Guild Wars 2

Zoef.2761:

I’ve got a simple question: if this out of combat degeneration sucks, why was it implemented in the first place? Looks to me it’s the same old story: ranger class has something nice; can’t have that; let’s kitten it up in the name of “balance”.

I think the real question is why do they need metrics to tell them whether it should be reversed or not? It should be self evident to anyone who tries it themselves.

I usually scoff at the idea that no actual developer at Anet plays a Ranger but it has to be true at this point. Anyone who tried this hot mess of a spec would seriously think it’s even remotely fun or effective to play.

The most love the class has gotten so far in HoT was from the guys in charge of the universal change to minion AoE damage.

CindyKa.6137:

What annoys me greatly is people are pm’ing me accusing me of using an exploit when that is 100% completely false.

I either find this incredibly hard to believe or don;t care because it’s obvious that you just went and exploited some other fast source of xp.

No one gets that high in 4 days without dedicated farming.

Even doing the CoF farm takes at least ~12 hours of active farming.

Dlarnkk.1068:

Death is common.

Which is why you can revive dead people with sensual massage?

Serophous.9085:

Looks more like self inflicted grind to me

People want the new stuff now to play with, tinker around with until they get bored. Then demand new content immediately in that short period of time.

Arguably yes, but Anet did this to themselves when they locked Fractal and Legendary Mastery behind xp grind.

TFW when you destroy dungeons to encourage participation in expansion content but it just drives people back to dungeons so they can bypass it.

Magical…

cesmode.4257:

So if I am understanding this correctly…
Community has waited years for arenanet’s post-poned and pushed aside “fix” to the legendary “problem” and the long awaited solution is still either grind for mats your self or buy off TP? Not about the adventure, not about skill, not about exploration…just find the best spot to farm mats, which they have a great track record of nerfing to the ground.

Is that what I am reading here?

The community waited years for this?

The community waited years for pie in the sky, vaporware “adventures”.

How are you supposed to explore anywhere when there are waypoints every 5 feet?
How is this going to be about skill when this is supposed to be the more or less casual player’s alternative?
What adventures could they hope to add? To make unique immersive adventure system for every weapon in the 1st gen and all the ones in 2nd gen they would need to make nearly a whole new game’s worth of content. This would be reasonable if the game were still in development and what we should of had on day 1. It’s never going to happen now.

Anyone who thought this wasn’t going to be a bland grind to do and expensive to bypass bought the hype hook, line, and sinker.

The best case scenario would be to get some nice flavor text to give context and lore to the Legendaries and we got that.

Everything else is a pipe dream.

Leodon.1564:

Its not a matter of being OP relative to other professions. Its a matter of Anet not having a clear idea as to how to gate CAF in time for HoT launch, as seen by their approach to take mechanics from other professions and just slap it on Druid to see if any will stick.

No it’s a matter of Anet having this asinine idea that AF should be gated at all.

It should have been weaker heals/longer cooldowns but on a simple toggle mode that we could pop in out of at will or with a small cooldown. Why do we need resource management for something that is no different than Elementalist attunements?

The staff could then be replaced with a CC/condition weapon and we could get traits that proc effects when healing others in place of the “entering/leaving AF” ones.

I tolerated the BWE iteration of druid because AF was so easy to generate it was a non-issue. This new version is beyond awful.

Raven.9603:

I said “zerging.” as in, when in wvw, people form large zergs and stomp everyone with a smaller group than their own.

not “zerk” the meta pve stat.

Agreed.

BG has virtually no one on right now with all the xpac stuff going on so this might change, but right now Druid just feels clunky and pointless.

The class was great during the beta. Lingering Light let us fill the AF bar effortlessly and being able to carry over the bar meant you would be at the ready if you got jumped on.

Now, none of this happens.

I can’t heal at the start of a fight anymore and when they nerfed the kitten out of LL into the kittenty spvp trait is it now, it takes much longer to fill the bar making on demand heals no longer a thing.

Druid is worthless if you are getting one pushed and worthless if the fight is going well.

The only situation where it seemed to help was long duration fights that started to go badly. The problem is that the new Borderlands are so punishing to people who try to run back to a fight that people are just retreating the second things start to dip. Standing and fighting isn’t worth it anymore and, consequently, the heals needed to do so aren’t called for anymore.

Also, pets are still garbage in zerg fights because of reasons.

Blaine Tog.8304:

Substance E.4852:

Anyone who thought this would be easy or a short method was kidding themselves.

I didn’t think it would either easy or short and I was totally ok with that. But these numbers have me concerned. Why bother going through the hassle of putting together a precursor if you’re only saving 4 gold from buying it off the TP? You have to do a lot of work to make this happen. Shouldn’t the price be commensurately lower?

And you probably have to do a lot of work to get the gold as well.

This system lets you do a variety of things and just gathering as you play will get you a lot of materials. Even if you don’t mine what you need directly, you can sell what you don’t need to buy what you do.

Grinding gold directly is a horrendously slow process unless you do it in very specific areas.

Why you guys all thought this was going to be 75% fetch quests and dancing in front of npc’s or whatever is beyond me.

This was very clearly meant as an alternative to buying/forging, not a flat superior method.

Even if it was, the TP price of pre’s would likely fall to a lower amount to reflect the cost of questing one and you all would be crying about it still.

Kazuto.2798:

Substance E.4852:

Anyone who thought this would be easy or a short method was kidding themselves.

I’m pretty sure none of us thought that precursor crafting was easy or short.
You are missing the points that players are making in this thread.

No I understand the point completely. It’s stupid expensive to TP the materials directly.

You weren’t expected to do this. It was supposed to be a method that would let you make tangible progress through general play.

The only problem that really exists is the need for otherwise time-gated materials.

TP cost only matters if you are looking to buy the mats instead of gathering them. One only does this to speed up the crafting process.

The point of the system is to give you an alternative to farming gold to get the precursor. You aren’t supposed to just buy all the items off the TP.

Way to miss the purpose entirely.

And as far as the cost goes, HoT just launched. Everyone is trying out the new system causing the price of things to go up with demand which is why precursor prices are falling because less people are just buying a completed one.

The point of the changes was to give an option of bypassing the trading post and RNG entirely. Anyone who thought this would be easy or a short method was kidding themselves.

You will have to complete the raid to unlock access to the Tiger.

I mean, not really, but, maybe?

Lord Kuru.3685:

Shark fins? Now that’s in poor taste Anet.

I’m eagerly awaiting the patch that will let us farm the new tigers for bones and gall bladders. -_-

anduriell.6280:

YEs. That’s an issue that happens to the LB in rapid fire also.
The change the skill from the BWE3 from behave like he Axe#4 to behave like Lb#2.
LB#2 is buggy and miss all the change some times, tested in SW against the terragrifs and you can see it happen a lot of times.

The little fire trail the terragrifs leave behind seems to block projectiles in general though there is no official notation that I’ve found.

I’ll wait for raids to make a final decision.

I really like the Ranger but it’s clear the base class is a lost cause and raids might be what finally forces their hand and makes them revert the Druid nerfs. If not, and we end up getting left out of the meta again, then I guess there’s a lot more games out there to try.

- You will be put into combat for 1-2 seconds when using Staff 3 even if using it in a city with no enemies nearby and not taking any fall damage.

It seems to happen unconditionally, every time.

- I’m not sure if the healing glyph is supposed to be .5 seconds to cast but the animation is absurd looking when sped up that much.

Obuw.9513:

With the old eotm rates, the rate of getting gear with badges was still slower than alternative routes (e.g. gold, or pvp reward paths), but roughly on par. Now they are a complete joke. They should probably nerf the WvW dailies by -90% as well because right now rewards from one daily equates to around 3-6 hours of WvW in terms of rewards.

lol, no see you tend to get a decent amount in WvW because people in WvW actually fight each other. We don’t karma train in a circle to farm rewards.

rogerwilko.6895:

rapthorne.7345:

What would the point be in having an elite specialisation if it was just all open and available immediately.

what ever happened to ‘play the game because it’s FUN’ ?

Isn’t it magical how the same people who tell others to “just play for fun” when they ask for more to do/hard PvE content are suddenly all for pointless time gates simply because it’s what Anet gave them?

I wonder how many of them would do a 180 and be all for hard trinity if Anet actually went that route.

Nike.2631:

Carbon Footprint.3421:

Only 2 ‘sets’ as there are only 2 new heavy chest pieces in the wardrobe.

See, that’s just weird thinking to me. That would be 2 “heavy sets”. Along with 2 “light sets” and 2 “medium sets”. Why people consider SIX completely separate looks to be “two sets” is strange.

2 sets as in 2 themed sets.

Chaos weapons are one set just as the Arah armors or Carapace armors are a set each.

Even the armors in the gem store came in sets despite some having no central theme.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Anet always focusing on the important issues… meanwhile druid is still broken as kitten and the ranger buglist keeps on growing.

I’m really enjoying entering combat every single time I use Staff 3.

Getting 1-2 seconds of super kittening slow combat speed for no reason really balances out the otherwise great mobility of the skill.

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

runeblade.7514:

Slowpokeking.8720:

nikdik.1934:

And yet there is still no update on Elite Specs and Hero Points.

So much for this being a GRIND FREE game.

I think the Elite Spec require bigger change to work, so they need more time.

It takes 15 or fewer seconds to type, “We understand that Elite specialization progression is terrible. We’ll change it.”

Or “Entitlement is not becoming of anyone. Earn it or visit the Apple Store for a massive selection of casual games for people without motivation.”

Why does every grind apologist always have to resort to strawmen?

Nemesis.6938:

maybe it would be an idea that if you unlock ONE elite spec fully that you get some kind of account wide buff that increases hero point gain by xx% (i’d say 50) so that you can unlock further ones faster?

All they need to do is make it cost as much as any other trait line. Not more than all of them together.

The Maguma HP’s should be a way for people to unlock the elite spec on an alt that might have very little map completion while playing HoT.

Never a necessity for everyone regardless of completion status.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Seyamn.8071:

The tool tip indicates the new F2 does not work with Go For The Eyes, Loud Whistle , and Withering Strike traits. Those are the Blind, reduced cool down, and weakness traits, respectively.

Can anyone confirm this?

If that is true, its just….. omg

It triggers Go for the Eyes and Beastly Warden (with a huge radius. It can catch two of the LMH testing golems) but does not work with Loud Wistle Pack Alpha and does not Trigger withering Strikes.

Nemesis.6938:

Substance E.4852:

Argon.1563:

I wish a dev would come out to clear this up. So many questions.

Are ALL the armour sets in the wardrobe? Are some hidden?
Are more armour sets coming in future updates for HoT? Raid rewards possibly?

They said two new sets at launch.

Bladed and leyline seem to be those sets.

That_Shaman did data mine a set back in the beginning of the year that had a basic and upgraded form and I now fear that was the legendary armor.

Which is incredibly sad because the medium armor was amazing and both leyline and bladed medium are awful.

nothing new that medium armor has the worst skins…you can really see that they are out of ideas of what to do altough i’d have a lot of ideas that are still missing

Except they aren’t. They just seem to have literally one person who knows what they are doing and don’t let them design much.

I mean, this below is good medium/leather design. Instead we get rock armor and Shredder’s bathrobe…

Why can’t we have more of this and less bulk with a side of trench coat?

Kreed.2768:

Right, so it was 50% more damage “than intended” all throughout BWE3, but only now, suddenly, it had to be “fixed.” Sounds legit, Anet. Can you go actually fix Druid now? :P

You can’t fix what’s “working as intended”…

Glad I don’t have to worry about finding one now.

Argon.1563:

I wish a dev would come out to clear this up. So many questions.

Are ALL the armour sets in the wardrobe? Are some hidden?
Are more armour sets coming in future updates for HoT? Raid rewards possibly?

They said two new sets at launch.

Bladed and leyline seem to be those sets.

That_Shaman did data mine a set back in the beginning of the year that had a basic and upgraded form and I now fear that was the legendary armor.

Which is incredibly sad because the medium armor was amazing and both leyline and bladed medium are awful.

Khristophoros.7194:

Substance E.4852:

Khristophoros.7194:

Shogun.7401:

Levi M.7428:

So you want to be handed everything correct? That’s what ur asking for? Cause that’s what it sounds like.

Yes, he paid for the elite spec. Keep your sarcasm to yourself.

That’s not even the issue. We also paid for legendaries but it was understood that the legendaries would take a lot of time and effort to unlock.

Compares legendaries to basic class skills in a game with no power creep by design.

Optional cosmetics = skills/traits that open up new play styles not possible beforehand.

On a scale of 1 to Even, I literally can’t…

On one side we have skills and traits which are not supposed to take a lot of time to unlock. That’s one of the design principles the game is built on.

On the other side we have legendaries which are only cosmetic but take a lot of work to unlock.

In both cases we paid to get access to them but it was clearly understood that the legendaries would take a lot of time and effort so we were ok with paying for the game while knowing that.

Would people still have been ok with paying for it if they knew how long it would take to unlock elite specs? If the designers thought so, they would have told us.

lol sorry I read that as a “we should have expected this obviously”/“strawmaning the idea that poster wanted legendaires easy because they paid for them” kind of post.

Khristophoros.7194:

Levi M.7428:

Bryzy.2719:

Levi M.7428:

So you want to be handed everything correct? That’s what ur asking for? Cause that’s what it sounds like.

Nice strawman fallacy.

He never said he wanted everything handed to him, he said the amount of work required to get the Espec is ridiculous, which it is. Most people knew that they had to earn the specs, but the sheer amount of hours this will take was NOT advertised.

The fact that legendaries will take a long time to create WAS advertised.

If the Espec had required a total of, say, 200 HPs to unlock, that would still require an amount of work and mastery gain but it would be much more fair than what is currently required.

Your right. Let’s just get everything at launch right away. It’s only fair cause that’s what we “paid” for. Yeah I change my mind. I to want to throw a fit because the game is making me work towards something rather than mindlessly running around the silverwastes all day. You changed my opinion completely. Thanks man! :/

Since when were the elite specs = “everything”?

I’m going to assume they’re being willfully dishonest or just straight don’t know what the word ‘everything’ means.

Khristophoros.7194:

Shogun.7401:

Levi M.7428:

So you want to be handed everything correct? That’s what ur asking for? Cause that’s what it sounds like.

Yes, he paid for the elite spec. Keep your sarcasm to yourself.

That’s not even the issue. We also paid for legendaries but it was understood that the legendaries would take a lot of time and effort to unlock.

Compares legendaries to basic class skills in a game with no power creep by design.

Optional cosmetics = skills/traits that open up new play styles not possible beforehand.

On a scale of 1 to Even, I literally can’t…

Loony.3714:

Substance E.4852:

Loony.3714:

I’m not asking to be handed the spec on the alts that I havent played much, just that all of hero points I collected with map completion actually meant something instead of being devalued by the 10x inflation in the jungle.

lol, I logged on with 182 hero points on my Ranger all psyched to play on the BL with the Druid only to me met with massive disappointment.

Now I’m faced with either not being able to play a decent role on the class I love in WvW for the next week or so, or having to blast through HoT to get all the hero points.

Neither is appealing and both together just make me want to play something else.

This is exactly how I feel. And don’t get me wrong, I was going to explore and 100% the hell out of the new maps, just in a month or two when I can really sit down and do it thoroughly. Now if I want access to chrono I really have to just power through it asap

I did this in GW1 in Factions and Nightfall to blast to the end and grab the Elite armor but they made up for it by having so much extra stuff to do such as quests or largely superfluous, exploration areas.

I could go back and be all “Okay, time to be a hero and look super fly at the same time…” and not feel burned out or like there was nothing left to play around in.

With the HP’s I basically have to go everywhere and do everything to get them. There won’t be any roses to go back and smell because I already ran them over with my ATV.

fireflyry.7023:

misterman.1530:

The more I read, the less I will play, and the less chance there is I will ever buy HoT.

I’m in agreement but I will buy HoT at some stage.In a month or two it’s just great value at half price or less.

Thing is the points of valid critique vastly outweigh the rebuttal.

You’re better off getting it now to be honest. Many of the events are designed as group content and Verdant Brink feels much less fun with fewer players than it had during the beta.

I don’t know if everyone is in the other maps or if the overflow system is bugged (I had heard this may be the case) but it will only get worse the less people show up to play in it.

Loony.3714:

I’m not asking to be handed the spec on the alts that I havent played much, just that all of hero points I collected with map completion actually meant something instead of being devalued by the 10x inflation in the jungle.

lol, I logged on with 182 hero points on my Ranger all psyched to play on the BL with the Druid only to me met with massive disappointment.

Now I’m faced with either not being able to play a decent role on the class I love in WvW for the next week or so, or having to blast through HoT to get all the hero points.

Neither is appealing and both together just make me want to play something else.

Holland.9351:

The truth is, we should have 0 pet skills on our weapons. So Staff is actually an improvement. Not more power wasted on the pet.

Pet skills as in things that synergize with the pet.

You could literally drag and drop the staff onto any other class and nothing would be out of place mechanically.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Substance E.4852:

I’m calling bullkitten on this. On a normal Maw you would be hitting a full 9 times per staff cast. I was refilling the bar in literal seconds in wvw during the beta.

Even with a 40% drop in build rate, there is no way you didn’t fill the bar in the 30-60 seconds it takes to kill maw.

Depends on how many other Druids/players were there healing at the same time.

If there were a lot and the people in melee didn’t require healing because of the many small ticks coming from elsewhere, I see no reason why it would ever charge up.

It would fill the bar even if you didn’t actually proc green numbers during the beta.

I could just stand in place and shoot my pet in the butt a bunch of times out of combat to fill it. The same with trolls.

It still works the same way now though it’s less obvious given that you need to be in combat to do so.

rozer.8042:

Unopened Endless Batwing potion COST 145 GOLD …. WTF….

That’s what you get for having a job and not playing GW2 at around noon’ish NA when people deduced it needed a bottle.

Zalani.9827:

I enjoyed the beta Druid much more tbh.

At least we’ll always have the memories…

Justine.6351:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

I like your jibe at the end of your 2nd video, “Think of more restrictions next time”

Ok, here is one.

Play Druid in SoloQ, play as a Hybrid/Support build without Staff or TU. Contribute to a win.

You show me your druid spvp play and I will show you mine.

You are the one asserting a testable fact. The burden of proof is on you.

Even if he did make a video, all one would have to do is claim “he didn’t play well enough” or “he took a dive” and it gets hand waved away instantly.

I mean, come now…

Eos.6951:

Substance E.4852:

True but you can go and level through any method that gives you xp.

Don’t like grinding anymore in Ascalon? No problem, there is 3 other regions with a zone in your level range.

Here, there is no option. Getting tired of Maguma and the same series of events? Oh well.

That’s a good point. Yet when looking through the complaints about needing to level the mastery system it’s rarely mentioned. Though there are 3 maguma maps, just like there’s 3 ascalon maps :P, but I understand what you’re trying to say.

lol I meant mostly like you could go to the Shiverpeaks to hang with the norn in the snow or the Tarnished coast and do some sci-fi Asura stuff.

Whalekisses.1345:

Substance E.4852:

Whalekisses.1345:

Knighthonor.4061:

So anybody have any solutions to this problem?

A simple quest line that allows players to unlock the new elite spec, or simply unlocking the spec by playing the HoT storyline?

Just reducing the absurd amount of hero points needed to unlock the traits/skills is enough. I went into this with ~180 points thinking I was safe.

God was I wrong. It was just enough to unlock one adept trait and one utility skill.

Druid is boring enough already. Playing it like that is just pointless.

I still don’t agree with this in regards to using these specs in pvp. Unless they made all specs available in pvp and lowered the hero points needed to something like 60 or 100.

I don’t know what you’re on about. I just popped my necro in the lobby and she had full access to Reaper with no points put into the spec in pve mode.

If you paid for HoT and can’t use the specs in pvp I would suggest filling out a support ticket.

True but you can go and level through any method that gives you xp.

Don’t like grinding anymore in Ascalon? No problem, there is 3 other regions with a zone in your level range.

Here, there is no option. Getting tired of Maguma and the same series of events? Oh well.

Whalekisses.1345:

Knighthonor.4061:

So anybody have any solutions to this problem?

A simple quest line that allows players to unlock the new elite spec, or simply unlocking the spec by playing the HoT storyline?

Just reducing the absurd amount of hero points needed to unlock the traits/skills is enough. I went into this with ~180 points thinking I was safe.

God was I wrong. It was just enough to unlock one adept trait and one utility skill.

Druid is boring enough already. Playing it like that is just pointless.

Just did on a map I was on. It’s a bit of a pain in the kitten because you basically get instagibed if you get caught in a fly by flame attack.

I also think it might be glitched because there was one flying by with fire while it was still on the ground though it doesn’t seem to imply there is supposed to be more than one.

I’m calling bullkitten on this. On a normal Maw you would be hitting a full 9 times per staff cast. I was refilling the bar in literal seconds in wvw during the beta.

Even with a 40% drop in build rate, there is no way you didn’t fill the bar in the 30-60 seconds it takes to kill maw.

Justine.6351:

I don’t see this type of stuff in a centralized post for easy access. All I see is crybaby threads.

Because you are blinded by pure bias.

I mean, holy kitten dude, you are literally considering putting out a guide just to explain that the best way to build AF but still think it works in it’s current form.

That’s absurd.

It should just happen. If we need a guide then it’s absolutely broken and not functional.

Or if this is the standard then they better nerf the ever living kitten out of Death/Reaper shroud and the adrenaline bar since those fill up with little to no effort naturally.

Sounds ridiculously OP.

Photinous.4628:

Justine.6351:

okies vid is uploaded.
0-100% AF in ~13sec, No Staff, No TU, No Allies

https://youtu.be/kpDyjMlGYc8

Show us a video of you doing this in a real PvP match, not some fight against NPC’s. Also, do it without verdent etching. This is what people want, actual AF generation without sacrificing their builds to pickup staff or glyphs.

Face rolls entire skill bar while NPC’s stand in barrage. Seems legit.

Mcrocha.3891:

Unholy Pillager.3791:

Mcrocha.3891:

oshilator.4681:

Mcrocha.3891:

oshilator.4681:

Substance E.4852:

oshilator.4681:

Thanks for killing our spec on Day One, Roy.

The ranger community thanks you.

Now, can we get Irenio to fix it?

lol the hero worship is real…

What makes you people think it wasn’t Irenio that messed up Druid? He was the one in charge.

Points you towards the massive hammering nerf that was given to WHaO a few weeks ago

Roy.

And unless I’m imagining it, Irenio said he wanted us to keep half the AF we’d built up if we left CF early.

Does today’s change sound like anything he planned?

We do keep half of the AF now. So I guess it does sound like he planned the other changes too?

Until you’re out of combat. Then it quickly evaporates.

Which…..is the crux of the issue.

So what was your original point? There is no evidence that Roy was involved in the changes we are unhappy with, but there is evidence that Irenio planned the changes, as you pointed out.

Well, Irenio gave lists of changes and proposed changes, and this wasn’t on any of them. Something is fishy here.

Well by that logic, we also got positive changes that were not on the proposed changes lists. Druidic clarity, GoE, SoL, NC all got buffs, so does that mean that Roy implemented those buffs?

He never even stated that what was listed was the whole set of changes coming.

Irenio CalmonHuang.2048:

Hey all,

Since the third beta weekend there’s been a lot of great feedback – thanks!

Below are some of the more solid changes to the Druid since the beta weekend that were made to address some concerns regarding net damage loss in a raid, celestial avatar form feeling gated by staff and glyph reward scaling.

Besides, this is Anet. Literally nothing is set in stone until it’s actually released.

I personally didn’t think the Druid would come away without a few changes but I had kind of hoped it wouldn’t feel much crappier.

oshilator.4681:

Substance E.4852:

oshilator.4681:

Thanks for killing our spec on Day One, Roy.

The ranger community thanks you.

Now, can we get Irenio to fix it?

lol the hero worship is real…

What makes you people think it wasn’t Irenio that messed up Druid? He was the one in charge.

Points you towards the massive hammering nerf that was given to WHaO a few weeks ago

Roy.

And unless I’m imagining it, Irenio said he wanted us to keep half the AF we’d built up if we left CF early.

Does today’s change sound like anything he planned?

The “nerf it from orbit to be sure” that WHaO got was in no way tied to Druid development.

Again, pure hero worship.

We’ve gotten more help from the guys who balanced pets to take less damage in PvE and that was a catch all for minions in general.

Crapgame.6519:

Somehow I don’t think position and easy would work well in the fast pace zerg warfare we call WvW…

Doesn’t matter much since they gutted Lingering Light which gave more than enough juice to keep AF up.

Druid went from awesome in wvw to “better than a vanilla Ranger at least”.

Unholy Pillager.3791:

Substance E.4852:

oshilator.4681:

Thanks for killing our spec on Day One, Roy.

The ranger community thanks you.

Now, can we get Irenio to fix it?

lol the hero worship is real…

What makes you people think it wasn’t Irenio that messed up Druid? He was the one in charge.

Usually when something that rangers have gets gutted like this, it’s because Roy overrode Irenio. At least, that’s what appears to have happened for every example that comes readily to mind.

My point though is he posted the preview changes here himself and is the designer behind the Druid.

There’s nothing to imply Roy overrode anything. It’s not like the Druid didn’t have major issues during beta as well.

If we got “lol Ranger too adequate, needs nerfing” I’d agree but this is a lot more like “lol Druid too fun, needs ‘adjusting’”.

We didn’t go from good to bad so much as we went from fun to what ever the kitten this is supposed to be.

oshilator.4681:

Thanks for killing our spec on Day One, Roy.

The ranger community thanks you.

Now, can we get Irenio to fix it?

lol the hero worship is real…

What makes you people think it wasn’t Irenio that messed up Druid? He was the one in charge.