Guild Wars 2

Veckna.9621:

Thieves are definitely not weak, granted we’ve been struck extremely hard by the nerfhammer many times when compared to other professions and now we’ve got a class that relies very heavily on player ability.
It’s a very punishing profession, the slighest mistake will likely get you killed but it’s in no way weak or underperforming.
Playing the profession to a viable only level be it in PvE or PvP means you’ll need a good deal of understanding of the game and the professions’ mechanics, knowing other professions you’re matched up against in PvP will be your best asset as a thief, more often than not winning duels with other professions means you’ll have to wait for them to overcommit so you can burst them down.
Condition P/D in dire gear can just about win any war of atrition and totally eats any melee challengers alive for instance, being a good thief player is an everyday progressing goal and takes a great deal of mental fortitude and that the thief player accepts he/she will taste the floor before forcing others to.

P.S.: If you wanna faceroll your way to wins rather than sticking with something you enjoy just because it will take effort you can always just go with Hambow warrior.

hum… I already have a Job and a part-time, I don’t need another job, ill think Ill shelve the thief and bring out the necro or the ele.

P.S. I play to have fun! If i wanted another job I’d go out and get it…

instead of more 8v8 why not add more 5v5 rooms? If that is what ppl enjoy playing and the existing rooms fill up, just add more…

Chase.8415:

If you want to re-roll, play necromancer as everyone seems to be rolling engineer now and necros destroy then without effort.

My necro is leveling fast my Thief is shelved. Not they it is bad or UP or any thing like that, it’s just that in the current meta there is no place for thieves unfortunately…

Kurrilino.2706:

Guys calm down.
I understand that all these kiddies cry now with their dps toy gone.
Actually people should be forced to play 60 days GW1 before doing this crap to Gw2.
Now you guys are confronted with thinking about smart build and opponents armor actually matters again.

Great Job A-Net
This was exactly what we needed.
It keeps my hopes up for LS2

Thumbs up

I agree with you but don’t you also think that the dmg over time abilities should have also been tuned down accordingly? as is atm condis dominate every aspect of the game since power/crit builds as now weaker (and slower dmg) than condis

I hate…. That i dont have it yet. ????

Nice to see that every one is using the new IMBA Grandmaster Traits!

aw wait…

A-net tolled every one many many times, in the forums and Ready Up’s to spend all your glory before the patch. They told us to spend it on chests to have as many skins unlocked as possible, I did that and the ppl I play with did the same, if you did not, shame on you, you were warned and had 3-4 weeks to do it.

A-net specifically said that Glory would be removed, WHY would you “save” some for after the patch?! it obviously got deleted as they said it would be…

Hi,
Has you have noticed, when you entered the Heart of the Mists after the patch hit, your build was different from the one you had before the patch.

It was 2/6/0/3/3 and looked like this I took it to hot-joins just for the fun of it and it was not horrible, in fact I had some success with it, obviously I changed it to a more competitive build that matched my play-style better but still, this new “default build” is by far better them the previous one that was something like 30/20/20/0/0.
At least new players will have a better spec to start with.

Q: Who in A-net came out with the suggestion for this “balanced” build?

IMO it was Karl McLane +1 for you Mr. McLane

I approve of the crit nerf, it was needed, but imo condition dmg should have also been brought down accordingly… as is, condition dmg is more effective then power/crit dmg and i feat that will bring the June-December horrible condition meta that made me stop playing this game for over 3 months…
well see how the spvp meta evolves but I’m sure that conditions will have to be addressed in some way (dmg/duration) in a near future

Overall it was a GREAT patch! thank you A-net, great job.

scabrous.7835:

0/6/6/2/0 is absolutely not ok. In fact no power spec is ok atm, sadly.

thats true for ALL professions not just us so… we might as well give it a shot or join the condi train that is growing faster than ever!

Reminder: the worse meta we had since launch was jun-dec condi meta… I have a bad feeling about this, will we have another 6 month of condi meta?!

Hahahaha Hilarious! tks for the laugh.

Ankas.9023:

Now all of us rangers can transfer ascended gear/weapons to a thief or engineer without loosing the precious time and money spent into decking out useless profession aka the Ranger.

LoL good luck with your thief!

Why aren’t the abusers getting punished? It’s Skyhammer all over again?! ppl that went from rank 1 to 50+ in a couple of weeks and got away with it…

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google it xD

fun to watch tks! what is you setup btw? build / runes / gear? I feel the appeal to try it out myself

The “boosting” is your retroactive bonus. They could simply implement the new system and you would have to work your way up to 80.

I’m happy they are doing this and you should be too.

Carpboy.7145:

Very very squishy. Try this

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vYAQNAoYVlsMp8plOx7JsPNhs9onqQii7BTlUNVXhoC-zUCB4fAYLLakgIaEFIUBg5oFRjtNoIas6aYaXER1kCYrFAA-w

This is the only D/D build I would play IF I was to play D/D. It was my spec for a long time but not anymore…

Sorry to see you go Allie…

We had our disagreements :P but you play a very important roll and I’m grateful for all you did for us.
Good luck in your new job!

I wish you all the best.

Any competent player can take a thief down. if 4 ppl couldn’t take down a single thief, that tells alot about the “competence” of those 4 players….

Bunker guardians, engis and warriors are already a nightmare to kill, this Nerf to crit dmg will make it impossible… This is a Nerf to thieves (the only profession that can’t bunker) and a buff to all other bunker speced professions alot there that will be even harder to kill…

The DA new trait is worth getting if your playing glass cannon (I personally don’t but that’s my choice).

the the new trickery trait is AWESOME and not only for condi thieves just take a look at the most common d/p and s/p specs out there.

as for the other traits… Imo we got alot better choices to equip.

I.e both CS great master traits are far far better then the new one, I would never take it.
in acrobatics, both great master traits are awful and the new one is even worse… 1sec of stability is not even noticeable… I mean… Rly!? GM trait 1sec? (well we have an elite that’s worse than most utilities so… Yah…)

SA new trait is not bad but if your going to be sheathed alot you will take the trait that heals wile in stealth because you benefit from it EVERY time you are in stealth wile with the new trait you will benefit from it ONLY when some one successfully hits you wile in stealth and I have to say that this very rarely happens.

The problem is the ppl that exploited Skyhammer before the nerf to how we gain glory and rank points, PvE players that are now over rank 50 and 60 without a proper match, I’m playing since beta and I am proudly a genuine rank 41.

The exploiters were not punished and will continue to benefit for what they farmed and showing off wen genuine PvP players should be the ones with the benefits…

With the 15th patch they will have a ton of skins that they can use in PvE and the Genuine PvP players will have LESS to show of for there effort that the SH farmers that never did a proper match…

Sad but true.

A-net did what they could to prevent further farming but (IMO) to late, they will all be Dragons in a few weeks and most genuine PvP players will not and will have to continue fighting for that prise.

Although A-net told us that they knew exactly who was exploiting, actions were never taken to punish these players… Shame.

Why call it Mega Servers? it is basically Cross Server instances and it is nothing new, it exists for many many years in older MMO’s

Mega Servers give players the impression they will all be in the same server (server merge) which is not the case.

just a note :P

Pavel.8531:

Volrath.1473:

I need a decent raid build.

TYA

For thieves, I think the best (and probably only) raid build is venomshare based. I’d say something like 30/0/30/x/x with either apothecary(if organised water fields) or dire(works all around). I gave you the pointers, you should theorycraft/buildcraft from here :P

yeah I thought so, Power build with venom share, kind of boring to play and very restrictive… anyway it’s kind of all we have to offer…

Tks man!

Hey guys,
I just re-installed the game and started playing again. I stopped in December, now I’m looking to help my guild as much as I can in WvWvW and am trying to build for that.

Not much has change since then apparently but I would like to know what kind of support / Suitability build is being used atm.

I dont need roaming builds, my old one works just fine, I need a decent raid build.

TYA

I am pretty exited! I’m mainly a PvP player but I do enjoy PvE occasionally and the upcoming changes to PvP and the introduction on new game modes made me come back.

Death match is ok, A-net went for the easiest option, the map looks cool for a dueling arena and 2v2 3v3, although I’d prefer a more complex mode like CTF or conquer/defend but it is a much expected start. I hope the PvP team gets bigger and the other sPvP modes arrive in a few month, not another year and a half.

Anyway, this changes will keep me playing for a few month

Relshdan.6854:

put it in the arena in the charr city (breath some life into the city)…..but NOT in open world.

some people don’t like being bothered by strangers who want to duel…..who then harass you if you decide not to duel them. its a problem in all games that have open world dueling.

you know that most mmo’s have dueling system and all of them have the option to block duel requests, you can turn that option on and no one will bother you with duels = you are happy. Ppl that like dueling will have duel requests enable = every one is happy.

After 3 month away from Gw2, and after the latest 2 RU’s, I got hyped about the upcoming feature patch, so yesterday I re-installed the game, bought some gems and transferred server to join my guild mates.

Went strait into PvP, although I’m a bit rusty, I still got it

With my new rig, the game loads allot faster and looks better as well.
So, has you can see I’m again exited about Gw2, now don’t you fail me A-net!

style.6173:

If there are balance updates, I hope the OP 5 are being addressed:

hambow, decap engi, s/p thief, spirit ranger, mm necro

i’m quite sure that every spec that is “out of line” atm will surely be addressed.

Imo the dmg is not the issue, the init cost may me increased my 1 to reduce the spam-ability of this skill and also the dase should be replace with something less penalizing for the target, something like a short cripple or a some other non dmging condition.

The evade… if you remove it this sill will become way to easy to interrupt and since the thief self-roots to use it, i think it is a necessary evil to have evade on it. Unless you chose to make it usable wile moving, then i thing the evade factor could be removed.

just my opinion.

Chaotic Storm.2815:

Treborlavok.3504:

Heimdallr.7021:

I think they are still thinking how to change the signet, in the meantime they nerfed it, though it will not stop people from whining.

its not just the passive that is the problem. Its warriors as a whole.

oh warriors are perfect where they are, just like anet claims it is. Its the rest of the classes that needs to catch up.

<- This thief agrees with this ^ warrior

Justin ODell.9517:

You guys are making some really good points, thanks.

Do you guys think this should be a higher priority than other changes? Why?

I do believe it is a high priority add dueling anywhere (except in instances) to the game, tbh it should have been implemented a long time ago. Obviously the priority is relative to what you guys are doing atm

I know ppl can just step into a custom arena and duel but what we would like is to duel wile we are waiting for a friend to join the group or wile taking a brake in wvwvw…

EDIT: Thank you Justin for giving this thread some well deserved attention!

Mbelch.9028:

I’m not sure about all that, but I feel that condition builds should have a system of crits as well, and the system should be then balanced around that.

Guardians with increase burn duration plus 33% more burn dmg. If condis crit they will probably destroy the planet by sneezing…

Jealle.1926:

didnt they say there were great changes coming for the thief back in januarys live stream.

“these are not the droids you are looking for, move along”

now compare this traits with the new WARRIOR traits

I’m usually the first one to jump at A-net’s thought but this time, even I feel the need to back them up…

There will be 3 RU’s, in the first they will talk about the new Grand Master traits, that does not mean that there will be no more balance changes besides that. There are still 2 more RU’s after this one which will give us more info on the patch including the new spvp map that we know will not be conquest mode.

I’d suggest you sit back and relax, watch all 3 RU’s and then play the game after the patch hits, at that point, you can jump on A-net’s neck if you feel like it, until then lvl a new toon or just take a brake.

Cush.4063:

The game is already I a bad state of balance. I think the best time to introduce new traits/weapon skills is probably now rather than when its balanced.

there will never be balance, in any game that has different professions. The problem is when some professions are way above or below average. In the GW2 case, before the December patch professions were very near each other balance wise but since then a few professions have been constantly above every other profession…

As for the introduction of new traits / abilities, it’s better sooner that later.
If we were to wait for balance to introduce new stuff, we would have to wait for years.

I glad changes are being made even though (apparently) the “baby steps” and “shaving” policies have been scratched and we can expect allot more bugs and balance issues…

Just hope it isn’t to late… Even Quake 3 Arena has more twitchtv viewers / streamers that Gw2 I checked it last night…

Evan Lesh.3295:

You know its a good update when after playing internally, you go home to play the ‘older’ game on live and wish you were back at the office.

Will it have every feature you guys want? No patch ever will. It’s still an awesome patch for the entire game.

shame that there are very few of us left to play it…

Josh Davis.6015:

Volrath.1473:

I got a question.

What is the purpose of Ready ups?

Good question. I’ll take this one! Before I was hired at ArenaNet I ran show called “Guild Wars 2 Guru’s State of the Game”. Aside from the forums, it was one of the main bridges we had with the developers behind PvP and balance. Unfortunately for the show, last summer I was hired on at ArenaNet and had to shut it down.

I know we can’t always talk about extensively about what’s in development, but ideally we’d like for Ready Up to fill that gap, even if we’re just goofing around on stream a bit, playing some casual games. Ready Up happens twice as often as State of the Game did, and we won’t always have things to preview. That said, when we are finally ready to show something off, Ready Up is going to be the place you’re going to check it out.

The topics for each show are posted prior to each episode – allowing you to choose if the show is worth your time or not. They’re not mandatory. Even if we’re not talking about balance or features, etc, I’d still love to have everyone come hang out for an hour every two weeks. If you’re not interested in watching scrims, or whatever else we happen to be doing, then we’ll see you at the patch previews.

Hope that helps.

Yeah it does Josh.
Thanks for taking the time to replay. I watched all Guru’s SOTG and when the ready up series started I hoped that it would be similar to the SOTG, and apparently that is actually the intention but tbh i prefer the SOTG since you would invite players to interact with the devs and ask questions and sow their point if view on specific issues that I’m sure most of us players would agree with.

This new RU is scripted, players have no interaction with it whatsoever… Sure we can ask questions in the forum but they are handpicked…

SOTG was much more genuine and I remember devs making notes and acknowledging our concerns and even identifying bugs in that show. Don’t get me wrong RU is a decent show but it feels very cold and distant from the players imo.

Edit: I play since beta and followed every single SOTG live although I’m in EU

I got a question.

What is the purpose of Ready ups?

Allie Murdock.8152:

FYI, we don’t think it’s balanced. That’s why we’re still balancing it.

The OP actually makes a good point, though. For this particular feature build, we have not shared much about what’s going on, we get that. Don’t mistake that with we’re not doing much, though.

Thanks for the feedback

FYI we (at least I) don’t think that you guys aren’t doing much for pvp BUT we’d rather have constant updates with small changes and tweaks than having to wait 3+ months for the “huge update that fixes all”…

Big patches with allot of changes have high a risk of messing up, making skills classes extremely OP/UP in the blink of a eye thus making more harm then good to the game.
Even though you test things internally, you have to admit that sometimes things are not quite as you though they were…

With constant small updates you can actually see the effect of them in the game and “re-tweak” if necessary. Lower risk of messing up and if you do, we know that the next update is not months away and will digest it better.

Tyler Chapman.1832:

Mesmers are getting some nice stuff.

Stay tuned.

I bet you say that to every profession! ;P

Allie Murdock.8152:

We aren’t second-class citizens. I know it kind of seems that way right now, but big things are coming that we just can’t talk about. We’re still cranking, trust me!

now THAT’S new!!!

garethh.3518:

saVdoom.2067:

You do realize if you create something completely broken with those Sigils/Runes rework, and it takes 4 months for you to fix it, it’ll be GW2’s pvp death?

Uhm…
GW2 is already dead.
PvP’ers are just biding their time till the next wave of MMOs hit before they let this lifeless corpse drift off to sea.

I mean… like since launch Anet hasen’t done anything right.
That is GW2’s death.

They released a game that needed an extreme amount of TLC yet they didn’t give it.
They minorly tweaked balance when the game needed a new direction.
They released badly placed conquest maps when the game needed a new mode.
They released a useless leaderboard when the game needed a new queuing system.
They are constantly ‘letting the meta settle’ like the game is always in the middle of an esports season, like they have a top tier game that needs to be perfectly balanced for the upcoming world tourny… it’s laudable.

^^ this ^^

What: Traps
Why: cuz Ranger traps look bad compaird to ours.

they could be made in a 1 time use that gives a fixed amount of glory instead…
simple and easy…

A-net has a bad internet connection! xD

Karl McLain.5604:

Hi all!
Once again, thanks for the feedback!
We’ve been discussing elementalists quite a bit recently in PvP and one of the things that’s brought up constantly from feedback is the internal cooldown from Cleansing Water. This is something we feel is out-dated and we’ve been playing around with removing the ICD totally from PvP. We’ve got some concerns, but would love to hear some feedback on this.

In general, we’ve got quite a bit more stuff coming. As before, we can’t say what these things are just yet… But there’s a bit of stuff that will shake up the meta. We’re really looking forward to it!

-Karl

last time you changed things to “shake up the meta” PvP got wreaked, conditions went out of control, necros desisted every one else, then Rangers, Engis and Warriors.

I’m taking bets on what will be the text broken profession(s)…

Note: I will re-install the game in a few weeks just for a laugh.

I stopped playing about 6 weeks ago and after reading the “provisory” patch notes for the “Balance” patch I am Inclined to not come back to Gw2 for good.
I am actually having FUN plying another game, and FUN is something Gw2 stopped providing me a wile ago.

Note: I’m a pure PvP player, I don’t PvE at all.

wont waste my time.
It’s more fun to stab myself with a kitchen knife than to watch such thing.