Guild Wars 2

yolo swaggins.2570:

TBH Ari I can see thief wielding a focus mainly because each profession is a “school of magic” or w/e it was I read about. I can see the focus act as shadowy shield/veil. As for other weapons:

Rifle —> Sniper

Sword 2 handed —> Like greatsword wielders except faster and less damage proportionally.

Offhand sword —> Berserker

Terrestrial Spear —> something :I

Torch offhand —> pillager

^^^^ Yes to all this^^^^

Renegade.6240:

Treeoflife.4031:

Renegade.6240:

I atleast think we deserve a torch, for both main and off hand. Think about having a torch in your right hand, that’d be cool which means thief

I don’t know about Torch. Focus & LB make sense, GS…meh. My argument for Focus is in any martial arts you need discipline. In order to be disciplined you need to focus (see what i did there). I mean if there is any class in game you could associate with Martial Arts…its Thief aka the Ninja!!!!!

I don’t think the thief is the most disciplined class, actually I think thief is the least disciplined class, in my imaginations thief is like, takes nothing seriously, laughs at things, has a good sense of humor, not cold like warriors or guardians, etc.

Can’t argue with what you believe, but i disagree. Thieves are assassins and when running glassy (like most thieves do) its play smart or blow up and die. simple as that. playing smart you need to stay focused….Focus…ed :P

Renegade.6240:

I atleast think we deserve a torch, for both main and off hand. Think about having a torch in your right hand, that’d be cool which means thief

I don’t know about Torch. Focus & LB make sense, GS…meh. My argument for Focus is in any martial arts you need discipline. In order to be disciplined you need to focus (see what i did there). I mean if there is any class in game you could associate with Martial Arts…its Thief aka the Ninja!!!!!

What about Offhand focus? idk about these skills tho lol
Dagger Main hand
Skill #3: Assume defensive stance. If attacked in mele range give torment and counter.
Skill #4: Drop Dark field. (360 radius)
Skill #5: Blast location causing bleeding damage while evading attacks (2 sec evade)

Sword Main hand
Skill #3: Daze target (2sec) and roll to backside of opponent.

Pistol Main hand

1. skill: Block (3 sec)

Could be a more defensive mele range setup. Optional Condi/control

Exceptional Guild
Was a member while they were on SBI and can say it was always a blast running with VEX. The veteran players are very knowledgeable and the newer players all grow quickly from being in VEX. Great banter and fun loving group, but serious when the time comes to stay sharp. Highly recommend to anyone looking for a gw2 WvW home. Miss em on SBI

Hamster.4861:

Treeoflife.4031:

What about a GvG that includes 3 guilds per team (15 man/guild….so 90 people total). Could have different game modes like attack & defend. Or rush to a point. Or idk any number of possibilities. Obviously this isnt a complete thought but to me it sounds better than your regular GvG. Kind of a bridge between TPvP and GvG.

That could be really fun. King of the Hill kinda thing, with 3 hills

Ya i was thinking about it a bit more and it would have to tie into WvW and not be completely separate to actually help save WvW. The reward i had in mind for winning this “Raid vs. Raid” would be an item given to the 3 commanders of the winning side. Supply Package: Drop a supply crate containing 100 supply…single time use. Can use anywhere within WvW. For all other players a chest with a chance at rare materials and siege ect. This would not only encourage the growth and interest in skill groups but make skill groups much more efficient within WvW. I think the main reason WvW is on the decline is that it is always a numbers game. But if there were more skill groups there would end up being alot more skirmishes and fewer blob v blob s. Again this is still a very basic idea and needs to be thought out alot more but i think it is a good building block to start with.

What about a GvG that includes 3 guilds per team (15 man/guild….so 90 people total). Could have different game modes like attack & defend. Or rush to a point. Or idk any number of possibilities. Obviously this isnt a complete thought but to me it sounds better than your regular GvG. Kind of a bridge between TPvP and GvG.

Razer Naga all day! Really does help to have at least 4 buttons on the side. The naga i got has 12 and i dont use half of them.

SBI is pretty much all militia! A few skill grps but mostly pugs. Could always use a skilled pug in WvW!

SBI could really use a quality Pug commander! We have been on the decline for a while after a good number of our skill grps went to some upper tier servers. Our pugs work really hard and have skill, but could use a bit more direction! Please consider!

LOL!!!!!! That really did make me laugh you are quite the comedian!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/Hobosacks-Balance-Discussion-Feedback

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/Hobo-Sacks-A-Terrible-Fashion-Statement

Yes it does. Whatever sigils you have on your weapon set is applied to kits.

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Category:All_Engineer_Builds

The Decap build is bunker with a lot of control. Anything you should need you can find here.

Hope this Helps!

You all sound like a lot of fun. Message in game for more info?

Been having some pretty decent success with this

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQFAUlUUpWrVXxdLseNydBFyb+PQWgAI6D2ifA-TFCBwA8U3Z5+DYVGkWJoXle4UJAwDAIlOASBMwYA-w

If you find the retaliation is killing you, you can always take 2 out of inventions and put in explosives . Then switch flamethrower for Bomb kit and increase blast radius. Pretty good damage and decent surviveability either way

Bazzoong.7145:

Hi there,

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQRAqY4YlsMp3ptNxsJsPRBNhwZtUeetreB67JA-TlzCABA8AAsUFhw3f4Qlg+pDgLlebqSwFnAgvUGknmBNOCACqFwT1ZY4gAQKgqkGB-w

I have een fooling around in wvw with something like this last night.

Tomy suprise it worked way better than expected, it was hilarious actually, especially in small and medium engagements this is a great idea for a support thief.

I fought some 1v1 aswell and there is way more pressure and sustain with this than I expected, the super speed is hilarious.

It is pretty easy aswell, a nice and easygoing alternative to the die hard builds.

I was very entertained even though I had no optimized gear and have not played those weapon sets in wvw for a long time.

This looks like it could be pretty fun too! jumping over the trap should still trigger it. it should also have a small radius effect. both changes might make traps more viable.

is this a build good for grps of 15+ ?

Ya sorry got confused. that is a valid question that i do not have the answer to lol. Hope someone else has the answer!!!

Noooooooooooo!!!!! i dont want to give in to the Ranger booming already happening! Plus i only WvW and ik how everyone gets fire in their eyes when they see an uplvl ranger in WvW lol! not worth the stress (no offense to any rangers out there but i always target you first and exterminate with extreme prejudice : P )

Swiftness always stacks so i would assume yes the runes should stack with the trait….no reason for them not to. And if you are talking about the trait Crippling Strike in the Trickery traitline then yes is does put you into combat. it is like someone triggering a trap skill. Hope this helps

Good to know. Sounds like thieves need to rally to make traps work. I mean a lot of our teleport skills are buggy… period. The second there is the slightest change in ground plane you’re screwed. Would be nice for traps to work though. could def. mess with people and really change the way thief could be played. Diversity in builds is key to making a class fun to play!!!

i agree the traps do seem a bit week but you dont think with a little time practice and modifying your play style that the trapper thief could become close to as effective as some of the more popular setups? i mean does it just comes down to the dmg and cooldown right? because shadow trap used right sounds like it could be really good! and i mean condi thief is strong no matter what utilities it uses right?

Hey all

So i just want to start off by saying that this is a thoery craft and not been proven in field. This build if for WvW roaming/havoc. I came up with the idea of a trapper thief build while i was watching how crazy Ranger Trapper is. This is my idea of what the thief trapper set up would be like.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZEQRAqY4YlsMptp9Nx0J8rNRSRw9SQi3t37dVC-T1BBABA8EA+S5XEnEgSV/B99HCU/gaKBJFwpCjA-w

Correct me if there is already a thief trapper build out there or if anyone else has tried this. I think the idea of a thief that utilizes traps is really cool. Despite the long cooldown on the traps the extra stealth initiative free sounds good to me! I could see shadow trap + BV or RoG elite becoming a strong combo. New combos in general could really spice up thief play and catch alot of people off guard!

Gimme your input? Curious if this is a road i should go down

Hey Geiir im running pretty much the exact same build as you and i love the damage! Traveler runes are pretty helpful. Could you explain how the mug and backstab combo work exactly for heavy damage output? and how have you been dealing with condi mesmers and classes with a boat load of stuns/dazes/reveals? Maybe a video

I noticed this bug happen multiple times last night. Was getting attacked by a necro and warrior and mesmer. They were stunning me left and right. Tried to bail out & my last refuge triggered but didnt stealth me. So i shadow stepped away and dropped my SR. Stealth didnt work either time and i wasnt attacking and dont use fire or air sigils.

Thanks for the feedback! Ya i wasnt upset i just wanted to make sure it was my diminished skill level and not complete thief nerfs. I do admit that P/D seems to get stunned/dazed pretty easily. Guess i will have to find a new build that can skirmish. I do seem to have an extra hard time with both mesmers and rangers. I will have to experiment. any suggestions on a Good DPS setup?

Hey all
Just came back from a 4 month break. I play a PD dps thief in WvW used to play SD also but apparently that has been nerfed. I used to have no problem staying alive vs superior numbers but now it seems in 1v1 situations vs someone that actually knows what they are doing i seem to be at a disadvantage or something. I admit to being a tad rusty. I have read about the reveal that rangers have but is there a new play style /skill rotation that i am missing? Is PD still viable anymore or has everyone switched to DD or condi? not running condi and i dont plan to, is boring. thanks for any help and insight anyone might be able to give me.

Ya lets just delete the “thiefs” all together (sarcasm). If you have played since launch and play one yourself….then you should know how to counter them. If you haven’t figured out how to counter them by now….then you probably never will and you should prob just stay in PvE. Enough said

I Joined VEX a few weeks ago. Gotta say i am impressed and happy to sport the VEX tag. Havoc kings (and queens) good map navigation for stealth operations and fierce fighting style. Come check us out!

SBI is a great server! We are resilient; proven by surviving the mass exodus of WvW skill groups that moved to Mag & SoS. The community really came together to fill the gap left behind and we stay strong even against overwhelming odds. there are some really great guilds that i would be willing to help you investigate should you choose. Mail in game if you have interest in joining the SBI family! if not, good luck all the same

Don’t know about builds, but the most effective gvg thieves i have seen stick with backline. Run Bow when the train goes in, blast fields, then switch to mele & follow backline as they move. 2 thieves playing defense is amazing. keep an eye for enemy kill squad, when they move in to engage and take out the backline you protect them by taking the kill squad out. don’t know if thats helpful or not but ive seen it work and it crushed our kill squad. then the enemy backline were free-casting the rest of us till the end.

Sons.5493:

Treeoflife.4031:

Not bad play overall. Used to do something like this before i had ele forced upon me during raid time. Any interest in sharing a little more about build so that i may convince my guild to let me run thief? lol

Sure!

I run Standard SA build with some tweaks

After The 15/4 i had to change some Sigils of power for Sigils of accuracy, change stones for oils and invest into thrill of the crime to keep my dps up, i gave up on my burst and went for an overall better dps which imo is better for raiding, changed travelers for wurms to make up for the crt dmg lose while gaining some durability. 30 SA is a great asset for fights, especially when you get low you can step away and heal up then go into the fray again! Plus 300 Toughness is awesome tbh.

Ironically enough Last refuge saved me a lot of times while raiding :P

Thanks!

i was hoping to kinda get out of the usual builds and make something a bit more unorthodox. Might this be something that you have looked into?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAV4al0Mp0pVOx7J0PRRRBtXo5cCBwzfUj+KBA-TlDHAB/pCCAHBA30N8kSQgUacoaCGpExgLAQQKj8T1iw0gMwDBok9HG+AEQKAmEGB-w

any feedback would be cool! and be gentle i’m just getting back to thief and don’t claim to know much.

Not bad play overall. Used to do something like this before i had ele forced upon me during raid time. Any interest in sharing a little more about build so that i may convince my guild to let me run thief? lol

A good Solo Roam build for WvW is the Diamond skin build. Its pretty amazing vs most classes and completely shuts down full condi specs. Enjoy!

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFEQJAoYlMMozhFOwnB8rRwDgRbGMuDkC6gyCAlqCA-TFDBABXqSgh6B0SJxoqDkmSQs2f4TVcA4EA4lyMPeAAIpUoNTBBAQA2ZdGADdoDdoDdotz6cnDdolCYglRA-w

Harbinger.8637:

BrandyBiscuits.2873:

thanks for the replies! I’m thinking of going with a healway guardian + maybe a dos guard… still not sure tho, but staff attacks seem so pale to me? how does one control a zerg with staff anyways? unless its purely there for staff 5, speed? But against other small groups of 5-10?

Staff is mainly there for Line of Warding and Empower, other then that you should be using your other weapon. Hammer is an excellent choice to use, great CC and damage to boot. Here’s a video from the other night of some small man stuff 5-8 ppl. I’m using staff and hammer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKLjlvdu4nk

Agreed and nice vid. Hammer has great CC. we have a Hammer guardian who usually opens the fight with ring of warding + Judges Intervention and almost always gets a few people caught in it and the rest of us put em though the meat grinder lol. I played healway for a few months and it is an amazing build for almost any situation. Is a healway guard with GS + Hammer viable? i wonder

RedCobra.7693:

Treeoflife.4031:

You could always run the new condi guardian burn set up. Sword torch…scepter focus i think it is. Consecrations for grp condi removal aoe burn, and stability. I will say its a bit weak vs other condi classes but you can perma burn ppl despite their condi removal. Not sure of the exact build but it might go nice as it is a bit unexpected at this point.

if he means havoc as in properly causing havoc to pug zergs and holding tower/camps, then that wont suffice im afraid, my engi with every condi known to man has difficulty fighting the huge amount of condi cleanse pugs have, even if you could apply burning every second you’d still be looking at a 50% uptime of fire only in outnumbered fights

Right i guess its pretty situation pending, wasn’t too specific in OP. Same could be said about the PU mesmer if that’s the case tho. But the condi guard isnt in a bad place. plus burn doesnt scale too well with condi damage so maybe theres a good hybrid that is yet to be discovered. just an alternative since Anet is making condi guard a thing…

You could always run the new condi guardian burn set up. Sword torch…scepter focus i think it is. Consecrations for grp condi removal aoe burn, and stability. I will say its a bit weak vs other condi classes but you can perma burn ppl despite their condi removal. Not sure of the exact build but it might go nice as it is a bit unexpected at this point.

I like where your head is at with the build, but having anything less than say …. 800 healing power isn’t worth it. Id say ditch the Zealot armor and swap out for some valk + zerk / assassin.

In terms of sigils, for dps i personally tend to like running battle and (accuracy, air, or strength)

hope this helps

Roaming last night i was able to land churning earth multiple times (downed 2 in 1 churn!!) in 3 v 5 fights. I have found popping stability and using it in the middle of the “ele burst rotation” (before earthquake) is catching alot of people by surprise. With the new burst in DD water (skill 3) you don’t have to go air. fire. earth. you can go air. fire. water. land frozen burst, roll behind them and start your churn. I’m not saying its easy to land but changing up your rotation at the start and positioning well has been giving me good results. just wanted to add a success story to help assure people that its not completely useless.

OP i do like the “detonate” idea but i would prefer something along the lines of a pull. (like guardian gs 5) @ 1 sec into the churn pull up to 5 enemies within the churn range to you. People would need stability, time their dodge better, and use a mobility skill to get out of the way.

No offense but I dislike these threads. Check out the patch notes, look through the first few pages of the ele forms, and try out some builds. Everyone has their own opinion on what works and what doesn’t.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFAQBAA

As an ex member of StaR i can honestly say these guys know their stuff! Skilled, Fearless, Focused, and Friendly is all that needs to be said. Highly recommend them! keep it up yo

I’ve seen these guys running around quite a bit. Have not run with them myself but wanted to bump for support! Keep up the good work! [Deth]

I’d take a look at NITE on SBI. I know a few of them, Skilled players that always take on larger numbers. Plus ik SBI has lost alot of their skill grps and are working extra hard to stay in T3. Could always use a skilled roamer!

Some people will tell you their set up is best but you really just need to practice and learn what stats work for you. I can hep point you in the right direction tho. for stats i got for 2k power, 2,500 armor, around 30-40 crit chance, around 200% crit damage (i think… ferocity is still a little confusing for me), and around 15 – 16k health.

For armor i have a mix of Cavalier, Valk, Assassin, and Zerk to get the above stats.

For runes i run Strength (worth every penny)

For sigils i use a few different ones. Air, Strength, Bloodlust, and Generosity. Depending on how roaming is going that day and what i feel im lacking.

It can be a bit overwhelming when you hit 80 but trust me you will go through 2 -3 sets of armor and stat combos before you hit your golden ratio. Hope this helps!!!

MightyMicah.7451:

NinjaBreadMan.8926:

I wouldnt take that crap even if stone heart worked in all attunements. 30 earth is just not power friendly. Condi ele is crap because we only have access to bleed and burning and is only good in dueling vs certain classes.

30 earth isn’t power friendly? Haha, good one.

I have to agree. Since i put 30 (or 6) in Earth i dunno if i can go back.

I respect you opinion and agree i should have been more clear. The build revolves around more than just lightning rod. Stone heart is pretty awesome. The only downside to it is that it is only useful while in earth. By running a conjure or two you can stay in earth longer maximizing the effect of stone heart. There are 3 possible interrupts with lightning hammer, You spam them then drop the conjure. ( this also allows your main skills to come off cooldown)

As far as being in a roaming / small grp scenario, i also disagree. The damage is not bad due to the might stacking and you are rendering enemy crit damage useless for a good amount of time. You can say the build is bad and there are better builds but you have not tried this (im assuming) so its a bit presumptuous to call it a monster and to say its bad. This is also in a testing phase and i have not put too many hours into it so i’m sure there is room for improvement.

ps. sorry i wrote that you can modify for staff, as it was misleading. not so much for staff

I said above it can be modified for staff. it is meant for DD small scale roaming / havoc. I am utilizing 2 of the new GM and accomplishing great things.

btw although your response is appreciated, you have added nothing to the post other than spread negativity. no real insight or reccomendations. please be constructive and have a nice day

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFAQJAoYhMM6cW4wACf0APA24OQK4FKOA8AahlqCA-TFSGABA8AAMTPggq/UkSOqUCSkyhEOBAos/ApAYSYE-w

This is a WvW build and can be modified for running staff ect. Stay in earth while running a conjure. Whatcha think?

Jabberwock.9014:

EvilSardine.9635:

Decent setup but your burst is borderline exploit and not working as intended. It’s obvious Anet didn’t intend for lightning flash to work the way it does with certain abilities (burning speed and fiery GS rush). Horrendous coding on their part. If I’m not mistaken they are fixing the fiery GS rush exploit so they should definitely fix burning speed.

Gonna submit a bug report right now.

It is pretty obvious it is a bug, in the exact same vein as fgs. But it is such a versatility opener that it would immensely lower the ele skill cap if they were to remove it. BS would now be entirely predictable since you will be forced to use it straight ahead of the enemy at max range to hit the explosion… and we all know how easy that is to dodge. They would seriously need to compensate ele if they ever remove this, because we are just barely hanging on even while taking advantage of this.

Hopefully burning speed will not be affected as a side effect of the fgs nerf.

So then LF+ Churning Earth must be a bug too then right?

LightningBlaze.4913:

This sort of thread again. It has been proven several times by good players that the ele can be very powerful in both pve and WvW. If you meant for spvp then I can agree half of it but then again some players still do great within this setting too. They certainly don’t feel the Ele is weak or underpowered quite the opposite.

I agree
These threads need to just go away. NO you cant just smash your head on the key board with ele and expect to win in any pvp wvw environment. in pve FGS = win. If you’re unskilled as a player, play a different class or put the time in to practice. All us eles that have put in hundreds of hours learning to play a class, learning the pros and cons of builds and utilities, and gotten good over time at landing combos find it more rewarding than playing OP cheese classes. So you just want ele to be “as good as all the other classes” so any player can just roll the class and be just as good as a axe gs warrior? Ya just think about what that means to people that play ele really well (slap in the face). just live with the upcoming changes for a few weeks