Guild Wars 2

Great Sword needs two things to make it viable as a weapon, they’re really small things as well.

A second condition, Don’t really matter what, Just a second condition somewhere in the line.

Maul to become a Blast Finisher

Spirits are awful, its been covered.

They’re not going to be fixed either, Look at the Guardian Spirit Weapons.

Taym.8326:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

At the very least AR. There are traits to give your pet some of everything else, but not AR.

I’d rather have all these traits disappear, have pets scale with ranger stats (not nec at a 1:1 ratio) and change the beastmastry line to increase the multiplier for pet stats. This way Tank rangers will be in line with other tank classes of other professions and DPS rangers can have pets that assist their line instead of detract from it in the way of traits and abilities. (IE burst pets with condition damage builds)

I also know full well what pets are used by the Power/Toughness/Healing rangers… Guess what its not a Power toughness or healing pet, its a precision vitality pet. In other words it does not back up your spec in the least.

On the topic of glass cannon spec, you still need to monitor your pet, perhaps even MORE than a BM spec which has more stats which will keep it alive. Non BM spec’s also have a longer pet swap cooldown in order to accomplish this. Regardless of what spec you are losing your pet causes a gigantic drop in damage, I don’t even understand how I have to explain this to another ranger.
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Again you’re referring to pets “backing” up your spec….assuming that because you wear tanking/healing gear, a tanking healing pet would be the pet you “really” want….That’s not how these games work, or how the classes were designed in the past, Your pet usually covered your weakness, You were tanky and was going to be the one tanking, You tended to have your pet be the DPS, if you wanted your pet to be the tank, You adopted the most DPS.

That’s a pretty good idea how pet classes generally work in MMO’s….I mean you will have some differences depending on the options of character creation, but that’s usually how it works.

Now for choosing pets, I choose pets based on the utility/burst or DPS it can do…Some Pets are simply designed better in that regard, For example..Underwater i use the “Tank” pet, the Armorfish….Its a High Vitality/Toughness pet but it hits incredibly hard esp if you use the Harpoon gun with its fury. Above Water i’ll use different pets, in my video’s you’ll see me use Spiders/Birds/Drakes/Cats/Wolves/Devouer

Bout the only pets i don’t really use are Pigs/Bears/Moa’s because in general I find those to be pretty awful pets. The Red Moa is alright in groups, but not exactly worth it in my opinion.

As a Glass Cannon spec, most of the Glass Cannon’s i see run Bears or heavy vitality/toughness based pets, the ones you specifically don’t have to monitor a lot.

they have a longer cooldown on pet swap, but their pet is less likely to be bursted down in two seconds.

They’re also not relying on a huge portion of their damage for the pet.

Comparing the two as “gigantic” drops of damage is silly, You’ll lose some damage as a Glass Cannon spec if your pet dies

But it is not remotely in comparison to the guy who invested 30 Points into a Line specifically improving a pet. Nor is the pet your “main” source of damage/burst as a Glass Cannon spec…

So no my friend, It is not the same, and the fact that I need to explain this to someone makes me a little sad…

Sand Beagle.9867:

Xsorus.2507:

If you’re able to kill the ranger first, kill the ranger first

This is for all the people out there who somehow fail at that task.

Bursting down the pet is viable, esp if you can kill the second pet just as fast.

You will remove a large source of damage, and really the only condition removal he has.

Well then you have to consider the balance consequences of almost always having to kill the pet first to take down the ranger.

Consider the engineer on TF2. Generally the engineer is always near his turret, and to kill the engineer you have to destroy the turret. How would it affect gameplay if the engineer was given a rocket launcher or sticky grenades to shoot the openings or doorways where he knows you have to stand behind to take pot shots and his turrets?

Same with the ranger. Is the ranger too strong, given the fact that his pet also contributes significantly to his damage and survivability?

It’s not much different from having to burn through the Necro’s Deathshroud Mechanic.

Or Having to kill the thief before he goes stealth again…Its basically a mechanic at delaying the death of the main character, Some of the classes have that mechanic.

Again, if we’re talking about Trap Rangers (which i’m assuming we are since we’re talking about engineer with sticky grenades) you have to understand, Trap Rangers generally have 5 points in the pet line, This makes any pet they have pretty squishy and very easy to kill.

If we’re talking a BM Bunker build, just remember that the ranger is the tank, and the pet is the DPS. You decide which one you want to kill first.

Regardless, Unless I saw like a Bear pet, and I was worried about being able to kill the trap ranger 1v1, I’d kill the pet first….

I personally don’t have much trouble killing the Trap Rangers with my Thief and Ranger, but it seems to be difficult for some.

Sand Beagle.9867:

Xsorus.2507:

If you’re dealing with a Trap Ranger, there is multiple ways to end the rangers life, but the fastest is 2v1ing the Trap Ranger, since he has like zero escapes…. The second fastest would be to simply burst down the pet then the ranger.

I do love that you’re complaining about having to change your build up to deal with a meta that’s come along, That is quite entertaining.

Bad argument. The fastest way of dealing with any one person is always a gank, the ranger is not unique in this regard. Blowing all or some of your cooldowns to “burst” down the pet is pretty silly, because they still have a second pet, plus while you’re doing that you’re still getting hit by the ranger. Those are not viable solutions.

If you’re able to kill the ranger first, kill the ranger first

This is for all the people out there who somehow fail at that task.

Bursting down the pet is viable, esp if you can kill the second pet just as fast.

You will remove a large source of damage, and really the only condition removal he has.

capuchinseven.8395:

I think dagger is underrated as well, and I feel bad because I’ve disagreed with users of it in the past, but I’ve found myself using it more and more in sPVP and while I miss my axe #5 I can’t live without the cripple and extra dodge (on a stupidly low cooldown) anymore. As well as that the damage is really not that bad, it’s not as high as torch but with a condition build it’s still decent damage output.

It’s comical watching thieves try and immobilise me. I’m most likely using my shortbow so I hit quickshot, you don’t move back but you still gain the evade, jump to melee set and then have another three evades that will all still evade even if you’re immobile and then after all that and I need some ground or I decide for a total retreat I can time the removal of conditions hit Lightening Reflexes and then Hornet Sting, hold my “about face key” and hit Monarch’s Leap, it covers a HUGE amount of ground all of them also evading as they go. It sounds a lot but I’ve got it down to a fine art now, just simple practice, the ground I can cover in retreat is massive.

That’s before you even consider my two normal evades with increased endurance regen and vigor.

Even if the thief catches up to me I don’t care, my cooldowns are so short I just do the whole thing all over again, evading all the way with my regen pumping away. Thieves that can kill me are few and far between.

Although all that said, I’m not suggesting that our ability to retreat means we’re perfectly okay, just that the off hand dagger extra dodge has become a powerful tool for me, even with the large damage output of the torch, which is also a very good off hand.

Maybe if the horn had a CC removal on it’s #5 as well, I’d use it more.

(Ignore bad english, typed on a phone).

If you’re running Lightning/Shortbow/Sword, and want a laugh, get in a fight with someone.

Pop Sword Leap Back, then Lightning, then switch to Bow and do its leap back.

NinjaEd.3946:

Xsorus.2507:

NinjaEd.3946:

Xsorus.2507:

NinjaEd.3946:

TGSlasher.1458:

I want to remove / make optional the ranger mechanic because I play GW1 as a Ranger/Mesmer and never had a pet (except Pre-Searing start area). I was my favorite, barrage ranger, echo trap ranger mmmmm….. donuts.

I remember the days of GW1 ranger… ahhh (only had proph so I’m sure it woulda been twice as fun) but I liked their old system for ranger much more. It allowed for pets, spirits, etc. But you weren’t bound to it. You could spec in many ways, such as interupting skills(not reasonable here but it was A option) or your own dps and say forget this pet, back to your cage!

I dearly miss finding elite skills as well :/ Now we just level, get some magical currency and vwala, it is there now!

In response to Wanderer, I dont see targeting a pet effective at all. If they spec BM, they can summon the other pet and the other pet comes back fairly quick. It’d be like telling someone targeting necro minions is more effective, well if you mean single targeting the minions then absolutly no, but AoE maybe. The ranger has some very strong traits/utility skills but thats not to say they are unkillable. Even really good trap rangers(hard to say that without smacking myself) drop if you know what to do (pst, don’t walk into their obvious traps and use pull/teleport skills if you have to rather than running striaght at them or leaping.)

killing a pet forces a swap usually, and that’s a 60 second cooldown.

If you kill both pets, you’re probably looking at 30+ seconds without condition removal and the extra damage, it is a valid tactic.

That still means the ranger themselves was hitting you, and I’m sure they packed some punch to keep you at bay. Unless your glass, which would be silly, your not likely to kill both pets THAT quick unless the ranger was afk and the pet was on passive. If someone specs in BM, they more than likely try to keep that pet alive and will have the healing/utility skills to help them out.

It may seem good but I have targetd a pet before, they take a ton of hits (usually ppl run atleast 1 bear) and the ranger keeps wailing on ya. In the end, I just ignore that dag nabbin mamal and move to the sorce of the dmg, the Ranger. If they die, the pet dies. If ranger kites you while pet eats you, you have been outplayed and should rethink your strategy. Doesn’t always work but anytime I target some summon/ally it just ends up wasting my time/cooldowns.

If I can kill a pet as a full Apothecary wearing Ranger, you should be able to do it.

Also you’re throwing two different Ranger builds in the post.

Trap Build = Easy to kill pet, and what people complain about.

BM Bunker build = Bunker Spec, should be hard to kill.

I didn’t talk about trap build there, lol. By utility I mean skills like the signets or LOL spirits. Troll unguent works well but healing spring for that initial heal. Traits are a whole nother story.

You may be able to kill 1 pet really quick, but you most likely wasted either multiple cooldowns or initiative (depending on prof) which would of been better off taking down the ranger who thinks their pet will cover them. If your cond built well that cond transfer trait is kinda your enemy but power builds shouldn’t have an issue.
I have killed rangers with cond thief b4 and I clearly saw them spec’ed in pet as other ppl were attacking his/her bear and it wouldn’t go away for a second. Just never really saw the point in targeting addons in spvp :/

Quite honestly I’m shocked anyone claims ranger to be OP. They can be annoying, so can mesmers, so can ele, so can necro and guardian and engineer and thief…. they are all considered to some “annyoing”. They just need more competitive builds but trap rangers arn’t hard to deal with if you got teleports or you avoid walking straight into their pit of death they laid out for you. I made a ranger build that focuses entirly on 2 things for me, cond dmg and pet survival. No traps in my build or entangle and I have fun with it. Would it be at par in tpvp? probably not

condition thieves should have zero trouble killing a ranger, I have one….They aren’t a problem..

If you see a bear pet, kill the ranger…just assume the ranger is bad.

Every other pet you can kill the pet if you really want to.

jkctmc.8754:

Xsorus.2507:

jkctmc.8754:

Xsorus.2507:

SilverWF.4789:

I just love bow/pet classes – my Squig Herder in the Warhammer Online was my most likely class (even when he was nerfed like a peice of… you know)
And there is no analogues over Ranger: Warrior with bow looks ugly. Thief? Maybe, but…
So, I playing ranger sometimes, anyway

hehe, I loved my Squig Herder in WAR.

Remember the Morale 3 Ability that increased the Squig Herder Pet to massive size and caused him to kill people.

I use to watch my Spiked Squig kill people in like 5 seconds…was so funny..

I played a Ranger in EQ1, EQII, etc, but really couldn’t get into the pet classes in War, and really hated the Squig Herder. That might have been because my group had me playing healers since EQII, and I really couldn’t get into another role for awhile now. Now that most of my group isn’t playing MMOs due to new businesses, I’m back to playing a different role.

Squig always cracked me up, Mainly because Certain points in the game it was really good.

At the start of the game a lot of people dismissed the class but the Spiked Squig was insane back then, It had a Ramped up dot that honestly no one paid attention to until the dodge of the dot started to tic, It was basically delayed like 3 or 4 seconds but then would instantly apply at once and you’d just eat things like BW’s alive.

They changed it afterwards to honestly make it worse in my opinion but it was still a very good pet, Another thing that made it great was it took advantage of whatever Group Damage Proc Buffs you had in a group…so if you had Sorcs/DoK’s you instantly made that Spiked Squig a death machine…..

Also people back then tended to load up completely on Ballista Stat and ignore Weaponskill (a lot of people did that with multiple classes, ignoring Weaponskill, I always found that to be an amazing stat)

I started usually running very high Weaponskill so I ignored lots of armor, and that worked for a very long time (even on my Shadow Warrior it worked great) until they added the RR81-100 Ranks with the new gear sets.

After that armor and the stats simply outpaced our damage, I never got to RR100 to see if it changed any, but I noticed a massive damage drop when people started getting to that gear level.

I was mostly a Knight who’s pirmary job was to protect a Bright Wizard. When the Bright Wizard wasn’t on, I was an impossible to kill Rune Priest.

My secondary account had a low level Squig Herder, that every time I logged onto him, I just couldn’t get the feel of the class. I don’t remember why. So I would play my Choppa for a change of pace.

My Order characters was a Knight of the Blazing Sun and Shadow Warrior. I also ran in a group with multiple BW’s were my job was debuffing and knocking people down (the Warhammer Online Video I have listed has me in it, I was the Knight in the group we were running)

I went and tested your Regens vs The Ranger regens

Healing Signet with 1223 Healing Power = 240 Health Regen
Adrenal Healing with Max Adrenal = 360 Health Regen
Shout = 2170 Heal Per Shout

A Ranger with 1338 Healing Power (Take note, This is greater then the warriors)
Signet of the hunt = 145 Health Regen
Natural Healing = 176 Health Regen (This is with Compassion Training Talent for the pet)

The Closest thing we have to shouts is Regen Boon, which is 304. I didn’t bother checking to see if you could get a good staple of Regen.

Vanthian.9267:

Xsorus.2507:

A. Its not 24/7 Protection, It’s 2 seconds of protection per dodge 24/7 Protection would be something like Elementalist and maybe Guardian.

B. The Regen is the same as your Signet Heal, we can an extra regen via a talent that would be comparable to your Shout healing you talent.

C. Protection? Are you referring to the dodge protection? Because other then it and the one in Natures line for 5 seconds we don’t have a whole lot of protections available. This isn’t the Warrior class…

It sounds like he outplayed you to be honest, I mean you couldn’t kill him…..Despite being a burst warrior…

Quite sad really.

One, he did have protection up at least 75% of the time. The regen he had is no where near as crappy as the Warrior signet. Comparing it to that is laughable. Even my trait as a Warrior is crap. In total if I had both I would regen maybe 400 health every 3 seconds. Also, shout heals on a 25 second cool down that only heal for 1,000.. yeah that isn’t going to cut it. That is no where near what he was doing.

Also, you must not know a lot about the Warrior class… “we don’t have a whole lot of protections available. This isn’t the Warrior class…” Whaa? Warriors have 0 , count them, 0 skills/traits that give protection.

A. you can’t have protection up 75% of the time as a Ranger. You get the 2 Protections I listed, Now..You can use something like Superior Rune of the Forge…That might be how he was getting a lot of protection, But you have that available to yourself as well.

B. Signet of the Wild has the same level of Regen as the Warrior Signet, Difference being he probably has Healing Power while you don’t, because that’s how he’s specced.

C. The Adrenal Health Talent might be comparable to Natural Healing, I’ll actually log in and test both of them in a second to see how comparable they are.

D. That’s more then a Ranger Has available to us, We have the 2 Regens basically.

E. I stand corrected on the Protection, you have other forms of defense available, but no protection.

F. Our Regens don’t heal for 2-3k every 6 seconds… Unless you’re talking bout maybe our Main Heal?

“I have never once seen an sPvP player take a bear into a match. It hinders your damage too much, to even come close to the DPS potential of another class you have to bring pets that add to your damage otherwise you just become a squishy hybrid dps.”

You’ve never once seen a ranger use a Bear pet? Really? I can’t throw a stone without hitting 10 bear pets from 10 different rangers. Granted they’re coming less and less noticeable as people simply don’t go Squishy Glass Cannon anymore thus don’t use things like Protect Me and the Stone Signet as much. However before the new “craze” they were quite common.

“What you are failing to realize is that this “I want my cake and eat it too” approach to Bunker-DPS ranger is what is going to get the class as a whole nerfed. most likely in the damage of our weapon sets, which would be most unacceptable. To every ranger that is not BM spec (IE Pow/cri, Tough/condi, hybrid pow/condi) this would be a massive buff to their specs as pets would now natively SUPPORT a players spec instead of having to waste traits to make yourself condi and your pet “sorta” condi. This would also outmode many ranger traits leaving around 8~ traits that could be replaced by things that would improve the rangers strength as a whole.”

What stats do you think a Bunker Ranger is? they’re most like Power/Toughness/Healing and Condition/Toughness/Healing.

It also wouldn’t be a buff to the Ranger, Your stats right now aren’t comparable to the Pets Stats.. You think you’re going to match the Precision/Power of the Bird/Cats?

All this would accomplish is making most of the Pets Carbon Copy, and weakening most of the current good pets.

As for BM spec requiring the least attention? No….That would be Glass Cannon Specs or any spec that doesn’t require the pet to do damage… BM Bunker Pet requires you to monitor your pet, It requires you to swap your pet often, If you don’t, you’re failing to play a BM Bunker properly.

Rambodacious.7495:

I love that the rangers in this thread are saying “All you have to do is 2v1 us to win.”

LOL. Because having to have a second person to win is balance amirite? HAHAHA

Further, some moron on the first page tried to compare losing ALL CONDITIONS EVERY 10 SECONDS with losing 1 condition every 10 seconds and then claimed they’re equal.

And the last ignorance these skilless need-to-be-overpowered-to-win rangers are claiming is that “just completely adjust your build to have massive amounts of cc and you’ll win.” Ya kids, because butchering a build and being subpar against every other class we come across is viable. “Gee, I hope I fight 5 rangers in this tournie cause otherwise I’m kittened!”

Immune to conditions, perma vigor and protection everytime they dodge? Like seriously, THERE IS NO THREAD HERE, rangers are BLATANTLY overpowered. End. Finish. /thread.

If you’re dealing with a Trap Ranger, there is multiple ways to end the rangers life, but the fastest is 2v1ing the Trap Ranger, since he has like zero escapes…. The second fastest would be to simply burst down the pet then the ranger.

I do love that you’re complaining about having to change your build up to deal with a meta that’s come along, That is quite entertaining.

Vanthian.9267:

Xsorus.2507:

So let me see if I understand this..

You killed the ranger the first time, then the second time couldn’t kill him, but he couldn’t kill you..and you’re mad?

Also your post is quite hilarious

“He only survived based on his access to the abilities of his class, The abilities my class have play no part in how amazing I’m at the game”

No, I am not mad, I am asking why do Rangers have access to 24/7 protection and regen. That is truly the only reason he survived. He couldn’t dodge anything I put on him because I could easily bait him out of his stun breakers. I was completely out of skills and basically walked around the map with him chasing me.

Who can’t catch up to a Warrior with rush+whirlwind+bull charge+signet of rage on cool down? He should have easily finished me off just by crippling me and auto attacking.

Edit: I killed him the first time because he just ran around in circles while letting his pet attack me. When I got him to half health with auto attacks he tried to burst me down. I guess he assumed I was a noob since I haven’t switched my weapons or armor from the starter. Needless to say, once he was at half I full 100 blade+frenzy+bulls charge, he dropped. He didn’t use his protection in that fight, only the regen.

A. Its not 24/7 Protection, It’s 2 seconds of protection per dodge 24/7 Protection would be something like Elementalist and maybe Guardian.

B. The Regen is the same as your Signet Heal, we can an extra regen via a talent that would be comparable to your Shout healing you talent.

C. Protection? Are you referring to the dodge protection? Because other then it and the one in Natures line for 5 seconds we don’t have a whole lot of protections available. This isn’t the Warrior class…

It sounds like he outplayed you to be honest, I mean you couldn’t kill him…..Despite being a burst warrior…

Quite sad really.

Vanthian.9267:

What I want to know is why do they get protection on dodge roll plus a constant regen effect (I don’t know where it comes from) that basically makes them near immortal.

I was on my Warrior and came across a Ranger. He thought he would be a “leet PvPer” and give me a head start then try to burst me down, big mistake. I took him down easy and shoved his pet down his throat. Then he came back and actually played. He was mediocre at the class; I say this because he got hit by things he should have been able to easily dodge.

The only reason I could not kill him was the constant regen and full time protection. I could easily get him to 25% multiple times in a fight, but he would just heal right back up in less than 9 seconds. I would bait him to use his evades every time, but still my burst would fail even though it hit 100% on.

I had to run away just due to cool downs, while he could just sit there and auto attack me and swap pets for quickness.

He basically chased me the entire match and never got me below 75% health while I spiked him multiple times with my full burst combo and he always survived with at least 25% health. He didn’t survive the combo due to skill. He only survived due to his class having access to regen and protection basically 24/7.

I clearly outplayed this person, but just due to class traits and general boon access I couldn’t kill him,. Any decent Ranger would have wiped the floor with me the second my burst was off and I was out of cool downs.

Any suggestions as to how to get the upper hand on mediocre PvP Rangers? I know if they are good, a Warrior doesn’t stand a chance.

So let me see if I understand this..

You killed the ranger the first time, then the second time couldn’t kill him, but he couldn’t kill you..and you’re mad?

Also your post is quite hilarious

“He only survived based on his access to the abilities of his class, The abilities my class have play no part in how amazing I’m at the game”

NinjaEd.3946:

Xsorus.2507:

NinjaEd.3946:

TGSlasher.1458:

I want to remove / make optional the ranger mechanic because I play GW1 as a Ranger/Mesmer and never had a pet (except Pre-Searing start area). I was my favorite, barrage ranger, echo trap ranger mmmmm….. donuts.

I remember the days of GW1 ranger… ahhh (only had proph so I’m sure it woulda been twice as fun) but I liked their old system for ranger much more. It allowed for pets, spirits, etc. But you weren’t bound to it. You could spec in many ways, such as interupting skills(not reasonable here but it was A option) or your own dps and say forget this pet, back to your cage!

I dearly miss finding elite skills as well :/ Now we just level, get some magical currency and vwala, it is there now!

In response to Wanderer, I dont see targeting a pet effective at all. If they spec BM, they can summon the other pet and the other pet comes back fairly quick. It’d be like telling someone targeting necro minions is more effective, well if you mean single targeting the minions then absolutly no, but AoE maybe. The ranger has some very strong traits/utility skills but thats not to say they are unkillable. Even really good trap rangers(hard to say that without smacking myself) drop if you know what to do (pst, don’t walk into their obvious traps and use pull/teleport skills if you have to rather than running striaght at them or leaping.)

killing a pet forces a swap usually, and that’s a 60 second cooldown.

If you kill both pets, you’re probably looking at 30+ seconds without condition removal and the extra damage, it is a valid tactic.

That still means the ranger themselves was hitting you, and I’m sure they packed some punch to keep you at bay. Unless your glass, which would be silly, your not likely to kill both pets THAT quick unless the ranger was afk and the pet was on passive. If someone specs in BM, they more than likely try to keep that pet alive and will have the healing/utility skills to help them out.

It may seem good but I have targetd a pet before, they take a ton of hits (usually ppl run atleast 1 bear) and the ranger keeps wailing on ya. In the end, I just ignore that dag nabbin mamal and move to the sorce of the dmg, the Ranger. If they die, the pet dies. If ranger kites you while pet eats you, you have been outplayed and should rethink your strategy. Doesn’t always work but anytime I target some summon/ally it just ends up wasting my time/cooldowns.

If I can kill a pet as a full Apothecary wearing Ranger, you should be able to do it.

Also you’re throwing two different Ranger builds in the post.

Trap Build = Easy to kill pet, and what people complain about.

BM Bunker build = Bunker Spec, should be hard to kill.

NinjaEd.3946:

TGSlasher.1458:

I want to remove / make optional the ranger mechanic because I play GW1 as a Ranger/Mesmer and never had a pet (except Pre-Searing start area). I was my favorite, barrage ranger, echo trap ranger mmmmm….. donuts.

I remember the days of GW1 ranger… ahhh (only had proph so I’m sure it woulda been twice as fun) but I liked their old system for ranger much more. It allowed for pets, spirits, etc. But you weren’t bound to it. You could spec in many ways, such as interupting skills(not reasonable here but it was A option) or your own dps and say forget this pet, back to your cage!

I dearly miss finding elite skills as well :/ Now we just level, get some magical currency and vwala, it is there now!

In response to Wanderer, I dont see targeting a pet effective at all. If they spec BM, they can summon the other pet and the other pet comes back fairly quick. It’d be like telling someone targeting necro minions is more effective, well if you mean single targeting the minions then absolutly no, but AoE maybe. The ranger has some very strong traits/utility skills but thats not to say they are unkillable. Even really good trap rangers(hard to say that without smacking myself) drop if you know what to do (pst, don’t walk into their obvious traps and use pull/teleport skills if you have to rather than running striaght at them or leaping.)

killing a pet forces a swap usually, and that’s a 60 second cooldown.

If you kill both pets, you’re probably looking at 30+ seconds without condition removal and the extra damage, it is a valid tactic.

GS blows if you’re condition build, I know that…

It’s great for bursting with pet though (see NN Volume 3 for example)

Maul needs to be a blast finisher I think to make it really viable for Condition builds (this would give it a use for Trap Builds)

I’m sure it’s actually a decent weapon if you’re Knights/Cleric/Magi setup though.

Axe offhand is easily the worst weapon we have.

I use to think it was alright, but man.. no longer..

Lordrosicky.5813:

As a necro start with S/D and load a few stacks of bleed quickly. When they wipe these then a few more auto attacks with scepter and switch into staff and unload your condition burst works the best.

But yeh the fact their pet makes conditions vanish is a huge advantage as it means their pet isnt dying when he should be.

Fix that and rangers should be fine. Sure traps should probably visible or should have their cd’s reset when they are triggered not placed. But I dont mind either way.

They should fix the bug first and see what effect that has. It should make rangers a little worse.

Only judging by what the talent says, it’s not a bug.

It says “take” vs “transfer”

Note that you can actually throw conditions onto the pet, and it will not remove them unless he swaps pets. If you want to hurt the ranger, You could specifically throw conditions on the pet to force a swap then burst down the second pet.

I always found EQ’s Rangers to be better as melee then bow ;o)

Ranger type classes though it depended.

Duel Wield Rangers for a long time in DAOC were amazing (eventually bow took over after they nerfed Duel Wield’s cutting of block chance)

Warhammer Online’s Ranger type classes (Squig/Shadow Warrior) could be Melee Based, I know Assault SW’s weren’t bad for a while, but eventually got to be kind of Blah compared to the bow users. Squig Armor was always fun.

Rift’s Ranger Soul though was bow/pet based.

Trying to think what other games had Rangers in them…

Dynnen.6405:

selan.8354:

EvilSardine.9635:

Yep, confusion needs to be nerfed. Even my friend who has a mesmer says so. If you’re saying otherwise, then you’re silly and have ZERO experience fighting a good confusion mesmer. Atleast lower it to the damage it does in PvP. In WvW the damage is just absurd. Like 8 stacks or so of confusion on a warrior will do a ridiculous 5,000 damage just because he DODGE ROLLS….you know to avoid more confusion attacks.

We’ve done done tests using classes with as many condition removals as possible and the good mesmer can keep confusion on you the entire time. You can be a warrior with mending, shake it off (letting auto trait trigger then using it manually after), and rune of the soldier so conditions are removed when you use a shout, and you will still have constant confusion put on you. It’s too easy to apply.

It’s pretty obvious it needs to be tweaked in WvW. Damage is cut down by 50% in PvP. You cannot argue that it doesn’t need balancing if Anet already did it for PvP.

if u have gotten 5000 dmg then it was a crit and u must have run into th nullfield that was placed together with th bubble. we put both fields down at the same time so it causes more dmg.i dodge out of enemiy mesmers bubble all the time and don’t get that kind of dmg. whats your thoughness.

1) It CAN’T CRIT
2) 5k damage was a bit of an over-statement, but not much. Happy/Angry Unicorns a guy we fight quite often, has his 8 stack confusion hits that hit for 3400, and I’m pretty sure isn’t running the 2100 condition damage I’ve seen from our new mesmers.

Lastly. The next person that says “Confusion only kills bad players” needs to leave this thread. Its not the confusion that kills you, its the confusion that causes such heinous damage that prevents you from doing anything that kills you. Also, no one can say “I’ve never been hit by condition damage” so I guess we are all bad players.

If you’re fighting a Mesmer who’s stacking that much confusion damage against you, Guess what..He basically can’t do squat else against you besides Confusion.

Confusion only kills you if you let it kill you.

Taym.8326:

Pendleton.6385:

In my opinion, the pet scaling and reflecting our primary stats would hurt BM/Bunker builds. My pet is my main source of dps. I like that he doesn’t scale with me.

I tank while it hurts people. I’m still amazed how many opposing players don’t pay attention to pets.

But this is exactly the problem, a high damage pet that requires little to no attention that counteracts the spec that the player has chosen, what you describe what you enjoy so much is the balance issue itself.

Only that’s the way the Ranger Class is designed.

You become the “tank” while your pet is the “DPS”

It’s why you have glass cannon rangers generally use bears

They’re the DPS while their pet is the TANK

This is not a foreign concept for a game, It’s how a lot of games actually work with Ranger type classes.

nekos.2584:

My opinion, people think rangers are bad because rangers are not rangers. They are a melee class with a broken pet. LB and SB are, again my opinion, the 2 worst options / weapons for a ranger.

If you want a ranger or archer make a warrior with a bow. I highly suggest everyone does this anyway to check it out. Just spend 5 minutes in sPvP with a warrior and a bow. It will make you cry if you wanted to play an archer type character and mistakenly picked the ranger.

Figured this out month’s ago..

If you want to do the glass cannon pew pew setup..

Warrior is better at it.

EvilSardine.9635:

Yep, confusion needs to be nerfed. Even my friend who has a mesmer says so. If you’re saying otherwise, then you’re silly and have ZERO experience fighting a good confusion mesmer. Atleast lower it to the damage it does in PvP. In WvW the damage is just absurd. Like 8 stacks or so of confusion on a warrior will do a ridiculous 5,000 damage just because he DODGE ROLLS….you know to avoid more confusion attacks.

We’ve done done tests using classes with as many condition removals as possible and the good mesmer can keep confusion on you the entire time. You can be a warrior with mending, shake it off (letting auto trait trigger then using it manually after), and rune of the soldier so conditions are removed when you use a shout, and you will still have constant confusion put on you. It’s too easy to apply.

It’s pretty obvious it needs to be tweaked in WvW. Damage is cut down by 50% in PvP. You cannot argue that it doesn’t need balancing if Anet already did it for PvP.

The Warrior taking damage on Dodge Roll has zero to do with Confusion being overpowered and everything to do with that talent being a crappy talent to have on a class.

I’m sorry, if you attack when you have greater then 5 stacks of confusion on yourself, You deserve to respawn..

The 17 Stack Warrior spamming his attacks in that one video was the best though.

Confusion is like Mass Betrayal and TI from Dominators in Rift.

It’s a Tax on Bad players.

The only drake worth using in World vs World is the Swamp Drake.

River Drake (the lightning one) will miss his attack 9/10 usually

Swamp Drake though, the Poison attack actually hits fairly decent (bout 500-600 x5 + the poison), has 900 Range, and he can fire it behind himself.

So he’s not a bad choice if you like Drakes.

Dxnice.8647:

Thanks for the responses! How viable is s/d + a/t in wvw with condition?

Also, what kind of runes\sigils would you suggest?

Very good 1vX in small manning

Get to a keep and switch over to the Guard/Sickem/QZ abilities and send your Jaguar pet over the walls to kill people. Watch my Natures Ninja videos for example.

Runes Undead would fine, I’m currently working on getting Superior Rune of Nightmare though.

Sigils, as condition build, Superior Sigil of Geomancy and Superior Sigil of Corruption on both weapon sets.

Dxnice.8647:

I was fighting a ranger using s/d + a/t who was very tanky due to spring regen and able to dish out a lot of conditions. I assume he was using the bm tanky 30/10/30 traits. I want to try this out myself on my ranger. Anyone know what kind of gear I should get for armor/jewels/weps to maximize healing and condition dmg? Would this be a viable build in w3? It definitely looked good in spvp!

Also what kind of dmg synergizes better with a HS/healing power type build, condition or direct dmg? Thanks in advance

Apothecary Armor/Weapons, Passiflora Jewelry

See my videos

Othayuni.7369:

As a ranger interested in build design, what kind of procs are people getting off their crits? Weapon sigils? Or is there stuff we have inherently?

If you run the regular BM Bunker build?

which is 0/0/30/10/30…Sigil of Geomancy is your best bet.

Your crit will be low already, so using Crit based sigils with a setup like that is pointless.

Sigil of Geomancy will give you a pbae 3 stack bleed every time you weapon swap.

now if you go with a more power based build with fury stacking, There are a bunch of different sigils for that.

But the condition based build, put a Sigil of Geomancy on both weapon sets. I use Corruption as my other sigil on the weapon sets.

capuchinseven.8395:

Xsorus.2507:

capuchinseven.8395:

Xsorus.2507:

capuchinseven.8395:

nerva.7940:

runes of the undead (added to pizza and 25 stacks of corruption) gives about 1600 condition damage, which is absolutely disgusting considering how much tank you have. i havent met any prof/spec that i couldnt melt. i will need a lot of convincing to give up undead!

This, I’ll run undead (or melandru in the past) and the amount of damage I can put out and still be survivable is great. My guess is you run more defensive stats than me though and my condition damage is below yours as I try and run as high a precision as I can for the chance on crit to bleed sigil as well as life steal food which means lower healing. I don’t gain the corruption stacks.

I might try dropping my precision some to get my condition a little higher but I like the life steal and chance to bleed on crit and not worrying about my positioning as I only run traps in sPVP and not in W3 so in W3 I like to know I can bleed without moving behind them.

I agree with Xsorus on the condition duration but I’ve just found I prefer the extra condition damage from undead and can get higher duration from food anyway, I prefer the damage.

The way it works is, lets say you just have the 40% condition duration from food..

Your torch throw will say “Does X amount of damage over 8 1/2 seconds” You don’t get that 1/2 second of damage.. So basically any Condition Duration from the 40% food that is 1/2, 3/4, 1/3 is wasted….

If you pickup an extra 10% condition duration from any source, You bump the Torch throw to 9 seconds, Which means you gain an extra 600-700 damage on your burn

Yes but condition removal really needs to be considered from a PVP and WvW point of view, as well as things like bleeds reaching a max when applied by more than more source.

Hence why I’m not sure I’d want to run the runes and food.

from a WvW standpoint, I run into more people with no condition removal then those with it..

That’s a fair point, I run with a tight group and we’ll condition remove a lot, but your point is fair. And I do agree with your main point, duration is better than damage I’m just not sure I want to run the food and the runes (I’m just trying to convince myself so I don’t have to spend more money on a runes change.

I mean you don’t have to do the dungeons for the Superior Rune of nightmare if ya don’t want..I mean it’s not a massive deal…its just something i’m working on getting right now

Reading the SPvP forums right now is hilarious..

capuchinseven.8395:

Xsorus.2507:

capuchinseven.8395:

nerva.7940:

runes of the undead (added to pizza and 25 stacks of corruption) gives about 1600 condition damage, which is absolutely disgusting considering how much tank you have. i havent met any prof/spec that i couldnt melt. i will need a lot of convincing to give up undead!

This, I’ll run undead (or melandru in the past) and the amount of damage I can put out and still be survivable is great. My guess is you run more defensive stats than me though and my condition damage is below yours as I try and run as high a precision as I can for the chance on crit to bleed sigil as well as life steal food which means lower healing. I don’t gain the corruption stacks.

I might try dropping my precision some to get my condition a little higher but I like the life steal and chance to bleed on crit and not worrying about my positioning as I only run traps in sPVP and not in W3 so in W3 I like to know I can bleed without moving behind them.

I agree with Xsorus on the condition duration but I’ve just found I prefer the extra condition damage from undead and can get higher duration from food anyway, I prefer the damage.

The way it works is, lets say you just have the 40% condition duration from food..

Your torch throw will say “Does X amount of damage over 8 1/2 seconds” You don’t get that 1/2 second of damage.. So basically any Condition Duration from the 40% food that is 1/2, 3/4, 1/3 is wasted….

If you pickup an extra 10% condition duration from any source, You bump the Torch throw to 9 seconds, Which means you gain an extra 600-700 damage on your burn

Yes but condition removal really needs to be considered from a PVP and WvW point of view, as well as things like bleeds reaching a max when applied by more than more source.

Hence why I’m not sure I’d want to run the runes and food.

from a WvW standpoint, I run into more people with no condition removal then those with it..

Archaon.6245:

HPLT.7132:

Haha really? And what do you do, when for example the ranger goes into power and also the pet power scales with the ranger. After such a pet you will instantly see 3 threads in this forum, where people complaining about the “new pet strength”. It is the mechanic of a ranger! When you go to gym to build up your muscles, your dog will not benefit from that. The same is true for gw2 pets…
Even when you spec into BM it happen that in big fights, (>=3 people) glass canon pets will die very often. And dont forget pets are an unreliable constant in a fight because you cant really control them.

And for your interest: 0/15/15/15/25 is not a viable BM build

Actual dps pets are strong enough to be an already “scaled” per for a full dps spec…aswell as a bear is already good as a bunker pet….right now rangers already have high dps or high toughness pets the problem is that they can get the opposite of what they’re running to compensate build’s lacks. Using scaling pets doesn’t mean that those pets are going to get buffed…it means putting limitations on pet choices and make dps ones aviable for dps stats only (Or setting all pets like a 0 stat character gaining the same power/prec/tough/healing and so on of the owner) A bunker ranger just must not be able to take a pet made for a dps one…like pretty much everyone do

Now its just getting silly at this point..

You want to remove the basic class mechanic of the ranger now because you don’t know you’re suppose to kill the pets first?

Wanderer.5471:

Eurantien.4632:

Kill the pet twice.

^ this. Most pets can be swapped every ~20 seconds – that gives you 20 seconds to kill a pet with conditions, vs 10 seconds to kill the player (before cleanse). If you can kill a pet in 20 seconds, do it twice, then you have a massive 50 seconds free-reign to kill the ranger without his condition removal.

But lets step back a second, you’re talking about a ranger build that is designed to be anti-conditions, requires 30 trait investment to do so, and you’re complaining you can’t kill him with conditions? Maybe you shouldn’t be able to. Maybe change your build to counter them, rather than asking Anet to change the other class so your condition build always works?

Pretty much, …Trap Rangers generally don’t have more then 5 points in Beast, so their pets are easier to kill…Basically kill the pet twice then kill the ranger.

Pyrial.2917:

Fjandi.2516:

Pyrial.2917:

QQ? You talk about joining a discussion to only QQ and it is you who is crying. I was talking about pet scaling off of the owners stats which prevents bunkering builds from having dps pets.

If it is such a widely known build then post it. I personally play the build I post and haven’t found much better, so I do play ranger as well as ALL the other professions. Not exactly sure where you’re going with this.

To be precise i was qqing about qqers qqing. I’m actually favorable about pet stats scaling. I can’t wait for my ravens to become pretty much unkillable while loosing a bit of crit (but gaining tons of power instead). On a side note i play 0/0/30/10/30.
I’m out, i don’t want NinjaEd to go crazy or the OP to uninstall the game.

Giving up 30% crit damage and fury on pets for EB?

What exactly are you trying to do with the build you’re posting?

you give up both EB/Natural Healing Talent, which are both some of the better talents in the game..

You’re going 15 in NM for Sharing Boons on your pet, which isn’t a bad talent.. But honestly works best with Powerbased builds.

I just can’t understand the 15 points in Skirmishing…

I could probably understand 10..

But the fury you get from the 15 Points is so wasted when ya consider you have horn already which gives you pet almost perma fury already…Plus Fury is just a waste on pets anyway, since the ones that you’re going for (Cats/Birds) have such high precision they crit most of the time anyway.

If you’re using Birds the 30% crit damage talent isn’t that useful since the whole reason you’re using Birds is for the Burst damage they do from the F2.

Cats the 30% crit damage talent is pretty good… Birds not so much…Though I suppose you could be running Wolves maybe and the fury might help them pretty good.

Just seems like an odd setup for SPvP.

If you just wanna burst people with the pet all ya really need is 10 in skirmishing/10 wilderness/30 in Beastmastery..and use a Great Sword, throw on Sickem/QZ.

kailin.4905:

A typical fight with a ranger for me goes something like this. (bear with me because I am not 100% on there rotation) From what is see they usually spam me with and ultra fast crossfire (maybe with zepher?) and stack about 20 bleeds on me in a matter of a few seconds and doing a decent chunk of direct damage. I start stacking my scepter bleeds and get about 10-15 on them and a stack of poison while they do this and maybe get about 2-3k direct damage. While this is going on there pet is chewing on me for at least 400+ per hit I think. At this point I may have taken about a quarter of there hp while I am at half or less (my build I have about 24k hp). I either dagger #4 to try to transfer the bleed or consume conditions to heal/remove it. At this point there pet removes all the conditions and they heal back up till close to full because I have done a good bit less damage than they have and I am at about 3/4 hp. Usually it is a rinse and repeat of this until I simply don’t have the cooldowns to outlast the crossfire spam.

If I try to kill the pet is seems like I am eating crossfire the whole time and by the time its dead I am too far behind to put up a good fight. You cant epidemic between the ranger and pet or vise versa to have some damage going on both because of seperation (usually aided by traps or binding roots). A necro can’t stack bleeds nearly as fast and has far less dd from stacking there bleeds. And our condition removal is at best on an 18 second CD (deathly swarm) but I think it only works if it hits and the animation is rather slow and easy to dodge. I’m decent at missing most traps and dispatching pets as needed but doing both while not getting wrecked by crossfire and stating the portion of the fight where I deal with the ranger himself is a mystery to me. I was thinking I wasn’t dodging crossfire enough but to me it seems like since its a series of very fast individual shots you can only dodge 2 of the barrage at best. I see a few ppl on here saying rangers are easily countered or l2p but not explaining anything about how to easily counter them. Unless I’m missing something REALLY obvious here I assume they are just rangers trying to keep the advantage as long as they can.

My first suggestion would be not to turn my back to the Ranger since that seems to be what you’re doing.

capuchinseven.8395:

nerva.7940:

runes of the undead (added to pizza and 25 stacks of corruption) gives about 1600 condition damage, which is absolutely disgusting considering how much tank you have. i havent met any prof/spec that i couldnt melt. i will need a lot of convincing to give up undead!

This, I’ll run undead (or melandru in the past) and the amount of damage I can put out and still be survivable is great. My guess is you run more defensive stats than me though and my condition damage is below yours as I try and run as high a precision as I can for the chance on crit to bleed sigil as well as life steal food which means lower healing. I don’t gain the corruption stacks.

I might try dropping my precision some to get my condition a little higher but I like the life steal and chance to bleed on crit and not worrying about my positioning as I only run traps in sPVP and not in W3 so in W3 I like to know I can bleed without moving behind them.

I agree with Xsorus on the condition duration but I’ve just found I prefer the extra condition damage from undead and can get higher duration from food anyway, I prefer the damage.

The way it works is, lets say you just have the 40% condition duration from food..

Your torch throw will say “Does X amount of damage over 8 1/2 seconds” You don’t get that 1/2 second of damage.. So basically any Condition Duration from the 40% food that is 1/2, 3/4, 1/3 is wasted….

If you pickup an extra 10% condition duration from any source, You bump the Torch throw to 9 seconds, Which means you gain an extra 600-700 damage on your burn

nerva.7940:

runes of the undead (added to pizza and 25 stacks of corruption) gives about 1600 condition damage, which is absolutely disgusting considering how much tank you have. i havent met any prof/spec that i couldnt melt. i will need a lot of convincing to give up undead!

Difference between Undead and Nightmare is basically 50 Toughness and the Bonus Condition damage from 5% of toughness is condition damage.

In exchange you get 10% condition duration which will add 1 second to your Torch Throw/SplitBlade and a few other bleeds that are close to that mark. That’s if you use Rare Veggie Pizza.

Oh and the number 6 is a fear….. Not sure how good it is, I know that it’ll fear sometimes on 100B’s for example or any channel attack….

A. Empathetic Bond says "pets periodically take conditions from you” It doesn’t say "pets periodically transfers conditions from you”…So judging by the wording…It is working how its currently worded in game. The Pet takes the conditions from you..It just removes them…

B. You can Load up Conditions onto a pet if you want to, Empathetic Bond doesn’t remove the conditions off of a pet…So if you want to load all your conditions onto the pet then do Epidemic you can..Hell you can even burst down the pet (Which would be a counter to ranger, 2v1 The pet, force him to switch then do it to the next pet) Which removes his condition removal + large amounts of damage that it can do. People don’t want to do that though because that would require something more then spamming 1 button on a target….

Rangers are incredibly easy to counter….Unfortunately most of the SPvP players in this game aren’t very good…..It’ll take a few more month’s before they figure out what actual good players have figured out….

jkctmc.8754:

Xsorus.2507:

I’m working on getting Superior Rune of the Nightmare personally..

I have 40% condition duration from food, and need an extra 10% to shore up some bleeds/burns I have..

Might be quicker to grab one of the Giver’s style weapons. They give 10% as well.

I’d lose important stats on that one.

Would rather just work on getting Nightmares

I’m working on getting Superior Rune of the Nightmare personally..

I have 40% condition duration from food, and need an extra 10% to shore up some bleeds/burns I have..

Because the class has problems, Trap Build though has always been good…It’s been good since beta..It’s not changed since beta either..Just people opted not to use it.

firebreathz.7692:

Davinci.8027:

1.) Fix Empathic bond so that the pet actually absorbs the conditions and they do not simply evaporate.

2.) Switch Zephyr’s Speed (5 trait in Beastmastery) with Loud Whistle (15 trait in Beastmastery). That trait is simply too strong to be that low in the tree.

3.) Increase the cooldown of traps or reduce their AoE by a small amount. At the moment, if placed right, traps can completely cover a node which allows for no skillful counter-play. Traps can be placed prior to any engagement and by the time they are triggered they are already up again.

With these 3 fixes, I think rangers will be fine.

1) you want a neft on the condition removal of the weakest condition remover in the game?

2) we have no role we excel at.. only jack of all trades.. I think this trait leans towards giving us a role in PvP

3) other AOE in the game covers the entire node as well, like the elementalist’s for example.. so asking for a reduction on our traps while no other class is affected?

“which allows for no skillful counter-play”
the skill counter play is to get the kitten off the node when there are big red circles on it..

Why does it seem like Knockbacks and Pulls are going to become the counter to Trap Rangers

jkctmc.8754:

@Xsorus

When I first seen that, I about fell out of my chair laughing at the thought of people actually dying to a pet, without dodging, or using crowd control on the pet. After the third one, I almost shed a tear.

It’s awesome damage none-the-less, and would love to see it duplicated using Signet of the Wild.

Signet of the Wild might be able to replace SickEm, but it has such a long cooldown…I suppose you could use it outside the keep for more damage instead of Signet of the Hunt…if Signet was lower though i’d say you could do it easily..Could also do Signet of the Hunt + Sickem instead of QZ…not sure how well it’d work..I should try that

Also reason it kills a lot of people is simply because most are bad, and sitting on Siege.. plus they likely have berserker, I’m still laughing at that Warrior though…that cracks me up every time I see it.

JaNordy.6149:

Confusion is OP as kitten in WvW. There is a reason its nerfed in sPvP. There is only 1 class I don’t even fight against at fight clubs because I know outcome before it begins; Mesmers. Why? Confusion. If you get just 4-5 people that know what they are doing they can apply it nonstop to a entire team/zerg.

you could do what I do when I fight Mesmer’s, don’t attack them while they have chaos armor?

I mean….Most of the time I see people whining about Confusion are basically burst specs who don’t know when to not spam their attacks.

iitwinz.1420:

Lol the rangers you fight aren’t very experienced though the only problem with this build is that if a fast enemy runs away, there’s almost no way of catching up/finishing without a ranged weapon

The vast majority of rangers I run across aren’t very good..

I’d say 95% of them are bow with a kitten bear

jkctmc.8754:

haviz.1340:

Solandri.9640:

-snip

It still makes the test invalid, either use it and stability is valid as well or don’t at all. Arguing that stability makes this test invalid is just a nonsense which jkctmc confirmed saying aegis would make same test invalid for guardian. It’s a class skill, how does that make any sense? You’re allowed to use your class mechanics.

Because it is supposed to be a burst, or sustainable damage test, not a defense or utility test. The Ranger had the chance to do uninterrupted damage, the Warrior did not.

Could I equally submit this video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMI_MzO52lw

..as a benchmark for world vs world because a Confusion build Mesmer downed a Warrior in 6 seconds, (watch between 0:54 and 1:00) gaining Confusion tick damage in bursts with back to back damage; 5479, 5900, 6743, 7165?

People rarely complain about PvE because it is god awful easy to manage. What most people complain about, or are concerned about is world vs world, where damage is extremely high.

Show me a non-Asuran Ranger who can do the burst in world vs world the video shows the Mesmer doing against ascended geared players, and I’ll eat my words.

Hmm

9:50 in the video
;o)

Yes I know he was frenzied

SolidSiphon.4213:

i do use flame trap or spike trap some times…i just like short cooldowns

You’re preaching to the Choir here, PI is available to you, you should most certainly use it, despite the whines you’ll receive about it.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so most of u in here are either saying class is op or defending class but neither is what this post is about.

fact is ranger and ele are getting nerfed.

fact is they nerfed thief and mesmer so hard it made other classes way more viable.

fact is after they nerf ele and ranger then engi is going to be super op. then they will nerf them because there will be multiple of them in every game.

so i just suggest 1 class per team in paids for a bit and lets see how it goes for a bit. if its bad then take it out.

after i made this post i was informed about LOL and they use that. so if a Esport game does it then we at least should try.

Hmm, I don’t know.. from what I got out of this thread is Mesmer’s need a nerf and Ele’s/Rangers are underpowered and need a buff.

Ezrael.6859:

Ranger traps going on cooldown as soon as they are thrown is too strong as it allows the point holding ranger to set all their traps and then throw them all down again when the engagement actually starts. Too many advantages.

The traps should start their cooldown when they are triggered.

Argument could probably be made on most classes where the game works this way.

It’s up to Anet to decide if all classes should be moved over to this line of thinking (Thieves/Necros/Rangers ect ect)

EaGrimdarK.7849:

I literally said they aren’t op and my team doesn’t think they are unbeatable in the current meta, so no you didn’t read my post. Btw, I tried to find some pvp videos on your channel but it’s nothing but wvw crap, I didn’t look too hard though since I’m out celebrating the New Year. WvW is garbage. I wouldn’t call my teams strat vs 2 rangers a hard counter but it works when we are on our a-game.

Your entire post was whining about Rangers, So yes..that’s exactly what you said. But i’m glad we all agree now that Rangers aren’t overpowered and don’t need a nerf. So nice that you could come over to my side on the issue.

All my videos are PvP by the way, They’re not terrible SPvP videos because no one really enjoys those videos because they’re bloody boring and god awful in general.
Oh wait, WoW players tend to enjoy them.. so maybe there is an audience