Guild Wars 2

NinjaEd.3946:

they would have to seriously buff large scale boss’s hp bar or defences if this happened. 25 per person??? I want harder dragons and behemoth not easier.

Debuffs do not work like in WoW. It’s not possible to maintain 25 stacks with just one person. Go read up on it and come back.

I bought some karma boosters yesterday, started farming DEs, and after 45 mins my rewards started going lower and lower. I was eventually at just 19 karma and 9 copper per event. This completely wasted my boosters. Tried it again this morning and got the same problem after 25 mins, with another karma booster wasted.

Be warned, don’t buy karma boosters. Your Dynamic Event rewards will just fly down the hole.

Screenshot of rewards: http://imgur.com/0JYbd

Logged into Cursed Shore, tried to do some events, got slapped with the no-event-reward stick in 25 minutes yet again. I’m effectively forced to sit around doing nothing for half of my playtime in order to wait for the cap to subside. This royally sucks.

Wanko.8103:

Well, that’s about it. Dragon is a single mob and without limit damage will skyrocket.

No it won’t. If an enemy has 24 stacks of bleed and I apply a new bleed it will not refresh the duration of the previous 24 stacks. All it does is add a new bleed with its own separate damage and duration independent of any other bleed. Nothing more. There’s no skyrocketing damage whatsoever.

Bunnehboo.6025:

the clovers are for the gift of fortune :/ kinda demeans the gift if everything you needed was cheap and easy

Where do you people come from? Every time someone asks for a change to anything, you ALWAYS chime in with bullkitten about how they want to make it easier without even reading the OP.

The OP asked for the RNG to be removed, not the DIFFICULTY. Get out.

ChyldeMyst.5098:

I have to admit… I haven’t even noticed this. Granted, my highest-level character is only 31, because I’m levelling all 5 of my characters simultaneously and juggling a real life as a stay-at-home mom and college student at the same time. And I’ve only explored about 15% of the map, all totalled. But I really haven’t noticed any diminishing returns on my rampages of gory mayhem. I think perhaps those of you troubled by this simply rushed through your levels too quickly.

(EDIT FOR CLARIFICATION) I don’t know if my low levels or my incomplete exploration are responsible for me not noticing the diminishing returns. My remark is intended to the effect that those who are complaining about diminishing returns have rushed through the available content so quickly that gathering loot and raising funds are all they have left to do. I also don’t know if this is true, it’s just what I’m inferring.

If you’re just going around focusing on hearts you tend not to notice the problem since heart rewards aren’t penalized. If you focus on killing mobs or doing Dynamic events, you run into the problem quickly.

Crica.1503:

go play in another area when the code (if it even exists) kicks in for you…

this is not hard…

I’ll repeat it again, that simply does not work. The event cap doesn’t care where you are. It kicks in regardless of where you are or which events you complete.

Furthermore, you can hit the event cap in 25 minutes if you know what you’re doing.

Going to other zones has no effect on the dynamic event penalty. I’ve tried it several times, and completing events elsewhere exacerbates the penalty just as it would in the zone you started. The only way to reset it is to not do any events for 15-20 minutes.

I too would love very much to know why this was added and when it will be removed.

Kohler:
Kohler is easy once you read a guide, but stupidly annoying to figure out without one due to vague and inconsistent mechanics. He has an AoE pull which fires projectiles that aren’t actually projectiles, so if you thought Mimic or Feedback could protect you, you’ll die anyway. Great consistency. It’s also hard to notice that he’s even firing projectiles at all since they’re black on black, so it’s easy to assume that the attack is unavoidable. He also tends to pull you through walls somehow. On the plus side, his attack is actually telegraphed well, which is more than can be said for plenty of other attacks.

Spike Trap Room:
It seems like the devs intended for you to time the spike traps, but that’s idiotic. Not only is always the best idea to spam them as often as possible, but even if you did try to time them you wouldn’t be able to because there’s so many enemies that they don’t all render, so you can’t possibly tell whether there are any enemies over your trap regardless.

All you do with this is have four party members stand on top of the poles with the spike trap chains so they can’t take aggro and have them spam the trap as often as possible, all while using ranged DPS on the boss. Meanwhile a guardian or warrior should kite the enemies across the traps. Totally trivial.

Ghost Eater:
I have no idea what was intended for this fight, but the mortars are all completely useless. They do complete crap for damage. It’s even more perplexing because the boss is just tank and spank. He only has one significant attack that’s easily avoided. Why did you think we would need the mortars? What was supposed to be the gimmick for this boss?

I agree, but having to do the same dungeon over and over again is repetitive. Allow us to do different content that they have and reward us by allowing us to exchange the tokens for the gear we want.

This. Let us trade tokens at a 2:1 ratio so that even though I want a full set of Honor of the Waves gear, I can still play with my friends who all want other gear. As it is, we can’t play together and I can’t even find anyone who’s willing to even consider that horrendously time-consuming dungeon.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

The main thing I am seeing, is that people are upset that I took away their super profitable low risk, fast, token grind.

That’s not why I’m upset. I’m upset because the token system means you get nothing until you complete the same dungeon at least 7 times. Without CoF as a reliable token grind area, it’s that much harder to find four other people who all want to do any specific dungeon 7-50 times no matter which one it is. I could have 500 dungeon tokens and they’d be useless to me unless they were all from the same dungeon. That is a very frustrating system.

Gopher.4562:

Strill, you should go try another zone instead of farming the same few events over and over :P

First of all I’m not farming the same events over and over. I’m farming as many different events as I can. In fact, this problem only started when I STOPPED farming the same events over and over. Second, going to another zone has no effect. I’ve tried switching zones and I was still getting 19 karma from a single event.

I hit the dynamic event cap in just 25 minutes today. How the hell am I gonna get the 1 million karma for my legendary weapon at this rate?!

You forgot about the dynamic event limit. A player with a karma booster farming a good amount of events can hit the cap in less than half an hour.

Moonpuncher.7250:

My issue is that there’s just way too much difference between getting an exotic and getting a legendary. What’s in between? The second I hit 80 I got 5 pieces of exotic gear. I’ll have the rest of myself in exotics within the week. Are you saying I have zero incentive to look for gear now unless I want to embark on this thousand-hour abomination of a legendary?

I find it very hard to believe 1) Arenanet wants me to farm and grind and save up this ludicrous amount of gold/karma/mats just so i can get a COSMETIC upgrade, and 2) There’s no interim gear between exotic and legendary.

This is a big problem I think. If I’m getting close to satisfying requirements for a great item or achievement, I’ll consider that motivation. But as of now, I have no near-future carrot to chase. The reward doesn’t even come CLOSE to justifying the cost. Granted, I understand people’s opinions will vary from mine, I feel like there should be a few steps in between these two things that help me get better gear that I feel is actually obtainable.

There IS gear in-between exotic and legendary and it looks very cool.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/10209r/lets_have_a_nice_discussion_about_level_80/

They’re account bound so yes.

Sieg.8439:

Allso.5093:

I have sources that had these weapons on the closed beta.

If it takes four months of 12 hour day grinding, how did they manage that during the BWE’s? I think I’m reading something wrong.

The requirements in the Beta (not BWE) were much much lower.

From what I’ve seen, it’s currently about 100 hours of grinding for the karma. After that you need dungeon tokens, WvW tokens, and world completion, and the rest can be purchased with gold.

Crake.5827:

Legendaries aren’t supposed to be easier to get. Forcing all these things to be done on one character means that the resulting legendary is something earned and achieved by that character alone. The legendaries aren’t account bound, so why should the components be.

All the legendary components apart from what the OP listed ARE account bound. These are the exceptions to the rule which need to be fixed.

I bought karma boosters to get to a million karma faster, but whenever I use them my karma and other dynamic event rewards end up going down and down until they’re next to nothing. At first this happened after about 45 minutes but now it’s happening just 25 minutes after I use the booster.

When you guys read the thread with The Prestige bug, you obviously ignored the post that mentioned how ALL channeled abilities work the same as it. You can do the exact same thing with Confusing Images in order to constantly spam it.

McNuggetBandit.8376:

You kinda anwsered your self the “control” you are talking about from GW1 came from having the condtions in a not so watered down way. I still feel mesmers can be a very control based class (I run a WvW based build that forces range to either sit back and do nothing or come to my team and die through constant up times on reflections).

That’s not true. The devs explicitly explained how complex hexes from GW1 would be brought into GW2 in an intuitive way through phantasms. Instead they abandoned that idea and just made phantasms flimsy damage pets.

Agent Noun.7350:

Many players—myself and many of my guild mates included—are already growing somewhat tired with grinding dynamic events. Yet karma is required for quite a few things in the game, like exclusive skins and legendaries.

It might be a welcome addition to the game if dungeon runs granted karma in addition to the usual tokens and experience. Not only would this lessen the dependence on repeating the same dynamic events over and over—events that, to be quite honest, don’t demand very much of the player beyond running with a zerg—it would also help as an incentive to run dungeons even when the token-based rewards are a long way off.

Hell. Yes. Grinding events for hours on end for that 1 million karma I need for a legendary gets boring fast. I would love to be able to switch things up and get karma from a dungeon run.

ElemenZ.5486:

The most fundamental element of a RPG, weapon dmg, has been replaced by some bogus generic “weapon strength” factor.
Doesn’t this bother anyone else?

I really thought I’d see some x-xx dmg starter weapons, and xx-xxx in end game tier.
Before I knew anything about gw2, I even thought they are going to have a awesome dynamic dmg system, with different type of dmg, slashing, cutting, bashing, dull, piercing, and different magic elemental types.
The hype was that big…

But… no, they didn’t even give us basic physical dmg.
Just dmg calculated by some “weapon strength”.

Couldn’t they just keep it working and mainstream?
It simply doesn’t feel right at all, doesn’t feel like anything.

Arenanet thinks it’s too hip for classic RPG standards, feeling bit rebellious, hmm?

Why does the terminology matter? What’s the difference between “basic physical dmg” and “weapon strength”?

The anti-farm thing works per zone, not for events in whole.
This means you can’t sit there and zerg down events for hours on end. You actually need to go out and explore and stop doing the same 3 events over and over.

That’s simply not true. For one, I was going all around Cursed shore to grab every event that was available all across the map when I hit the event cap. After hitting it I switched from Cursed Shore to Malchor’s Leap but I was still getting reduced karma experience and money rewards.

AcidicVision.5498:

Since legendaries are items that were designed to take several months of playing to acquire…I do not sympathize.

They weren’t included for hardcore players with twelve hours day to grind out events and mats to get in a week.

So no, the event cap doesn’t make legendaries a nightmare. It makes extreme karma farming for the purpose of getting one as fast as possible in-efficient and you’ll probably burn out before you get close.

If you are farming the same events in a rotation enough to get hit with the anti-bot code, then you are doing it wrong. Story mode with guild-mates give big karma bonuses. Guild banners only take a few hours to create and give a big karma bonus. Consumables grant more karma. And these work in every 60-80 zone in the game.

I’m sorry, but IMO I would rather you add a little variety to your routine and earn your karma in one of the many ways available, than loosen up anti-bot anti-farm code and make the script and gold-farmer problem worse. State of game as whole > err mah geerdd I want legendary now!!

If I get a free 5 hours to farm for a legendary, I’d like to spend all that time farming. As is, the game won’t let me. Not everyone has a small amount of time every day to devote to the game.

No I have no guild-mates with story quests for karma boosts. I could get my guild to plant a karma banner though. I always use karma boosters. Beating a variety of different dynamic events makes no difference to the farming code.

Swagman.9013:

Ok I see that all the recipies for the legendaries have changed. What’s the point of the bloodstone shard now

It’s still a legendary material.

Galen Grey.4709:

As far as I know, I might be wrong, the farming scaling is only if you repeat the same events not based on how long it takes before you finish events. I would diversify more. Orr might be the highest amount of Karma you can get but it might not be the most efficient. I would also try other zones even low level zones. There are a lot of factors at play to consider efficiency. Time it takes to complete an event, risk invovled, how likely it is to fail, how long it takes between events. I would calculate how much karma I make in 1 hr at different zones you might find out you can actually play anywhere, enjoy the game and still get the karma you need!

Doesn’t work. I switched from Cursed Shore to Malchor’s Leap and still got 19 karma for several events in a row.

Qelris.6901:

You can buy legendary items with karma? o.o

No, approximately 1 million karma is one of the materials.

DirtyHoudini.2917:

What is the cap? I’ve never heard of this

I was farming events and like I said, the rewards scaled lower and lower till I was getting 19 karma from level 80 events in Orr.

So there’s a limit to the number of dynamic events you can complete in a given amount of time. If you complete more, your rewards scale lower and lower till they’re next to nothing. That means that even if you get some time to farm the 1 million karma required for a legendary, this cap is gonna stop you.

Why did you even bother giving us an option arenanet? Nobody is going to run the harder options if there is nothing in it for them. Right now its all about grinding as fast as possible to get that gear. Why spend 30 minutes for the same amount of tokens as 10minutes?

Because it’s not the same amount of tokens. You get extra tokens once per day per path you complete. Doing the paths you ignore at least once will give you more than doing one you’ve done before that day.

It’s purely a visual bug. You don’tn actually have 7/6 pieces. The aquatic helm replaces your normal helm while underwater.

Items placed in a Safe Box are not hidden from being sold in the trading post.

Take the Colossus Rumblus fight in Ascalon Catacombs explorable. One of his attacks is a conal AoE. This attack has a 270 degree cone at point-blank range, and a 60 degree cone at range. What does the graphic show you? A measly fourty-five degree frontal cone, and no indication of the point-blank cone whatsoever. Please fire whoever was responsible for matching attack graphics to hitboxes. They did a kitten poor job, and made this fight a living hell since you never have any idea if you’ve dodged the attack or not.

I started farming for Sunrise even before this patch, and now I’m so happy I did.

Elesthor.1450:

Well Shatter builds are viable.
Just dont expect to shatter a lot if you have a Phantasm build. There are lot of build you can run as a Mesmer and sure Mind Wrack isn’t a core ability for all.

Also, on your point 1. You approach it with a really simplistic mindset.
For instance after your Phantasm completes its attack there is a few seconds downtime with your phantasm just sitting there. You can take advantage of this time, shatter and then re-summon your phantasm to attack again.

Sure Mesmers are not as easy as a warrior to play, and sure there are many things that can improve our mechanics (Id like to see a better shatter delivery method than having me Clone run at the target) but the idea of shattering and the decisions you have to make are a good thing.

Shatters are the class mechanic. They’re intended to be useful to every specialization. “Shatter Build” and “Phantasm Build” should be defined by the effectiveness of each ability, not whether you make use of them at all. ArenaNet specifically identified other class mechanics which were mutually exclusive with other abilities and changed them so that the core ability was always useful and the other abilities were optional. That’s what the OP is asking for here.

Malakree.5912:

To summerize, stop hating on the phantasm build, we get you don’t like it. If you hate it that badly go play a warrior/engineer or accept that your just not going to play it. The problem is not phantasms, the problem is that phantasms are the only properly supported trait build which doesn’t suck.

He’s not hating on it, he wants to make it optional just like pets are optional for necromancers and turrets are optional for Engineers.

The point is that the class mechanic should be universal, and should enhance the other mechanics while currently it’s not and it hurts the other mechanics.

Most of the OP’s detractors just boil down to “No you’re wrong, shatters still have a place in a phantasm build.” This is simply a math problem and should be easy to confirm or disprove.

Yeah, Human has the Hadouken animation.

Mind Stab: Improved responsiveness.

Well that’s great. I just wish I knew which “Mind Stab” you were talking about.

One of the biggest selling points of GW2 for me was the scaling system. I expected to be able to farm anywhere with any of my friends no matter what level and get comparable loot. I have been sorely disappointed seeing it in action. I expected that the drops in low-level areas would be perhaps 80% of those in higher level areas in order to compensate for the fact that it’s slightly easier to complete the low-level areas. Instead I found that drop rates and rewards are DRASTICALLY lowered for higher level characters. With equipment drops you have as much chance to get a level 20 equip as a level 80 which is already bad enough, but with other items, like crafting materials, you can NEVER get any level 80 crafting materials from low-level areas which is an enormous loss in potential rewards.

I’m really bummed out on this. Why didn’t ANet want to follow through with this great idea? I want to be able to play through ANY content without it being obsolete like it currently is.

Cloud.2059:

Anywho, I wasnt saying it should be a common item. I was saying that the difficulty to get is too high and that based on what we know this far, its a disgusting grindfest.

There’s nothing compelling you to get a legendary other than prestige and aesthetics. If you don’t like grinding, don’t do it. Just do a dungeon and get one of the other cool looking weapons.

Will you be fixing the tagging and contribution systems so that players who revive others or throw down support skills get the same credit as those who throw down AoEs?

How about the condition cap crippling condition-based characters because all 25 bleed slots can be taken up by two characters?

viralinfector.3607:

Give the bonus points for the KB instead of the person that pushs “F” to finish him.

They already do. Haven’t you noticed?

EasymodeX.4062:

Answer: The build is easy to execute, easy to grasp for casual players, and offers generally effective gameplay. The class mechanic requires timing and resource management; the average player gravitates to the phantasm build and away from using shatters.

Later on they get good and realize that both are effective, but /shrug.

I’m level 80 and halfway to my Legendary weapon. When am I gonna realize that both are effective?

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/62812-crafting-twilight-speculation-and-how-to/

1. Base Exotic Weapon
2. Crafted Gift #1, Crafted Gift #2, weapon-specific Superior Sigil, 100 Icy Runestones
3. Gift of Battle, Gift of Exploration, Bloodstone Shard,
4. Mystic Clover x?, Glob of Ectoplasm x? Gift of Might, Gift of Magic

The #2 item is weapon specific. For example, for Twilight, it would be called “Gift of Twilight” and require Gift of Darkness, Gift of Metal, Superior Sigil of Leeching, and 100 Icy Runestones.

• Gift of Darkness: 100 Onyx Lodestones, 250 Orichalcum Ingot, 250 Hardened Cured Leather Squares, Gift of Ascalon. Account Bound, requires lv400 Weaponsmithing and 10g for the recipe
• Gift of Metal: 250 Orichalcum Ingot, 250 Platinum Ingot, 250 Darksteel Ingot, 250 Mithril Ingot. Account Bound, requires lv400 Armorsmithing and 10g for the recipe.
• Gift of Ascalon: 500 Ascalonian Tears from Ascalonian Catacombs Explorable
• Gift of Battle: 500 Medals of Honor (WvW)
• Gift of Exploration: 100% World Completion.
• Obsidian Shard: 2100 Karma ea. From the Temple of Balthazar vendor. 525,000 Karma in total.
• Icy Runestone: 1g ea from the Vendor at the Claw of Jormag event. 100g in total.
  Bloodstone Shard: 200 Skill Points from Miyani at the Mystic Forge.
• Mystic Clover: 10x Glob of Ectoplasm, 10 Crystal, 10 Obsidian Shard, 10 Mystic Coins. Has a CHANCE of giving you 10 Mystic Clovers. Otherwise creates random crafting materials. If 250 Mystic Clovers are required, Legendaries will likely cost 2 million additional karma and 150 additional skill points.
• Gift of Magic: 250 T6 Fangs, 250 T6 Scales, 250 T6 Claws, 250 T6 Bones
• Gift of Might: 250 T6 Bloods, 250 T6 Dusts, 250 T6 Venoms, 250 T6 Totems

The only things we don’t know are:

How many Globs of Ectoplasm do you need?
How many Mystic Clovers do you need?
What is the chance of getting Mystic Clovers from the Mystic Clover Recipe?

JonPeters.5630:

Hey, thanks for the report, we are looking at this now.

This applies to all channeled abilities, such as Confusing Images.

SiNoS.2147:

Allso.5093:

Annnnnd thats where you are wrong, the Gifts from Miyani are not used for all legendaries but all other items are when they say “used to craft legendary items”. This includes Gift of Exploration, Gift of Battle, Icy Runestone, Mystic Clover, Bloodstone Shard and Obsidian Shard.

One major problem with that idea. You cant add all those items to one recipy. For example the weapon Twilight will use Gift of Metal, Dusk of Rage, Gift of Darkness and one other item. It will not use Gift of Exploration, Gift of Battle, Icy Runestone, Mystic Clover, Bloodstone Shard, Obsidian Shard, Gift of Metal, Dusk of Rage, and Gift of Darkness. Theres not enough space in the mystic forge for it.

That’s false. Bloodstone Shard combines with Gift of Exploration, Gift of Battle, and 250x Obsidian Shards. Gift of Metal Combines with Gift of Darkness. There’s plenty of room for all of them.

mangarrage.1062:

All I see if we think we have the correct recipe and we think the calculation for the randomness of the mystic clover is correct
How about you find out if the recipe is correct first and how about you find out how many clovers you get with a certain number of combines
Then compare it to the other legedary recipes and what they have to do to get theirs
After all that is done then perhaps there may be a legitamate complaint behind the whole thing
But really in a game where just about everything you do gains karma and the fact that you are talking about what is called a legendary weapon, seeing that it would take a few months to get, I don’t really see an issue
And I don’t see it as a grind either. I don’t do events for Karma and I don’t do wvw for Karma I do those because I enjoy doing them so that is not a grind.
I’m sorry you don’t have your epic 2 weeks after the games was released though

Mystic Clovers are not specific to any legendary. They’re applicable to all legendaries.

EasymodeX.4062:

To start, we both summon two phantasms. Then you shatter yours while I leave mine out. By the time our phantasm cooldowns are up again, my phantasms have attacked again, far outdamaging your shatter,

Or I could wait until the phantasm cooldown is just about up to Shatter so I can, you know, Shatter immediately. Like I said.

OMG MIND BLOWN.

“Immediately” and “wait” are antonyms. I don’t know what you’re trying to say.