lot of us actually don’t like the zerg mentality and seek to avoid the zerg altogether.

YB, you guys are doing well, the only couple things I would say are that you guys seem to break very easily in a large group (but keep coming back to give us another run!) and some of your guys don’t seem to have their heads in the game, I’ve killed several attackers outside of SM/keeps/towers because they’ve AFK’d whilst you’re all sieging – sort them out!

This has been a great match up so far, it’s also good to see a lot of the same people out there on the opposing teams (ie recognising Guild tags/characters etc).