I was fighting a thief in PvP who was doing 1.5K crit per hit from pistol unload, 8×1.5K = 12k damage for a full unload. I think it is way over the top.
To sum up,
The other day in pvp I discovered that if I don’t dodge, interrupt, or LoS strong channeled abilities, strong channeled abilities do a lot of damage to me.
Man, an expansion would be the perfect time to make some of those reworks happen….
There is always the next one… I think it’s called GW3.
People were getting killed by p/p thieves? Wth?
gl using unload vs anyone with brain and/or interrupts (sup mesmers)
Or a dodge…
So I guess we are great against people not doing anything, and not responding to us spamming them to death with a channeled ablility.
Of course we could already kill those guys pretty effectively with pistols.
in Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns
Posted by: Wryscher.1432
Open beta Battle Front next weekend gogogogo
From what i gather,
Guardians will stay guardians unless they wish they had rolled a ranger.
Rangers will stay Rangers unless they want to be a healer.
Thieves will stay thieves unless they… Ok who the hell knows what thieves will do.
Mesmers will not be seen…. Get it? Get it!?
Engineers will be stealth finding spam bots.
Elementalist will be wondering why they got another main hand dagger.
Necros will be going to town reaper style, since all they have ever wanted was to cut people up with over sized weaponary.
That will learn them.
It turns out invisible map queue zergs were next.
Did they actually say stealth in the video? And what is the description on the disrupt or traps. I’m only asking because as bad as this idea seems, it will be much worse if they decide ‘invisible’ is not broken by a stealth disruptor.
It’s too late now for the druid to be scrapped – what I do expect is stuff to be massively broken when strong healers are released – just think of WvW.
Wait for the large groups of druids trolling zergs for hours as the zerg tries to kill them. =P
This is stranger then I expected… eles can heal with attacks now… oh nevermind.
I don’t mind. Ive never minded playing a healer. So now you can raid when I’m ready! =P
Come on man! T3 is the fite tier! All we want to do is fite fair fites guild vs guild in wide open fields and even numbers. We would never blob, ppt, or hack to take a meaningless objective…
I can’t even type it with a straight face.
Don’t go the irrational “blame Anet” route.
There isnt a game out there that runs 180 player characters with 180 various server connections and ISPs linked together that doesn’t have the same or worse problem.
I came back after spending around 8 months playing ESO.
I was surprised how great GW2 after remembering how laggy it was. So I guess go play some ESO if you want to feel really great about GW2!
Id be happy if they just had an AOE, i want to see all those dumb enough to run to close to get mowed all at once.
I have to agree with what some others have said. Been playing on and off since launch. Ive been on GOM, AR, CD, SBI, SOR, EBAY and really they all seem about the same. The only real difference is how many people are there.
But just to stick up for CD even though i am currently trying to kill them since i am on SBI at the moment, i have no idea what the poster earlier on is talking about. Everyone that i ran into or played with while on CD was really cool and laid back. A guild or 2 would get grumpy if you tried to blob up their guild raid but that was about it.
Anywho every server has cool people and chuckleheads.
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If you mean close in PPT, sure.
That’s only because Maguuma doesn’t play for points. If we did, we would be fighting in Tier 1. We are humble players that pay with honor. If we don’t control ourself and hold back, all servers would cry at our power level.
Isn’t WvW about PPT? How do you tell people not in your guild to hold off? Do you pull punches and not run all out when fighting? Not sure how all that works. When I’m on I play to win. I play to cap and back cap and if I see another server I fight them but I don’t do it at the cost of our teams PPT. I don’t spawn camp, drop siege on dead soldiers, laugh, emote whatever, nor do I run away from a fight. But PPT is what its all about and fights while achieving it. No?
When you run the Zerg you can control the ppt you get. To a certain extent. T3 likes to think if itself as the fight tier. Guilds have a habit of just knocking holes in sm to bring out whoever has it and then just running around the hole fighting whoever shows up.
Or taking a tower and then just squating in it untill people show up to take it back. Heck I’ve seen blobs that could easily have taken everything we owned, open a fully upgraded tower we owned and then just stand outside waiting. When we wouldn’t come out they just left back to their side.
So it isn’t really about not playing to win, they play to win the fights, just not the ppt. Since none of them want to move up, winning over all by a large margin would be bad.
Although with the new transfers coming in there do seem to be more people showing up doing the ppt thing.
At least we aren’t all blobby in t3…
Crap almost typed it with a straight face….
Ok well at least our kitten ppt approach makes sure no one goes anywhere.
I do it on both my necro and mesmer.
Necro is actually a bit easier.
This actually made me laugh out loud. Well played.
… They’re doing it to you, its only a matter of time before even you or those you play with get fed up with it as well to the point they will quit WvW or not play as much or the game altogether…
This is me right now in T3. I transferred up to get more people to play since I tend to play more mornings than evenings. And now prime time is all GvG guilds, which is fun sometimes, I follow them a bit and it’s sadly more rewarding than most WvWing. But it causes a few issues. The don’t attack or defend points, they can have 15 to 40 people on the map(more than one guild group generally) which can push us to the map cap but that’s true for our enemies, some groups do hit the “ppt” players and even farm them for easy bags, it can cause tag confusion, and they will never let T3 change. So if our server wanted to move up or down, it probably won’t happen.
And honestly I don’t really understand the appeal. It’s like, two groups run at each other and see which group dies, and then they regroup and do it again. It’s like kill farming. I get that their is skill involved, I’ve been running with a few guilds learning, but I still don’t really get it. Bags are cool I guess.
So now I wasted 300g+ to play with some people and my choices are: do it again, fork over 30 bucks or whatever it is or suck it up. And given the fact I was already iffy on the expansion, I’m leaning to “bleep it, see you guys when it’s on sale.”
Yeah it’s totally crazy to think some people might prefer to fight each other in a PvP game mode instead of attacking doors to “win” WvW.
But it isnt just the doors they arent attacking. And ive seen this situation play out again and again, so it isnt isolated.
First group is hiding in a tower/fort. Second group comes and knocks down a door or two. First group balls up in tower. Second group backs off and jumps up and down emoting. First group jumps and down emoting. Second group goes i wish these guys would fight us in a open field lets go. Second group leaves. It isnt even a case of siege none was down.
I get these guilds are aiming for fair gvg battles and if that is what they enjoy, great. But dont act like they are just looking for a fight either.
Sounds like they didn’t want to push a bad choke, which is smart since the stability change makes that an even worse disadvantage then before.
Anyway what’s your point? T3 is locked for the time being, winning or losing in PPT isn’t going to bump anyone out of that tier. It makes absolutely no difference.
Let the GvG’ers have fun in their own way, if you want to cap something then go cap something.
Im all for them having fun how they want. Which is why i moved servers. So i can play how i want. My point was more directed at your snarky remark. Yeah it is crazy to think that people might want to pvp instead of attacking doors.
When really your snarky comment should have been it is crazy to think some people might want to pvp with others, when they have the right amount of players, they have the right compisition, they have the right food equiped, they are in an open field, the third server has said they will stand out,and no pugs are nearby. Then play the game mode the way it was designed.
Like i said ,more power to them. If they can carve out a tier for themselves go to it. Who wouldnt love to have a tier play the way they want. I just thought your comment was kinda funny.
… They’re doing it to you, its only a matter of time before even you or those you play with get fed up with it as well to the point they will quit WvW or not play as much or the game altogether…
This is me right now in T3. I transferred up to get more people to play since I tend to play more mornings than evenings. And now prime time is all GvG guilds, which is fun sometimes, I follow them a bit and it’s sadly more rewarding than most WvWing. But it causes a few issues. The don’t attack or defend points, they can have 15 to 40 people on the map(more than one guild group generally) which can push us to the map cap but that’s true for our enemies, some groups do hit the “ppt” players and even farm them for easy bags, it can cause tag confusion, and they will never let T3 change. So if our server wanted to move up or down, it probably won’t happen.
And honestly I don’t really understand the appeal. It’s like, two groups run at each other and see which group dies, and then they regroup and do it again. It’s like kill farming. I get that their is skill involved, I’ve been running with a few guilds learning, but I still don’t really get it. Bags are cool I guess.
So now I wasted 300g+ to play with some people and my choices are: do it again, fork over 30 bucks or whatever it is or suck it up. And given the fact I was already iffy on the expansion, I’m leaning to “bleep it, see you guys when it’s on sale.”
Yeah it’s totally crazy to think some people might prefer to fight each other in a PvP game mode instead of attacking doors to “win” WvW.
But it isnt just the doors they arent attacking. And ive seen this situation play out again and again, so it isnt isolated.
First group is hiding in a tower/fort. Second group comes and knocks down a door or two. First group balls up in tower. Second group backs off and jumps up and down emoting. First group jumps and down emoting. Second group goes i wish these guys would fight us in a open field lets go. Second group leaves. It isnt even a case of siege none was down.
I get these guilds are aiming for fair gvg battles and if that is what they enjoy, great. But dont act like they are just looking for a fight either.
I’m pretty sure Mesmers are lazy by nature. You get kicked out of something, and then 4 hours later some Mesmer is like, ’I’m still hiding in bay, anyone want a port?’
Go do something you lazy Mesmers!
T3 used to be pretty amazing. Lots of roamers, good small group fighting everywhere.
Then T1 took a big dump all over T2 to boost YB because they were “bored.” The T2 fight guilds who wanted none of that lame mindless blob fight BS fled to T3.
While it works out nicely for them, escaping the blob, and they tried to be respectful by splitting up, the rest of the picture is they are expediting the rate at which T3 is ruined, and they’ve taken their own dump all over T3. With no one playing on FA or SoS, those servers will plummet even faster, leaving 2 of the 3 well matched T3 servers to get pushed up into the craphole of T2 that T1 has created, which will completely ruin what T3 had been, and probably destroy the community on those servers.
On top of that, the large majority of the players dont understand that the GvG’rs dont want them around. Instead of commanders that accept everyone and play for fights, we now have a bunch of commanders that run around untagged and dont want anyone following them but their own guildies so they can have perfectly even fights, and they don’t make any effort to help the addons. This is really confusing for the vast majority of the T3 WvW’rs who don’t understand why these guys aren’t helping to take or defend anything and are actively trying not to be followed. It’s also created this whole elitist level of WvW for the native T3 population who are basically told “don’t follow any of the transfer guilds, they dont want to play with us, they just want to play in our yard.”
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Pretty much why I transferred out of T3. Not that any of the guilds were mean, everyone was super cool. They just want to do their own thing. That’s cool. Play the game how you want. It is a game and that is what it is for. But to me it isn’t what I want in WvW. I know, sure I’m a scrub, but I like chaos. 3 servers trying to take SM all at once? Yes please! A guild camped in a tower all the walls down trying to defend it? More please!
I thought maybe it was time to go when we stopped trying to take anything upgraded. There is a guy with an arrow cart in there… Ok move on…
But I really knew it was time to go when I sat and watched servers take turns flipping sm. oh we all got here at the same time? Ok you take, in five minutes, we will try to take it from you, then after you loose or heal up, the next server will try!
Of course I am exaggerating because it entertains me, but as I said, I like the mess, and not knowing what the hell is going on. Not the, hey let’s get 20 people lined up in a field and run at 20 other people lined up in a field.
But if that is what you like and want some gvg give t3 a whack. As I said most the guilds I ran across at least on CD are recruiting and do seem to be very chill, just looking for guild fights..
Or be a lemming scrub like me and move to EB and follow whatever tag happens to be bouncing around. I wonder if they do the color coded thing on EB, maybe I should ask. Ah well I die really fast so I don’t mess up the guild runs for long.
I was thinking a fisticuffs week, where no one can equip a weapon…
If guilds were set to random colors every week, what would be the point of transferring? I guess I’m confused.
But using it against them? How exactly? I guess more ktraining? Because the only way you can use it against someone is race there right before an upgrade hits and take it from them.
Lol.
You just stated the exact way to use it against your enemies. Think a little about what you just wrote there. If you are “exploiting” the system to race to a keep in order to cap it right when an upgrade hits… there is absolutely nothing stopping your enemy from having an entire army there waiting for you, because they know you’re gonna race there to try and flip it.
More information on the battlefield should mean that the pace increases, which is a good thing. Focus the battles around higher priority areas (ie keeps about to upgrade). Which should mean more PvP.
So you agree, more ktraining. Just what we want in WvW.
I am on a T1 server and that is all that is done in WvW NOW. Very few guilds actually do defense and skirmish – most run and hide if you want fights.
The new map looks to place defense above K-training which will be a breath of fresh air for me
It makes me sad everytime we roll up on an upgraded structure we have more then enough to take. But we move on because it would take to long.
But your point is exactly what i worry about. Offense will look at the map and say get their keep before it upgrades! Defense will look at the map and say, let them have the keep it aint up graded lets go take their bay it isnt upgraded!
But maybe i am being overly cynical.
But using it against them? How exactly? I guess more ktraining? Because the only way you can use it against someone is race there right before an upgrade hits and take it from them.
Lol.
You just stated the exact way to use it against your enemies. Think a little about what you just wrote there. If you are “exploiting” the system to race to a keep in order to cap it right when an upgrade hits… there is absolutely nothing stopping your enemy from having an entire army there waiting for you, because they know you’re gonna race there to try and flip it.
More information on the battlefield should mean that the pace increases, which is a good thing. Focus the battles around higher priority areas (ie keeps about to upgrade). Which should mean more PvP.
So you agree, more ktraining. Just what we want in WvW.
Mostly pointless as i see it. Sure it is neat and it doesnt really hurt anytging. But using it against them? How exactly? I guess more ktraining? Because the only way you can use it against someone is race there right before an upgrade hits and take it from them. You can’t stop the upgrade it is auto. So there is not starving a location of supplies so it doesnt upgrade while you work on taking it.
WvW is still very much alive.
On half the servers at any rate.
There are some interesting things at coveragewars2.com
Has some stats on when servers get their points and what not. It isnt perfect obviously but not a bad tool for some addition info.
What’s worse about this entire situation is that Mesmers have taken over Thieves role.
There is absolutely no reason to play a Thief in this current meta when you could have a Mesmer instead.
Thieves rely on stealth and evades to stay alive but mesmers.. no they get clones.. ample supply of boons…. invulnerabilities… and now… PU STEALTH DURATION.
To be fair SA is very very strong. One of the strongest defensive trait lines in the game.
Anet makes some absolutely stupid decisions sometimes and I have no idea why.
The thing that annoys me most is that Mesmers have options. Don’t want to be a stealth heavy burst ? Ok. Just a little stealth? Ok. Don’t want to trait torches to cleanse? Ok do it with your shatters. Need a little extra healing? Oh here put in on your mantras.
Thieves have exactly one option. Stealth. The whole class and anything it does is tied to stealth. Need health? Stealth. Need cleanse? Stealth. Need survivability? Stealth.
Most the fun little gimmicky builds I enjoyed (p/p, s/p) in thief didn’t even include stealth, except maybe black powder as an escape. They are all dead now. With the nurf to thieves Arco line if you aren’t heavy stealth, you aren’t living very long.
Anywho this is my wvw rant maybe thieves are doing swell in pvp.
I’m a Mesmer now anyway… So long live the purple Rays of death?
I thought we were all Mesmers by now?
Ill start working ok my Ascended speargun and breather!
Oh wait underwater combat is horrible. Nevermind.
Id also suggest perhaps trying the Eternal Battleground to start. I dont know how it is on Blackgate but most the servers i have been on usually consider EBG the more casual of the wvw maps. It is easier to get around, and people there usually dont seem as serious as the borderlands.
Happy hunting!
Just roll a mesmer trait all your condition removal and get to trolling them. Unless of course you are standing in the fire. Then it probably wont matter.
I tried out the Darkest Dungeon. Holy bejesus, I hate that game. Yet I cant stop playing. I never swore so much in my life.
After playing ESO’s version of WvW I cant help but laugh when I read these complaints. I know it really isn’t an answer and the things you find frustrating are still frustrating. But it is still funny.
I think you’re ridiculous. I’ll buy an extra copy to make up for you. A week “in gaming” is nothing. There’s life outside of video games. I had a blast.
Bettet make it 3.
It is all fun and games until you log on one day and get the message, ’300 people from (Insert your Server name here) have already logged in and claimed this as their home Server. Please Select a new server from the list of Available Servers.
It is also funny considering they just announced they are going to re-balance Full status based on actual WvW population. Or at least try.
Which given his statement wouldn’t actually be necessary, since there are no exclusive WvW players…. Because the more someone is into something, the more they are also into something completely different…
The problem with the golem bug is it can be acquired by simply killing a golem. Now I don’t foresee how they can possibly ban players for killing golems.
First I have heard of this, but nice story bro.
Pay closer attention then. I went into WvW last night and got the bug somehow without realizing it. I either got it from killing a golem or hopping out of one. Luckily I keep a stack of alphas on me so I was able to get rid of it but if I didn’t have one I would have been stuck with it because I’m not going to waste my time hopping maps just because anet chose to ignore a bug.
Personally I don’t see it as being anymore of a problem than having the Omegas run around with the buff anyway. My roam group decided to spawn camp and ruin the k-trainers fun and we massacred the crappy PvE players that were using this bug, even though they vastly outnumbered us, had siege, and were next to their spawn. They might hit harder but their armor hasn’t changed, just focus target and kill them.
If it was a one or two like you seem to be running into i dont think most people would be as annoyed. Because as you point out, they can still be killed fairly easily.
But when you run into a whole guild group 15-20 running the buff, it is pretty much game over. And im talking actual wvw guilds not silly pve pug group. Either run or wp. There is no fighting that. The other night we had a decent sized guild spawn camping all with the buff and a couple smaller guilds all with the buff watching the two side exits. It is things like this that end with the ban them all mentality.
Few guild members running this. Even spoke about it in /g. Couldn’t get it to work, so they got into TS to coordinate /sigh. Got into a bit of a tiff since it seems they didn’t think it was a exploit but just another bug.
Whatever really. I just de-rep and logged. Only thing I did this week was login and do some dailies. It did take me out to WvW for a few minutes but nothing long tern nor was I on for much more than 30 minutes. My guess is that is how the next couple of weeks go I’ll un-install.
This reminds me of the Ascended thread in /general. 10,000 or so posts and finally they came in and said something. Here we are just a minority of players who while maybe doing the right thing and actually like the play style there isn’t enough reason for the designer/devs to ack our concern let alone fix.
2 gold says this bug has been around a while and we never noticed it and it will be here post Friday…
The dupe bug and the created weapons on golems has been around for some time. In theory this other bug should end on friday. Since the buff the golems have, which is what people are exploiting, will be gone. Or should be. Ok might be. Fine it will probably be here since it seems know one knows how to work this thing any more.
I find it comical that this exploit is allowed to exist, yet name any other one in recent memory (Symbolic Avenger, Grenadier, etc..) and those were taken care of in less than 3 days.
Maybe they fired the guy who coded the buff and he didn’t tell them how to turn it off….
OP your argument lost the ability to hold water the second your post began to assume a mutual exclusivity between WvW players and PvE player. This whole flawed thought process that no one plays both WvW and PvE is absurd.
While you’re not wrong, according to Anet we all play both which is also not remotely close to true.
Do you have a link to something, in which they stated “WE ALL” play both?
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Mike-O-Brien-thinks-you-re-all-into-PvE
Boo that is the short one. It doesn’t even have the part when he tells her she is the exception because she only WvW.
OP your argument lost the ability to hold water the second your post began to assume a mutual exclusivity between WvW players and PvE player. This whole flawed thought process that no one plays both WvW and PvE is absurd.
While you’re not wrong, according to Anet we all play both which is also not remotely close to true.
Do you have a link to something, in which they stated “WE ALL” play both?
Teehee.
I think ive discovered the plan. Lots of peoeple were already complaining that damage in wvw was to high, so here comes the golem buff bug! Now when they turn it off at the end of the week they can say they reduced damage in wvw!
WvW is ruined forever! (Tears)
Look at all these guys just chillin here peacefully dueling despite the exploit.. I thought the buff ruined WvW guys? btw this has beeen going on like this all day.
Could you guys be over reacting a bit?Also I don’t hear anyone commenting on how supply is also currently bugged. I have been trying to spend this 50 supply all week and it just wont go away. I have built rams, ballistas, trebs…it just stays at 50
I know your just trolling, but to point out the obvious, no not the troll buff picture. The dueling. Here we are peacefully dueling… it is great you can duel pat yourself on the back. But dueling isnt actually WvW, and has no affect on the outcome of WvW. So your statement actually has nothing to do with WvW.
Anywho maybe Im just not giving you enough credit and you are twice the troll.
it also might be a good idea to mention when you play. some servers are dead at certain times.
make a ticket ^^
This might actually not be a bad idea. If we all made tickets, that would probably get some attention.
Or you would get banned for abusing the ticket system…
I’m having fun running with a dew friends fighting and flipping. Would much rather deal with a few golems then overwhelming blobs attacking.
So you are saying that this game is much more fun with fewer people playing? You went from overwhelming blob attacks to a few golems. I guess that shows you just how many people don’t agree with you, and your enjoyment of this event.
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