Guild Wars 2

swinsk.6410:

Who cares? Anet will never fix this class… Might as well just roll tagachi rev when they come out…

Easily manipulated. I’ve said it before, thief nerf was a sales ploy so people would buy HoT and get the cooler looking class of the shadows.

Take all the useless water traits move them to adept or master and take all the good traits and push them to grand master. Now Ele is fixed and can no longer out bunk you.
(do the same for arcane). But please don’t cry for ele to get nerfed until mesmer does. Just being fair.

I think we should implement 1 vs 1 game modes and see what the community uses more often. Just out of curiosity. Then choose to balance 1 vs 1 or 5 vs 5. Right now It really is impossible to say which one is better because the 1 vs 1 game modes have never been tried in gw1 or gw2. However, to the op the reason why this game is so anti 1 vs 1 is because team play sells better to families that think video games make you stupid. (Team play is virtuous in america while solo play is greedy)

Haha ya mesmer is op. I main mesmer. (Even if they nerf us once it will take 6+ nerfs to really balance us). But besides the fact that it would take the balance team too long to balance us, they happen to like us so there is nothing you can do about it. Just roll mesmer it’s actually fun to fight once you know how they work.

Right now full venom share thief is nice but venoms leave thief completely without condition removal utilities.

What does the community think on this?

As a former ranger main welcome to the club. If you can’t beat em join em.

It is a bit buggy atm.

Same thing on the mantra healing skill. If you trait for three casts only two cause condition removal.

I can’t actively time dodges on a thief to dodge the AI a mesmer has if they are decent. Burning makes builds err not very diverse. It was fun for a while, but I got tired of button smashing so I’ma play my side game Vindictus till expansion ciao. But I’ll be back depending on how interesting HoT is.

I will never forget pyro. Also, haven’t seen allot of Chaos, but what I have seen earned my respect. Props to those two for making mesmer interesting.

Lol it will be funny if mesmer is buffed by their intended nerf. Almost any mesmer change has made my mesmer stronger (except mimic nerf a while back)

Yes, I agree with alpha. Please read previous responses as your point to be addressed has probably been discussed previously.

A mesmer is really able to stealth for a long time because of the adept trait in illusions trait line. While only appearing to reduce stealth for 9 seconds (1.5 seconds for each second stealthed by the torch) it actually reduces stealth while stealth ed in general. If constantly stealthed, this skill has a 12 second recharge meaning it can give 6 seconds of stealth which is half the recharge time. This means you can easily spam torch 4 almost permanently with two decoys and mass invisibility.

To clarify, (I may not describe this the best) torch 4/decoy /decoy /mass invisibility stealth amounts to 6+6+6+10=28 meaning you can cast the torch 4 two more times at 12 second CD so add 6+6 to that. Torch 4 can be cast again assuming you are casting it on demand so it is really 6+6+6 Decoy had recharged so + 6. And, oh my, one can cast torch again… soo + 6 basically err 28 +6 +6 +6 +6=52 (I might have missed a CD on mimic or decoy again) and in a bit you can cast mass invisibility again at 72 sec CD because it is a manipulation. So yes, horribly broken is the torch. Basically, you can maintain 52 seconds of stealth or maybe more if you use veil. This trait probably is the source of the issue and needs a fix to 20% reduced CD

Improving pvp is hard but making it look good well… This fight scene at 39:40-41:00 pretty much sums it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn_sd-Ex1jk&index=39&list=PLXGkQKqoTJ1JMA8Wg-hy8qnOf4lOK2sWI

Why can’t gw2 look that epic…? this isn’t even an animation.
Other than that, pvp just needs balance.

To be honest, there is no high level play game mode. It is just the same as saying verses the 1 % of the best of the best. Basically it.

What I am looking forward to that would improve thief in my opinions are thee things.

1) Giving thief a way to shadow step for damage possibly in the new trait system
2) New skills like a healing skill and elite skill related to shadow stepping.
3) Making teleport evade.

This would make for the most skillful fun game play ever. Sadly, it is not a current reality because there is no damage centered around shadow stepping. Also, there are no traits centered around shadow stepping. (This would bring me back to thief as no game I have ever heard of has had a class that abuses flashy teleportation)

Edit: I forgot to add. Th main problem with thief gameplay is that they are locked into stealth builds. Dagger storm can’t be used because that is 7 seconds without stealth. It is hard to play S/D now after the nerf because there is no easy access to stealth. The dependence on stealth is really what is hurting thief gameplay because noone likes it.

When fighting a thief, they complain about fighting me if I stealth even though I’m a thief too. And I feel the same way when facing stealth. This is why I am so heavy set on teleport and evade’s. I feel it would sell better to the community as promoting skillful gameplay
Example: If a Mesmer shatters one you it shouldn’t be stealth till full hp again. It would be use skill port out of the way. I’n this case, when thief teleport is on a CD of mindwrack they will be in a good place.
Another example is Necromancer. Without stealth no amount of skill will let you dodge all of the minions. Teleporting/ evade builds, with more accessibility would change a thief from CnD minions to hide forever to skillfully dodging and kiting minions.

This class is great, but there are a few things that need fixing.

Bugs: Revenant can’t swap legends while stunned although they are stun breakers.

Improvements:
-Having their skills cancel when swapping legends reduces their sustainability.
- Sustain needs some improvement
- Cast times are long but may be too long to be practical for fast pvp gameplay.
-The most important thing is energy. There just ins’t enough at all to use skills as frequently as other classes.
-Let Pulsating Pestilence activate with certain conditions or when you have say a threshold of around three so conditions like blind/weakness/chill/vulnerability etc don’t waste it so much.
-Improve the range of the tablet please.

The devs don’t here this often from me but amazing job on this class.

Lol regardless. The only reason I bought Gw2 was because of it having no subscription fees. Otherwise, they wouldn’t get any money from me or players like me because some subscription games are much better than Gw2. I guarantee allot of people won’t buy the expansion. Instead, they will wait till the price goes down or better content is released worth buying.

narwhalsbend.7059:

Skills are disappointing, yes, but you just have to accept it’s a different game.

I’m a bit late to respond to you but I must. It is a different game yes, but the fact that it is named “Guild Wars” 2 very clearly implies that it should have elements resembling it’s earlier version. Essentially, Guild Wars 2, by name, implies being an improvement on Guild Wars 1. There is no excuse to the game succeeding Guild Wars 1 to have slacked on improving skill and profession combination diversity. Instead, they removed all the elements that made Guild Wars 1 successful such as: sidekicks, numerous amounts of skills, secondary professions, 4 vs 4 death match etc.

Lol play a mesmer and necro won’t be a problem. Play a cele elementalist, mesmer won’t be a problem.

Really I’m with jportell.2197 on this one. I still think that Mesmer sustain should take a hit while mesmer focus gets buffed. No nerf is needed to any weapon skills or utility skills. Just maybe the traits could use some rearrangements.

Lol yes mesmer is op but they will always be op so my response would be keep crying. There is nothing you will ever be able do about them. As arrogant as this sounds it is true.

Usually most games release new slightly overpowered classes to increase the incentive to buy their game. Anet though… must not care very much at all even about business lel.

Let me be real. Until they make the new content worthwhile, I may not even buy the new game. And revenant sucking at pvp is a huge incentive not to buy HoT.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Zelulose.8695:

Even I am not sure if this is a joke or serious but check out this link to find out for yourself.

They want Ele nerfed and mesmer nerfed, but I say, why not nerf this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ctFFUSMajs

Thieves have never been OP and have only ever received nerfs. Nothing to see here.

~Signed every Thief ever.

Lol Then you must be newer than most Earlier on, they could stealth, attack, and re-stealth without getting revealed. This meant they were invisible the whole time just backstabbing away because the reveal debuff didn’t exist. (Hehe just wanted to shoot you down on that ridiculous comment)

Necro has always felt like a counter class. depending on the spec, it can hard counter certain strong builds. However, they never have a build that can take on every type of class easily

Lettuce.2945:

Zelulose.8695:

Lynxer.9374:

No I don’t buy it…a thief out of stealth gets blown up by a crit thief who appears to have possibly already been buffed from the fight on point. That’s discounting the fact that the video was very vague with no indication of anyone’s stats in that scenario.

Actually, let me clarify how it works because it is hard to see me when I burst. (all of my builds are no secret) Basically, you have 20 seconds to kill your enemy from stealth or run away while you use your venoms and signets for might stacking and refuge. If you refuge far enough away they can’t see it coming or pre-target you. Then you run up to the unsuspecting player and make a quick choice. If his reaction time is slow you can sneak attack while stunning/steal/ shadow shot and they die from a certain range. If they have a fast reaction time and you wan’t them to be unable to dodge, run behind them like it is a backstab and do the same thing as if you were further away. When it hits, it will deal 1.5 seconds of stun 19k damage tested vs a zerker warrior. (Only tanks and passive traited characters are safe)

I suggest you retract your post because as I mentioned to you in game, I took a screenshot of you admitting that your post wasn’t serious and it was intended as a “joke” to deflect from the real issue at hand…Which are mesmers and eles.

It is not a joke it is satire. People ask for things to get nerfed on other classes when there will be plenty to nerf on each class. This is an example of that. You wan’t elemental sustain nerfed? Maybe then they will nerf this next. Then they will nerf another class. If nerfing things doesn’t stop an op class from rising up. Then why nerf at all. (Still they will nerf thief and ele and mesmer regardless) This video is made so that more classes get a fair hit so that say elementalist’s sustain alone is not nerfed while a thief can practically one shot them. (Thief can instagib a cele elementalist).

Lynxer.9374:

No I don’t buy it…a thief out of stealth gets blown up by a crit thief who appears to have possibly already been buffed from the fight on point. That’s discounting the fact that the video was very vague with no indication of anyone’s stats in that scenario.

Actually, let me clarify how it works because it is hard to see me when I burst. (all of my builds are no secret) Basically, you have 20 seconds to kill your enemy from stealth or run away while you use your venoms and signets for might stacking and refuge. If you refuge far enough away they can’t see it coming or pre-target you. Then you run up to the unsuspecting player and make a quick choice. If his reaction time is slow you can sneak attack while stunning/steal/ shadow shot and they die from a certain range. If they have a fast reaction time and you wan’t them to be unable to dodge, run behind them like it is a backstab and do the same thing as if you were further away. When it hits, it will deal 1.5 seconds of stun 19k damage tested vs a zerker warrior. (Only tanks and passive traited characters are safe)

Thinking in reverse as a Mesmer main.
Buff list:
1 Warrior
2 Engi
3 Ranger
4 Necro
5 Thief
6 Guardian
7 Mesmer Really doesn’t need buffing
8 Elementalist Really doesn’t need buffing

Team play would be nice if you felt accomplished with your team. However, team matches often say little about your skillful play although they say allot about your synergy with people. As much as I love team play, it is dueling that forces you to have to play better one on one to someone who may be speced similar to you. Also, in solo que, win rates rarely exceed 70% because of the dependence on team mates who often afk, troll, and so on. This is somewhat depressing because good players could do allot but get nowhere because of someone else’s disrespect. Last, Guild Wars 2 really needs five times the number of skills and on this note, it doesn’t even compare to Guild Wars 1 in terms of variety.

-There is no number one player or victor in ranked but instead five lessening the incentive to compete against the rest of the world.
-There is no real awesome pvp rewards that make it worthwhile. ( I don’t grind pvp matches for stuff)
-Solo que is pointless and more about who has played it the most.
-Players don’t have enough variety and start using the same meta spec till they are bored. Then they have nothing new to do and stop playing.

Lol. If you think mesmer is broken now your in for something much worse. The new traits for mesmer will let it shatter without losing illusions. In fact shatter will recast them possibly clipping the phantasm attack rate. HoT will make mesmer crazy damage wise.

I feel between mm necro, medi guardian, cele elementalist, mesmer, and ranger their most sustainable builds stale mate but have enough aoe to aide team fights almost hinting that 1 vs 1 no one should win at some high build tier level because this is a team game.

I do think they should get automatic reveal after they stealth with PU trait on. This way a class like ranger or engineer with stealth revealing skills can have a chance if they play right.

Buzzcrave.6197:

Ugh… This combo is kinda old, and it waste lots of your initiative, not to forget one trick phony that die if your burst failed. I may be wrong but I assume he started his burst with melee range Sneak Attack after entering stealth(which you don’t realize it, zero awareness omg), immediately to Shadow Strike>Shadow Strike>Steal>Shadow Strike>Infil. With the sigils proc the damage is kinda ok, slightly lower than S/D or S/F Ele, hence not to the point it needs to be nerfed.

Power lock mesmer still does more damage, more survival ability and definitely less risk. I don’t understand why you make this thread and this video and asking for nerf when you don’t even know what really happened.

p/s: Please… you’re the noob that died in the video. Your youtube and gw2 account name is the same. Who the kitten video himself getting bursted, edited it and transfer(lol) to you so you can post it on your account?

Lol your just going to make yourself look like a fool if you keep insisting I’m the one who died. Add the character in the video you will get someone else’s account add the thief who killed him and you will get me. (Yes I’m responding even though I know your a troll)

DarkSyze.8627:

Zelulose.8695:

Even I am not sure if this is a joke or serious but check out this link to find out for yourself.

They want Ele nerfed and mesmer nerfed, but I say, why not nerf this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ctFFUSMajs

This is not joke because it was same 3 years old: 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26e3UC7Ve30

Yes this was nerfed then. But it came back for round two although p/d this time.

Shadow.1345:

Then why didn’t you film it from your perspective?

Lol see if that account name is this account. You will be adding a different account name if you ad the guy in the video who died. He doesn’t suck either. He was just told by me to record while I was somewhere on the map he didn’t know. Then I stealthed, watched him run around a bit, and hit him with a surprise attack. (Just like a regular spvp match not a duel).

Why do these trolls think I’m the one playing in the video. I previously posted it is not me read before posting. I’m the one who dished out the damage.

While I, of-course, am getting lots of hate from the thief supporters or trolls, I really posted this so hopefully the balance team gets wind of it and makes their own call.

lol play some spvp as a thief and see if this thief doesn’t kill you while you try to target a guy who literally came out of nowhere. Or say your half hp fighting on a point well bunker or no bunker your dead when he enters the scene and you won’t even see him coming.

RevanCorana.8942:

How do you know you didn’t even target him lol can’t see his boons, besides quickness is good with pistol.
On a sidenote you should have seen or rather heard it coming at 0:02 sound of stealth.

Again how do you target a player that just hit you from stealth?
If the thief had used it right next to him like a backstab, it also 100% cant be dodged. only stun break to dodge shadow shot.
I am again not the person who played this build.

It is funny how you watched the video and still add things that never happened. (like quickness lol). Also, I am aware that an ele can do similar, however, it doesn’t hit you from stealth and stun you instantly with its elite skill like thief. For clarification, I’m not the one who died to this build in the video.

Lol you are so wrong. so so wrong. But you did get the p/d right. Regardless, it would be fair if he didn’t open on an unsuspecting player from stealth and it is totally fair for tank players. Thief is rather limited though. They have to go both armor and vitality to survive.

PierPiero.9142:

with a backstab it is possible , it depends on the build you use. if you use a full dps oriented build, high risk high reward you can oneshot … but if you make a mistake … you are dead . I don’t think a build like that is really viable becouse with aoe you would like a lot … but if you want to make it for fun , you can do that. I can tell you for example that i tried a full elixir carrion build on engineer for fun with hgh. When i reached more than 15 might of stack (quite fast) in stealth with elixir U i could nearly oneshot people using all my pistols skin on target in few second. It is fun but it is not really viable …. i die as hell … The fact that you can oneshot does not mean that a build is really viable

Idk. With venom share, That p/d thief could do allot of damage in team fights especially if his weapon swap is SB. (He did not backstab at all)

Krysard.1364:

a thief vs thief have been always like this, no post-patch, if a CS thief did his opener and you could not react, you were rekt… What you have to do is steal him, or use your stunbreaks+withdraw, and then attack him, it is likely you will do the same amount of dmg than received

Why don’t you check out how fast the first more or less 12k damage hit and tell me how you dodge it in the middle of an spvp match lol. That tidbit happens in less than half a second and stuns you. The theif would be even worse off it it used a zerker amulet (obviously no light armor class or thief can effectively use it now in spvp without getting insta-killed by a supersize attack)

Lol who cares about ele.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ctFFUSMajs&feature=youtu.be

Wow that’s perfect. Now if players stale mate both have to go onto their next character and both lose the first round. It is highly likely that, eventually, one player will win by being the last one standing. +1 from me wish it was in U.S.

Even I am not sure if this is a joke or serious but check out this link to find out for yourself.

They want Ele nerfed and mesmer nerfed, but I say, why not nerf this.

Ah, then it was a misunderstanding. Thank you for easing my fears.

Basandra Skye.4031:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Zelulose.8695:

Well either Gw2 is getting money for one day gem items or someone else is. I mean seriously, one person just buys a whole bunch of gw2 accounts, waits for a one day item, and sells them for more. How did the devs not see why one day purchases are bad.

What?
Even if you have someone with a bunch of accounts (why someone would really have more then 2 at the most is beyond me but… okay…) they couldn’t ‘waits for a one day item, and sells them for more’…
Unless you are gifting an item directly from the Gem Store to someone else (which obviously you can’t do if it is not currently for sale,) you can’t (as far as I know) buy something like the wing back piece and then sell it on the TP…

OP thinks people hoard accounts, buy “exclusives” on one day sales (@OP, there’s been only TWO SUCH SALES to my knowledge, both of which are explicitly stated as PREVIEWS OF SOON TO COME ITEMS), then sell said accounts for “a bunch of money.” Why they do is beyond me, and I cba finding the tinfoil picture.

If they are soon to come items then nvm. But if they are not seen again well.. ya.

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Zelulose.8695:

Well either Gw2 is getting money for one day gem items or someone else is. I mean seriously, one person just buys a whole bunch of gw2 accounts, waits for a one day item, and sells them for more. How did the devs not see why one day purchases are bad.

What?
Even if you have someone with a bunch of accounts (why someone would really have more then 2 at the most is beyond me but… okay…) they couldn’t ‘waits for a one day item, and sells them for more’…
Unless you are gifting an item directly from the Gem Store to someone else (which obviously you can’t do if it is not currently for sale,) you can’t (as far as I know) buy something like the wing back piece and then sell it on the TP…

Think of it like an investment. You buy say 30 accounts for some money and wait for a one day even’t. Then sell them all for twice the price if the items they acquire from events and one day purchase are really nice