Guild Wars 2

eyesrutherford.1357:

@Terrorsquad.4802

For the druid bristleback problem. It’s dealing too much damage because instead of spike barrage hitting 15 times like in the description, it actually is hitting 20 times. Which in turn is giving the attack 25% more damage than its supposed to

I know but think about it; even with 25% reduced it would still be too much. It would still hit 7.500k+ depending if Pet got fury from the swap after the cd from trait is over.

The base damage is just too much.

Yashuoa.9527:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Those OP’ness stated above is just making the pvp matches make very toxic. Every team is now running 2 Revenants, 2 Scrappers and an Ele. Great.

Where were those double scrapper teams?

Same here; Why would you think I’m talking about Pro League exclusively?
I’ve come across premades with 2 revs/2 scrappers/1 ele most of the matches (when they were 5/5)

Serval.6458:

Yashuoa.9527:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Those OP’ness stated above is just making the pvp matches make very toxic. Every team is now running 2 Revenants, 2 Scrappers and an Ele. Great.

Where were those double scrapper teams?

The rules only allowed doubling up with a single class, and they chose revenants.

Why would you think Im talking about Pro League?

Azantius.2976:

So I am curious.

Given you clearly watched the matches today and there was a grand total of one druid (and several eles), why do you think this proves druids need nerfs ?

Just as much why Turret Engineer used to have nerfs. Or other specs who didnt even cut it for ESL/Meta. Too much reward for no effort.

How is it fair for a single button (on low cd) hitting over 10k?

I really lack the insight in why people would even support this kind of damage on pet. Unless its the only build in the game they can/want play because of easy 1v1 kills.

The last recent balance did things mostly good but skipped alot of broken facts, for I dont know what reasons.

The things being most OP never got touched and I think today’s show has proven pvp is still missing nerfs.

Let me make a small list of OBVIOUS broken stuff you never even cared about the last and current meta:

- Scrapper’s survivability + dps + gyro’s with passive play (stomp/rez).
All you’ve done is increase some cd’s which were good but still ridiculously low for some reason. It still has too much survivability for the amulet its using. I know you don’t want to make it a dead spec but come on..

- Druid’s Pet DPS; coming from Bristleback specifically. It’s broken as kitten. No idea why, despite ALL the complaints, you let this through. It one-hits any other DPS’er along with 1 daze/stun. Such passive play should NOT be supported.

- Revenant’s Mobility + DPS + survivability. Exact the same as Scrapper but only worse. I know you’ve toned down the damage. You can leave the DPS the same all I care but do something about the survivability and mobility. It’s just ridiculous.

- DH’s elite visual bug. It’s still in the game, like wtf, really? I get knockdown for walking against an invisible wall, over and over for 4 seconds. Traps are already very rewarding and you’re just making it worse by let it have a visual “invisible” bug.

Those OP’ness stated above is just making the pvp matches make very toxic. Every team is now running 2 Revenants, 2 Scrappers and an Ele. Great.

I really hope the 23rd of February you’re going to tone down the passive-play in the above mentioned topics.

I wish for the day I can play both my mains again; thief & warrior without the feeling the match is lost because I’m playing I class I want but being mostly useless due the broken stuff around.

Don’t wait 4 kittening months for really simple, small stuff.
I swear, alot of ppl will lose their minds and just quit the game again and wait till next balance patch like I did with the previous meta.

Don’t be lazy, I beg of you.

It seems when BnS came out, you’re delibrately pushing ppl away from this game towards BnS.

- Bad balance yet again: It seems every balance patch you seem to play heads and tail to decide which class should be OP again and which should (remain) garbage. What is your goal when it comes to balance? What kind of fights do you want us to do?

- Bad matchmaking: not to mention Unranked. This is so disgusting and frustrating. Premades vs Solo’rs (still? Are you kidding me?), facing high ranked when I shouldnt (stop putting very good players with bad players; be it opponents or our own team. Thats just wrong)
I understand the numbers of pvp’ers went down drastically (its quite obvious for anyone, unless you’re blind) but I would like to wait a minute or 2 more than being put vs premades (or 2/3 parties) with ppl much better or worse than me in my own team. We can’t simply work together as we’re not on the same level. Same counts for opponents ofcourse.

- Stream Activity: we can all agree GW2 PvP is slowly dying out as more and more favid GW2 streamers are leaving GW2. Docgotgame, TapDatMouse, Helseth (at times), and many others I dont rly care about but its quite obvious when watching the stream-numbers every single day. Isn’t that a sign, Anet? Instead of waiting (still) so long for every balance patch, you might invest more time researching and bring more balance patches untill you hit the nail. Because right now all you’re hitting is your own hand with every balance patch.

I suggest for once bringing back the PvP stream GW2 with Grouch. It won’t bring back all the people but it will bring some comfort carrying over more and more updates, for PvP’ers.

GW2 is still one of the best games I’ve played so far but it seems due its balance its falling behind.

I really wish you could revert back to the HamBow meta. Everything was viable back then and every build was fun. That was the golden age of GW2 PvP.

Think the best way is the implent back HamBow Meta and start over from there.
Actually no, keep it HamBow meta.

Still the best.

“Perma evade DD Thief can bunker 5 people..”

Haha lol.

So just because a weaponset is better than another weaponset you personally love more, it needs to be nerfed?

Then we can nerf all weapons on all classes, cant we?
Just ask for D/D buff, not d/p nerf.

Hambow meta, best meta:
- Support Shout Guard
- Soldier HamBow Warrior
- Rabid P/S Engi
- Cleric Staff Ele
- Berserker D/P Thief
- Berserker Shatter Staff/GS Mesmer
- Rabid Spirit Ranger (or Settlers)
- Rabid Condi Necro

Those were the days.. (before Cele)

It’s funny to see ppl think Thieves will just auto attack u to death.
Clearly no1 here plays thief, or atleast at a decent level.

Revenant has way more survivability (vs straight dps) than a thief. It’s only logical their AA or any dps should be lower.

If you think by just AA’ing golems and see high numbers the class is OP, try to keep the auto-attack chain up in decent PvP matches.

I can guarantee you won’t live long enough.

The AA is very strong for cleave, though.

I think I know what the problem is: ppl got lazy and got spoiled over bunker meta.
Now they actually need to dodge. Oh wait, RIP energy sigil.

Well, that’s for playing OP builds for couple of months. I’m glad I always sticked to DPS builds

I’m actually quite surprised aswel. They normally always put up a balancenote first with numbers but now..

Phaeton.9582:

Because it would be the go-to for lameness if they just removed cele+soldiers

+1, thats exactly what I thought.

Sadrien.3470:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Ithilwen.1529:

ANET chose to strip the vast majority of Mesmer defense. Offensive power was also greatly reduced ( 50% Alacrity nerf .)

At the same time they buffed thief auto attack by 30%. This alone would have meant that a thief pulling off a backstab would most likely be able to kill a Mesmer in 1 or 2 moves.

That wasn’t enough though.. ANET added an unblockable bassy venom. This makes the Mesmer shield ( our new weapon ) essentially worthless v. a thief. With the damage increase, a thief can practically kill a Mesmer with a very short combination of button pushes with almost no risk.

I doubt that even shortsighted ANET could have failed to anticipate this situation and it is likely to kick Mesmer right back to trash tier where we languished for years.

So, my question is; “Why do you hate mesmer , ANET?”

Are you taking revenge on a Pro League Mesmer?

Is it office politics at ANET?

Do you simply not want Mesmer in the game?

ANET won’t answer of course, that would require both courage and honesty.

Like, honestly, all I read is “oh no, someone can finally counter/pressure me a bit”..

Your afk-brainfart times are over, friend.

If this is really denied that is pretty sad….. you have fallen really far.

I’ve fallen nowhere.
The fact mesmers are so broken right now and thieves are fodder, just doesnt add up why ppl are complaining about Mesmers being “oh so weak” while the patch aint even out.

I saw no1 here standing up for thieves and/or warriors. On the contrary.

Yes, thief is getting auto-attack buff, woohoo, now we can.. auto attack ourselves to death in AoE’s.. Acrobatics with new trait? Forget it. Not going to be better than the lines we use now. (atleast with the information provided for now)

Yes I want every class balanced, ofcourse.
But I just can’t stand ppl who are trying to save a broken class, just because it let them get into Legendary League or win so many matches while sleeping.

And call other ppl bad, on top of it.

Sadrien.3470:

Lusteregris.2697:

Cmon, your saying it like just thieves counter mesmer. All classes are gonna counter mesmer now. I mean..what ya want to play? Shatter? Its already weaker than thief, after balance patch buffing thiefs and nerfing mes even more so. Condi? Good luck with that. Bunker? It was nerfed in literally every possible way, and bunkers are gonna be free kill for necros now anyway.

Sums up mesmer.

Sums up thief this patch, aswel.
Oh, and warriors.

Thieves & Warriors say hi, Helseth.

Ithilwen.1529:

ANET chose to strip the vast majority of Mesmer defense. Offensive power was also greatly reduced ( 50% Alacrity nerf .)

At the same time they buffed thief auto attack by 30%. This alone would have meant that a thief pulling off a backstab would most likely be able to kill a Mesmer in 1 or 2 moves.

That wasn’t enough though.. ANET added an unblockable bassy venom. This makes the Mesmer shield ( our new weapon ) essentially worthless v. a thief. With the damage increase, a thief can practically kill a Mesmer with a very short combination of button pushes with almost no risk.

I doubt that even shortsighted ANET could have failed to anticipate this situation and it is likely to kick Mesmer right back to trash tier where we languished for years.

So, my question is; “Why do you hate mesmer , ANET?”

Are you taking revenge on a Pro League Mesmer?

Is it office politics at ANET?

Do you simply not want Mesmer in the game?

ANET won’t answer of course, that would require both courage and honesty.

Like, honestly, all I read is “oh no, someone can finally counter/pressure me a bit”..

Your afk-brainfart times are over, friend.

Daroon.1736:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Daroon.1736:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Woah, a 2-3 days ban from PvP due DC (lets say ISP problem) is way too overboard.
1 hour should be more sufficient.

Either a problem on ISP’s end or rage, 1 hour cooldown is good.

1 hour is not good – it should be a meaningful period.

If someone has ‘issues’ that cause them to rage quit often, then I would suggest that playing pvp probably isn’t good for them and removing them for a fairly lengthy period would be in their best interests.

If someone has Internet connection problems, then they shouldn’t be playing Ranked.

And how would they know if they have connection issues before it happens? If it happens, it happens.
Also, mostly it’s not even client-side problem, but server side.

What you’re asking, is not possible, to know something before it happens. Especially with any online game, you can get kicked from server out of nowhere.

I’ve had periods where I’ve had Internet connectivity problems in the past which were ongoing, intermittent but persistent and anyone who has similar issues will be aware of them and can choose (like I did) not to play Ranked until they have contacted their ISP and got the issue sorted.

Like everyone, I do still get the very occasional modem DC and if the rules were that I got a 2-3 day ban when it happened – I would be happy to accept it because the game would be in a much better state.

As to server side disconnects or client crashes – Anet can easily determine if this is the reason and take no action.

I bet you wouldnt be happy if your modem dc’s once every few months and it just happens in a game. 3 day ban because of bad luck is very wrong and punishing.

Also no, server kicks/dc are also counted as “DC” in logs, unless they start scripting the results of the logs to see the difference and automate the ban depending on results.

Unless they ban manually, which they won’t.

Coolguy is suddenly less cool.

Oslaf Beinir.5842:

when i play condi necro i usually get about 350k condi damage…but on power and viper rev…lol 700k-850k

Weird, guildies of mine had 700k – 1kk condi damage from some games a week ago on Necro..

Also, It’s not like Revenant is anything that should be compared to atm.

Daroon.1736:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Woah, a 2-3 days ban from PvP due DC (lets say ISP problem) is way too overboard.
1 hour should be more sufficient.

Either a problem on ISP’s end or rage, 1 hour cooldown is good.

1 hour is not good – it should be a meaningful period.

If someone has ‘issues’ that cause them to rage quit often, then I would suggest that playing pvp probably isn’t good for them and removing them for a fairly lengthy period would be in their best interests.

If someone has Internet connection problems, then they shouldn’t be playing Ranked.

And how would they know if they have connection issues before it happens? If it happens, it happens.
Also, mostly it’s not even client-side problem, but server side.

What you’re asking, is not possible, to know something before it happens. Especially with any online game, you can get kicked from server out of nowhere.

Shirlias.8104:

Here’s a question: how can you determinate the disconnection’s cause?

Personally, i doubt you can make a script which “prove” that you had a legit disc or not ( maybe am i wrong? ).

Btw it will be something like 3/5 disc over 3 days.
I think, if your connection is ok, it can happens 1 time per week ( talking about spvp, not wvw events or massive events which can cause your game to crash ).

Otherwhise simply you shouldn’t play ranked, cause is better to let 4 ppl to enjoy a game than 1. Unless you have a premade ofc.

Well, there is a way through logs if player dc’s from internet or player closed the game.

But there’s an easy to by-pass this aswel by just unplugging your Ethernet cable, sadly.

Woah, a 2-3 days ban from PvP due DC (lets say ISP problem) is way too overboard.
1 hour should be more sufficient.

Either a problem on ISP’s end or rage, 1 hour cooldown is good.

Agemnon.4608:

Rebound.3409:

U have teleport as an ele also

The ele teleport also can’t make you trivially travel between points and even has LoS issues at times.

Thieves say “hi”.

Extreme.8350:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Extreme.8350:

You cant nerf mesmer without nerfing ranger try killing ranger bunker with any mesmer build you wont be able to do it.

Thats.. because… its a bunker >_>
You can’t kill any bunker 1v1…

Yea i’sent that exactly why they want mesmer nerfed ?

Because its broken, together with other elite specs like Druid, Tempest, Scrapper en Revenant…
I think it’s very obvious its broken and too rewarding for close to no input.

Extreme.8350:

You cant nerf mesmer without nerfing ranger try killing ranger bunker with any mesmer build you wont be able to do it.

Thats.. because… its a bunker >_>
You can’t kill any bunker 1v1…

Not to mention Quickness stomps.. Those bug 70-80% of the time while Quickness rez always succeed.. >_>

Honestly, as a Main Thief, I have no problem with Ele’s AoE’s…

I cannot grasp why a Mesmer would have any problems as they have skills which allows them to stay on the point + cleans/heal from allies in teamfights..

However, Ele and Mesmer do need to be toned down a bit, together with rev, scrapper and Druid.

Amber facing Legendaries or Legendaries put with Ambers?

Working as intented as Evan said they fixed it.

apharma.3741:

Rebound.3409:

@terrorsquad he’s a mesmer what did u expect. He teleported away fro your point.

Ha ha, I main ele just not in PvP.

Generally adults explain their points if it gets missed instead of putting up memes like they just figured out how to insert pictures. I take it we are all adults here so how’s about going forward and explaining it?

Rebound.3409:

@terrorsquad he’s a mesmer what did u expect. He teleported away fro your point.

Bunker Mesmer and Teleporting?
It’s like asking a turtle to move; they tend to stick to their place and hide in their shell untill fight is over.

apharma.3741:

Terrorsquad.4802:

apharma.3741:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Rome.7124:

SlayerSixx.5763:

Soon, mesmers will feel the thief’s pain and thief will overtake mes with our l33tmlgAAs.

Did you forget pre-HOT metas? Thieves pretty much made many classes non-viable to compete for a spot in the meta. One meta that thief is out and you are happy to play the victim card looking for revenge? You are so clueless.

More than that, Mesmer was subject to OP’thiefness since forever XD

Lol yeah very true.

Before someone comes in and says something, it’s more that everything a thief did countered mesmer. They could keep up with a mesmer easily on all axis especially with Mesmer back then having poor swiftness. Stealth shuts down phantasm and in some cases clone production, clones shattering just stand there picking their noses if you enter stealth. Weapon attacks needing a target to be used, having to spend 30 points back then just to be able to use shatters without a clone up, phantasms having high cast times, list goes on.

Oh yea, it’s not like Condi Necro ever countered any engineer spec pre-HoT, right?
Or back in Cele Meta when every Cele spec could destroy a thief, right?
When Shatter Mesmer was the best 1v1 spec, right?

Cele meta countered nearly everything including the non existent Mesmer at high tier (Helseth is the exception to the rule) so quit acting like a special snowflake.
.

No.

Basically you’re saying MatchMaking is broken?

It’s working as intented.

Rebound.3409:

Oh i think they will still afk.

Ye, those pesky rebels.

apharma.3741:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Rome.7124:

SlayerSixx.5763:

Soon, mesmers will feel the thief’s pain and thief will overtake mes with our l33tmlgAAs.

Did you forget pre-HOT metas? Thieves pretty much made many classes non-viable to compete for a spot in the meta. One meta that thief is out and you are happy to play the victim card looking for revenge? You are so clueless.

More than that, Mesmer was subject to OP’thiefness since forever XD

Lol yeah very true.

Before someone comes in and says something, it’s more that everything a thief did countered mesmer. They could keep up with a mesmer easily on all axis especially with Mesmer back then having poor swiftness. Stealth shuts down phantasm and in some cases clone production, clones shattering just stand there picking their noses if you enter stealth. Weapon attacks needing a target to be used, having to spend 30 points back then just to be able to use shatters without a clone up, phantasms having high cast times, list goes on.

Oh yea, it’s not like Condi Necro ever countered any engineer spec pre-HoT, right?
Or back in Cele Meta when every Cele spec could destroy a thief, right?
When Shatter Mesmer was the best 1v1 spec, right?

Rebound.3409:

shatt build? It was a very good build yet so many of you have been brainwashed by 1 broken build it;s not even funny. You know mesmers are terrible and casuals when all their wins are heavily based on just 1 copy paste build and think it’s the only one that class has to offer.

Please be less of a hypocrite.

So basically you’re denying players to AFK while they play their Bunker spec?

Wow, you’re harsh.

No.

Cynz.9437:

you know i think if devs would get tripple thief on their team every time they do pvp they would actually might try to fix this class for once~

But Cynz, that would imply they play their own game

I do agree with you but there’s a catch; in order to figure out such styles, which at the same time should be viable, they need to test.

Anet doesn’t have the amount of testers, nor do the testers there have a clue about high-level conquest to reproduce on the site.

Basically what I’m saying is they’ll need us as guineapigs to fight out for weeks, like a League season.
Problem on using us as test is that there will always be 1 “style” of meta, like we always had.

So its kind of a vicious circle.
In other words; it’s impossible unless they revert back to the HamBow meta, which seemed the best period of balance and fun in PvP.

Despite ppl calling it a bunker meta, I think everyone right now (except those adoring their faceroll specs now) would be happy to switch back to the HamBow meta.

Every single class, including Ranger, was used in top tier play. (yes, even when ppl called ranger unviable, there were 2 EU top teams using a ranger and winning all their games).

PopeUrban.2578:

Jana.6831:

Btw: Thief has been destroyed in June – the only spec still halfway viable was D/P – doesn’t mean it was good but it can avoid most damage and hadn’t had its core traits nerfed unlike every other thief build.

Let’s not forget that the only reason D/P remains viable is a borderline exploit stealth stacking technique which requires unintuitive camera work and was most certainly not designed to work that way in the first place.

I’m going to quote you on that; that’s not true.
Top Tier thieves won’t waste their initiative on the 4th HS, for that 1 second more stealth.

There are other classes which uses this “unintuitive camera work” or swap wep/kit mid leap to make it shorter to stay on point..

Woah, I don’t feel like playing when seeing this.. :/

2 days till Head Start BnS!

Shadow Dragon.1469:

Two days to lvl that much doesn’t make sense but hey if it’s balanced would be better than this I like my balanced games and who doesn’t like sexy avatars

For people, like me, who already played the game in Alpha, CBT’s and other (released) versions of the game, it will take up to 3-4 days, depending how stable the servers are and the amount of patches they’re going to release.

For people new to BnS, I would say between 4-7 days, depending on same as above + time investment + solo or friends.

Great, now we can auto-attack ourselves to death in teamfights.

Revamping acro is a bit too late, DA/CS offers more utility.

We need survivability against those cc’s. Stability on dodges for instance.

700gems I would MAYBE pay for 15 slots.

Sarrs.4831:

I kinda like them. They’re big, painful AoE effects that you definitely absolutely want to stand out of, when most AoE in the game you don’t really care about.

That’s the point.. They’re too strong because they take too long in pvp..

I agree, Gravity Well and Dragon’s Maw are too strong.

They take too long. Should be atleast halfway shorter for DM, and about 33% on GW.

Kicast.1459:

chibbi.3706:

Momekic.8603:

chibbi.3706:

Momekic.8603:

chibbi.3706:

Man, why do we hear thief players complaining so much when there are 2 other classes that are worse than thief.

Lol, what? What 2 classes do you think are worse than thief?

Warrior and thief are pretty much even in the bottom tier. Im really just curious what other class you think is weak, because all other classes are strong at the moment compared to these two.

Daredevil is better than both DH and warrior.

Cynz.9437:

you are welcome to make thread for warriors… i personally yet have to see anyone cry rivers about having warrior on team though

This is just an example but : http://puu.sh/mi4YQ/4f6fbd49b3.jpg

kitten like this happen all the time.

You cant seriously believe thief/dd is in any way better than DH. DH can take a thief out while going afk on point. A thief has great mobility, sure, but DH just makes them explode no matter if you are on point or off point and in range of their long bow.

In othet words….You must be super terrible if you actually think DH is anywhere bear as bad as thief/dd

It just baffles me how people are this blind or just this bad at the game

DH are completely gimmicky, they have no mobility what so ever, are extremely easy to focus down and most of their damage is extremely predictable and counterable. It’s only good against bad players.
DD have extreme mobility, very good mostly unavoidable burst, are hard to take down due to their mobility and dodges, utility with team stealth, an elite that’s very good at finishing people off.
But yeah, you have to be better at the game to play DD than to play DH, so I return you the “compliment” : you must be super terrible at the game.

Also, a class winning against another in 1v1 doesn’t make them better than said class. I win 100% of my 1v1 vs tempest as warrior, warrior better than tempest confirmed ?

Thieves have always been used to be top dog on mobility survivability and single target burst. This has always been true to such a level that all zerker specs but medi guards have been obliterated and pushed out of meta. The only thing that was positive in hot balance is that you have1 counter to thieves now(rev are a good tradeoff for mobility and is not destroyed in 1v1). The thieves community is obviously not used o be countered and does not acept it. This is why there is so much noise on their state.
To be honnest warriors and guardians are in a much weaker state.

Top dog on single target burst? Clearly u never played Shatter Mesmer/DPS Guard pre-HoT.. Thief doesnt get countered by Revs in this meta; it gets countered by random aoe by every single class but Warriors.

If you don’t play thief, then you can’t possibly know the issues.

Sorel.4870:

Lol Eraz, thanks for sharing, but your stream is terrible.

That being said, you get almost nothing from crit strikes (and especially from No Quarter) if you play Pack Runes. Play Scholar or just play Deadly Arts.

too bad he doesnt have any past broadcast so I could witness it :p

inb4 removed due verbally abusing sheep :>

Schurge.5194:

@Vieux P @Cynz

Lets break it down.

Guild Wars 2
– PvP requires absolutely no investment from the player.
– There is no way to gain a stat advantage over other players.

Blade and Soul
– Requires player investment to PvP (grinding to max level to PvP).
– PvP is secondary. Their English website advertises dueling and that’s it. It is news to me they even have organized PvP much less the much vaunted “solo que.”

- I wouldnt call 3 days playing “grinding to max level”, because yes, that’s all it takes to be lv45.
- If its news to you they have organized PvP then you did not do any research. BnS has been in the esports scene in Korea, China and Japan since 2013. I cannot believe if you even searched, it wouldn’t be found.

BnS excists out of 1v1 and 3v3 arenas, you can queue Solo or as a party through Team Queue’ing. The game also has leagues; Bronze Star, Silver Star and Golden (not sure if there’s any higher since highest on EU/NA Alpha/CBT’s was Gold Star.

Dueling is done outside PvP, in PvE. Here’s where “best gear” wins.
Same with Faction Wars, which is done in an Area found in PvE but its kind of the same as WvW.

Also, rank in the game is based per character, not account.
So basically BnS is even more organised than GW2.

If you want to see organised PvP right now, one of the best BnS PvP’ers is streaming right now: http://www.twitch.tv/lsjjws3