All I will say is this. When my maximum potential dps as a necromancer is worse than other classes 2nd or even 3rd best spec for dps it feels crappy. I feel like I’m holding everyone back WHILE not giving any (wanted) support.
Yes, but I feel like dealing 6.5-8k + 6.5-8k + 13-15k AOE damage every 1.3s is a little bit much, don’t you think? Do realize that this would put necromancers as an easy first or second place DPS in the game via a cleaving auto-attack alone. Putting it simply, the DPS is double that of Lich Form’s.
Just seems a wee bit high o.O
So what, new necro pve meta… it’s a good thing, stop asking questions.
you’re missing my point.
my point is, every class can build to be either paper, rock or scissors.
necro can only go paper or rock. they don’t have the scissors option.
i mean necros dont have the ability to handle kiting builds on even grounds but every other class can build themselves to handle kiting builds.
Since you can ONLY be one spec at one time it doesnt matter because there will ALWAYS be a hard counter.
Personally…. the theme is too cool to just drop it. My necro to me looks amazing in his white and red with the white wings. It’ll be even BETTER when I get to use twilight on him.
Fun pastime? trying running 3000+ dungeons and then come back here and tell me about fun pastime, condition warrior will slow a clearing group a LOT, fun pastime? lulz
No, it really won’t. A meta group makes something like 75k dps over a 30 second fight. You think someone would really be able to notice a difference in clear times by losing 2k dps total by taking a condi warrior? Oh No! a 10 second boss fight now last 10.4 seconds. Oh the humanity!
lulz 75k dps over 30 secs? that is just bad!! I alone probably do twice that in the same time. lololo 75k in 30 sec… you made me giggle, you really are new, aren’t you?
75k damage per second. Not 75k damage. Learn to read.
2.25 million Damage over 30 sec? geez you really need a calculator? back to topic with a condition warr it won’t be 2k DPS like you said but a lot more than that. Let’s see how long does it take you to apply 25 stacks of bleed w/out burst? which is the ONLY condition warrior have besides the useless LB (burn).
Do you need a calculator? I know how the game works, apparently you don’t. 2.25 million damage over 30 seconds is probably erring on the side of being slightly low.
FYI, it takes a warrior about 11- seconds to hit their max sustained bleed. This is why condition warriors are not meta, ofcourse. But that doesn’t mean you would even notice one in your group based on boss kill times.
NIKE is right its not as bad as you think. Condi warrior good for soloing, not that great in groups. However due to the condi stack changes it isn’t as bad as you think. Before the patch the gap between condi warrior and power warrior on boss solo was very small. Some people said condi warrior could solo Lupi faster.
As I said before not good for dungeons groups.
That’s all relative. Is condi warrior as good as the best possible warrior build? No. Is condi warrior better than the best possible Necro build? Yes.
a condi warrior is more useful and has better dps than quite a few “acceptable” meta builds for other classes.
Diamond Skin hard counters condi necro. I’m surprised you didn’t realize he was using it at first. Most condi users I know don’t respect anybody using Diamond Skin 1v1 because it makes the fight a total faceroll.
I didnt know it existed, im not a player that keeps tracks of classes I dont play because honestly, im just now starting to try my hand at pvp.
Quick Question. Why do most Necros go for Green color themes…. Or Mesmers with their Purple/pink themes, or Guardians with Blue/White, Thieves with Black/Gray…
Is there a Color theme Meta I don’t know about?
I noticed that too lol I tried to break the norm while still looking rather deviant lol not sure if it worked but hey I gave it my all
Honestly I wreck everything else, i’m fine with one build from one class hard countering me. It’s not like when you die you lose everything lol well…nyou lose nothing other than a bit of delusional Internet pride lol but I have none so… I’ll just stick with it and die with honor haha
Yea they werent doing much at all, sadly every bit of damage that wasnt conditions is soooo low due to my gear that I couldnt get him even below 95%. I basically just gave them a free kill
EDIT: in reality its my fault, instead of running some physical damage gear im all in with toughness, vitality, and condi damage. My own toughness killed me! nooooo lol
We need more people like you. You came here in frustration, but not anger. You left realizing that you lost due to a fair counter of your own build and that’s ok with you.
My respect, man.
Haha thanks I appreciate that. I mean, if you think about it, rock gets countered by paper but cant be too mad because he wrecks scissors face all day. lol And I also learned what I need to from this thread. Put dots up first and if they are immune scepter auto until below 90% then go to town.
I changed mine again, im going for a fallen angel look. The dark got depressing so I figured the lighter shades would still give nice contrast but look more like I was an angel that went sour. lol
Yea they werent doing much at all, sadly every bit of damage that wasnt conditions is soooo low due to my gear that I couldnt get him even below 95%. I basically just gave them a free kill
EDIT: in reality its my fault, instead of running some physical damage gear im all in with toughness, vitality, and condi damage. My own toughness killed me! nooooo lol
Hey everyone, so im a very tanky necro player who usually kills who I fight (unless im severely outnumbered) I last a long time and my dots usually eat through whoever Im fighting. I was running around in WvW and came across this ele that I figured would go the same way. Not sure what it was about him but I never saw him drop below 95% health. I have ZERO idea how but it was pretty funny and almost embarrassing to watch. Now, im not one to yell for nerfs or anything but I would however like to know what it was that I was fighting and how do I beat it.
So, this might be a strange question that will just equate to me being bad but… I logged out with 29k hp in lions arch and I logged back in and now im down to 27k. Any ideas why that might happen?
Very true Shaogin I completely agree that signets have their place BUT the fact that signets are good is not a reason to dismiss possible fixes to make condi necros better in PVE. Its basically saying, im happy with my PVP balance so you should be happy with your PVE balance. They just arent the same thing.
EDIT: just for the record, when i asked how signets were good it was more sarcasm than anything because I understand fully well that they are good in PVP. I was more baiting people to say that it was for PVP because the original comment just said signets were good as if in general for ALL game modes they were the reason necros are viable which just simply isnt true.
No, Necro is far from bad atm. Condi Signet is ridiculously strong.
Necro’s changes are good if you accept to change your good old build, you must admit it guys.
How are signets that strong? Bosses and trash mobs don’t really put that many boons on themselves to convert and there aren’t a lot of conditions to make good use of the transfers. Condis are for sure at a disadvantage when comparing to a power necro in lich. No way your spa will keep up.
pvp . more to the game than trash mobs and bosses.
very true, there is also more to the game than pvp and that was my point with that comment, nobody stops to think about pve players and what is important to our content.
So our condi damage isn’t that great in PvE……woop de friggin doo. Things are going great in PvP right now, and Power Necro still exists for PvE and also Reaper Spec still to come. Aside from a few changes such as the Corruption nerfs, I’m very happy with where Necro is going.
This sounds very dismissive, some of us want to play condition necro in PVE and not have it be crapped on by power specs. Its been the same meta for such a long time its getting stale.
EDIT: in fact, maybe its time to just move onto WvW and leave PVE behind, nobody seems to care honestly, everyone talks about PVP balance and could give a crap about pve players and their interests.
No, Necro is far from bad atm. Condi Signet is ridiculously strong.
Necro’s changes are good if you accept to change your good old build, you must admit it guys.
How are signets that strong? Bosses and trash mobs don’t really put that many boons on themselves to convert and there aren’t a lot of conditions to make good use of the transfers. Condis are for sure at a disadvantage when comparing to a power necro in lich. No way your spa will keep up.
pvp . more to the game than trash mobs and bosses.
very true, there is also more to the game than pvp and that was my point with that comment, nobody stops to think about pve players and what is important to our content.
No, Necro is far from bad atm. Condi Signet is ridiculously strong.
Necro’s changes are good if you accept to change your good old build, you must admit it guys.
How are signets that strong? Bosses and trash mobs don’t really put that many boons on themselves to convert and there aren’t a lot of conditions to make good use of the transfers. Condis are for sure at a disadvantage when comparing to a power necro in lich. No way your spa will keep up.
They better focus on fixing Parasitic Contagion in PvP, doing something about awful Death Magic Master Minor and just up the Bleeding & Poison applications on Grasping Dead especially. Oh, and make Dhuumfire worth looking at.
Don’t care about pvp and really don’t want it brought up in terms of pve balance. Not your fault obviously but anet needs to separate balance because they just aren’t the same and shouldn’t be balanced as such. So… would it be OP in PVE?
Edit: hope that didn’t come off as attacky or dismissive , I was just trying to say that I’m curious if that change would make necro’s too good in pve. I don’t think so and I’d love to see condition necro’s take over a higher ranked power class.
The originally previewed lingering curse may have just been a tooltip error.
Anyways, with the treatment that corruptions got with master of corruption, why would you even want the trait?
Short version: the condition durations of everything would have been nerfed to accodate the trait. No thanks.
I’m not sure that this class is supposed to be a quick ramp up Condi burst class (other than signet of spite)
They said in the either ready up or point of interest, I don’t remember which that it WAS initially all condis but that fear was the main issue regarding pvp.
Ok, let me word it like this. If you are applying bleeds through all of your skills then finally get to your scepter 1 attack you might be seeing some of the first applied bleeds dropping off. If those durations were 100% longer you would see bleeds stacking up faster and higher. Also, I wouldnt count on burning to stay the way it is by the way, I just wouldnt.
The problem is, even if they half the damage of burning (which they most likely won’t and I quote Jon Peters on this one : “Don’t expect huge balance swings” (then again this is the guy that said we Necros are good we just need to l2p…)) , it will still do more than twice the damage that bleed does. It doesn’t matter our duration is high if the bleed gets cleansed, we only apply a measly amount per skill or the TTK on burning is still quicker than on bleeding. And if you compare Engis burning application to our bleeding application, they can unload more stacks faster and pretty kitten consistant.
Oh yea, ideally our scepter 2 skill would apply 4 or 5 and our dagger 5 would apply 3 or 4. Make ALL conditions other than fear have 100% increased duration. And then lower burn damage. Boom necro’s with condis can compete with power builds in pve.
Ok, let me word it like this. If you are applying bleeds through all of your skills then finally get to your scepter 1 attack you might be seeing some of the first applied bleeds dropping off. If those durations were 100% longer you would see bleeds stacking up faster and higher. Also, I wouldnt count on burning to stay the way it is by the way, I just wouldnt.
if that trait somehow made our burns that we were transferring 100% duration….
Transfers don’t interact with durations at all, they just copy whatever time is left.
If the bleeds arent falling off because they are lasting 100% longer then it will help with ramp up. Not as much as say making an ability that applies 2 normally apply 3 instead but it would help ramp up.
Then they need to seperate how stuff works in PVE and PVP in fact, I THOUGHT thats how they used to do it but now they are suffering the same balancing crap that WoW does. Balancing PVE around PVP that the PVERs dont play…. such a shame.
So arena net said the reason for the nerf of the 100% condition duration trait was because of fear in pvp. Could they just not include fear in the trait? I think having all of our conditions have 100% longer duration would fix our ramp up time and condi burst in pve.
If I’m honest the video was cool but the dmg seems… kind of low. Nothing that you’re personally doing just that I think necro’s need a bleed boost. Especially since you can get 6-10k crit from DS1 alone with a power build.
If he was a major NPC (or even if he’s not), and the plot calls for him to die, would you treat it as any other NPC dying, or would you be outraged how ANet killed a transgendered character? If you said yes to the latter question, then you are not ready for equality.
Ahem… I should note, you should be using ‘she’, not ‘he’ in this case. Sure, it’s just a character in a game whose feelings you couldn’t hurt, but going out of your way to use the wrong pronouns shows that you don’t really understand equality either.
A man may be transgender, but no amount of surgery is going to remove that Y chromosome or give him a menstrual cycle. He’s still biologically male and will be called as such.
If you don’t like it you don’t have to follow suit, nor do you even have to pay it any mind.
I agree with you. No matter what a person wants to be called genetics are genetics. No amount of wishing will wish away your genetic make-up. He is still a correct pronoun.
You may not like it – but it is still correct and accurate when looking at things objectively.
I mean – look at it this way – if I wanted to be a cat, really aspired and emotionally identified with a cat – that’s all great but at the end of the day no matter how much I want people to refer to me as “it” and be a fluffy kitten I’m still a human being. You can’t change biology. You can’t change how people perceive you especially when their perceptions are objectively and scientifically correct.
See but here’s the thing. It’s called being trans gender because gender and sex are completely different. Sex is the biology and gender is the indentity. She may always have male genetics but will never be man. See the difference? Also refusing to call someone by what they prefer is very ignorant simply due to the fact that if you were to call me Robert because that’s my birth name and instead id prefer Bob most people would have no problem calling me by my preference. People just have issues with this particular topic because of their personal discomfort with things they can’t fully understand. That’s not me saying I DO understand however because I am not trans and can’t imagine how it feels to be someone in the wrong body. Good job anet.
Well he said directly in parenthesis that cd scales with power. That’s saying there’s a direct increase in condition damage the more power you have. I didn’t think that was correct. I could be wrong though.
Surviving is the easy part…. been playing that Zerker crap forever. You make dots crit and I’ll take condi dmg, condi duration, and precision gear all DAY.
My friend just showed me a screenie from someone showing Bleed tick damage of 17K. The next tick, a second later, was 20K.
I believe that top direct damage DPS was (pre-patch) somewhere around 13-14K if fully buffed out (Asc,. top tier food, full Might stacks, Fury up, optimum rotation, etc.) Fact is, most direct builds will rarely if ever get to that level of DPS. This guy’s bleed DPS was 17K. A second later it was 20K. could it go higher? Maybe, maybe not. Assuming he was fully buffed also, that’s ~6K DPS higher.
The issue isn’t that condi is now level with direct builds, it’s that it’s doing more than direct does or ever did. This is a balance issue. There were two issues with condi before. One, that it was doing next to nothing in large groups was a technical issue. Fixing the balance issue does not mean dropping the fix to the technical issue. the other issue was max condi DPs was below max direct DPS. It looks like there’s a fair amount of room to reduce condi potential without returning to the old status quo.
That was actually burning not bleeds. I saw the same screen shot and bleeds we’re very low damage. Just trying to get everyone to know that burning is the issue not all consitions. My poor necro has had enough nerf trauma lately. She can’t take much more captain.
Just messing around on the indestructible dummies with around 8 stacks of might and less than 10 vuln my bleeds are hitting for almost 5k granted, theres no burning because in order to maintain that you cant get burning up to a decent level. It seems like a dps loss to apply burning honestly. But with 25 stacks of might and 25 vuln my bleeds are slightly over 6k which is pretty nice. My poison even hit 900 lol
