You could have probably ended that second fight much faster if you were running SB. You could have kited him after the initial burst and he wouldn’t have been able to land a CnD, would have gone down after a couple hits. P/D doesn’t have many stealth options outside of heal/SR if they can’t land CnD.
true but again 1v 1 build. and 1 v 50 build :P ive been in EB for 20+ mins while the same zerg of like 25 ish or 30 chased me . hard as hell to get aaway especially with other thieves. i was toying w/ them too but still. i wasnt way far away i was literally in the middle of them
2 very diff builds. when ther is a 1 v 1 area or 2 v 2 custom arenas then d/p will have a place among top buildsw.
what the F is this cheese cheese word u using . every comment in this gw2forum has a word cheese!??
In the multiplayer PC game Starcraft 2, cheese is a tactic or strategy that is considered to be overpowered and is not sportsmanship-like. It is used in a derogatory fashion by players, Youtube commentators, and tournament announcers in South Korea.
The exact classification of cheese can vary, but most forms of cheese are obnoxious “in your face” tactics that annoy the opponent and lead to victory within the first 5 minutes of the game. In general, it is impossible to counter a cheese tactic unless you scout the opponent’s base. Most cheese strategies do not use the game’s intended “combat” units. I.e. the SCV construction unit is intended to harvest minerals, not lead an assault into the enemy base.
Cheese is most commonly seen in the lower brackets of Starcraft 2. Most lower bracket players do not scout and leave themselves vulnerable to cheese. As players become more adept at the game, they begin scouting and will move into higher brackets.
The newer forms of Cheese such as the SCV bunker rush were first used in official South Korean tournaments. The strategies were then posted onto Youtube and copied by American Starcraft players.
- Heartseeker cheese.
Caltrops nerf, duration nerf, makes it hard for condition thief to fight a p/d and d/d burst build. Not surprising.
finally a real clear answer… i played SC1 for 3 years so i know what u talking i guess. yeah caltrops nerf to be more balance i once stepped into his caltrops and then just 20 stacks of raining bleed on me! which is not a gud idea .. gonna evade it nxt time. and in this duel i forgot to change this shadowstep utility. which is useless in 1v1 didn’t use it not even once.
wrong. i mean you could setup a build/traits/armor to fight specifics then in that case he should have changed his build. since his is made to fight lots of people and stay alive and your is made to fight 1-2 and not die. 2 very diff builds . so you should keep your normal setup. bc if i were him id run s/d trap blind SR BV and d/p backup and its 60 40 gg d/p loses. no matter how long u stay blind for a s/d can always get away bc your only real movement is with HS. too risky in larger groups but in 1 v 1 its decent but costs too much Init . 3 vs his 2 to shadow return. then 3 to get you immobilized and BV …idk ive done alot of dueling against d/p. its easy to defeat espcially if u get hit by a HS
while they are loading up on invis.
there is no reason to give a d/p invis thief more than 2.5 secs of invis from skill 5. none. get in the dirty and they will drop invis. guaranteed.
That was the best thief you fought? Are you sure?
WB is good at stomping pugs, but that wasn’t exactly what I would call stellar performance
doom hit it right on the head. i think the is the first 1 v 1 bill had against a d/p. i mean he didnt even stand in the spot where black powder was shot. if he did colosus would have been revealed 4 secs. then time to put some bleeds on. also bills build is MUCH better overall bc d/p gets owned in wvw/zerg play. it fairs ok in spvp but bills can bunker and kill numerous GOOD players! there is No way a D/P palyer can kill THREE or FOUR GOOD or GREAT players. its impossible. you see videos of this bc they are fighting nubs…upscales…or people without CC/anti cc. its horrendous. i run 5 0 30 30 5 in wvw and no zerg can kill me yet i can get in there and put some hell into them. d/p is only good in duels. so until they ad 1 v 1 arenas d/p is barely playable. i run s/d as my fav setup and i wont like d/p is my backup only bc it can use the same trait setup.
not going to tell you guys what to do. but s/d is my love and i really use it every day. 12500 kills on thief in wvw alone. that said. i use 0 30 20 20 0 ….. i run this with certain traits so i can switch to d/p and both builds are viable at the same time!!! i mean if ur in a huge zerg u prolly want SB as backup but anything smaller you want d/p for the blinds and invis attacking. s/d main works just as well. keeping up the intiative so you can keep using infiltrators strike! id say about 40% of all the dmg in s/d comes from infiltrators strike. get em immobilized then 2 hits then repeat. that alot can really get you on the right path. blind on invis…..hidden killer….2 intiative per 10 secs…..infiltrators signet…..remove condis on stealth….50% less fall dmg……extra vitality in crit line…..furiious retaliation . enjoy oh and use the sigils that give something on switching. since i switch alot they help….alot.
Actually any kind of AoE CC or AoE damage will be good counters to D/P stealth stacking since you know exactly where the Thief is when he tries to stack stealth.
You can also easily interrupt the initial Heartseeker after the Thief sets up a smoke field, which will result in the Thief being down 9 initiative and still not stealthed.
In fact, the best counter is simply walking into the smoke field, which gives the Thief 4s revealed if he doesn’t cancel the Heartseeker immediately…
Experienced players who understand how the stacking works tend to perform the latter two counters on me pretty often.
allt he d/p ers are going to be so mad at you now lol good thing im s/d …i do like d/p as a backup but i never invis stack more than once. too risky
If I am honest, I would like to be able to do damage while specing into Tricks and Acrobats as I believe these two lines to be the most interesting (not powerful, just interesting) Having thieves rely on stealth for survivability is silly as it forces us into Shadow Arts, then they nerf stealth… go figure. I have used Mug and it is nice, but again, I believe that relying on this one skills to burst is silly, it should compliment builds not be the basis.
Currently if you spec 10/30/30/0/0 you get more damage and survivability that any build that uses the majority of points in Tricks and Acrobats.
I love the notion of p/p and am getting into sword/dagger and Dagger/pistol (non-stealth variant) but I cannot give up the Shortbow. I like the idea of a mobile thief as opposed to a stealthed thief. But the traits for stealthing is just too strong, remove conditions, blind nearby and self heal.
Currently it would seem that Stealthing is too powerful to a point where you kitten yourself if you don’t take it. having alternatives to the stealth so we are able to pick some of the benefits we get in stealth but in other avenues like dodging removes a condition and leaves a condition field on the floor based on the condition that was stripped. That was just an example…
Additionally P/P needs A LOT of love. I love the feel of the set, but it just does so much less damage than other options. It is also the least slippery of out weapon sets. I would like to see the pistol #4 skill daze nearby enemies, move the player back half the distance of withdraw+ evade so it is a daze, dodge, gap creator. I got this idea from the engi rifle knock back which knocks the engi down and knocks the opponent back, seeing as its a pistol, overloading it with blackpowder would provide a kick to knock the thief back while dazing the target from the boom of the gun as opposed to the bullet.
additionally pistol #1 skill could scale with power better so that either a condition based user or a power based user can use this weapon to good effect based on what they choose to focus on.
Pistol #2 needs an aoe, maybe a trick shot like skill that applies poison cripple and vulnerability on alternative hits. so the skill would ricochet 3 times and hit the first with poison, 2nd with cripple and 3rd with vulnerability.
thoughts behind this is that in a group it would be beneficial for thief to keep switching targets to get the most out of the conditions all the while doing damage in an aoe like manner.pistol#3, unless buffing the damage, touch this, you die.
pistol# 5, nice vs melee but very situational (unless you are D/P) would rather this be more of a survival tool vs ranged but we have smoke screen and daggerstorm for this. and the aoe smoke has its uses
Ok this was waaay longer than I anticipated… No trolling here, just love mobility thief over stealth. But at the end of the day, it really is horses for courses.
pistol skill 1 does need a big boost. i think sword skill 1 should be about 15-20% faster too. yeap thats right….we have only 1 aoe dmg (cluster bomb) wish we would get like 4 intiative when we swap weapons automatically bc other classes get to switch a couple times and dont draw from the same pool….basically they can use their 2ndary weapon skills all right away even if spammed! we cant.. Cnd…miss….Cnd hit …BS maybe hit….and then ur out of attack even if u switch. we will have to see.. btw invis isnt too powerful. its just right. its just acro/trickery doesnt give a way out or much dmg. yeah it gives 10% extra for low endurance/intiative etc but thats 10% of an already low output bc of the lack of power / crit line. invis is a trade off for our lack of defense. not a fair one imo since its not a 1 v 1 game.