Guild Wars 2

Problem with thief is you gotta be pro to play it. But if the enemy is pro also you get rekt hard. If you are getting rekt than you are not useful. Thus thief is only good if you are good and are playing against bads.

This skill should not exist in the 1st place. Much power creep, much unnecessary.

Killing the lord is a I win button though if you have 350 when it dies. Though its not necessary to have 350 before you run to it, because math you will have over 400 before it dies and its 150 points.

Thats foefire for you and it’s why I dislike that map. If you are winning by over 200 points whole game than lord doesn’t matter. But if its a close game lord means everything.

lol if you have a healthy tick I mean own 2 points and start running to their lord after 300 you should have the 350or whatever by the time its dead if you don’t then that’s probably why it didn’t work.

Assuming you will get 60 points in 1 minute by owning 2 points. Saying it will take a minute to run to the lord and down it.

Warrior doesn’t take much of DPS hit to run PS compared to a Rev trying to might stack but rev cant might stack as good as warrior anyways, its just extremely easy for them to put out the 10 or so stacks that they can maintain.

If I get top damage delt, top stomps, and my team wins I know im the best and if i lose I know my team is bad bcuz they don’t stomp and they do no dammage.

the argument isn’t that the team with the highest personal scores should win. Thats another made up argument. OP never said that. OP never meant that. It’s just your peoples own defense mechanism to try and prove a point that the op didn’t make.

One of the screen shots I saw the winning team has less of a personal score than the losers yet the thief on the winning team had one of the worst scores. It clearly means the thief got carried.

the argument is not that someone with low points played terribly because they held a capture point. That is being made up by people who don’t agree with him. like i said before its really the only excuse to score low. if you are not holding anything and you score terribly it’s very telling.

The trait is pretty strong how it works. I think it should pulse 2 stacks of stab and give 5 might.

Made it to ruby on this build. 90% of my losses were because of bads i got paired with.

Unless you are sitting on a point all game as an excuse to score low score means something. This is litterally the number 1 excuse for players that say score doesn’t matter. OH I sat on a point all game thats why I have 10 points. Woopdeedoo.

My opinion its not the score system that is flawed its the point system as not only what you are doing is lame and isn’t really pvp it afking at best.

It also depends on the map. If you kill like 4 animals and are good with stealing that 100 points and that is going to make your score higher. If you also decapped and held points as well as spiked numerous players you contributed a ton.

It’s easy to push buttons apply a few condis then run around. If you can’t deal with Diamond skin you are probably bad and use condis to carry you. They need to nerf condis not diamond skin.

Warrior in it’s infancy had no condi removal besides soldier runes and shouts. Damage was pretty insane though. Not as high as thief at the time. Pre Ferocity nerf this attributed to a lot of warriors insane damage as it scaled good with them.

Warriors just wanted to be competitive, so Devs finally game them healing sig, CI. Etc But with every sustain buff they received they were given damage nerfs. After the damage nerfs anet saw it fit to nerf sustain as well, shouts, healing sig etc because people cryed mostly because they were bad.

Those same bad players then received tremendous buffs patch after patch and power creeped them so hard Ranger is a good example of this. A class that was never really terrible in PVP back in the day. Petting Zoo anyone?

Anyways that was besides the point. ANET has treated warriors where they say can have CC but no Damage, can Have Damage but no sustain, Can have sustain but no damage. Except they fail to be great when they specialize in anyone category any other class can do it better.

Now comes along Rev ANET treats this profession totally different. They can have literally everything at once. Never has warrior had everything. People have tried to compare them to shoutbow meta. OK warrior shoutbow was strong, But it was never as strong as any of the META specs right now ever.

Yet the same bad players who plays those specs continue to complain and ask for more buffs so they can be carried more, and of course anet listens and where are warriors now? Dead. This company all along has had this one set of rules they use for warriors and another set of rules for everyone else.

Looks at adrin decay for example no other professions was penalized the same way as warriors are or have to adhere to the same standards.

In this picture appears to be a warrior with a hammer, and a guardian with a staff. We know it’s not a Rev since they look like rytloc.

Since ANETs “Balance Patch” Called Heart of Thorns" only makes 3 out of the 9 professions Viable for PVP with Guardian still being OK, in that all people do is whine about DH.

No one is whining about warriors other than warriors. ANET why even put warrior in the picture if you made it trash. Just to look cool or something? It’s not really cool to play a warrior in your league.

Multiple players were kicked out of my match and cant re-enter the match in ranked. Pls fix game and refund pip.

Sorel.4870:

Whatever you do, don’t queue in ranked with a warrior. You’ll just attract negativity.

Unless you are good.

Summery of Entire Thread/

All I am hearing is complaining from players who play OP Condi builds because they can’t 1 shot an ele. ANET pls nerf DS so I can now be OP and broken vs everything.

ELE having DS means that I can no longer be carried by my broekn build so if the ele is better than me which is probably true becasue I am a FOTM player than I must complain to ANET for nerf so I can has easy mode.

/thread

if you are running a premade you have to be good to win. if you are running solo vs other solos anything can happen.

I don’t think rank has anything to do with player skill other than rating. It’s more of premades going vs pugs. You shouldn’t lose pip if your team is all solo q pugs vs a premade.

DH isn’t really that OP. I think just making it so traps don’t go on CD till they are sprung and that you can’t leave traps outside of a given radius would be fine enough fix for them.

damage and cc is just too high and the bunker specs are just way too strong. Really damage and sustain needs to be shaved. no one needs buffed.

I tried durability I’m not really impressed, Unless its some kinda bunker build, then like I don’t see why bunker mesmer ranger anything is better.

powerful synergy, thick skin, inspiring presence.

I wanted to change Thick skin to Diamond skin. Something small like this I think would fix warriors. I like your idea though.

Lordmoppdog.6341:

Warlord.9074:

SMH another decent warrior that would be 100% better if he knew how to build or took the slightest advice.

Okay evaluate, give some advice and a build and i’m happy.

Use Hydromancy on your shiled axe set and not on your GS. Clears the blind on swap and chills so you can land evicerate. You were smart to use this sigil btw, just put it on the wrong weapon.

Lyssa is a bad rune. As many other have said. You don’t really need the precision and 5% condi duration scales terribly, not that you are doing any conditions besides cripple anyways.

I really think that berserker flavor of this build is superior. You take CI adn give up nothing by using eternal champion. Eternal Champion is way better than last stand. You take DOTE but give up nothing since you can spam CI in berserk mode which better than brawlers.

I can give you a link to the build I use in PVP. This would eliminate problems with conditions since you can spam burstskills which in turn spams CI. You don’t need to take hiegtned focous for quickness since you already get it from zerk mode.
’Ignore the hoelbrak runes. Pck, Str, hoelbrak, and any power based rune pretty much works. Just not lyssa:P

You do give up a little damage however I personally feel that is not your biggest problem as a warrior when you are running full zerker gear. your sustain is..
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAR3enMdA1dgVhAehAElilqATpH04yBIFgGQA490mantA-TpBBAByXGgjDCAAPAAMOCAbcBA6Z/BA

So Well I like the whole theory of this build and I think it works. I doubt that it works as well as its being presented to and here is why. Reason A. Reflects don’t count as blocks. Reason B. Mace seems like a terrible choice in that it will only block 1 attack for a 1 sec Regen. So yeah pretty good rune if you are not fighting anything with heavy projectiles. But I think most people in WvW are still on that dumb pirate ship strat even in small fights.

SMH another decent warrior that would be 100% better if he knew how to build or took the slightest advice.

str or pack work. Not sure the 5% is needed u hit pretty hard as is.

well. You gain might when you enter berserk mode if it is by using headbutt then breaking the stun with F2 it’s a long might like 12 seconds. , and you gain stability and might when you break a stun. You gain 2 might when you swap weapons and you gain the might on hit from the rune. basically you can have like 5-10 might I know its little but there isn’t much better rune.

You dont take dogged march with this build the added -20% condi duration helps you.

This rune is a power based rune also, so it helps you hit harder.

Try this build. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAR3enMdA1dgVhAehAElilqATpH04yBIFgGQA490mantA-TpBHABaXGggDCAAHBgBuAAB8AAKZ/BA

You must really not be very good on warrior then and you sound like you need a DH or Rev to carry you both easy mode. . It’s most of the time people are on the ground because I either put them there or I was the largest contributing factor at putting them there and rarely do I lose 1v1s when holding points, even to DHs.

Usually Classes like DH, Rev, Engi, Mes get downed because of me when I show up and pop unblockables.

I started 4 days ago, and I’m halfway through sapphire solo q with a warrior. I think most people are just bad, and it isn’t targeted at warriors but just everyone in general. They need a easy class to carry them and can’t play well enough to carry on a warrior.

ReaperJr.5967:

In general, in order of being easiest to kill to the most difficult.

Warrior
Thief (unless this thief is good)
Reaper
Dragonhunter
Power herald
Druid
Scrapper
Tempest
Bunker chrono
Viper rev

This is my experience from amber to ruby. List may vary from match to match.

I think this list is all wrong. Rule of thumb is to focous down whoever is the squishest 1st it doesn’t matter what class. But assuming all base type classes are easyer to take down than elites.

Thief
Ranger
DPS/Tempest ELE
Medi guard/DH
Warrior/Berserker
Engi/Scrapper
Rev/Herald
Anything Bunker

While warriors pose a real threat, however, they have enough types of immunity to damage and have a high health pool. They also seems to have a bit of good mobility to run. Depending on this warriors skill level and build pretty big mistake to focous them.

Thief generally you want to focus 1st even if they are good. They can die in 2 hits.

Ranger same thing as thief unless they have stone skin up or are playing bunker druid.

Focusing a bunker druid 1st seems like a huge mistake.

Reaper has a huge health pool and unless they are glass they take forever to DPS down.

Tempest should go down pretty easy unless they are bunking. Bunker tempest take forever to down.

Scrappers would probably be on my list of one of the squishier targets however they have a few invulns that will prevent you from bursting down.

Viper Rev is pretty squishy.

Warrior is already arguably forced into using a shield; in the current meta. All your proposed changes would do is solidify that.

Warrior damage is OK; but warriors have a hard time sticking to targets. This is due to any number of skills that every other profession has used to counter melee attacks.

Warrior sustain is not ok. If a warrior specs for full sustain, they have less sustain than every other bunker spec and deal no damage.

Thats the problem with warriors.

My proposed changes would be change thick skin into diamond skin. And maybe that would be enough to make warriors viable.

Vanilla ele is still ok if you are good I think.

Warriors are more useful than thiefs. In that a warrior can probably stay alive long enough to do somthing that helps the team and a thief will die instantly. The only good thiefs can do is decap far etc but if far is being held by just about any class currently the thief will struggle even with most 1v1s.

ZeftheWicked.3076:

You should change games then because in this one condi is a viable playstyle. Especially on necro who is very geared torwards condition warfare, and while i can play power bunker necro just fine it feels shallow, gutted and like trying to fit a square into a round hole.

Idk I’ve heard that condis are easymode from multiple sources including Devs before. Sure youre right in that its a major part of this game, but you are right for the wrong reasons and hence this is why diamond skins exist. As it takes way more skill to play an ele than a condi reaper.

You should be punished for playing a condi build and class because its easy to apply conditions and run around and do nothing.

Only reason people arn’t complaining so much about DH now. Is becasue ANET refused to fix them all the complainers switched to OP classes and builds as a bandaid which also anet refuses to fix.

Viper war is non viable in PVP. No point.

This build is not good enough.

Im glad you guys made it to a certain level and im glad others say its easy to get sapphire but im sorry if i come off as negative.

The first 2 weeks of PvP if i ran with a premade i faced other elite level premades. When i solo qued i faced guild premades and reg team premades. This build lacks the sustain and the ability to constantly apply condi dmg.

In 1 vs 1 on corners you should lose to every class being thieves remove condi on dodge. The constant pressure from a d/d condi build would overwhelm you and the staff build is about setting up dps which you have no counter for. Revs apply more condi and quicker and apply more dps by simply switching to a different champion.

Druids with boon shares with pets could literally eat your condi since 3 will go to the pet and with staff they get constant healing and 500+ with healing on glyph use and bleeding is the weakest form of condi dot which is also the easiest for you to apply.

I could go on but simply put this is very similar to alot of the builds alot people tried out before the PvP league started and this stuff never works against people who immediately see what you are know what to do. All the new classes got range and warrior got a torch. Simply strafing when you attack will make you miss alot of your attacks if there able to strafe and head backwards.

So congratulate you on finding a build that works for you but this would not help me at all. Especially in team fights when warriors are targeted first. I truly dont know how in a solo que how you are surviving with minimal amounts of condi removal,lack of range, lack of speed, and no big burst dmg. Any person fighting you would literally have to let you kill them.

Any thief should be able to shadow step away and heal and come back. Any druid could fully heal in cele form. Any rev should be able to switch and get over 4 sec of resistance just from that heal and utility skill on one champion. Any ele from the old fresh air,staff,d/d, to the new shout build isnt worried about this at all. Scrappers would out sustain this easy and maintain a full stack of 25 might/fury/protection and stability. Druids and necros are the 2 best 1 vs 1 classes base line in the game.

I am though happy for you and your success with it.

I really wish people would try searching. I know the answer and could help you but I,m peeved that the answer to your question is on 2-3 of the threads at the top of the board right now. Just even trying searching google you would have your answer.

People stuck in the lower tiers are stuck down there for a reason and when you the better player get stuck with them due to RNG you have to A. Either carry them or B. Get lucky the enemy team is worst. Or C. Take a loss.

Its sad. That if you are really good and carry the bads a lot your MMR skyrockets and you end up fighting better players than the bads you will end up with on your team again the next round.

Just want to clear somthing up. For open world burning arrows is better. On VG if you are in the circle team burning arrows is better. Or gorseval burning arrows is not better for sabetha burning arrows is not better. The only time burning arrows in the raid is better is when you are in the circle team on VG and that is only becasue you cannont focous on pefect rotations. Your main focous is sitting on green circles and running to them or sitting on them means you can’t have a proper rotation. In this scenario taking a shout like fear me also helps clear seekers and has a lot better synergy with shouts. Otherwise if you think burning arrows is good on gorse or sab you are very mistaken and should uninstall the game and not give people advice.

All I got really left to say is I made it to sapphire in PVP solo q with gs axe/shield no condis.

Dude 99% of the threads that were basing warriors had to do with PVP. To this day people are still making them. No one thought warriors were weak in PVE, and no one thought that warriors didn’t have high condi DPS since that was already a thing.

My number 1 reply to you was basically negative because I didn’t care because after testing it I knew that the practice application of it wouldn’t help you in PVP. It worked great on golems though. I thested it with a viper amulet and Balth runes. I thought it was cool then I went into a PVP match and got wrecked. Then I made a thread that berserker spec was trash in PVP.

NO oxy you are wrong. Every single warrior in the game that had a condi build has a Long Bow. Every single warrior in the game knew what longbow did. Berserker is the natral progression for condi warrior. You are like assuming that you are the only person who got a new burst skill. Oxy your beef can be with NIKE on weather or not he agrees with you. But you don’t get credit for inventing condi warrior sorry.

If you see by this thread I made it 1 day before your thread and I advised that longbow should not be changed. You know why because I tested it.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Proposed-Changes-to-Berserker-Elite-Spec/5679836

Once you get out of the cancer that is kitten it gets better in T3. A lot of the players down there will never progress and unless you can carry them you wont either.

Thats not at all accurate we all knew it could double triple dip because we all tried it on the indestructible golem. We said that on a moving target or a target with a small hit box it wouldn’t which is true and it still doesn’t. Don’t be a fool This thread has turned into a beat up on NIKE montage. I think you guys don’t have a clue what other people knew and what they didn’t know. I certainly knew way before oxygen but I didn’t care because it doesn’t work in PVP and I still don’t really care because it doesn’t work in PVP.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Condi-Berserker-crazy-high-DPS/5731383

Are you guys new? Nike already had a video and build guide for condi war and said it was more DPS than melee on Lupi. Way before OXY even knew what a warrior was. If anything Oxy copied Nikes build that was already out.