Guild Wars 2

Overkillengine.6084:

I think the issue OP is having will happen regardless of build while playing Necro in WvW, though understandably the initial reaction is to do a build check to see if any important tools were overlooked/look for alternate builds.

The build brings you a long way. Yes, I understand necros have it harder when it comes to getting away. However, with the right condition build, anyone who stays to fight will regret it as long as they are not just zerg busting you.

Overkillengine.6084:

Well I think you’re missing the OP’s question anyways really. He wanted a condition build for roaming, which I linked a video to. Don’t think he was asking anything else really.

I dunno, this guy seems to pull off 1vX’s pretty well. He’s full condition.

Tricare.2946:

Cuddlepie.8109:

Hmmm, aren’t you that Ranger player I’ve beaten on my dueling account?

Why yes, you are.

Looking forward to your response. Perhaps a video link about slavery this time?

lol bragging about beating a ranger? I’ll duel you on your ‘dueling account’ lets do this. I’ll play my awesome ranger even.

Cuddlepie.8109:

Think I remember you as well. Axe+Torch+Wolf?

Already done you over.

Try again. Last time I dueled was about a month ago on my necro. It’s ok to be scared.

Cuddlepie.8109:

Comprehension lesson. I said I thought remembered you on a Ranger, not that it was the ‘last time’ you lost. I note the lack of denials from you, tho.

‘It’s ok to be scared’ Does that work at recess?

Comprehension lesson. I said “try again” because, you thought wrong.

Whenever you get the courage to duel, message me in game. I’m going to bed.

Edit: I can only post every 900 seconds, not waiting around for that so I’m editing my post.

You showed him!

Monkeymonger.9235:

I do agree with these points. However in my experience (bad) necros immediatly drop into plague as a panic reaction and remain there for the entire duration. I’m usually content with just leaving them there and focusing them once they come out again. I don’t quite understand why people would chase a blinding plague.

When playing in a condition group, a necro going into plague is one of the best things that can happen. Stack them up on conditions and epidemic away.

Hey guys, I’ve only been playing guardian for about 2 weeks. Here’s some footage of me roaming in gold league. Hope you enjoy!

Cuddlepie.8109:

Hmmm, aren’t you that Ranger player I’ve beaten on my dueling account?

Why yes, you are.

Looking forward to your response. Perhaps a video link about slavery this time?

lol bragging about beating a ranger? I’ll duel you on your ‘dueling account’ lets do this. I’ll play my awesome ranger even.

Cuddlepie.8109:

Think I remember you as well. Axe+Torch+Wolf?

Already done you over.

Try again. Last time I dueled was about a month ago on my necro. It’s ok to be scared.

Cuddlepie.8109:

Comprehension lesson. I said I thought remembered you on a Ranger, not that it was the ‘last time’ you lost. I note the lack of denials from you, tho.

‘It’s ok to be scared’ Does that work at recess?

Comprehension lesson. I said “try again” because, you thought wrong.

Whenever you get the courage to duel, message me in game. I’m going to bed.

Edit: I can only post every 900 seconds, not waiting around for that so I’m editing my post.

Some fights against SoR and TC ‘awesome roamers’

Cuddlepie.8109:

Winkin.1490:

Gilgamesh.7364:

deathTouch.9706:

robocafaz.9017:

Also, these Blackgate Roamers have been giving me some of the most intense fights I’ve ever experienced.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T43zqnix9E

I’ve seen and participated in many 1v1s, but that by far was the most intense I’ve ever seen.

Really glad we’re getting such a great skill challenge from BG this week. It feels like its only been hours since we’ve faced such skill from other match-ups.

I was more shocked to see that there’s actually a group of more than 5 Maguuma in WvW.

Usually you guys are hiding inside your spawn

1/10

1/10? Well, that’s arguably a generous score for the feared Maguuma Youtube roamer who styles themselves “Hashtag Blaze it”.

0.1/10

dangerdoom.3862:

This is all old footage isn’kitten
The way you can play as a necromancer has changed with the chainstuns and prolonged duration of immobilize.
No way you’re going to survive without stunbreaker these days. The only thing that saves you in your vids is plagueform but the stability can be stolen quiet easily by a mesmer. When in plagueform you are also a great source of condi stacking for the opposite team, the necro could easily epi off a sitting duck.
Don’t get me wrong, I like the big numbers but you rely way to much on the 3 guardians that have to carry you and you would die so fast these days even with that support.
If you encounter a group with some decent cleansing and half a brain this build / setup would not be viable.
I’m making a vid myself as I think it’s a good idea to explain this. I’ll post it later today.

The footage is from last week.

Dead Muppet.9718:

I have this video of ranger vs thief. I was even running pigs for lulz.

Sreoom.3690:

Ranger hands down….he says struggling to keep a straight face.

I’d give anyone a run for their money 1v1 on mah ranger.

Saturn.6591:

Tricare.2946:

Rennoko.5731:

Tricare.2946:

Not sure why anyone would assume one condition follows a different set of rules when it comes to priority. First come first serve.

Actually for a long time, and not sure if it is still there, the Wiki said something to the effect, that a burn would always take the highest available condition damage coefficient, and just apply the damage to whoever had the burn ticking.

So if someone had a weak burn and someone else had a strong burn in the queue, the weak burn would in fact use the stronger burn players condition damage, and just pass that damage back to the weaker player.

It doesn’t work this way, but I do remember historically at some point it was listed that way. The wiki isn’t exactly the best tool for accuracy though.

Oh so you read it on the Internet? It must be true then…

And you obviously don’t read at all. Or at least not the posts you make sarcastic comments about. Re-read the parts that I’ve bolded, and especially the parts which I’ve underlined.

Rennoko said nowhere in his post that it works that way because the wiki says so. If you want to play smart… (eh…smart-kitten I guess), make sure that you don’t make yourself look like a fool instead.

Same goes for Brando, who just jumped on the bandwagon without properly reading the post himself.

Oh I read his post all right. However, I was referring to anyone that read the wiki or the information anywhere else and took it as fact.

Do some testing on your own, find things out for yourself. That’s the reason I helped him with his video, testing the burn on a guard.

deathTouch.9706:

Chris.3290:

deathTouch.9706:

Hexin.5603:

Chris is on SoS and referring to next week.

Oh, right, of course… <.<

Did you lose your sig due to infractions Chris? I swore you had one earlier…

I just recently got mine back

I’ve never used a sig.

What a PvF scrub.

And there goes your sig again….

Rennoko.5731:

Tricare.2946:

Not sure why anyone would assume one condition follows a different set of rules when it comes to priority. First come first serve.

Actually for a long time, and not sure if it is still there, the Wiki said something to the effect, that a burn would always take the highest available condition damage coefficient, and just apply the damage to whoever had the burn ticking.

So if someone had a weak burn and someone else had a strong burn in the queue, the weak burn would in fact use the stronger burn players condition damage, and just pass that damage back to the weaker player.

It doesn’t work this way, but I do remember historically at some point it was listed that way. The wiki isn’t exactly the best tool for accuracy though.

Oh so you read it on the Internet? It must be true then…

Not sure why anyone would assume one condition follows a different set of rules when it comes to priority. First come first serve.

@that 5 man RET group last night, I think you needed more warriors and guardians.

I was happy to see another 5 man group though, to bad we only fought once when we both had 5 and you ran from us.

Hexin.5603:

Sam Halleck.3156:

Hexin.5603:

amanda.6178:

Hexin.5603:

Sam Halleck.3156:

I’ll just leave this here…

…So clearly this shows that the rune slot 6 – mags self invite worked, and above that line of text was your trash talk after your self invite was accepted? But the 6 slot bonus is bugged, as retal somehow prevented it. I thought it was suppose to be unblock-able. =D

TC may be nerds but were not idiots, and I think you and your buds were on thieves too prior to switching over to mesmers (am I right, or is it sheer coincidence the 3 thieves from iLL left and 3 mesmers came online… how am i doing so far?)

Anyway, I don’t see how either side shows any thing but jokes ~ seems like harmless chat, even your jabs after being accepted (or did you not want to be accepted). Is that somehow perceived as nerd rage? You were even given a compliment… not to be perceived as ‘WHOA WHOA it’s trick it means bad kid cuss words about a virtual video game no one cares about….’

… or it was … legit? Seems more the latter to me, and should probably take it as a compliment if a support war doesn’t want to duel with your build. Common sense man.

~X

First of all, iLL has SO MANY thieves. Like an entire army of backstabbin’ fools. There’s more thieves than you have fingers and toes to count them.

Secondly, if you /laugh at anyone, you should always be prepared to defend your right to do so in a super srs honor duel. It’s only polite.

Edit:
fek it… I give up… it’s easier. I may get infracted, again and suspended, again or banned who cares at this point, just a game … glhf

I posted the pic of the missing 3 sentences for you to read =) no need to thank me. Yesterday was a pure Mesmer roaming day for me, so I did not switch from thief to mesmer, but we have a lot of both (to dodge zergs sometimes) and i do main my thief. *L*ike raf said, its surprising to me when I troll people contributing to a WvW server, and they decide to kill me and laugh, dance, sleep, and cry on your body but go on about there business. It astonishes me how they are actually contributing and wont stop to waste time to duel me. The ~support warrior enjoys playing~ dumb and avoid talking to avoid the embarrassment of being unable to duel on a great dueling class =P or felt the need to feed the troll his meal

Fixed. and corrected spelling

… Still I scratch my head … what do they teach in uni these days.

Wearing blinders 101? No, couldn’t be … likely majoring in misdirection as you are a mesmer after all, and a good one will give you that ~ you pop more clones and phantasms than a nursery ward produces babies.

Umm if you go to correct someone, try being right. It’s “Their business” not “there”.

Also, him roaming around ganking people going to the zerg that may have supply isn’t helping? How about all the yaks he kills while roaming?’

Maybe you should go to a uni and you’ll learn something.

Well let’s agree to disagree. These 20/20/30 prismatic mesmers running around with decoy, blink, mass invis, veil, and torch off-hand would just lol at a ranger trying to entangle him. Not to mention staff if they decide to use that, that’s what… a 8 second cooldown blink?

I’ll give you necro, but Mesmer can just blink or stealth out of it easily. Ele can be done, but not against a well played one.

This is my normal ranger build when running with Rennoko.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQRAnf8YjAVB29VKWoWCiVBB1ekJzjpniWFLXhRVwmK-j0BBYiDimCI0kHBKPqIas1NFRjVPjIqWfEDA-w

Indoles.1467:

If I’m not mistaken, it isn’t the stealth that causes them to escape the vines. It is the trait that removes a condition every 3s while in stealth that allows them to escape (or one of their several evade skills). In fact, the only profession that struggles to escape the vines is necromancer if you already forced out their heal.

Stealth lets them escape Entangle.

MomentofWeakness.1246:

cough

Medeyn.8562:

use /say chat if on the other server and speak to eachother

lol really guy?

LightningBlaze.4913:

There’s a difference between ‘solo roaming’ and ‘group roaming’.

Solo Roaming- you’re by yourself and will most likely die to multiple people. It’s best, if you can’t take on 2-3 people, to not solo roam, you will die.

Group Roaming- In my book, is 5 or less. A full group with a nice comp. With a well built group you can take on 10+ depending on how well you’re organized and how disorganized your enemy is.

If you can’t cut it solo, get a group. If you keep running into groups, get a group.

Edit: Oh and your signature makes me laugh. You can be the best in the Special Olympics but…….

These t1 roamers are tough man… real tough…

robocafaz.9017:

Handin.4032:

So you took 30 minutes to make a movie to make fun of/troll/harass a single person? GG.

GG indeed. His production quality is god-awful.

Wow rude….. but I agree, I like your video better.

and Handin…… I really wanted to use the clip?

Handin.4032:

The fact someone put the time to make that video

Took me 30 min. I was going the use the clip in a roaming video but haven’t roamed much this week, and I delete all my footage from the week on Friday.

Hey. EXS here’s footage of our GvG, fun fights. Part 2 is uploading still I think.

Dedelta.5018:

Again I asked the times that the roamers play so I can fight you guys reread

There’s 1-3 of us that roam around TC/JQ from 7-10 server time almost every night. Not the whole time, we start early or late some nights, depends on what’s going on.

We even let each other 1v1 as long as the person we run into doesn’t look like they are about to run….. which isn’t often. [VR] tag.

Shinra.9348:

Tricare.2946:

@Handin I think….

Mag doesn’t watch streams to ‘spy’ per se. We like to do ‘stream sniping’ my favorite was Bitcloud. It’s always enjoyable (maybe immature but this is a video game) to watch people rage over a video game when you kill them.

Bitcloud is my favorite to streamsnipe as well. When he moves to a different game because it’s too much. I know my job is done.

Haha yes, or in this case… puts a password on it rofl

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

If you’re talking about the NOPE commander I hate to break it to you but he isnt in NOPE

If he’s a commander in NOPE yet not a commander in NOPE, then nope?

electriette.8952:

do you have some sort of obsession to said commander now? 0:

I don’t think a few posts about a commander equals an obsession…..

@Handin I think….

Mag doesn’t watch streams to ‘spy’ per se. We like to do ‘stream sniping’ my favorite was Bitcloud. It’s always enjoyable (maybe immature but this is a video game) to watch people rage over a video game when you kill them.

Hexin.5603:

Tricare.2946:

Shinra.9348:

Snafu.7412:

Commander Jadon please relax you might pop a vein in your forehead. Please tell the chick with the accent to join VR’s mumble so we can “talk”.

Please refrain from calling out people on the forums. It’s not helping anyone, I understand your frustration about the Ele comp you run not working etc. but there’s no need to call out our Commanders in such a manner. If you would like to talk about Ele builds in private you can message me I lead a Ele zerg comp as well. You may have heard of my guild: Prepare for Thirteen K Meteors [SPYS], we are a pretty solid Ele WvW guild and I’d be happy to talk builds with you in whispers rather than the forums.

I find it funny that, you know what our comp is and what we do…. yet still get wiped.

Message me in game if you would like tips on not getting killed.

1. Says relax calls out commander and creeps on lady
2. Lady says happy to help with your build seems the standard … IM me, don’t call out our commander etc etc…
3. No you die you bad l2p?

So, in other words…

Thanks…. I am pretty awesome…..

Should I link your commanders stream to you? It is pretty funny to hear him rage over getting farmed at SE camp and EK and that bridge fight was funny too…

Edit: I’m a bad kid, so I can only respond every 900 seconds….

Was stuck in queue reset night, so I decided to roam JQBL. Any of these HzH guys I kill that robotchicken dude?

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Just grabbing 15 people from our roster makes no sense for us. We dont have a proper set up or composition, nor do we have proper practice. I dont see a reason for us not to, and I know there has been more and more talk about setting up for GvG within the guild, and it will be coming sooner than later. If we get the people together we could try to organize just a skirmish or something, but we arent ready for a proper GvG yet.

Just grabbing 15 people makes perfect sense. You’ll see who wants to actually do the GvG by people volunteering, you’ll get to see what classes they play and are proficient at. You’ll get to see what professions you need (if you have a comp in mind) and how many more people who actually want to GvG. I could go on.

The GvG itself can easily be a skirmish, that’s all anyone wants. Just because a guild is asking for a GvG doesn’t mean this is the heavy weight title here. We’re just asking for a friendly fight. You get to learn what you’ll be up against and try now different set ups.

Asudementio.8526:

It has a lot to with a bad attitude. This thread has been plagued with mag pitching a fit because we are not going out of our way to set up a GvG for them. Why should we bother playing with someone from another server who has to have everything their way? You want to fight? We’ll do it when we can, but we aren’t bending over backwards for some egotistical, whining, kittens.

It’s most likely not going out of your way to set up a gvg. You raid during the week, correct? Grab 15 of those people and do a gvg at the start of it.

Taking the ‘high road’ with “why should we bother playing with someone from another server who has to have everything their way?” really? You’re just being childish now. Every guild that sets up GvG’s on mag does so with the utmost respect for the other guild, weather we win or lose. Yes we bug people for GvG’s, because how often have we faced JQ? We only have so long to set up GvG’s.

Asudementio.8526:

We’re out every night this coming week.

Why you no GvG den?

Chopps.5047:

Tricare.2946:

Chopps.5047:

I bet I could prove some of your statements wrong. I wish I could play with you. A lot of the drawbacks you point out can be made up for by superior skill.

Now you’re not even discussing the topic. Yes, you can beat a 10 year old kid playing the most-op-rofl-build ever. He doesn’t know how to play as well as you. When discussing builds, traits, and such, you leave out player skill.

Apparently you also leave out tact.

Eh you just told someone you would stomp all over them with your ‘superior skill’

Chopps.5047:

I bet I could prove some of your statements wrong. I wish I could play with you. A lot of the drawbacks you point out can be made up for by superior skill.

Now you’re not even discussing the topic. Yes, you can beat a 10 year old kid playing the most-op-rofl-build ever. He doesn’t know how to play as well as you. When discussing builds, traits, and such, you leave out player skill.

HzH bring your guardians tonight!

Chopps.5047:

Even with EB and SoR, a ranger fighting a condi engi/necro is an up-hill battle. They can dish out so many conditions that it will overwhelm you. I’ve fought rangers that didn’t have EB on, my 30/20/0/0/20 necro (the most op build evah) and they drop like flies, even with healing spring.

You’re really crippling yourself without EB.

ekleenex.1654:

virtue.7235:

Here is some of the action [Agg] had this week, was a fun week with some great fights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLmmM4gmpxM

its 1-1 now [NS], cant wait for the next time!!

I like you’re hair. <3

Your*

Xsorus.2507:

I am rather annoyed at the quality of the video though, Not sure if it was just an error on youtubes part but I don’t get some of the video distortion when i play it from my computer that I get when playing it on youtube.

Some of my videos do that. They play just fine from my computer, but on youtube they don’t look as good as they should.

lol @ the 3 HzH in SoS BL just now.

Ohhhh I haven’t been to the EBJP in ages…. may have to start back up…. had a blast last time.

Edit: 2v10ing pve players is really fun lol

I thought about trying a might build as well. Have you looked at the runes of noble? You lose the 20% condition duration, but gain condition damage, and 40% might duration.

How is fighting 1v2+ situations with no healing power?

Faux Sheaux.6179:

Jacks.5367:

I don’t have the gold to do the whole test so I am just gonna used build editor to test it (since it’s pretty accurate).
Full ascended berserker GS:
Ranger: 1473 dmg over 2.56s
Warrior: 1938 dmg over 2.4s
Guardian: 2359 dmg over 2.5s

Full exo berserker GS:
Ranger: 1352 dmg over 2.56s
Warrior: 1780 dmg over 2.4s
Guardian: 2166 dmg over 2.5s

The percentage of increased in damage from exo to ascended:
Ranger: 8.949%
Warrior: 8.876%
Guardian: 8.9104%

Your statistics support what I originally said and (ironically) actually give the opposite conclusion than the one you came to. The ranger will not gain the most going to ascended.

Take the ascended damage of each example you just gave and subtract the exotic damage…

Ranger: 1473 – 1352 = 121 more damage
Warrior: 1938 – 1780 = 158 more damage
Guardian: 2359 – 2166 = 193 more damage

The percentage increase in damage from exotic to ascended is about the same for each class (which is what I said in OP). What isn’t the same is how each increase affects the damage the classes do. Since the other classes already do more damage, they gain more from it. This puts rangers even further behind in dps ability than they were before.

Jacks.5367:

Clearly that Ranger gain the most benefit from going ascended.

Clearly not ;(

Someone got served.

Poxheart.2845:

While I enjoyed the video, I gotta say that the build using Dire armor does not cut it in T1. I’ve tried roaming with it for a few days this week (at different times day/night) and killed a few people. What I found was that with no stun break or stability any fight with more than one person went badly for me because of all the CC. And, unfortunately, in T1 you rarely find fights where enemies don’t add in.

Not going to try the celestial build. This was an expensive enough experiment already.

Well I run the dire build in T1 and kill pretty much kill everyone. Yes stun lock warriors are tougher, but they are still able to be killed.

Jacks.5367:

You are actually right. He run triple signet but I don’t get it how he can get that regen if he has no shout?

He actually don’t get fury when he swap.

He does get fury on swap, watch the video again.

He gets regen when his health drops below 75% health and i’m assuming he has 10 points in the tree to get 33% regen duration.

Faux Sheaux.6179:

Look at how often he procs regen. You’re looking at a ranger most likely wearing Cleric’s armor or at least some hybrid of Cleric’s and something else. He is definitely wearing Dwayna runes (procs on heals). He also likely has 30 in Wilderness Survival and 30 in Nature Magic based off the duration of his regens and the method of application (on burns/bleeds) in tandom with how his pet is stealing conditions (grandmaster wilderness survival). As for the other 10 points, I’d guess they are in either Skirmishing or Beastmastery since he seems to have pretty high healing power (Beastmastery) and Skirmishing is another viable place to toss the remaining points for a power build like his.

Also he has 0 points in Marksmanship since he had no opening strike.

0/x/30/30/x

Hope that helps.

Edit: He definitely had shouts traited.

I hope you noticed he’s running triple signet, so he did NOT have shouts traited.

He was gaining swiftness and fury from weapon swap.