Venoms are terrible because there are much better offensive alternatives, and adding a stun breaker to them isn’t really going to entice me to use them over our much better defensive utilities.
Send me a mail, I’ll come as long as this isn’t one of those events were people wait 10 minutes just to fight… And as long as I can make fun of anyone not in FULL ZERK.
“The current meta is bunker and and conditions you will see more of these builds than not.”
I stopped reading there, you couldn’t possibly be more wrong. The meta is Zerker Gear and traits + Skillful use of active mitigation, dodges, Condition removals, invuln, aegis, block etc…
There is also group composition, for obvious reasons guardians are amazing to have, even terrible ones at least contribute something. Then there classes like thieves, which are only valuable to the team if they are really good, having a terrible/average thief on your team is pretty much like fighting a 4v5, you know that feeling you get when there is 3 thieves on your team…ya.
So tell my why this isn’t always on your bar in SPvP?
1. It’s buggy.
2. It doesn’t cleanse conditions.
3. I can’t break stun twice with it.
4. I can’t use it as a shadowstep to be faster.1. Not really, I only had it mishap once. It’s also been stated in the thread you can learn how to use it w/o it messing up.
2. Lets just stop using any ability that doesn’t cleanse conditions? Thieves don’t have a problem with conditions anyways, our heal purges the big 3. Ontop of the fact condition builds are absolute garbage due to the sheer number of condition removals,transfers, conversions.
3. How on earth are you going to get stunned a 2nd time after you are ported invisible half way across the map?
4. TEN THOUSAND RANGE, do you even realize how wrong you are?
1. Since I can teleport normally to some places, where the trap can’t port me, I call it buggy since that’s what I understand as Shadowstep, those “rules” are simply a result
of that bug.2. Are we playing the same game,condi … garbage? Also there are three heals, I might
have my reasons why I don’t use a certain one. Healing amount/cd/evade and most importantly cast time Also it’s just one reason I like Shadowstep more, since it has a
wider variation of practical applications, also it has the best utility cleanse.3. Well you don’t allways want to leave your current point, right?
4. Yes to one preset location, there are various situations where it’s more usefull to go to a point you haven’t set your trap on prevously.
1. Shadow trap isn’t shadow step
2. Condition are garbage, A guardian/Warrior/Ele will turn your condition into boons for themselves, NECROS (nuff said), Every mes worth a kitten will run NULL FIELD meaning again GG conditions in any team fight that mes is in, I could go on forever, but those are the big 3 things that come to mind.
3. Why would you be fighting on your trap? The whole point is to fight on 1 objective and have the option to escape from a losing fight / or instantly port to the other objective to deny the guy there the capture.
4. That “preset” location is 1 of the 3 most important locations on the entire map.
anyways I’ll give this 1,2,3,4 arguments about another 3 goes before I quit, you better b ready m80!
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So tell my why this isn’t always on your bar in SPvP?
1. It’s buggy.
2. It doesn’t cleanse conditions.
3. I can’t break stun twice with it.
4. I can’t use it as a shadowstep to be faster.1. Not really, I only had it mishap once. It’s also been stated in the thread you can learn how to use it w/o it messing up.
2. Lets just stop using any ability that doesn’t cleanse conditions? Thieves don’t have a problem with conditions anyways, our heal purges the big 3. Ontop of the fact condition builds are absolute garbage due to the sheer number of condition removals,transfers, conversions.
3. How on earth are you going to get stunned a 2nd time after you are ported invisible half way across the map?
4. TEN THOUSAND RANGE, do you even realize how wrong you are?
Go and play Thief with this spell one hour, come back and say again "omg this spell is OP ! " because this spell failed 8/10 attempts.
Ive been using it for a week, and Its only failed once. Wile your here how about you tell me the wonders of PvT or magic find gear in PvE or you baddass tank/condition spec!
So tell my why this isn’t always on your bar in SPvP?
1. It’s buggy.
2. It doesn’t cleanse conditions.
3. I can’t break stun twice with it.
4. I can’t use it as a shadowstep to be faster.
1. Not really, I only had it mishap once. It’s also been stated in the thread you can learn how to use it w/o it messing up.
2. Lets just stop using any ability that doesn’t cleanse conditions? Thieves don’t have a problem with conditions anyways, our heal purges the big 3. Ontop of the fact condition builds are absolute garbage due to the sheer number of condition removals,transfers, conversions.
3. How on earth are you going to get stunned a 2nd time after you are ported invisible half way across the map?
4. TEN THOUSAND RANGE, do you even realize how wrong you are?
…Is the single most overpowered utility in the game, and I’m absolutely mind boggled that i don’t see EVERY thief using this in SPvP.
>10,000 range teleport, you don’t even need anyone to step on it.
>If someone does step on it you have 10 seconds to teleport to them. (getting gangbanged 1/2 way across the map? No biggie just pop this baby and ur safe, did I mention it was a stun breaker?).
>When you do this you gain 5 seconds of invis (allowing you to pre cast stuff like basilisk venom) That means for 5 whole seconds after you TP to the guy who triggered it he will have no clue that you are there.
>You also gain 10 stacks of might and fury, when used in conjunction with assassin sig and +5 might on sig trait you gain an insane dps boost for the coming BS, HS,HS (DEAD). Just pop the trap on your home objective in SPvP and wait for some idiot to step on it and 3 shot him all day long.
So tell my why this isn’t always on your bar in SPvP?
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The video was good except for the crappy music lol. This thread is something I wish I had when I first started playing, had to learn all this stuff playing against other thieves.
The thing is alot of this stuff seems unintended, I’m almost afraid Anet will fix alot of it. But who are we kidding anet doesn’t fix anything.
Mesmer is 100x better than thieves, you realize it sooner or later and go back lol.
>I like D/P, but is this considered a kitten build now?
OH BOY lol
Pls tell me you are basing this at least off solo ques and not hotjoin matches,
Thieves are great in GvG, you just need a bit more of brain to play them, meaning on avg you would probably take any other class over a thief. The same reason we used to see ZERKER GEAR ONLY WARRIOR COF RUNS$$$$$$ was because you didn’t need a brain to 100b spam, even though a BS thief can do more DPS than a 100b warrior, its just finding THAT thief in a sea of terrible pug thieves isn’t worth it.
I honestly think we have the best AoE weapon set in the game, and like its been mentioned before with the amount of teleports we have destroying someone outside of the group is a possibility with out burst.
In full zerker gear your cluster bombs should be critting for 4-6k a piece on top of 1.8-2.5k auto attacks, which isn’t too shabby considering CB has no target limit. Add that into the fact we have unlimited blast finishers into water fields, and SR saving people left and there’s no reason to think thieves are bad in large fights.
It would be nice if anet gave us back 1200 range tho. WTF did they even take that away from us for? It took 3+ seconds for that crap to land at that distance anyways.
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1. Reworked PvP rewards, introduction of arcane converter.
-Besides Laurels, PvP rewards are some of the laziest slopped together things I’ve ever seen (just recycled PvE gear given at certain levels, and doesn’t even mirror PvE progressions((Arah gear is easiest to get???)))
2. Spectator Mode.
3. Leaderboards.
- Again who cares? Solo que is literally a lottery of “Did i get on the the team with the least amount of idiots?”, then we have “team” que which is either 2/3 friends teamed with each other, casual guild 5 mans, OR 5 man teams all in voice chat that destroy any unorganized team. Leaderboards wont mean jack until there is GvG (Why is this game even called guild wars?)
4. One on One Tournament Team Matches.
- Something that should of been in from the start?
5. 3 PvP maps introduced.
6. Solo Queue.
- A terrible one that uses no matchmaking (why am I qued with lvl t1 people at t4?) Anet can say they implemented matchmaking all they want, but until I see my MMR I’m not believing a word of it.
7. Permanent finishers.
-Something that should of been from the start, Purely cosmetic, and is now used as a cash shop gimmick
8. Several UI polishing, including displaying PvP rank and minimap adjustments.
- Something that again should of been in from the start / Easily fixed if Anet allowed 3rd party mods
Things coming out by the end of this year:
1. PvP Legendaries
- Another 2000 hour grind oh boy!
2. PvP reward system completely reworked.
-This would be nice, but im pretty sure its just going to be more recycled content.
Obtain credit card and max it out on gems, then spend the rest of your life as a slave to ANET! THAT’S WHATS THEY WANT!!!!
Idk for real probably like 25g a day, if you play like 4 hours. Thats doing the champ rotation in FSG, really boring stuff.
You will obviously be crafting lvl 400 stuff to go from 400-425 if not 450. Common sense stuff.
And if that stuff is also gated? If you can only craft 5 lvl400 things a day, for example……then what was the point of hoarding as it will take you and every other person doing it the same amount of time? I didnt think this was out of the realm of reality, given the crafting gating now with home instance farming and combining those.
I don’t believe we know if this is the case or not, do we?
I’m pretty sure only ascended gear will be time gated.
Yes but you wont be leveling 400-500 on time gated stuff
Source?
Nobody actually knows what the process will be, its all guess work.
You will obviously be crafting lvl 400 stuff to go from 400-425 if not 450. Common sense stuff.
Yes but you wont be leveling 400-500 on time gated stuff
So its no secret that t6 mats are set to rise soon with the crafting update hitting possibly next week. I was wondering what exactly it is people who have already prepared for it have bought?
I grabbed around 1k Orichalcum ore since its basically used with every profession, and will most likely be used alot. I was also thinking the cheaper t6 mats, and ectos etc…
Or even the zerker stat related t6 mats in hopes they will be combined to make the new zerker ascended gear?
Look how much quivers and books cost to craft, now those use mats that have been around for a year, imagine what brand new mats are going to cost.
If they dont add some kind of way to obtain new ascended gear in Fracts 50-100 then your looking at around 250g a piece for gear, not to mention they are time gating it aswell!
Theres so many pieces I had tried playing but due to the insane cool down on notes its impossible to play anything besides some nursery rhymes or some really slow pieces.
An extra octave on the flute would also be very appreciated.
You wont like my 2 cents.
I could post the list of over 50 skills that remove condition then explain the meta to you and everything, but im not.
Just put on zerker gear and spec 25-30-0-0-0 and toss 15 points were ever you want, use D/D in PvE and D/P in PvP.
Then you are asking the wrong question. IT WILL work on all gathering nodes, you just want to know if t7 mats will be gathered via nodes. Delete this thread and remake one asking the right question, or you are going to get off topic posts 99% of the time.
Ummm…. lol. No. I dont care how T7 mats are gathered. I want to know if the gathering tools were designed with the intention of working on all nodes even nodes that will need to be gathered in the future.
This is my last reply to you as I forsee this turning into an argument over nothing and you provide nothing to the conversation that is useful.
So then you are asking if… a mining pic will work on a mining node, or a axe will work on a tree node , or a sickle will work on a plant node? You see were I’m going with this?
They obviously will, why in the hell wouldn’t they? I mean a mining node is a mining node no matter if its t1 or t6, t7 or t800. Come on man.
INB4: Hey Go-Guys Check make sure to buy the new Super mining pick from the gem store for 800 schec..gems, Its the only pick tough enough to handle T7 materials!
But i severely doubt it.
We can argue why it is or is not worth it, the point is it is unclear, and ever since the first tool was released it has been a question if it will cover all nodes forever. Yes, I agree it really should, as I stated because they cost a lot. The point is to clarify it so a few people that are a little hesitant to buy will then buy it.
For feedback on the fact thakittens not that convenient, or its not worth it… Yeah I know, that’s why I’m on the fence on buying it or not. Tell me for sure it will be good for T7 mats or mats in an expansion, and I’m not on the fence any more, I’m buying it.
Thanks for the “Come on man” though. Helpful.
Then you are asking the wrong question. IT WILL work on all gathering nodes, you just want to know if t7 mats will be gathered via nodes. Delete this thread and remake one asking the right question, or you are going to get off topic posts 99% of the time.
TBH they’re more of a rip off than the copper o matic.
It’s not that much of a convenience since buying a single Ori pick lasts long enough already that’s it’s not big deal, and you still have to manage picks whenever you get a bunch of high quality low quantity tools anyway.
That and the unlimited pick is worth like 800+ ori picks in gold lol.
AND it’s not account bound (insane).
The copper o matic is atleast account bound and has atleast some convenience in replacing 25 charge basic kits and freeing up inventory space on white items once in a while.
That plus w/e possibility you stated, I think unlimited ori tools are the biggest scam they’ve pulled so far lol.
I found the unlimited gathering tools to be a worthwhile purchase. I spend a significant portion of my play time in non-level 80 zones so I would previously keep tools of multiple tiers on hand. In some cases multiple tools of multiple tiers. This would tie up more of my inventory space than I liked.
Account bound vs character bound ? No difference to me.
Of course value is subjective. What is an appropriate value to me may not be to someone else, and of course the reverse is true as well.
Most people don’t see a reason to ever gather anything unless it for daily, or orichalcum ore if its right next to them, as they can just do something else and use the gold made from that to buy w/e mats they need.
They obviously will, why in the hell wouldn’t they? I mean a mining node is a mining node no matter if its t1 or t6, t7 or t800. Come on man.
INB4: Hey Go-Guys Check make sure to buy the new Super mining pick from the gem store for 800 schec..gems, Its the only pick tough enough to handle T7 materials!
But i severely doubt it.
“I’m just finished reading a new york best seller on modern economics, I’m smarter than all of you plebs who dont know anything”
Riddle me this Mr. Smith what did $20 of gems buy 6 months ago? And what can $20 of gems buy you now?
Protip: Alot more stuff
Think of it as a survey to see the type of people who post here. Keep it at 10 things, and as least complicated as possible. Try to cover a spectrum of things.
1. Loot tables in dungeons changed to reflect their difficultly more, to counter the growing trend of mindless open PvE zerging.
2. Every Dungeon/World boss now has a small chance to drop a mini of themselves, along with unique gear that only drops from that boss at a small chance (BoE not BoP, give people a reason to do those obscure dungeons).
3. All Dragons revamped, they no longer scale with the amount of people and take a server wide effort to take down, the frequency of dragon spawns is lessened, and the loot changed accordingly
4. GvG PvP, along with rewards and titles etc… specific to GvG.
5. Downed state Removed from SPvP completely.
6. WvWvW revamped to something more similar to DAoC.
7. Dungeon Challenge modes (think gambits for dungeons?) And implemented in a way to discourage farming, maybe a daily rotation of certain challenges.
8. Revamped Commander toolsets, and a /commanders channel
9. Revamped Guild Tools, including keep/Town claiming, A guild calendar etc…
10. A PvP/RP server, as in Open PvP outside of WP settlements and major cities. It would give us PvPers / Hardcore players a nice little server to congregate on and there’s alot of possibilities for fun / guild rivalries etc…
I literally CANT think of a dungeon that isn’t exploited 99% of the time. Anet doesn’t care about them at all, maybe if it cost gems to run them they would fix them up.
Since its mentioned NO WHERE in the game whatsoever, period, at all can anyone school me on what sigils stack and which don’t?
For instance does force and accuracy stack? Or fire and air? Etc….
Classic nerd rage, saved these for posterity sake.
Any ways D/D is in almost all cases inferior to D/P. There’s ppl who spam heartseeker like noobs, and there’s ppl who use it smartly, to close a gap, or to create one quickly. If you use the later the 1st thing that will come to an uneducated players mind is “OMG HS SPAM GET GUD SCRUBLORD!”
In a game with only 5 skills its hard to have much variety, this ofcourse leads to why GW2 PvP is a daycare/seseme street tier, I would literally rather watch a WoW PvP match.
Your not forced to stay in their party…? Only commanders would see /commanders?
what are you even on about
1. You mean squad, not party.. And squad chat is the least used channel of them all.. So only showing the drawing of the commander to people in his squad? Well, he can make some nice drawings for him/herself then..
2. I’m a commander, so griefing commanders in commander-chat would bother me..
1. …what? i cant understand ur syntax, are you suggesting a commander might draw phallic symbols all over the map? Then I’m pretty sure people would leave his platoon/whatever you want to call it.
2. If you cant handle criticism / dealing with trolls then you probably shouldn’t be a commander.
I’d really like to see something like permanent drawing on the minimap with different colors (an eraser tool aswell for obvious reasons), and a /commanders channel for each zone.
Unfortunately commanders are also players, so that means you have some griefers underneath them who will draw some very nice pictures on your map (and don’t erase them at all). Not to mention the /commander-spam you open yourself to..
Commander icons need to be reviewed and improved, but certainly not removed..
Your not forced to stay in their party…? Only commanders would see /commanders?
what are you even on about
Another one of THESE threads. Theres already one on the front page, not to mention these ideas are terrible, stop trying to make farming harder than it already is. It’s not hard to dodge the red circles stop dying, if you do oh well WP and come back…
Oh and btw you aren’t getting a res bc standing still = death, not because ppl are focused on farming, use your brain.
The alternative to mindless zerg farming is SKILL based small group / solo content.
The forums would be flooded with casuals are bads crying they cant do it. Then Anet would cater to them. Not even gonna bother fleshing this idea out any further im sure you get it.
Commander tags were very lazily slopped together by Anet. The tool set is beyond shallow / uninspired.
The only reason I even bothered buying one was so people could see were stuff was going on in PvE.
I’d really like to see something like permanent drawing on the minimap with different colors (an eraser tool aswell for obvious reasons), and a /commanders channel for each zone. A PROPER raid party were I can see at least 4 other squads on the map and a /raid or /warband were all the squads under my “command” can talk to each other.
These small changes would make commander 10000x better and honestly should of been in the game from the start.
GOOD JOB OP!
Here what I and most terrible people like me will be doing.
- Kill my 8th champ
-Leave for the next camp I can get drops at
-Now a handfull of people are left fighting a ton of mobs
-They all die
-Event fails
-Tons of kitten ensues in /m
STOP nerfing peoples ability to make money, your idea is backwards.
What we need is champs spawning at EVERY event not just pirates etc… theres a reason hardly anyone bothered with minions (5-10 chests vs 1) that’s a real hard choice!
Money is this game is HARD to make, theres a wall that almost no one can pass until they get a precursor drop, otherwise your average person makes ~5g a day, especially now that emberfarm and deadeye are gone.
If you’re looking for a balanced build, you might want to try going with less crit chance. The mathematically ideal crit chance is 41.9%, so you’re wasting a whole 10% that could be put into something that would benefit your build more, like vitality or healing power.
care to explain that math?
Stop reading after you werent using full zerker. What r u doin M8?
Sorry can’t imagine myself playing something that needlessly glassy.
Have you not be in the 1000’s of threads were its basically proven that active mitigation via dodging/invuln/stealth etc…. is a million times more valuable than passive mitigation via more HP / toughness?
You might be able to shave 3-5k off of that backstab/eviscerate/heart seeker with toughness and vit, but you can shave ALL of it off with 1 dodge. Meaning the better someone is the more the tend to higher dps gear with more active mitigation.
Don’t condemn yourself to mediocracy through vit/toughness gear, and instead learn how to get better at that game. This IS the side effect of no trinity.
I absolutely understand the sentiment and have no intention of standing like an idiot while ppl are taking swings at me. Dodging and evading its 100% damage mitigation and plan on using the mechanic to the fullest whenever possible. I just feel that I’m losing far more than gaining by going fully offensive. Take a look at the build I just posted and let me know what you think. Has more zerk pieces btw.
Something that is rarely if ever discussed is approach. You need to survey every fight before you engage, and engage properly based on that.
For instance in just about ever 1v1 situation you might find yourself in imaginable your D/P is your best choice, just go in and do your thing. VS a mesmer for isntance you might want to use sb for obvious reason till ~30 when you can drop the big HS burst in combination with some form of CC / or knowledge that he can’t evade / stealth out of it.
In a 1v2 situation you use a sb and pressure, you aren’t trying to kill anyone, keep SR ready to get out of dodge if they go for you.
2+v2+ again its best to let your friend go in wile you rain down clusterboms and poison fields, until again you see an opportunity to burst someone down. SB does MASSIVE dmg to groups, and should be what you are using in a TPvP match 60% of the time, unless you are roaming solo between points picking off people.
1v1 balance for what? the 1v1 SPvP modes or duels? LOL
The game should be balanced around 5v5 teams, meaning some builds should smash others. I bet you think DotA should be balanced 1v1 aswell.
LoL is an example of a game were they try to make 100+ builds balanced somewhat on a 1v1 level, what you end up with is 100 different builds that are pretty much the kitten same / boring as hell.
Did you even read the OP…?
You CANT have both
Tons of other MMORPG’s did it, so your argument is invalid. And let me clarify that I mean balance that the majority is happy with, not PERFECT balance, as that is, indeed, impossible.
Lets just make every class the same then
1v1 balance for what? the 1v1 SPvP modes or duels? LOL
The game should be balanced around 5v5 teams, meaning some builds should smash others. I bet you think DotA should be balanced 1v1 aswell.
LoL is an example of a game were they try to make 100+ builds balanced somewhat on a 1v1 level, what you end up with is 100 different builds that are pretty much the kitten same / boring as hell.
Did you even read the OP…?
You CANT have both
Stop reading after you werent using full zerker. What r u doin M8?
Sorry can’t imagine myself playing something that needlessly glassy.
Have you not be in the 1000’s of threads were its basically proven that active mitigation via dodging/invuln/stealth etc…. is a million times more valuable than passive mitigation via more HP / toughness?
You might be able to shave 3-5k off of that backstab/eviscerate/heart seeker with toughness and vit, but you can shave ALL of it off with 1 dodge. Meaning the better someone is the more the tend to higher dps gear with more active mitigation.
Don’t condemn yourself to mediocracy through vit/toughness gear, and instead learn how to get better at that game. This IS the side effect of no trinity.
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GW2 tries to appeal to everyone, and ends up with a watered down experience for everyone. A hardcore player and a casual certainly can play this game and have some fun doing so, but not near as much as a game catered to their individual needs.
Essentially this game is becoming a cash grab catering to the lowest common denominator instead of making a really great game a group of people will really enjoy, GW1 brought me in because I was a hardcore PvP fan, though the PvE wasn’t 1/2 bad either.
1v1 balance for what? the 1v1 SPvP modes or duels? LOL
The game should be balanced around 5v5 teams, meaning some builds should smash others. I bet you think DotA should be balanced 1v1 aswell.
LoL is an example of a game were they try to make 100+ builds balanced somewhat on a 1v1 level, what you end up with is 100 different builds that are pretty much the kitten same / boring as hell.
I like this idea enough to buy gems for it
Why would you buy gems for something that should already be in the game officially or through 3rd party mods?
You sicken me, I bet you like day 1 dlc too.
this is why I have a rule to never play alts in RPG’s and rather just have 1 good character. Its not all your fault, Anets daily design is pretty garbage tier.
Obviously not
I dont’ know….
the living story line talks about torturing people by cooking them in a pot.I’m not sure that is meant for young kid.
Cooking people in a pot is a classic feature of bedtime stories for young kids.
The average 8-12 year old plays CoD/GTA, knows every single curse/racist slur in the book, and is probably no stranger to pornography. I severely doubt a mention of someone getting cooked alive with corrupt their pure souls. Welcome to 2013.
Toughness baby build warrior comes to cry about heart seeker on thief forums because he cant into the active mitigation meta.
Absolutely beautiful!
Maybe you should go put on some zerker gear and learn how to actually play the game OP.
so condition builds dont kill an opponent in 3 seconds, sorry but I actually look for fights and WANT my opponent to fight back. I swear some of you backstab thieves act like if we dont hit 11k backstabs we’re practicing withcraft or something. . I win more than my share of fights despite that list. I guess I just fight nothing but “brain dead” players all the time
/sarcasm
No sarcasm required, thieves are thieves stop trying to play a subpar necromancer with stealth. Its not about doing MLGPR0 DEEPS its about using the best spec available to us and learning how to use it well. You can keep trying to be a special snowflake, but you will always have done better as a zerker D/P thief in any PvP situation.