Guild Wars 2

bhagwad.4281:

We all saw this coming miles away. I loved PvP, but there’s nothing in it for me now. Us PvP’ers chose to discard PvE in the hopes of being special in our own isolated world locked away from the legendaries etc of PvE. We thought it was a good deal because PvE’ers could never bring their stuff into the mists. We were betrayed. Now we have nothing, everyone is dragon and random people are bringing in their stuff from PvE.

I get nothing except a tiny bunch of rank up chests with champ loot bags that I could have farmed in Frostgorge in two hours. All our hard work is down the drain.

Can’t bring myself to play after this betrayal.

Moral of the story: Don’t play an MMO that tries to be “different” (aka no grind) because they just hand out stuff for free and don’t value the hard work that others have put in before.

Sometimes I wonder if I’m playing the same game. Who cares what skins PvE players are bringing into PvP. Get this straight, you are NOT a unique and special snowflake because you chose to play PvP, nor were we ever “in our own isolated world locked away” when you can enter the mists at the click of a button. Furthermore, we all knew that playing PvP we were the minority of players that make up the game, we all knew that players could get the same skins we gain in PvP a lot easier/quicker than we could by grinding the ranks, this is nothing new.

This sounds like you have too much envy over what skins players who chose to PvE have gained and you don’t – we chose to PvP, some of them chose to pursue legendaries.

All you seem to do is find something trite to QQ about. What hard work is down the drain from the unification of skins? You have the same skins PvPers had access to bar legendaries and certain forge weapons. Big deal. What else were we ever getting that made our/your/your cousins-sister’s-nephew’s-fathers-former-roomate’s hard work down the drain?

LOL betrayal, get a grip.

I’m more concerned about how I can no longer have separate sets of gear when transferring between PvE and PvP (including having to swap weapons around when entering PvP) than I am about my character not having shoulderpads. This is a massive oversight esp when in a queue for a tournament game. The homogenization between PvE and PvP gear is SO bad.

Stalwart from what I recall are also PvE rewards for completing personal story.

Seifer Thalaen.7869:

Rezz.8019:

This is my biggest and the only disappointment I’ve had in this game (counting both GW1 and GW2).

Having phoenix in gw1 (Got it after 4 years…….READ AGAIN ANET….4…kittenING…YEARS AND NOONE EVER COMPLAINED BOUT DAT) my only goal was to get it in gw2 too, and i was r69 (10k to 69 exactly) almost getting my beloved bird after thousands of tournaments and hours spent going through this crap pvp. And now every random nab around is spamming dragons everywhere…as i already wrote to grouch: Thank you anet, playing gw since gw1 beta….never wanted to leave (Even is pvp was totally hopeless) but you made me quit in just one patch after 9 years on gw…gratz. I just hope all of this game to sink down now bringing all your awesome ideas with it…and it’s coming..very soon.

Don’t you quit in every complaint thread you post in?

RoRo.8270:

People who made a lot of alts didn’t easily have access to this. You might not think sp aren’t the same as gold but they can be used to craft items that you can sell for gold

If gold drops as frequently as the SP scrolls did (I have a full stack of those things and 12 character), then I won’t complain. Sadly, it does not.

Pyriall.1683:

^ New players were confused…try saying that with a straight face. They’re trying to monetize pvp, but they’re going about it all wrong. When you have a client base telling you what they would pay for, you should just listen.

This, in an official statement they pretty much implied we’re all too stupid to work out a build if we’re given the same options that are available in PvE, it’ll just break our fragile little minds. Phew, thanks Anet.

Liewec.2896:

Pyriall.1683:

How much gold do you think you earn in pvp?

loads! remember we get a couple of mobs worth of loot for afew hours of work!

Yeah dude, we be rollin’ in that G-money!

RoRo.8270:

Not sure why everyone is surprised with the way they implemented the healing skills. I’ll be the first to let you know it only gets worse from here

You only had to spend SPs for this, not gold. Also, it unlocked that skill on both PvE and PvP, this has no relation to 10g for amulets.

Flytrap.8075:

Their official stance is that this is a form of horizontal progression and does not give players any meaningful advantage over other players.

I disagree, but what do I know.

That’s what they were saying about the traits but I didn’t even know about them charging for amulets until now. Why remove the only PvP native currency and then make us have to pay gold instead?

I hope the ammy part isn’t correct… traits, ok, but having to pay for amulets? They just straight went crazy.

lordkrall.7241:

Raven Bloodshield.5472:

10g… why is there even a cost? don’t get it

13×10g for all amulets and this is only for amulets, sigils?

Because we are earning gold in sPvP, and as such sPvP also needs things that takes away gold.

Why? Don’t you think that gold was meant to be given so that should we ever want to venture into PvE we actually have -some- money?

They take away the only PvP currency and now we have to pay with gold? How is this creating a level playing field in PvP any more? I have 12 character slots that I PvP with, I am in no way going to spend 120g if I want them to have new ammys, that’s absurd.

Pyriall.1683:

Myst.5783:

We have progress, the first step has been made.

http://youtu.be/semhQxLNHoU?t=34m43s

A new deathmatch map has been added, but it will be limited to custom arenas for the time being.

Which is terrible. The only in custom arenas part.

Yeah… this makes zero sense to me…

Phantom Master.9582:

I might actually do it, just refilled my fridge with budweiser yesturday.

You’re going to need a lot more than that…. also, call the hospital in advance.

Lux.7169:

What do you bet they don’t even have the dragon rank emote ready. That would be the icing on the cake for this update.

Wouldn’t it be amazing if it looked trash? Like how Bear and Tiger look in comparison to say Wolf?

The density of minds and self-entitlement is getting really disappointing considering all those threads about how top players deserved something for their time whilst trashing lower ranks, and now we have a thread where top teams think they deserve something whilst trashing lower rated teams. Cute.

I’m with Pyriall, the issue here is that none of this was stated from the start. If you’re going to run a tournament where the biggest draw you’re going to use in the PR machine is how anyone can join and anyone has a chance, then you kitten well shouldn’t edit this later because the top 8 teams have had a word with Blu and think they deserve a spot because “reasons” and then play the old switcharoo with the entry rules.

If it was stated from the start that 8 teams would be chosen, nobody would care and sure, if you were one of those people, you deserve it because it was a pre-requisite.
However, that was never stated, and thus you deserve no higher spot or guaranteed entry over anyone else and should take your chances like anyone else as per the original stated rules.

I think it’s hilariously stupid to be making comments on how anyone outside of the declared top 8 are going to be PvE’ers or WvW’ers thus making them a complete waste in certain people’s eyes – way to be utterly dismissive of anyone representing outside of the top 8 chosen group whilst simultaneously keeping the attitude toxic.

LOL brilliant! Bravo so, you made my dull day at work enjoyable with this video.

RedCobra.7693:

Static.9841:

RedCobra.7693:

Static.9841:

Taygus.4571:

Why should it take 6 months though?

because it does now?
dont you think the way it is now..its bit long and even unattainable for some people?

I wouldnt mind, if they added stat swapping to another type of gear … so legendaries are truly just horizontal progression SKINS.

but the way things are, they arent just fancy skins.
Also 6 months play time is arbituary number… for some people, thats 1 hour a week, for others it;s 8 hours a day… whats 6 months play time to you in hours?

They aren’t meant to be quickly attainable.

The fact that you can now change the stats on them is the ONLY extra bonus of having one save for it being a fancy skin, this should be kept exclusive for legendaries.

i personally think theyre too fast to obtain, and too easy, the fact that day in day out you here people compling that they deserve one is funny, somehow they think the legendaries is for everyone to get, nope wrong,

anet placed them in the game for hardcore gamers for an extreme goal, they planned on them taking over a year to create and never expected people to make them this fast, if anyhting i think the materials for a legendaries should be quadrupled and also get the addition of a skill gate

I couldn’t agree more, the only thing that disappoints me with them is that it’s an item that can be obtained by throwing money (ie gold) at the problem.

i think anet do regret not making them account bound on creation but its too late now i guess :C

Originally they were, then they decided to take that off and allow people to sell them which was a huge mistake in my opinion.

RedCobra.7693:

Static.9841:

Taygus.4571:

Why should it take 6 months though?

because it does now?
dont you think the way it is now..its bit long and even unattainable for some people?

I wouldnt mind, if they added stat swapping to another type of gear … so legendaries are truly just horizontal progression SKINS.

but the way things are, they arent just fancy skins.
Also 6 months play time is arbituary number… for some people, thats 1 hour a week, for others it;s 8 hours a day… whats 6 months play time to you in hours?

They aren’t meant to be quickly attainable.

The fact that you can now change the stats on them is the ONLY extra bonus of having one save for it being a fancy skin, this should be kept exclusive for legendaries.

i personally think theyre too fast to obtain, and too easy, the fact that day in day out you here people compling that they deserve one is funny, somehow they think the legendaries is for everyone to get, nope wrong,

anet placed them in the game for hardcore gamers for an extreme goal, they planned on them taking over a year to create and never expected people to make them this fast, if anyhting i think the materials for a legendaries should be quadrupled and also get the addition of a skill gate

I couldn’t agree more, the only thing that disappoints me with them is that it’s an item that can be obtained by throwing money (ie gold) at the problem.

I’m also with the no mounts camp. I find them completely unnecessary when there are so many WPs around, not to mention that we aren’t having to run through gargantuan maps to get anywhere.

I can understand the point of them in games where there are no ‘fast travel’ options or where it’s just generally slower to get around, but GW2 is certainly not the case and I believe mounts would take more away from the game than it would add to it.

Taygus.4571:

Why should it take 6 months though?

because it does now?
dont you think the way it is now..its bit long and even unattainable for some people?

I wouldnt mind, if they added stat swapping to another type of gear … so legendaries are truly just horizontal progression SKINS.

but the way things are, they arent just fancy skins.
Also 6 months play time is arbituary number… for some people, thats 1 hour a week, for others it;s 8 hours a day… whats 6 months play time to you in hours?

They aren’t meant to be quickly attainable.

The fact that you can now change the stats on them is the ONLY extra bonus of having one save for it being a fancy skin, this should be kept exclusive for legendaries.

tolunart.2095:

I didn’t say it would make things cheaper, I said it would damage the market. If they announced that next week’s patch would change the way precursors were obtained, crafting mats right now would be so high that the average player couldn’t finish levelling alts or crafting ascended gear for weeks. The entire reason why they haven’t done this is because it would damage the market, and the changes that are coming will already do that, they don’t want it to completely crash.

That’s why I stated what happened with ascended weapons, the mats skyrocketed for a few weeks then it normalised, I don’t see how this would be any different, especially when you couldn’t even sell ascended items. If players can’t be patient for a few weeks, then it’s on them.

Why would T6 mats affect levelling alts? You don’t need any whilst levelling them and it’s not exactly an expensive road to 80 considering at the most you only need greens.

The market requires both sides – buyers and sellers – to survive. When players cannot buy basic items like crafting mats, speculators sell to each other until they run out of money and whoever is left holding the overpriced mats loses everything. Remember the real estate bubble? People “flipped” houses to each other until families who actually wanted to buy a house to live in couldn’t find one they could afford, then the flippers ran out of people to flip to. Crash.

Do you not think players withholding precursors to artificially inflate the market isn’t damaging? Do you not think this is a player created issue?

There are other ways to get T6 mats than just buying on the TP – I made Incinerator from farming everything (I hate you grawl camp!) and Quip from blowing Laurels I didn’t need on T6 bags and farming (I hate you even more grawl camp!). How you obtain those mats is your own personal choice and how much patience you have/want to have.

tolunart.2095:

It’s not just the price itself, but the price relative the potential income of players. They have altered the balance of rewards several times since they first mentioned changing the way precursors were acquired, and are doing it again this month. Every time they change the economy it shifts everything, and throwing a change in precursors into the mix at the same time could crash the market.

I don’t disagree that reward increases can have an impact on the market, however, it’s not as if everyone is suddenly swimming in gold because of it. There really hasn’t been a lot to change the price of precursors in any positive way, nor has there been a reason for them to go so much higher because of any reward changes.

The only times I’ve ever seen them at a ‘reasonable’ price is when the game first started and also when the first ever Karka event came to a close when many precursors dropped and they flooded the market – eg I bought a Spark for 130g, it’s now around 800g.

Any change to the Legendary creation process, from changing the requirements for gifts, altering the drop rate of crafting materials, or changing the precursors, will cause at least as much upheaval as ascended crafting did, and probably much more. So they have to prepare for it very carefully or a lot of people are going to be very upset. Well, some people are going to be upset no matter what, but they need to minimize the damage.

The announcement of ascended weapons didn’t make anything cheaper, it made players anticipate the changes and increase the costs of materials and such on the TP, this was a negative impact created by players.

There are two kinds of people that would have a negative view on the change to requirements – those investing in precursors and overinflated the price and those who have already grinded out a legendary (or multiples, or even spent the vast amount of gold currently required for a precursor) and suddenly feel that their efforts are being trivialised and made easier.

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

nothing will happen to then you know why? they buy custom arena maps every month.

Nothing will happen to them any more than anything happened to SH farmers when they were able to AoE then drop to their doom to farm quick rank points.

Talonblaze.3175:

Aside from Mist Form and the Engi Elixer (which i also don’t agree with), the others still leave you vulnerable in taking damage in other ways/sources. Even with an ally, unless you can revive fast enough (which would have to be immediate), there is no stopping those 3 from occurring.

Not true, a warrior could use stability and Endure Pain, so can also stomp without any risk of damage besides conditions.

Lishtenbird.2814:

It can be countered by:

• moving yourself out of shadowstep position (vapor form, mesmer’s deception),
• your teammates killing/interrupting the finisher in another place,
• timing to interrupt them before/after they shadowstep,
• forcing them to use those skills before you get downed.

It can more easily be countered if you have a necro simply throw down a fear mark on the downed player, even using shadowstep, you won’t get that stomp, but anyone with invulnerable/mist form/stability will.

bran.4895:

What vendors do i buy the skins from?

As you’ve only just started PvP, you won’t be able to buy anything from the vendors because it will require Glory to buy any of the item chests which you will not be able to gain any more.

You will have to wait until after the 15th, then you’ll be able to apply any skins you have already gained in PvE onto PvP weapons and armor with transmutation charges.

I can do this, but the skill points won’t be free of charge!

Magnus Steelgrave.6580:

Keep in mind that they also said they wanted not to ruin the current precursor market so one can really assume that crafting them will be quite pricey

They seem to change their mind on this quite a bit. When they were originally talking about crafting precursors as an option it was partly based on the inflated prices of them on the TP, currently the TP prices are worse than they have ever been.

It would be quite cool to see a long-term reward track that awards a precursor, could even make it account bound.

Kazuto.2798:

Classes that can shadowstep stomp don’t have easy access to stability/invulnerability. If you want shadowstep stomps out, then remove stability stomps or invulnerability stomps. Which I think would be a stupid change if it were to come out.

Agreed. Ele’s can mistform stomp, Engi’s can Elixir stomp, stability stomps (as you’ve said).

IMO it’s not the way you can stomp people that’s stupid, it’s the downed mechanic itself. Also, If you’re 1v1, you’re not getting up from that downed state anyway and you’re just delaying the inevitable by seconds so it’s a moot point to complain about the way in which you are stomped.

This makes me wish I’d bought the Mad King set now….

Oh well Aviator time!

LootBag.8142:

Spamming Headshot must be really exhausting! Here, have some more cheeze to regain that lost energy…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umKuvv_d-4o

I think you need to pay attention to what build he’s using before making comments on abilities you think he’s spamming that he doesn’t actually have access to! You remind me of people in PvP who scream “OH MY GOD 222222 more” when I’m running P/D thief and people think I must have HS spammed them simply because I’m a thief and they died.

EDIT: LOL at the poor guard using Warband.

holodoc.5748:

Solstice.1097:

what you really need to worry about are warriors that have double endure pain, greatsword and sword, berserker stance, and stability. you cannot stop them from getting to point and they can get back to orb before you pick it up – but if you make them use CD’s running orb then they are vulnerable to kill when they get back to it.

As someone who mains a warrior I can say with great confidence that even with all my stances (Endure pain, Berserker’s stance etc.) I would never be able to solo an orb with four people attacking me. Not against four people.

You can, I’ve seen this happen many times, the problem isn’t with X or Y class, it’s that certain skills need to be unusable when carrying the orb, this is a huge oversight which allow certain classes a lot more flexibility and options when carrying the orb.

Liewec.2896:

Serdoc.7261:

I say let the casual PvE flood begin on April 15th, sounds like fun to me

PvEers coming in will be like lambs to the slaughter for pvpers,
and so they will all turn to the easiest builds they can find.
thus we will end up with a flood of hambows leading us in to an even more toxic meta.

Just because they do this doesn’t mean that they are going to play those meta builds very well.

:( I like having a different look in PvP to PvE, oh wells.

Does this mean that any gear you currently have equipped in PvP on all characters will simply disappear beyond being added to the wardrobe or will they become a set that you are carrying?

bhagwad.4281:

Static.9841:

bhagwad.4281:

Static.9841:

constant bashing of players below a certain set criteria

Citation please.

Look for yourself in similar threads, I’m not going to feed your laziness or ignorance.

However, you did tell me to just accept injustice. Know that not all of us make that choice.

Did I? Where? I pointed out that MY expectation was low for them to do anything considering how long it takes them to do anything in this game.

Yup. Sure. They already got their chests.

P.S. Just to make sure you know what you’re talking about, can you tell us your rank and the contents of the last rank up chest you received?

Irrelevant. I’m not going to perpetuate the garbage idea that person of X rank has no relevant opinion just because YOU decide it to be that way whilst touting your personal idea of injustice making it blatant hypocrisy.

The fact is I’ve never bashed anyone of any rank and I challenge you to give me even one instance of it. Your’e just grandstanding. Probably you got me mixed up with someone else and only now realized your mistake and are too embarrassed to admit it.

Static.9841:

I’m not going to perpetuate the garbage idea that person of X rank has no relevant opinion

Your words. Not mine. You gave the game away and made me realize that you don’t know what you’re talking about as soon as you said that r70’s had already received their rank up chests. This is not about a “relevant opinion”. It’s about ascertaining whether or not you are in any position to be an authority on what you’re talking about.

Oh how you children decide to raise the bar any time an opposing opinion comes your way, first it’s R55s, now it’s anyone under R70, seriously, you’re incredibly boring and contradictory. You say you don’t perpetuate the idea that you have to be a certain rank to have an opinion or know what they are talking about has to be X rank and yet, you just did.

I’ve been playing PvP since launch as have many friends, I’m well aware of the time investment and just like you Boy Wonder, I’m entitled to my opinion whether you deem it valid or not simply because you want to set your own prerequisites.

There’s no point arguing with you, you want to gloss over any valid point in an utterly childish way and maintain you are the keeper of justice. Hilarious and hypocritical.

bhagwad.4281:

Static.9841:

constant bashing of players below a certain set criteria

Citation please.

Look for yourself in similar threads, I’m not going to feed your laziness or ignorance, especially when you have posted in them. This seems to answer the question as to whether you even fully read threads you wish to contribute in at all.

However, you did tell me to just accept injustice. Know that not all of us make that choice.

Did I? Where? I pointed out that MY expectation was low for them to do anything considering how long it takes them to do anything in this game.

Yup. Sure. They already got their chests.

P.S. Just to make sure you know what you’re talking about, can you tell us your rank and the contents of the last rank up chest you received?

Irrelevant. I’m not going to perpetuate the garbage idea that person of X rank has no relevant opinion just because YOU decide it to be that way whilst touting your personal idea of injustice making it blatant hypocrisy.

It’s also cute how you snipped off the bottom of that quote, you don’t want to listen to anyone else, you want to sit there touting a false sense of injustice whilst not listening to anything else anyone has to say if their viewpoint differs from yours.

bhagwad.4281:

And gold. And a chance of precursors, oh and skill tomes also, thank you very much. That would be satisfactory.

For what? Most of you have had a very hard attitude to PvE so now you’d be satisfied with PvE rewards in PvP and this is somehow supposed to show that prestige you keep banging on about? I don’t think it’s me who isn’t seeing the bigger picture here.

I was unaware that this was a criteria to shoot for, or something to be praised.

Maybe I was wrong, you seem pretty good at avoiding any point that was given which followed that statement. You cry about injustice whilst seem to have no problem with the constant bashing of players below a certain set criteria – as was even said in this thread, are you even reading threads in their entirety or do you just home in on one post and simply follow that?

This is the first time I’m hearing of “other players being of no importance”. Citation please?

See above considering you’ve contributed in a lot of the threads that already contain this information.

I was unaware that Batman has a monopoly on standing up for what is right. Good to know you think that way. Just know that there are people who don’t have to be superheroes to rail against injustice.

I’ll get some nails for your cross.

Irrelevant. Wrong is wrong. I couldn’t care less about whether it’s the first time or the 100th time. I wasn’t aware that once you get used to being cheated you should just lie down and take it and not complain or raise your voice.

Raise your voice all you like, I don’t remember telling you to do otherwise, just be prepared to get a difference of opinion from those who may not agree with you, the door swings both ways.

I mentioned that I’m open to alternate theories. This is not just a “difference of opinion”. It’s a vehement opposition that is way beyond intellectual. I can understand anger on the part of those getting cheated out of their ranks and chests since…well, they’re getting cheated! But outrage on the part of those who have no stake? That calls for another explanation. There’s something else here…

If you have a better explanation than jealousy, I’m listening.

Clearly you’re not listening. No matter what is put to you, you want to overstate your idea of jealousy, you’re the equivalent of a child on the playground saying “La la la, I’m not listening to you”.

How are they getting cheated out of rank chests when they’ve already had them? They aren’t getting any less rank chests than someone who is being boosted after the 15th, if anything, those being boosted shouldn’t be given any additional chests for their free ranks because they haven’t earned those ranks in the same way.

Phantom Master.9582:

Reading this, I feel like if you’re digging in my toilet for a piece of crap I kitten from a meal 2 months ago, and using it to JUDGE my DIET. Had it ever occur to you that English was not my native language or that I wasn’t always sober when browsing the forums.

Not a bad analogy considering reading your posts is like trawling through sewage…. and considering you’re one of the people accusing others of “envy” and other equally preposterous viewpoints, I think you’re the one casting judgement without reason.

Oh of course, because I should now be factoring into forum posts as to whether the people commenting are sober, drunk, high or otherwise…..

Heres a situation, these players were playing for a prestige via earning huge amounts of rank points by investing very high amounts of time. Now immagine you in such position (replace rank points by something you’d like, for example a 3 months resort vacation). Now immagine investing around 6000hours playing GW2 for that resort, but at the end, you instead get a 2week vacation along with everyone who only invested 1000hours.

Don’t brush the situation off by saying its not the same thing, some people see lots of value in prestige that you don’t, theres no reason to argue if you close your eyes to stop yourself from understanding. I will no longer be sharing this childish arguing with you and I will no longer be replying to any of your posts.

Yeah… sorry, but no, not even remotely the same thing. When you come up with a rational argument rather than childish claims which you have brought, I may be more willing to listen, but it seems you want to try and bolster an argument with irrelevance.. Out of anyone, the only person who has made any kind of intelligible response so far has been Ostricheggs.

bhagwad.4281:

In this case, the rewards I “knew” I would be getting would be a higher rank than players who have played less. The reward for me is prestige and having a finisher that people who have played less than me don’t have.

It’s hard to argue that high ranked players are not being screwed out of their just reward no?

This is why I stated that it was the rank points they were being screwed out of, not some other kind of reward that some people seem to be thinking they are entitled to. Some have mentioned more chests because of the rank up changes going to be retroactive – is that really what everyone wants? A bunch of trash PvE gear? If so, I’ll happily send some people a whole bunch of greens if it’ll stop some of the outrageous attitudes.

This is also why I asked Ostricheggs what he thought would be fair compensation.

Personally I would want the “cause” to be supported on its merits – that of players getting screwed out of their time investment. It doesn’t matter whether people like those or hate those getting screwed. It’s a matter of principle. Even though I’m not (yet) personally affected by these rank changes since I’m just r53, I fight against injustice whenever I see it.

Then you’d make a very bad politician, you could have a ton of merits, but nobody is going to listen to you if you have an egregious attitude towards other players that you are deeming as low value or no importance – it’s not the few who will cast sway, it’s the many and subsequently, it’s the many who are being trashed whilst simultaneously being expected to agree with their cause.

Fight for injustice? Who do you think you are, Batman? Seriously. Injustice from someone who by their own admission farmed Skyhammer for rank points? Please, stow the whole playing the martyr act.

I fight because tomorrow I may be the victim and I would like others to rally around my cause based on the principle alone. This is not a legal thing. No one can take Anet to court over it. It’s just a wrong thing to do. What else is there to say?

Right or wrong, good or bad, welcome to the gaming industry. I’m not saying it’s right, but lets look back at the history of PvP and tell me when things have been rushed on to get done? We can’t even get balance let alone anything else.

As for jealousy, what other emotion can you attribute to people who oppose a change even when that change means nothing to them? What rational person is so set against something when they are in no way affected by it? How does r70s getting proper compensation take away anything from the other people? These are not the actions of purely rational people. There is obviously another irrational motive that I can only ascribe to jealousy. I would be willing to revise my theory if another better fitting motive is provided.

For some it may be jealousy indeed, but you cannot attribute that factor to every player who has a difference of opinion – one that they are in fact entitled to. Some players simply don’t care because it’s a video game and doesn’t affect their outside life and who play just for fun rather than getting worked up over something that in the grand scheme of your life isn’t really a big deal. Some have other factors, but you seem to want to pigeon hole anyone who disagrees as jealous just to feebly validate your own claims.

And as for what rewards I think are justified, at the very least r70 players should get one chest for each time they would have ranked up over 80. I mean, who can argue against the fairness of that?

If this is all they want, hell, give them some chests, who’d give a crap about that, but seriously, again, they just want some garbage chests with some mostly trash PvE gear in it?

bhagwad.4281:

This is not imaginary entitlement.

Anyone who has put in the number of hours r70 players have, is entitled. You sure as hell have every right to QQ and be kittened when you’re not given your due. Just imagine working for a company and then not getting your pay at the end.

And then when that employee comes to “QQ”, we’ll tell him he’s self entitled and just needs to “get a life”.

Sure.

Someone above here had it right. It’s plain jealousy. I’m not able to come up with some other explanation.

This is not a good comparison, you pay to play a game and you chose how much time to spend there, nobody is getting ‘pay’ beyond the rewards that they already knew they were going to be getting.

It’s also not about “getting a life” nor would I ever use that as a throw-away comment or I’d be a huge hypocrite.

What is there to be jealous of? Time spent? A reward they aren’t getting? I think you’ll find it’s ambivalence – maybe I’ve been playing video games a lot longer than you have, but with the way that I’ve seen games companies treat players, I’ve simply gotten used to it, call me jaded, but that’s just the way it is. Do you not think that with some R70s here that are trying to segregate themselves as if they are the true masters of PvP and are the only ones who deserve any kind of say or opinion is self-destructive to your own cause when you want people to agree with you and support that cause?

Ostricheggs.3742:

It’s because we are entitled to some kind of reward for playing this pile of crap for so kitten long. I don’t think you understand just how much true rank 70s have played this game without much of anything as a reward. To argue that we have been rewarded up until this point is quite hilarious.

Why are you? We all knew when we started PvP what the rewards were and how they compared to time spent in PvE and the gains we could have gotten from there, but we chose to PvP instead, I dare say because we all found it more enjoyable to play than PvE.

Don’t get it twisted, I know very well how long it has taken for R70, if anything, you’re being screwed out of your rank points, not any kind of reward for the chosen few. What exactly is it you would personally like to be compensated with, what is it you would think is fair?

Most rank 70s share your sentiment about PvP. I don’t think anyone who actually grinded out rank could have played as much as we have without going insane.

No doubt!

It’s hardly “a childish ultimatum stemmed from elitism”. I don’t believe rank is an indicator of skill at all. High rank is an indicator that we’ve stuck through this game without much attention or rewards since release. Then, after participating in the system that they created, not even because of rewards, we are being explicitly punished for it.

I’m not talking about elitism in terms of skill, but in terms of what rank you are, so many, as you can see, use R70 as if it’s a measure of their abilities and use it as a mask of superiority over anyone of lower rank as Seifer Thalaen and others have quite evidently displayed. That is the attitude that makes me not care.

Anyways, the rank changes are arguable in their benefit to even casual players. Handing out rank 80 like hotcakes isn’t good design when it’s been unattainable since release.

This I can agree with, whilst there have been many threads complaining about how unattainable Dragon is (until people got used to the fact that this was just the way it is going to be), it’s really silly to suddenly make it so easy/quickly attainable – I certainly agree with those who have stated that it has removed a long-term goal to aim for.

Seifer Thalaen.7869:

They obviously don’t have a clue on how much time you have to play in order to get r70…they’re all r50s dragons wannabes ofc (Don’t really know how they can possibly think their opinion is valid for anything anyway), come on they probably don’t even know that you have to actually win 300 tournaments to get ONE rank with NEW 1.5k rewards @70 lol…no need to waste time with ppl like those.

It’s ignorant attitudes like yours trashing anyone in the R50s and below and making the dumbest of assumptions that makes people not rally to your cause, you’re barely worthy of a response.

A single Hambow isn’t really a big issue, several of them on the same team working in unison spamming stunlocks and knockbacks, yeah that’s an entirely different matter…

Kincaidia.3192:

Heh, I think it would be fun. It would at least counter the dipkitten group of 5 thieves on TC that think laughing at you when you downed 2 of the 5 in a 1v5 makes sense.

Sadly this is just called a lack of class. I’m always bewildered when I see multiple people destroy a single enemy then start emoting over it, I mean really? You’re that bad that it takes so many to kill one guy and it’s cause for celebration? lol

Heh, on Foefire last night, I fell through the map shadowstepping near the waterfall by the raised ledge, at first it stuck me in the wall, I hit return and fell through the map.

It’s a difficult situation, a lot of people don’t even say a word before the game has even started, even when you do, you can set a plan and it’s never stuck to, people have their own ideas and seem to drift where they like. I’ve lost count of how many times people will leave points wide open.

People who soloQ and solo TeamQ don’t seem to be used to working in a team and don’t quite understand what it takes to work as a team leaving you with nothing but roamers.

Phantom Master.9582:

Static.9841:

Conversely, your post shows just how blinkered you are by your own sense of self-entitlement. Nice job.

What else other than envy causes an individual’s hatred towards the people who earned a superior amount of what the individual wants?

You quite frankly are aware how badly treated these players who’ve dedicated so much of their time to such a flawed game, but you simply brush it off without even giving such as a kitten about it. How childish can you be?

Where did I show this unbound amount of hatred I’m supposed to have? Do you think writing lots of whiney posts about “Oh we’re all going to quit because of this” as if you’re speaking for everyone is going to get anything other than dismissed when it has absolutely nothing constructive added with it? It’s a childish ultimatum stemmed from elitism in a game where there’s a larger playerbase outside of yourself.

How are they treated badly exactly? Are they abused on a regular basis and not fed by Anet and forced to go to bed early? No they’re not getting some kind of reward that they feel they are entitled to and they have to deal with rank changes that will benefit more than them. Grow up, the game isn’t about the individual, if you don’t like it, find another game.

Why should I care about the same 2-3 people crying on a forum and threatening to quit? Go ahead and quit it makes no odds to me, I’ll still play the game and enjoy fighting other players regardless of what my rank or banner may be.

Pyriall.5027:

You’re sick of hearing about it? It must mean that the company is doing something to constantly warrant these posts. Get outraged at them. Stop vilifying the victims!

lol victims? really? My God some of you are petty and self-entitled.

Maybe some of these people would get more support if they weren’t simultaneously trashing anyone at R55 and below.

Yeah, I’m so greedy I could care less about the changes, it’s not about the ranks or rewards, I just like fighting other players.

Conversely, your post shows just how blinkered you are by your own sense of self-entitlement. Nice job.

Seifer Thalaen.7869:

How to make old players with 2kk+ rpnts and thousands of hours plain thrown into trash all quit. Nice move anet…as usual

I’m kind of sick of reading this and being diplomatic about it. Just quit then.

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I get similar, shadowstep doesn’t seem to get me out of it and dodge is completely broken (ie doesn’t function at all), I’m rooted and the only thing that seems to work to get me out of it is withdraw.

It’s random, someone I know at R40ish got the runic blade which is basically the R70 pvp equivalent of an Infinite Light in PvE.

Initiative is a mechanic not a specialty. I feel like you’re arguing for the sake of it… Semantics, good contribution.

Fox Reeveheart.1890:

as per title. How unfair is it that you see an ally being downed and then suddenly the thief goes stealth and can literally just finish off without you being able to stop them?

A stomp doesn’t count as an attack because you’re not doing damage, the mechanic is different.

Mesmer can also finish in stealth. Ele can finish with mist form and be completely invulnerable to damage and CC which stops friendlies from even helping you if they’re not fast enough to raise, same with Engi and so on.

This is not a thief issue.

People are stupid and want to blame anything other than their own play for their death and the fact they couldn’t beat you. I run a P/D build and sometimes an S/D + SB build and I’ve still been called a HS spammer, how I can HS without a mainhand dagger is beyond me, but people want to cry because of frustration at their own death.

Carpboy.7145:

I didnt even get an option to get back in :’( after i got kicked he was sending me all these whispers like “wow you suck” and “get good, youre trash” to which i replied, “if im trash, and i killed you, what does that make you?” He blocked me soon after

Oh if I had a pound for every time this happened I’d be so rich! IF you die, you’re trash, if you kill them, you’re trash. It’s words from a bruised ego in a fragile little mind. There’s little point arguing as much as I sometimes think it’s funny to tell them “Yep, a scrub just killed you so what does that say about you?”, they’re never going to have a rational thought pop into their head at that point and have any kind of revelation to agree with you. Trash talk is trash talk.