Guild Wars 2

LastHope.8127:

Spartacus.5243:

if you master this build, thief would be meta.

check out my stream to see it in action.

www.twitch.tv/aesthetic_eraz

I have played against you so many times, there is a reason youre stuck in ruby mate. I get that you want to gain a bigger streaming audience (you anounce you stream before every match starts) but stpo agressivly forcing yourself on people with false statements.

Hey, don’t generalize every Ruby player >_>.
I’m still in Ruby because I barely have the time to play ._.

Yasi.9065:

a) player pool is way bigger than you obviously think,

And this is where you’re wrong.

If we had such a big pool as you said, we wouldnt have to deal with bad matches.

Bad matches excist because there arent enough ppl to pick from with same MMR/Division at same time, leading in unbalanced matches often.

This is my current build, which suits me the best.

Not hitting 1 Mill damage dealt (average 600k) but easy to pick out targets in teamfights with Panic Strike and Executioner:

Pistol Shield Scrapper is a thing?

davidiven.9408:

pvp in BNS is only good at 1v1, in large scale it’s just a mess and this game is very ping dependent, if u want to compete at high level your ping must < 70 at least, best is < 50

I’m not sure they will introduce the pvp balance mode (no gear) when it’s released, if they dont … well, you need to grind very much for your gear to be able to compete.

You’re wrong. In the official EU/NA release you dont need any gear but level 45 to have full adventage of PvP.

I know so because I played all the alpha’s and CBT’s.
And I also played the Russian client for a while, which has the problem you stated, or atleast it did.

You’re talking about Russian/Chinese Client, which is totally different on that matter.
Also, pvp is always ping-dependant, no matter the game.

B&S will have EU servers (in Hamburg, same as GW2) and NA (Texas/Boston, same as GW2)

Also 3v3 arena is quite competitive with a team and TS, which brings alot of coordination.

Cogbyrn.7283:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Cogbyrn.7283:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Cogbyrn.7283:

So how much of a pay-to-win RNG-crafting grind-fest is BnS going to be? 1v1 competition goes out the window when you introduce gear as an important factor in fights.

1. its not p2w
2. gear does NOT matter in PvP, only your level does (because you need your skill points to put in tree, so its suggested to be lv45, which is cap for now)
3. it has very awesome 1v1/3v3 arenas

What are all the benefits from the NCStore/Premium membership tiers? And how long does it take to get to level cap?

1. All the benefits are a bit much to explain but in big lines: less meditation duration (which is same as GW2 selfrez when downed), less cd on big teleport, less cd on sprint (you cant sprint in pvp once in combat so no p2w), more character slots, …
2. Reaching level cap takes about 3-7 days tops, depening how much you play. While doing it, you’ll automatically get your gear you need, which you can upgrade yourself by playing and put drops into the wep.

I always meant to play BnS when it released, so that hasn’t changed. But I’m still skeptical. I can only assume “drops into the wep” is PvE only thing, and if “drop” is some sort of gem/upgrade slot, I can also only assume that as you put more in, your chance of failure increases, and failure once removes all “drops” from a weap. Or something equally time-wastey.

I could be wrong. I’ll be trying the game regardless. But it won’t be killing GW2.

You are wrong indeed.
Basically what you’ll be putting into your Main Weapon are other weapons you dropped from mobs etc. By doing so your Weapon will slowly level up. Success rate is always 100%; it just goes slower the higher the level is. Every 5th level you’ll need a specific item to go through 10th level. Starting at the 10th level you’ll need another specific weapon (which are easily obtainable from dungeons/vendors) to upgrade your weapon into another weapon (only every 10 levels). And it goes on like that..

And yes, its a PvE only thing as stats in PvP does not matter, like GW2. Only your level does for your skilltree points.

However, if you’re not yet lv 45, you won’t be paired vs lv45 either

Cogbyrn.7283:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Cogbyrn.7283:

So how much of a pay-to-win RNG-crafting grind-fest is BnS going to be? 1v1 competition goes out the window when you introduce gear as an important factor in fights.

1. its not p2w
2. gear does NOT matter in PvP, only your level does (because you need your skill points to put in tree, so its suggested to be lv45, which is cap for now)
3. it has very awesome 1v1/3v3 arenas

What are all the benefits from the NCStore/Premium membership tiers? And how long does it take to get to level cap?

1. All the benefits are a bit much to explain but in big lines: less meditation duration (which is same as GW2 selfrez when downed), less cd on big teleport, less cd on sprint (you cant sprint in pvp once in combat so no p2w), more character slots, …
2. Reaching level cap takes about 3-7 days tops, depening how much you play. While doing it, you’ll automatically get your gear you need, which you can upgrade yourself by playing and put drops into the wep.

Serophous.9085:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Cogbyrn.7283:

So how much of a pay-to-win RNG-crafting grind-fest is BnS going to be? 1v1 competition goes out the window when you introduce gear as an important factor in fights.

1. its not p2w
2. gear does NOT matter in PvP, only your level does (because you need your skill points to put in tree, so its suggested to be lv45, which is cap for now)
3. it has very awesome 1v1/3v3 arenas

oh god…leveling in a Korean MMO…and people complain about the grind in GW2…

It takes literally 2-3 days to get to the cap and have your gear in BnS.

Cogbyrn.7283:

So how much of a pay-to-win RNG-crafting grind-fest is BnS going to be? 1v1 competition goes out the window when you introduce gear as an important factor in fights.

1. its not p2w
2. gear does NOT matter in PvP, only your level does (because you need your skill points to put in tree, so its suggested to be lv45, which is cap for now)
3. it has very awesome 1v1/3v3 arenas

Yes, we def need more CC right now..smh

Serophous.9085:

Terrorsquad.4802:

WuGzaGenius.5684:

Its a mmorporno. Its not even on scale with runescape! How can something like that compare to Gw2?

Because it atleast has an esport scene in Korea, Japan and China.
Not just 300 viewers on twitch falling asleep, but over tens of thousands live supporters in e-sports arenas in Korea watching top players battling it out in live tournaments for much higher prize-pool than this game will ever give in the total life-span of its scene.

https://youtu.be/byMfnUqlZ2E?t=619

You do know that in Korea, Video game playing is pretty much on par as a national sport for them. So…duh their gonna have a massive amount of viewers for any of their esports? I mean, the best Starcraft players come from there…

Scene is big in Korea, China and Japan. Not only Korea.

Mister Fluffkin.7358:

Serophous.9085:

Terrorsquad.4802:

WuGzaGenius.5684:

Its a mmorporno. Its not even on scale with runescape! How can something like that compare to Gw2?

Because it atleast has an esport scene in Korea, Japan and China.
Not just 300 viewers on twitch falling asleep, but over tens of thousands live supporters in e-sports arenas in Korea watching top players battling it out in live tournaments for much higher prize-pool than this game will ever give in the total life-span of its scene.

https://youtu.be/byMfnUqlZ2E?t=619

You do know that in Korea, Video game playing is pretty much on par as a national sport for them. So…duh their gonna have a massive amount of viewers for any of their esports? I mean, the best Starcraft players come from there…

The animations look like they´re missing 3/4 frames, is this some pre-alpha version? I remember streetfighter on my Super NES had a better look… 0o

The animations are perfectly fine.

WuGzaGenius.5684:

Its a mmorporno. Its not even on scale with runescape! How can something like that compare to Gw2?

Because it atleast has an esport scene in Korea, Japan and China.
Not just 300 viewers on twitch falling asleep, but over tens of thousands live supporters in e-sports arenas in Korea watching top players battling it out in live tournaments for much higher prize-pool than this game will ever give in the total life-span of its scene.

https://youtu.be/byMfnUqlZ2E?t=619

Cynz.9437:

I bet OP is the same guy that was moaning all match that i was playing thief, threated to afk, spent more time actually talking crap than playing and asked everyone to report me for botting because i was playing a thief. At the end we won and that guy got reported by our team for verbal abuse. Moral of the story? Shut up and play.

Moral of the story; he called you “he” :>

Krysard.1364:

Terrorsquad.4802:

EDIT: we both know top teams also only play the most effective specs to win; not the class they want to play.

This isnt always true

It is mostly true and certainly in high-end teams.

Chamladia.8523:

Impact.2780:

Chamladia.8523:

Terrorsquad.4802

Leaving 2 classes out of a meta is quite sad

Funny how you say that when rangers and necros have never been on the meta for a very long time but nobody seemed to care about them being left out.

Except it’s actually 4 classes left out of the meta, technically. Arguably 5.

My point was that people only started to care about balance when it affected them. Those disgusting “remove thief/warrior” threads used to be “LFG NO RANGERS/NECROS” for the past 2 years.

2 years is a bit much considering its been a year now (maybe more?)The Ajured is ruling NA with a necro and the year therefore it was Cheese Mode ruling EU with Spirit Ranger (Azron).

EDIT: we both know top teams also only play the most effective specs to win; not the class they want to play.

As Thief is made, it can never be the strongest class at all.
It doesn’t have the Toughness/Vitality.
It doesn’t have the cleanses.
It doesn’t have the AoE CC’s.
It doesn’t have the Pointholder specs.
It doesn’t have the ability to 1v1 in short time period to decap the point, because it doesn’t counter anything in general.

It cannot do what all other classes can, except +1’ing.

The thing that makes Thieves strong is +1’ing/decap free points, which is more sad than anything else.

Archon.6480:

The Amber would only make it into that match if he was in a party when he queued up. He must have found a way to break party between then and when you posted that screenshot.

Nope, I asked the party and they didnt know him.

Chapell.1346:

If thief can win fairly on a 1v1 scenario; then I am afraid to say that, it needs to be look at and must toned it down. Teamplay while maintaining individuality ArenaNet, remember?

All specializations need to be toned down. All of them are better than any vanilla build.

deputatu.5620:

Terrorsquad.4802:

I see alot of people here saying thief can’t 1v1 currently but it actually can.

If you go DA/Trick/DD with Staff, I have no issues beating DS Auramancers, Bunker Mesmers 1v1 within 20s, honestly.

Maybe i`m too much into the D/P – SB weapon setup but i really don`t like the staff on thief. Sure you have a good amount of burst with it but it still feels a bit clunky to me.

Also, as the meta is currently I for one see no point in 1 v 1, I would rather send a brawler from my team as 1 v 1 against the enemy point holder and go there to +1 the fight than to go myself and fulfill the role of the brawler. Of course there are times when you have to hold your own but the most you can expect (if the enemy is equally skilled) is to delay that guy until reinforcements arrive – this in my opinion is the saddest part about thief in the current playstyle.

Like many have posted in the current meta thief is hard to play into a 1 v 1, and from a team play standpoint you are only as good as your team is/allows you to be. But when you have a good team you really shine, at least that is how I feel about it.

I agree, the staff overall feels clunky but only the skills that arent used as much.

The only skills that I really use are auto-attack, the blind (4) and Vault (5).
Number 2 and 3 are the clunky ones and I dont really use those.

Vault can hit up to 8k per time, in an AoE. I don’t find this bad at all.
The dodges can hit up to 3k, stacking together with Vault + immobilize from Panic Strike, it really hurts the target.

Again, not saying its better than dp/sb, because it isn’t. But it is, damage-wise in teamfights.

Sorel.4870:

Terrorsquad.4802:

If you go DA/Trick/DD with Staff, I have no issues beating DS Auramancers, Bunker Mesmers 1v1 within 20s, honestly.

Good job. But you see, the two builds you listed are not 1v1 builds. If your build could beat a scrapper, a druid or even a revenant 1v1, then it would have some use as a side point fighter, but as it is there are better builds for the role.

My build isn’t made for 1v1 either. It’s pure +1 build because all you do is spam Vault and auto attack in teamfights. So just sticking to the target called.

If I see a Auramancer/Bunker Mesmer/Reaper trying to decap home, then I’ll contest it and mostly win the 1v1 in a short time period.

Although, Reapers can be tricky at times.

And yes, it depends if their well is on CD or not and how they’re using F5 skill, that’s right.

But be sure the thief has an advantage, certainly when just auto attacking, which hits enough to make the mesmer waste his block/invulns in a short time period.

You should try and see for yourself.

Though, I’m not suggesting playing thief in the coming future in this meta because we all know why. Power Rev does everything better for lower cost and more tanky.

I see alot of people here saying thief can’t 1v1 currently but it actually can.

If you go DA/Trick/DD with Staff, I have no issues beating DS Auramancers, Bunker Mesmers 1v1 within 20s, honestly.

Though, all the rest is true; it doesnt fit in the current meta as it can be dealt with quite easily.

But don’t say it can’t 1v1, because it can tbh.
When I see a comp with 2 eles and a mesmer/necro, I tend to go thief and we mostly win the match and even have ppl thank me being a thief doing its job.

But when I see DH’s, I reroll because one stack of traps one hits a thief.
Not talking about teamfight traps but those traps which got left behind on a point you want to decap (far for example) and you suddenly are in downstate for entering the point due lingering traps.

The CC’s on traps are ridiculous + the elite being visually bugged and you cant expect melee specs to just wave at your from afar.

Krysard.1364:

Terrorsquad.4802:

BuungBuung.2168:

We must be spent 3-4 to kill 1 bunker to capture point
We have been hit 4000 by Rev’s auto attack
We have been hit by pet’s of full healing Druid around 4000-6000
We have been hit by True Shot(4 seconds cooldown) of Dragon Hunter around 4000-7000
Rev Taunt …?
Rev Confusion and torment more than 10 stacks
Daredevil evade….how many times ?

If you have issues with daredevil in this meta… I have no words for it, sorry.

Even if thief is right now out of the meta, the number of evades he has is absurdly broken. Someday thief will be buffed and then ppl will cry for a dodges nerf

So many evades and yet the one who gets pushed out of the meta the hardest.. That’s because 1 cc is enough to kill it. That’s why prolly thieves got the evades.

You expect the squishiest spec of all to facetank, like all the rest of this meta does?
Be glad thieves “only” have evades, and not 4s taunt/daze + invuln/blocks and ultra heals.

Look at the image.

The situation was the following:
The Amber guy was permanently DC, he never even came at start of match.

Amber guy with Ruby? Wtf?
Permanent DC, even at start aswel??

AND EVEN LOST A kittenING PIP FOR IT?
Wow, you’re the ones making this game really toxic Anet.

Cynz.9437:

Terrorsquad.4802:

BuungBuung.2168:

We must be spent 3-4 to kill 1 bunker to capture point
We have been hit 4000 by Rev’s auto attack
We have been hit by pet’s of full healing Druid around 4000-6000
We have been hit by True Shot(4 seconds cooldown) of Dragon Hunter around 4000-7000
Rev Taunt …?
Rev Confusion and torment more than 10 stacks
Daredevil evade….how many times ?

If you have issues with daredevil in this meta… I have no words for it, sorry.

well to be fair, dd is obnoxious and probably would need some toning down if other elites would get nerfed~

not saying that dd is OP but compared to vanilla thief… yea~

I would agree only if bunkers/meta across the board gets nerfed.

Warrs and Thieves need to get back in, be it vanilla or specialization.

Leaving 2 classes out of a meta is quite sad

BuungBuung.2168:

We must be spent 3-4 to kill 1 bunker to capture point
We have been hit 4000 by Rev’s auto attack
We have been hit by pet’s of full healing Druid around 4000-6000
We have been hit by True Shot(4 seconds cooldown) of Dragon Hunter around 4000-7000
Rev Taunt …?
Rev Confusion and torment more than 10 stacks
Daredevil evade….how many times ?

If you have issues with daredevil in this meta… I have no words for it, sorry.

I agree here, Legendary is smaller and uglier. Who wants Legendary badge when you can get a shiny Diamond!

SHINE BRIGHT LIKE A DIAMOND

No, the leaderboards should stay. I love it, gives me a way to analyze stuff when I’m eating etc.

Hopefully something will be done about the huge amount of CC available/used at this moment.

Tactic is to permanently shut down an enemy by cc’ing it to death while dps.

The record of CC’s in few seconds were 8 on me, werent even premades.
The other way counts aswel, we can cc a target to death aswel but its just boring and not fair, has nothing to do with pvp tbh.

Diminishing Returns + lowering cc durations is a must, imo (taunt on Rev by swap wep, 4s daze druid + daze on swap, daze per trap on DH etc etc…)

Impact.2780:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Leeto.1570:

no im just posting some random screenshots from runescape

Nice try but looking at the class-symbols this was a very long time ago, when thieves were actually still in the meta.

Don’t try to hide it because everyone with an eye for details will see the engineer symbol left upper-corner is very old.

PS: wasnt it then every necro was running power? Means you’re squishy?

Nice spot. It’s still do-able though, just rare because in this bunker meta everything has protection and a number of damage mitigation passives.

This was with DA/Trick/DD, with Executioner.

On a Marauder Scrapper.. :p
Don’t think it will get that high vs any bunker, maybe max 7-8k, would be my guess

Also please stop the time when we’re in queue.. Some have 10 mins queue >_>

Here they are: http://strawpoll.me/6407529/

Feel free to still vote if you hadn’t yet, though.

Cheers

Yup, looking at Pro Leagues stream alone, its quite cancerous to watch..

Almost no EU game comes to a 500-point ending, just because this meta is superduper stalemate.

Leeto.1570:

no im just posting some random screenshots from runescape

Nice try but looking at the class-symbols this was a very long time ago, when thieves were actually still in the meta.

Don’t try to hide it because everyone with an eye for details will see the engineer symbol left upper-corner is very old.

PS: wasnt it then every necro was running power? Means you’re squishy?

Supreme.3164:

The fact that reaper and daredevil are almost never mentioned it’s why anet doesn’t bother with forums and only aim to balance the game around pro league.
I mean the OP of this thread is a thief, 60% of the replies are from necros

Why would anyone mention Daredevils?
Me, as a thief, I honestly believe thief shouldnt be buffed or nerfed. The rest is just overwhelming atm and does thief’s job better for less cost.

Also I believe Pro League will indeed be a good example of whats happening, looking at the last EU Pro League’s stream. It was boring, stalemate and barely matches ending with a 500-count.

This will also be in favor for Warriors and Thieves as there arent any in the Pro League.

And yes, Im a thief, feeling useless mostly but still spamming my Vault

MailMail.6534:

Terrorsquad.4802:

MailMail.6534:

Terrorsquad.4802:

- Bunker Mesmer (too much pressure while sustaining 2v1 at the same time, even if the point isnt not in its favor, it can keep 2-3 enemies busy. Turret Engi 3.0)

This scenario sounds REALLY idiotic. Worse off, I can’t say I’m surprised to see statements like this. Why are 2-3 people keeping a bunker Mesmer busy on a neutral point?

Because my statement is based in general situations, not only the experienced environment. We both know u could leave 1 player on that point contesting but new/average players, which is a big part of the community, dont know.

Your statement is significantly more adverse to Mesmer balance, because simply having 3 clones is kitten OP for newer players. Mesmer, no matter how much you nerf it, will always be a hard class to fight against if you’re new.

Also, if we’re still using your “general situation”, your statement applies to ANY bunker that is capable of handling 2-3 enemies at one time. Not just Mesmer bunkers.

Exactly, but this is top 3 so I picked the 3 most OP in my opinion.
Not rly sure where you’re trying to go with this but this isnt rly the right thread to discuss it.

MailMail.6534:

Terrorsquad.4802:

- Bunker Mesmer (too much pressure while sustaining 2v1 at the same time, even if the point isnt not in its favor, it can keep 2-3 enemies busy. Turret Engi 3.0)

This scenario sounds REALLY idiotic. Worse off, I can’t say I’m surprised to see statements like this. Why are 2-3 people keeping a bunker Mesmer busy on a neutral point?

Because my statement is based in general situations, not only the experienced environment. We both know u could leave 1 player on that point contesting but new/average players, which is a big part of the community, dont know.

Thats why I said Turret Engi 3.0, because they got nerfed due the big part of the community couldnt handle it.

Mine would be:

- Monthly balance fixes (only takes a day to get used to changes)
- Build Templates
- Spectating other Ranked Games (Any chat locked and with delay of min 20s)
- Game Modes like 1v1/3v3 Arenas with Leaderboard/Ranking
- Diminishing Returns on CC’s

What’s yours?

Liquicity.3621:

I Don’t exactly want them to nerf any of the classes perse. I don’t trust them at this point with math.

If they change numbers around in a vacuum we are just going to get the last “season:” revisited with different “Meta” teams.

TL:DR- Everything should have a weakness. Game design is about the interplay of those strengths and weaknesses. Good interplay is what balance is. Bunkers are meant to be busted.

Thats the thing; bunkers are too bunky at this very moment. They have little to no counter except for being zerged upon, which is exactly playing in the bunker its hands..

lighter.2708:

auramancer, scrapper, bunker mesmer, rev downstate, cele druid,

also nerf all the free-stab and CC spam seriously..if you play warrior, you will realize that everyone has these free stab that you can’t land any highly telegraphed CC and everyone also spam tons of long duration CCs you simply don’t have enough stab as a warrior..and everyone has insane amount of healing protection w/e and even if they die, everyone just use freaking insane mobility to get away.. it’s so hard to kill, the match is going so slow..and so boring..

yup, its boring because everyone is so tanky, even when wearing Marauder amulet its insane..

A 4 second long AoE daze on short-cd is way too long, certainly if not all specs/classes have stunbreakers to throw around in this cc-fest.

A 4s AoE daze should never even have excisted in the first place.

Remove it.

Belial.9350:

Do the opposite of everything your customers say because the customer is never right.

And they’ll just to the opposite you say, I guess? :p

Belial.9350:

Terrorsquad.4802:

- Bunker Mesmer (too much pressure while sustaining 2v1 at the same time, even if the point isnt not in its favor, it can keep 2-3 enemies busy. Turret Engi 3.0)

Now I’m not saying bunker mesmer is balanced, but your reasoning makes no sense. Bunker mesmer can’t even 1v1 a viper rev and will die in any 1v2 situation 1v2 unless the 2 players are either both bunkers (2 bunkers will never kill any decent bunker) or just really bad players.

You need to see the discussion as a general one; not only for experienced players.
Every single match I’m in, facing bunker mesmers, I see atleast 2 sometimes 3 people fight on a point vs 1 Bunker Mesmer.

This was the exact same thing with Turret Engi’s, because they were able to keep the new to average players with them and let his team outnumber the opponents team elsewhere, just because the Turret Engi couldnt die.

This is what I mean; bunker mesmers are turret engi 3.0 just for that fact.

Mine is:

- Revenant (both DPS and Condition)
- Bunker Mesmer (too much pressure while sustaining 2v1 at the same time, even if the point isnt in its favor, it can keep 2-3 enemies busy. Turret Engi 3.0)
- DH (too many cc’s on trap)

I agree with everything on the list. This meta is ultimate braindead afk bunker shet meta.

I’ll keep fighting against this meta.

I also notices more afk’s because of this shet bunker meta.

Velimere.7685:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Velimere.7685:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Velimere.7685:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Velimere.7685:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Velimere.7685:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Velimere.7685:

messiah.1908:

Velimere.7685:

messiah.1908:

who to kill a chronobunker?
just dont
if he alone contest a point he cant support his team. so take 1 ally to have eyes on him like rev or thief (class with good mobility) – fight 4v5 on other point if the mesmer leaves than fast decap/cap freely
also 1 person should pressure him even if he cant kill him it cant ruine his shatter or rotations. if he use wop great cant contest
if the point uncontested great for you as he cant bunker the point on his terms (but he can use more freely wop for his team)

This gave me a good laugh. Bunker Mesmers take Portal in order to protect points while matching numbers across the map or to force the other team to effectively fight 4v5 across the map instead.

Good luck doing this to a good Bunker Mesmer when he has a skill with the sole purpose of doing it to you way easier and faster instead.

than check your team dmg and sustain. as lets say thief try to decap and mesmer now fight you 4v5 mid. as long as your team burst is fast and good you will be manage to down in 3 sec anyone. now the mesmer need to think should i port back to contest or res.

as you see the problem is not with mesmer or portal. again 2/3 of bunker mesmer trait line was before HOT. only wells and chrono trait line with just alacrity came. if its make bunker mes op than it should make power mes op or condi mes op . and it doesnt!.
the problem ppl still dont learn how to rotate and focus fire fast.
when oyu had bunker guard sitting on point you just ignore it . you could see power mes with portal port him to other point and didnt complain.

all i am saying now the problem is not with mesmer. rather with other class who can do dmg and sustain and support like ele, engi and druid (little bit) while full dmg dealer cant handle them like thief, power mes, etc…
when you see more balance in the power/sustain creep you will see more diversity and less bunkering a point

From what little I can understand of your post, I’m starting to think we’re not even playing at the same level here. In the first place, I don’t even run into Thieves at high MMR diamond division where I constantly end up facing ESL premades.

I did beat Caed back when I was in sapphire division, though. That was pretty easy.

Eh, bit weird to say it was easy when you only got 10 points from a whole game. He might have farmed you the whole game and your team might’ve carried you..

I called strats that entire game as I do most of my games, and my general role is to contest far either by direct presence or via Portal plays. As per many people having to had reiterate in another thread, bunkers are generally at the bottom of the scoreboard as was the case for both of us in this particular match as well as most matches we play.

I only died once that entire game which was at the end there. Caed was on me most of it.

That particular game, they managed to get the full-cap on their home node as Caed slowed me down in crossing, so I just walked onto the point, dropped Portal Entre, and proceeded to walk up to the mid fight with him tickling me the entire way. Once we were set to win that fight, I activated Portal Exeunt to go for the decap, their Mesmer did the same to prevent it, and Caed followed through as well. I immediately took my portal back to the mid fight, waited until the last second, and then took it again right before both of our portals closed allowing me to sit uncontested on their home node getting the decap before the enemy teammates started spawning again. The rest was simply history.

Mind you, this was the second match we beat Caed that day. The first match we beat him was on Khylo, and we used the exact same strategy on that map as well for easy victory.

Your focus on personal score also suggests that you and I don’t play on the same level.

Not to burst your bubble but even afk’ing on a point would make you atleast 20-30 points depending if they’re fighting there or not.

By saying I’m someone who says “180 points means you’re better than someone with 70 points” is wrong and means you don’t get my point. I’m way beyond that level as I played support guard very long myself, being (mostly) one of the last in individual score; no matter how much conditions I cleansed or blocked for my team..

Not to burst your bubble, but Caed kept me from scoring as much as I invalidated his entire role in that match. I’d drop my Portal Entre, make my way to the team fight on the next node, drop my support on the node, and then take my Portal Exeunt back as Caed would walk onto my node in an attempt to decap me. In the end, my strategy against him gave my team an easy victory in both matches where we faced him.

I’m not quite sure why you’re attacking me here, but you’re doing a very bad job of it.

Dont get your hopes up, if I wanted to attack you, I would.
I quoted you on the fact because you said playing vs Caed was ez game while you only have 10 points.

Even if you done just support in teamfights as you said, you should atleast have more points for tagging enemies who died, in the fights you supported.

That’s where I’m getting at.

10 points is extremely low, even for support/contesting.
Maybe you dc’ed for a while and came back later and that would explain it.

I don’t have any hopes or expectations for someone who’s pathetically attempting to put me down based on pure assumption and conjecture as per his own subjective opinion about something he was never present for to begin with. That’s nothing short of idiocy.

In case you hadn’t noticed, our other bunker only scored 5 more points than me thanks to a single kill, and that’s because he was constantly having to portal back to the home node which he was safeguarding with his own placed Portal Entre. Playing Bunker Chronmancer right means you’re still generally matching numbers across the map.

Sorry, but your all but outright stated ignorance about how the current meta works speaks nothing positive about you as a learned PvP player. Holding the 2-cap is far more important than tagging enemies for kills or even getting kills to begin with. Get a clue.

Calling someone being subjective as someone who’s also making subjective posts…
Feels like Im stuck vs bunkers on forum..

Every post you seem to make on this forum period is subjective. I highly doubt you would know objectivity even were it to hit you over the head. What I stated was far more a matter of fact than it was an educated observation. What’s more, your cop-out generalized reply follows the format of someone who doesn’t have a leg left to stand on.

Cheers!

It actually means I dont want to bother to someone being as subjective as me, calling himself objective with so called “facts” we see nothing about.

We’re both being subjective here in this thread.
Also the fact you doubt that I know what “objective” means is also pure subjective and speculation.
Unless you know me in r/l but you don’t (objective statement)

Facts are facts regardless of whether or not you can see them. The fact of the matter is that you were attempting to put me down by making negative assumptions about something you know absolutely nothing about. The fact is that’s a stupid thing to do seeing as you have no ethos to stand on in assuming such.

The fact is that my other Bunker Chronomancer did, in fact, only score 5 more points than me. The fact is that playing Bunker Chronomancer properly is that you are using portal plays to generally match numbers across the map.

The fact is that holding a 2-cap in this bunker meta is more important than going around tagging enemies for kills or even getting kills to begin with.

The fact is that I stated more facts than mere speculation in the very post you wrote off.

Speculation concerning your inability to discern and apply objectivity? More like educated opinion that you force other people to have about you due to what you yourself intentionally communicate for nothing short of instigating pejorative discourse.

You kind of left out the other stuff you said which were subjective but ok.
I wont bother anymore with you, w/e floats your boat.

Bunker mesmer 100% fine and game vs Caed was ezpz. 100% objective.

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who to kill a chronobunker?
just dont
if he alone contest a point he cant support his team. so take 1 ally to have eyes on him like rev or thief (class with good mobility) – fight 4v5 on other point if the mesmer leaves than fast decap/cap freely
also 1 person should pressure him even if he cant kill him it cant ruine his shatter or rotations. if he use wop great cant contest
if the point uncontested great for you as he cant bunker the point on his terms (but he can use more freely wop for his team)

This gave me a good laugh. Bunker Mesmers take Portal in order to protect points while matching numbers across the map or to force the other team to effectively fight 4v5 across the map instead.

Good luck doing this to a good Bunker Mesmer when he has a skill with the sole purpose of doing it to you way easier and faster instead.

than check your team dmg and sustain. as lets say thief try to decap and mesmer now fight you 4v5 mid. as long as your team burst is fast and good you will be manage to down in 3 sec anyone. now the mesmer need to think should i port back to contest or res.

as you see the problem is not with mesmer or portal. again 2/3 of bunker mesmer trait line was before HOT. only wells and chrono trait line with just alacrity came. if its make bunker mes op than it should make power mes op or condi mes op . and it doesnt!.
the problem ppl still dont learn how to rotate and focus fire fast.
when oyu had bunker guard sitting on point you just ignore it . you could see power mes with portal port him to other point and didnt complain.

all i am saying now the problem is not with mesmer. rather with other class who can do dmg and sustain and support like ele, engi and druid (little bit) while full dmg dealer cant handle them like thief, power mes, etc…
when you see more balance in the power/sustain creep you will see more diversity and less bunkering a point

From what little I can understand of your post, I’m starting to think we’re not even playing at the same level here. In the first place, I don’t even run into Thieves at high MMR diamond division where I constantly end up facing ESL premades.

I did beat Caed back when I was in sapphire division, though. That was pretty easy.

Eh, bit weird to say it was easy when you only got 10 points from a whole game. He might have farmed you the whole game and your team might’ve carried you..

I called strats that entire game as I do most of my games, and my general role is to contest far either by direct presence or via Portal plays. As per many people having to had reiterate in another thread, bunkers are generally at the bottom of the scoreboard as was the case for both of us in this particular match as well as most matches we play.

I only died once that entire game which was at the end there. Caed was on me most of it.

That particular game, they managed to get the full-cap on their home node as Caed slowed me down in crossing, so I just walked onto the point, dropped Portal Entre, and proceeded to walk up to the mid fight with him tickling me the entire way. Once we were set to win that fight, I activated Portal Exeunt to go for the decap, their Mesmer did the same to prevent it, and Caed followed through as well. I immediately took my portal back to the mid fight, waited until the last second, and then took it again right before both of our portals closed allowing me to sit uncontested on their home node getting the decap before the enemy teammates started spawning again. The rest was simply history.

Mind you, this was the second match we beat Caed that day. The first match we beat him was on Khylo, and we used the exact same strategy on that map as well for easy victory.

Your focus on personal score also suggests that you and I don’t play on the same level.

Not to burst your bubble but even afk’ing on a point would make you atleast 20-30 points depending if they’re fighting there or not.

By saying I’m someone who says “180 points means you’re better than someone with 70 points” is wrong and means you don’t get my point. I’m way beyond that level as I played support guard very long myself, being (mostly) one of the last in individual score; no matter how much conditions I cleansed or blocked for my team..

Not to burst your bubble, but Caed kept me from scoring as much as I invalidated his entire role in that match. I’d drop my Portal Entre, make my way to the team fight on the next node, drop my support on the node, and then take my Portal Exeunt back as Caed would walk onto my node in an attempt to decap me. In the end, my strategy against him gave my team an easy victory in both matches where we faced him.

I’m not quite sure why you’re attacking me here, but you’re doing a very bad job of it.

Dont get your hopes up, if I wanted to attack you, I would.
I quoted you on the fact because you said playing vs Caed was ez game while you only have 10 points.

Even if you done just support in teamfights as you said, you should atleast have more points for tagging enemies who died, in the fights you supported.

That’s where I’m getting at.

10 points is extremely low, even for support/contesting.
Maybe you dc’ed for a while and came back later and that would explain it.

I don’t have any hopes or expectations for someone who’s pathetically attempting to put me down based on pure assumption and conjecture as per his own subjective opinion about something he was never present for to begin with. That’s nothing short of idiocy.

In case you hadn’t noticed, our other bunker only scored 5 more points than me thanks to a single kill, and that’s because he was constantly having to portal back to the home node which he was safeguarding with his own placed Portal Entre. Playing Bunker Chronmancer right means you’re still generally matching numbers across the map.

Sorry, but your all but outright stated ignorance about how the current meta works speaks nothing positive about you as a learned PvP player. Holding the 2-cap is far more important than tagging enemies for kills or even getting kills to begin with. Get a clue.

Calling someone being subjective as someone who’s also making subjective posts…
Feels like Im stuck vs bunkers on forum..

Every post you seem to make on this forum period is subjective. I highly doubt you would know objectivity even were it to hit you over the head. What I stated was far more a matter of fact than it was an educated observation. What’s more, your cop-out generalized reply follows the format of someone who doesn’t have a leg left to stand on.

Cheers!

It actually means I dont want to bother to someone being as subjective as me, calling himself objective with so called “facts” we see nothing about.

We’re both being subjective here in this thread.
Also the fact you doubt that I know what “objective” means is also pure subjective and speculation.
Unless you know me in r/l but you don’t (objective statement)

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Chrono Bunker got hit very hard with an emergency nerf and it will die rapidly to the constant interrupt from say.. DH or rev. This is a L2P issue.

Bunker mesmer has too many blocks, invulns and evades to be even a L2P issue. This is exact the same when people were complaining about S/D thief in 2014 “SO MANY EVADES OPOPOP” and now its the same with mesmers but seems ppl are protecting it now..

Seems most are enjoying this boring meta.. Sad.

people are protecting bunker Mesmer? It got hit with a nerf, however DS ele continues to dominate. Funny how you are cool with that.

Ehhh; Im not cool with ANY bunker shet in this meta. All can go to hell for me as none of them requires skill of any kind.

Well they cannot kill anything either (supposedly… and for sure it’s not my bunker mesmer who’ll be able to kill something… not even that daredevil)… so it’s a fair tradeoff.
Brainless, but unable to kill and standing on point… 4v5 for the other team, fair trade all in all… I do agree that current meta is cancer, but bunker as a whole are not a problem in themselves

If that’s fair, with the current meta, everyone can just play 5 bunkers and win, cuz opponents need atleast 3 guys to take 1 out.

The current bunker meta (except for necro) allows them to also have very good mobility so outrotating is hard.

The current bunker scene kittens on any DPS except for suicidal Daredevil with Staff spamming Vault (and OP DPS Rev ofc), which dies in 3 hits..

No, bunkers are not fine at this moment imo.