Guild Wars 2

http://i.imgur.com/9bRo8u1.jpg

Loot still good

SURPRISE!

Skelk farming got nerfed.

The 9g/h farm!

Rockoe.6827:

Healix.5819:

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The likely route is to simply add new tiers of nodes and new tools to complement new or existing crafts. Since they came out with a full set of unlimited tools so quickly, I’d even expect to see an expansion announcement within the year and probably a tri-pack in a few months.

I pray this does not happen. It was advertised as a limited time only purchase and thus why i purchased it. It it were to be sold again later I would be very unhappy.

The molten pick with a lava animation is most certainly a limited item.

But you have to realize that they can also release other ‘themed’ tools

darkace.8925:

Sokar Rostau.7316:

No, they don’t. They want a title they can display so that people will stop thinking of them as wallet warriors that bought a Legendary with daddy’s credit card. It’s not about bragging rights, it’s about some way to say “no, I didn’t use a credit card. I actually worked hard to get this, so kitten”.

Or people can stop caring what anonymous players in an online game think of them. That seems like a fairly reasonable solution to being called a “wallet warrior” to me.

This ^

I have three legendaries and a lot of gold but I really don’t care about what people think of me. Like me, all right! Hate me, whatever, you’re free to think that way!

As long as I’m happy with my look, then that’s fine.

ilr.9675:

Vewen.8016:

It’s intended behavior because those mobs kept coming in large numbers due to the event. Players would farm the mobs rather than complete the event, that’s why it was nerfed across the board and the mobs no longer drop anything. No more interesting drop = no more farming the mob = players do the event rather than farm the mobs. But as usual, the effects of the decision were not completely thought through.

OH… well no one mentioned that they were Infinitely-Spawning ambush mobs.
Yes in those cases you absolutely have to suppress drops somehow.

Any event that does not have a timer or a mob-kill requirement will have infinite spawns. And there are over 1500 events in game – there are a lot of those type of events.

NoodllZ.8376:

Everyone i hear hoping people will be back in Orr to farm for dust hasn’t realized that Orr has been nerfed to the dust.

Not only that, but dust farming largely comes from spiders and wraiths. The former no longer can be farmed at shelter’s gate (and the timer has been increased) while wraiths are very difficult to farm since they are spaced out.

If I were a gem seller..

Why would I sell my gems to someone who is offering fewer gold?

before you go about doing this, pay attention to the price of the precursor. Is Spark one of the most expensive?

If you can make 100g more by forging, say staves to get The Legend, then it’s better off gambling that.

Go check the points that you are missing.

POI? Vista? SP?

Then go look at your map and hover over each zone. It will tell you the % you are missing. Don’t forget to check WvW and the home instance of the Order of Whispers

Why can’t I get a legendary whenever I want to?

Why can’t I get lvl 80 whenever I want to?

Why can’t I get BIS armor whenever I want to?

Put in effort and maybe you get whatever you want

I expect it to increase in the long-term, but not significant enough to make it worthwhile (and greater than the opportunity cost)

There are just so many choices for minis and while the supply is fixed, you need to consider the demand side of mini reefers.

With so many mini options out there, who would want them?

Time to sell my dust stock.

Player Character.9467:

Amun Ra.6435:

Player Character.9467:

Ya how dare they fix that exploited event! Grab the pitchforks and torches!

You obviously do not know the whole story. They did more than just fix the event. They decreased the loot rate and made it so one type of mob doesn’t drop anything at all. So even if you wanted to do the event the “right” way…you are going to get a lot less loot.

They’re an infinite spawn. They are not supposed to give you good loot. This is a known game mechanic in EVERY SINGLE OTHER AREA OF THE GAME. You are just kitten that your little precious spot got taken away so you couldn’t get kittened amounts of rewards for 0 effort, 0 skill, 0 risk.

and how would you explain the plinx and shelt/pen nerfs?

Minos.3450:

Yep, if you want to invest on something you should invest on Kasmeer.
Even if the reef rider is only available for one week or so, its drop rate is ridiculously high, and given the fact SSC is a farm fest presently there should be a sufficient supply to match the demand for a while. Especially because I don’t see the demand for a reef rider being very high, Kasmeer on the other hand…

If they release mini pet battle (in Lion arch) or something similar, it would be a different story

I got Kasmeer on the first day and was tempted to sell it at 40g. But guildy told me to wait and now it’s been hovering 20g. I hope once this is all done and a few months down the line it’ll be over 60

I suggest you go play D3 and rage when you die not because of your lack of skill but because the servers lagged out.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Vol.5241:

I know right, shame on me and thousands others who enjoyed playing this game because we like to farm.

I think you misunderstand. The point isn’t that “farming is bad”, it’s that “farming the same content repeatedly because it’s a significantly better farming spot than X or Y or Z is bad”.

I don’t think you read my original post. Farming will always be in MMOs and no matter what you do, players will find the next best thing.

Here’s pretty much the whole chain of events that farmers have gone through (of course cof1 has been stable the whole day)

-plinx
-southern grub farm (only a few weeks)
-shelt/pen
-west grub farm
-Malchor farm
-Colonnade farm (only a few days)

farmers always go to the next best thing. After Colonnade, I know the next best place to farm.

This is why I suggest Arenanet to make the whole map reward loot to your level 100% of the time. Because then players and their guilds can choose to spread out across the world to farm the events they want.

And if one event gets too saturated with players that make it difficult to tag mobs? Then I can take my party somewhere else and still be rewarded loot

Trying to get rid of farming in an MMO is just as useless as trying to get rid of zergs in WvW

As discussed, it may be best that you sell now

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/8s-each-for-karka-shells

Of course there could be other items that can be bought, like sigils and tonics, but those are worthless

Amun Ra.6435:

tolunart.2095:

…and I have to say that I’m having a lot more fun just playing the game than most of the people complaining here.

Well you are right…at least now you are….what you(and Anet apparently) don’t get is that us farmers actually LIKE farming, it’s fun for us. We are not just going to say “oh well, they took farming away from us I think I will just do some RP now” not going to happen…if they keep pushing farmers they will leave for a game that doesn’t punish players because of “bots”.

One of my in-game friends have already quit because of this, and she’s been with us since release. Another is on the edge, especially after we found that new Collonade farm spot only for it to get nerfed a few hours later. He was raging hard.

Arenanet seems to be catering to the casual player more than ever – the folks who log in for a few hours and does his daily, or random dungeon, or pop in WvW briefly.

Arenanet does not cater to those who invest time in the game, and we’ve known this ever since they implemented DR and refused to remove it after the successful bot ban back in November.

edit: and I’ll admit, it’s good business sense. The casual player does not have time to get any wealth and is more likely to convert gems to gold. The player who plays a lot in game has greater opportunity for wealth and is highly unlikely to convert gems to gold.

But I’m not sure if Arenanet has properly considered the balance of gameplay and business.

Mungrul.9358:

Farming is unhealthy gaming.

Do you “Farm” when you play a beat ‘em up? A first-person-shooter? A platformer?
No; you’re playing for the challenge.

How in the world are you comparing FPS to MMO? What’s next, gonna compare table top games to facebook minigames?

Rising Dusk.2408:

I hate to be that guy, but I love seeing a player with ~4 legendaries and something like ~5000g in chump change who brags about making 100g a day cry about something like this. It’s very satisfying.

That said, honestly, I hope ANet keeps nerfing farming to force players like you to spread out and do assorted content rather than repeat the same content over and over. It would do wonders to motivate people to populate assorted locations.

I know right, shame on me and thousands others who enjoyed playing this game because we like to farm.

Didn’t we just have a new node for the Azurite a few weeks back? And the unlimited pick work for those?

This is assuming that

1.) the skins are the new, which is highly unlikely. Item sets keep getting added but the skins themselves are the same. In fact, we haven’t got any new item sets since release

2.) Lots of people desire that item set. I don’t think healing/toughness/condition is a hot commodity

Thank you man

It’s days like these that I really wished I learned programming/coding/html in school

Well looks like Arenanet has continued to nerf farming events.

Yesterday I formed a farming exploration party and found out that Colonnade waypoint was the best spot. After a few hours, we get a new patch only to find out that it’s nerfed. No worries, we also found another spot to farm in the meantime, though I wonder how long until that gets nerfed too (hint, it hasn’t been changed since November)

Not to mention that shelt/pen has been nerfed completely by increasing the respawn timers of events.

With these changes, the Orr maps are pretty much dead of players.
And when Southsun passes by, the only way to get rich is to farm Cof1, farm meta events all day, or end up having to convert gems to gold.

Real disappointed in you Arenanet, you really have turned a once great game 360 degrees.

Another request from me!

Similar to the above, but using the event tracker

I’d like to keep an eye on available events on other servers so I can farm ;p

Man if I were in your position I would have rage-quitted. You seem pretty chill lol.

I do hope you didn’t throw away all your wealth though..

Just keep in mind guys – over time there will most likely be more ‘cute’ mini’s and a larger variety. So while the supply of these mini’ will definitely be low (due to it being time-limited), the lack of demand will drive the price down.

Broadicea.8294:

And also, if you’re going to contribute, it’s more helpful to actually include the math, rather than just basing things off of your feels on proper sample size.

That’s nice, but I’m not a statiscian, nor do I have the desire to prove anyone wrong that ecto rates were nerfed.

Just telling people to use better judgment in their analysis.

Doomknight.7923:

Vol you are contributing nothing to figuring this out.
If YOU would like to do a 2000+ sample size then, by all means please try it.
Otherwise refrain from criticizing people who are constructively posting on this.
I did one of the initial 100 salvages and later made a video of me doing another 10. (admittedly the 10 was a small sample)
I will NOT be salvaging anything else as of now. MY RATES have been lowered. If you don’t believe me that that is your prerogative.

Actually I’m one of the few voices of reasons here. I’m not to keen on joining the circlejerk that just cause you have a lower ecto chance means Arenanet OBVIOUSLY kitten the rate.

WaxWorm.8574:

Again, Vol… what is your sample size since the patch? With which data can you prove, that there hasn’t been a change?

You think having some (and possibly inaccurate data) is better than having no data at all? Ever considered the ‘dangers’ and inefficiencies from relying on a small sample size?

Can’t you promote dust as well?

Broadicea.8294:

Here’s a small sample taken this morning, using crafted rares as well as dungeon rares. 22 salvages, 10 ectos returned, no more than 1 ecto per return.

http://youtu.be/yOECzw1Ac28

Return rate for that sample was 45.4% I can do another test with a BLSK after work.

To be fair, you’ll contribute a lot more if you did a video of 2000 salvages.

22 salvages is nothing. You can do another test and you can end up with anywhere from 5% to 80%.

Doomknight.7923:

Speculation is not what is happening here.
I wont say this is a nerf/bug just because of the amount of ppl saying they are NOT getting this issue.
But i’m getting the same amount of people that DO have the issue. This is out of the realm of just “conspiracy theory” this is affecting a large numbers of players across all servers.
Say what you will about it, but please reserve your " OH hes just a forum TROLL!" till AFTER this is definitively fixed/proven/removed.

So how big of a sample size did you use?

Items with low demand and low supply are more vulnerable to price fluctuations. Also, these items generally have a larger price spread among buy orders. So even one item being bought may end up rising the price by several dozen gold.

A lot of transactions could have happened between those few days to end up with a higher price and higher supply.

Paponzi.1637:

After every single patch… this discussion…

There are plenty of things guaranteed on this forum

-Ecto nerf speculation after a patch
-Threads asking ‘y u no release patch notes beforehand?’ on patch day
-Threads complaining about ‘patch time not appropriate for their time zone’ on patch day
-‘RNG/gambling is bad’ threads

Danger Girl.5836:

Vol.5241:

Just cause ecto price has risen doesn’t mean they nerfed the rate. Could just be speculators.

Please read what we are all saying. The salvage rate appears to be altered/bugged, thus causing price rise.

And where is this large sample size in the thousands that supports this?

Every single time we have a major patch, people come here stating that x and y were nerfed because they suddenly don’t get any ectos for salvaging. But of course the people who get more ectos than usual don’t actively come here on the forums because why would they want to complain? It’s either a.) good for them or b.) they understand it’s RNG

Here’s what I think is happening.
OP makes a post here that ecto rate is nerfed based on his big sample size (but not big enough). Then a bunch of people start chiming in that they have also noticed lower rates, but for all we know these people could have just did 10 salvages and didn’t get sufficient ectos. So now you have a big sample size + other people complaining about lower rates, and now you have a perfect thread for speculators. Speculators now suspect that maybe ecto rates indeed were nerfed and end up buying up prices because they think there was an actual change.

It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Seriously, if I wanted to profit off of people so bad I’d probably makes threads just like this so I can pump and dump my ecto stock.

It’s novelty.

Do you need it? No.

Wow 600g…what a waste dude. I sort of feel bad for getting a ticket on my 2nd crate (which was a drop).

Wasted it on a hammer skin which I barely use

Just cause ecto price has risen doesn’t mean they nerfed the rate. Could just be speculators.

The blue flames afaik only work for the guardian class. It’s related to Virtue of Justice

Furikake.4052:

It’s a puzzle. The solution to the puzzle:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/events/The-Arah-Escort-Puzzle/first#post2033903

Don’t beat the mobs. Beat the puzzle.

that’s the post I was talking about, good find :P

Dude Healix – that’s awesome! Didn’t know you could come up with something like that so quick!

Bookmarked and I will be using it from now on

Question – how difficult would it be to utilize gw2stuff’s overlay feature with this?

Chaotic Storm.2815:

-raises hand- simple noob question but what do they mean by ranks? I don’t WvW much so many I just haven’t noticed but I wasn’t aware of any ranks to be gained.

Doing WvW activities rewards wxp. You earn ranks just the same way as you earn levels when doing PvE activities.

I believe the price is largely controlled by players.

Can Arenanet affect gemprices indirectly? Of course – by reducing the gem price cost of items, reduce gem price in real $, increase gold rates in game, e.t.c.

If you think there is anything ‘pure’ in economics you are mistaken.

People already beat the single player instance?

gaborkaldy.3210:

I bet you want the T6 more than the clovers Vol.

Funny, I did :P

I made the 77 clovers for my first legendary, then went for t6 and ended up with another 70 or so clovers. Then ended up getting my 2nd legendary.

I’m now on my 4th set of 77 clovers and just waiting for new legendaries to come out :P

Pedra.4381:

anzenketh.3759:

ArenaNet does not control Gold to Gem prices players do.

And you believe this why?

why would you believe otherwise?

2 weeks, afaik 15chars

Last I heard it was supposed to be in this patch ;/

So..uh…what happened to PvE culling?