Guild Wars 2

Maugetarr.6823:

Cuteypie.7835:

I was hoping so much for a heal that would heal over time while evading incoming attacks. Preferably that would also let us maintain control over our character so we could still do damage :/ Instead we got the worst kitten ever. Im happy my mesmer almost is as complete as my thief now gearwise.

Something like flashing blades:

evade attacks for 2 or 3 seconds; damage people around you when you evade attacks (range 130). Gain health when you evade attacks.

(my mesmer is almost completely geared as well and I will probably use the new signet if these are accurate)

Except, we don’t get it but warriors do!

coglin.1867:

EvilUeki.7354:

I hate the fact that they are forcing people to craft in order to get ascended gears.

You can get ascended weapon drops in WvW and PvE content, so I think it is safe to assume you will be able to acquire ascended armor in the same manner. So saying they force you is a little much.

best of luck with getting it as a drop (and the right kind).

TheDaiBish.9735:

Belzebu.3912:

TheDaiBish.9735:

Belzebu.3912:

The game code isn’t ready to allow the same weapon on the same class have different skills, to make new weapon skills would require A LOT more coding, assuming it is even possible.

If this function is already in game, I can’t see why you’d think it’s not possible.

In fact, I can’t imagine the code being much different to the code already in place for heals, utilities and elites, since the servers save character data anyway.

That function isn’t in game.

Weapon skills works very differently from utility skills. Change the whole weapon and make a new one is possible, make only a few skills of a weapon be customizeble isn’t possible with current mechanics.

I know it’s not specifically with weapon skills. In terms of the function, I was referring to the mechanics of:

• switching individual skills
• tying specific skills to slots
• these individual choices being saved.

Since they’ve already been demonstrated on the right-hand bar, why couldn’t it be implemented for weapons in the same form? (referring to your ‘requires a lot more coding if it’s even possible’ comment)

It’s kind of easy for us to say it might be easy… but we really don’t know how they’ve structured it in the code….
Well structured, it should be easy…
Poorly structured…

Wouldn’t hold my breath for a building changing ability….

Jornophelanthas.1475:

Zero Day.2594:

Jornophelanthas.1475:

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Rooks Zaer.5846:

That was not a “problem”.

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ArenaNet has implemented Legendary equipment as a long-term goal, but this put the bar very high, leaving a very large gap in between exotic and legendary.

That is where ascended comes in. Ascended equipment is an intermediate goal, which can be realized along the way between exotic (which is almost instantly attainable) and legendary (which takes a looong time to earn).

…

(Probably didn’t read my previous post.)

Why was there a gap in the first place? Okay, the gap is the problem, but what’s causing that gap? What’s the source of the problem? What’s the actual problem?

A poor decision made in game development, or in anticipating the game’s economy.

As a game developer, you cannot undo such a situation. Not without a full restart of the game, which might as well be pulling the plug on the game itself, as that would alienate every single player. Such drastic measures are not productive, and not necessary.

So what do you do? You develop new content to fill the niche that exotic gear was supposed to occupy. (Possibly a little more difficult to obtain, to compensate for the easily-obtainalbe exotic gear already in the game.)

So ascended is not really the problem. The problem is exotic. Ascended is the proposed solution.

At this point, either we’re on the same page as to what the “problem” is or close…

Scavanger hunt, has been asked for how long now?
Ability to craft? (HEY! why not make it the same kitten mats as ascended is now? or a bit more)
list of ideas go on…

phaeris.7604:

IF the thief heal skill as advertised is kind of a big deal, then the other classes heal skills are equivalent to the second coming of christ.

Yup, right around/near the time of Christmas after all…

(I know it’s the wrong story/version/date)

Leamas.5803:

I can see it now…in 6 months…dungeon group…“LF2M – MUST have ascended gear!!” In a year it will be the norm.

Blasphemy! That will never happen!
(sarcasm)

Jornophelanthas.1475:

Yes, ArenaNet made exotics too easy to acquire. But placing blame does not help the situation. Something needed to be done.

Doing nothing was a surefire way of shortening the game’s lifespan.

Gradually introducing ascended gear might help the situation.

They didn’t address the problem actually, because the gap still exists between ascended and legendary. if the “gap” was the “problem”….

Ascended could have been avoided if they fixed the “problem” and not attempting to patch up the “gap”.

phaeris.7604:

Zero Day.2594:

wait… wait… back up,
we have a thief dev?

I assume it’s the janitor. Or just some guy on the street they shout down at from the window. Or a magic eight ball they shake.

Well, if he’s legit…
He’s probably in jail for stealing kittens.

(See what I did there with the bad word… works both ways!)

Jornophelanthas.1475:

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Rooks Zaer.5846:

That was not a “problem”.

…

ArenaNet has implemented Legendary equipment as a long-term goal, but this put the bar very high, leaving a very large gap in between exotic and legendary.

That is where ascended comes in. Ascended equipment is an intermediate goal, which can be realized along the way between exotic (which is almost instantly attainable) and legendary (which takes a looong time to earn).

…

(Probably didn’t read my previous post.)

Why was there a gap in the first place? Okay, the gap is the problem, but what’s causing that gap? What’s the source of the problem? What’s the actual problem?

phaeris.7604:

It’s like the thief dev was asked to give his version of the new heal as all the other devs had spent a good bit of time working on their classes heals.

Since he’d been playing hearthstone all day, off the top of his head he said ‘Umm…heal venom?, yeah, heal venom, that’ll do. It works the same as SoM, but not as good.’

wait… wait… back up,
we have a thief dev?

caveman.5840:

stealth sucks just keep swing your wep lol

Blasphemy

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/So-tell-me-again-Thief-is-OP-in-WvW/page/2#post3203425

phaeris.7604:

When you look at the full list of heals, it’s absolutely horrible compared to every single other heal out there.

All the other heals have a second component, or do something else amazing.

Our one is a venom, on a 45 second cooldown and lasts 2 attacks.

WUT???!!!

YAYA!!!!

messiah.1908:

but we already got venom leech trait

so they want to push us to be more aggressive while giving us no defense tools

and where you got all of this info

pls link

There was a “Datamined” heal skills post in general, but it was deleted or I can’t find it….

Skills also seem to be up on gw2db…

(Thanks stof)

http://www.gw2db.com/skills/23539-skelk-venom

Quite honestly, I wish it was fake or they change it or it’s wrong info.

Jornophelanthas.1475:

…
The purpose is not to give yourself a shopping list that you need to grind off single-mindedly. Instead, the purpose is to just play the game the way you like, and to work on multiple items on that list while doing things you enjoy.
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The problem is not that ascended takes too long to get; the real problem was that exotics were far too easy to get.

“Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base. The rare stuff becomes the really awesome looking armours. It’s all about collecting the unique looking stuff and collecting all the other rare collectable items in the game: armour pieces, potentially different potions…"
Right.

Rooks Zaer.5846:

Jornophelanthas.1475:

The problem is not that ascended takes too long to get; the real problem was that exotics were far too easy to get.

That was not a “problem”.

My understanding of the “problem” was that there was too big of a gap for some odd reason (precursor RNG? Nah, can’t be) between getting exotics and legendaries. As well they found exotics were easier to get than they expected.

:/ So they now want us to be supports?
Venom share the new heal? (That’s nice of you and all… HiS still seems better)
Really guys?

Nice they deleted the post with the datamined healing skills… OP.

stof.9341:

Looks like a 45 second CD instant cast venom according to datamining :

http://www.gw2db.com/skills/23539-skelk-venom

I can see that being nerfed! So OP unlike the warrior’s.

Also notice it has a heal amount… meaning it’s not you deal 6k you get healed for 6k (or hell even a precentage would be nice)… it scales with healing power ergo SoM is better (since it’s not kittens or not 30 seconds)

Belzebu.3912:

Zero Day.2594:

Belzebu.3912:

The problem with weapons skills is that they would need to make a new mechanic to the game, since currently we can’t choose it, the skills are imbued in the weapon.

Difference between choosing utilities, given a race (the elites) (like a weapon, never mind the class difference, just race differences), and choosing skills given a weapon?

But yeah, poor mechanic that’s not so customizable…

The game code isn’t ready to allow the same weapon on the same class have different skills, to make new weapon skills would require A LOT more coding, assuming it is even possible.

New weapons on the other hand is a thing that is much more plausible, the only problem would be balance but that is just a matter of testing.

New utilities are much more simple because those are already costumizable in game.

:/ I want shurikens, katana’s, AK-47’s… (AN-94 works too, <3 it in BF3)

caveman.5840:

omg stop nerving the thief to death soon there will be nothing left of the class lol . i am srry if everyone just wants the thief to hold still so u can smash it in 3 hits but we die real easy lol .

Good suggestion,

What: Thief movement.
Why: Loot bags shouldn’t move.

Leo Paul.1659:

cesmode.4257:

Zelyhn.8069:

I have never been so afraid before.

I sort of second this. I can only assume that the materials required for a single piece of ascended gear will be similar to a weapon and that scares the hell out of me because its so much. Let me take that back…to craft the individual pieces isnt so bad. But getting your crafting to 500 is the hardest part. Its rediculous.

The whole idea behind ascended is still preposterous for me.. And the more they delve into it, the more jaded I become about the game.

:D For me,
it’s like receiving a lump of coal near the holidays lol

Belzebu.3912:

The problem with weapons skills is that they would need to make a new mechanic to the game, since currently we can’t choose it, the skills are imbued in the weapon.

Difference between choosing utilities, given a race (the elites) (like a weapon, never mind the class difference, just race differences), and choosing skills given a weapon?

But yeah, poor mechanic that’s not so customizable…

cesmode.4257:

Oh, and a new healing skill? So disappointing. Wheres the utility skills or weapon skills?

LOL, you didn’t see it coming?
Sorry,…. It’s extraordinary (unrealistically) high hopes to hope for new/additional weapon skills. Utilities are more likely, but yeah heals take the cake.

Maugetarr.6823:

Zero Day.2594:

Imagi.4561:

Zero Day.2594:

guys! guys!
It’s all good.
We’re getting a new heal move.
Everyone relax.

And it’s another venom! Oh, praise the Six Gods, for we are saved.

Didya see what the warrior gets?

Sarcastically or did they already post some of the heals?

Yeah and no, it’s datamined, but looks accurate (warrior – op).
Another funny thing is…

Guardian
-Litany of Wrath: Meditation. Heal yourself. For a brief time, you heal each time you strike an enemy, based on a percentage of damage dealt.

VS

Thief
-Skelk Venom: Venom. Your next few attacks heal you.

So, guardian heals and leeches, thieves just leech…. nice.

Imagi.4561:

Zero Day.2594:

guys! guys!
It’s all good.
We’re getting a new heal move.
Everyone relax.

And it’s another venom! Oh, praise the Six Gods, for we are saved.

Didya see what the warrior gets?

I can’t wait! I got so many weapons last time for my self.
(zilch, zero, zippo, nil, nada)
Good thing I will have the same stats as everyone else!
(sarcasm)

guys! guys!
It’s all good.
We’re getting a new heal move.
Everyone relax.

Excalibur.9748:

The build is dead, time to move on after Dec.10.

Time to bust out my re-roll-warrior build. OP!

Not sure what the 13% means…
Does it mean:
A) Any thief created and not deleted (but who knows if active)
B) Actively playing thief.

Quit honestly, if it’s A, I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s more now, since people might want to try it and then leave it be.

Pretty easy to see for yourself in game though…

Fortus.6175:

And I approve this message, this should also be a sticky on top of the forum, next to the warrior one.

My list:
10-16k backstabs need to go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9d4Og8KbEM

Perma ability to reset fights and run away is pretty much, in the right hand, 100% immortality, specially when they can make an attrition war last forever until you die or they simply walk away.

Aight, so I will help out a bit with the formatting:

What: 10-16k backstabs need to go
Why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9d4Og8KbEM

What: Perma ability to reset fights and run away
Why: 100% immortality, specially when they can make an attrition war last forever until you die or they simply walk away.

Hope I got that right, cheers!

SoLeciTO.3490:

hahahah Zero Day.2594 stop!

I’m at work i can laught this hard!

This is no laughing matter! It’s a serious thread!

Burnfall and Sanduskalalalala (sorry forgot your name, should have made it simple like burnfall did….) you’re welcome to join provided you guys follow the format… What and Why….

Request for a nerf here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/first#post3309034
We’re too OP to counter.

Originally by: Otaur.9268

What: Condition Damage (Chocking gas and caltrops specifically) and Stealth
Why: I spammed shortbow poison aoe, caltrops, etc to apply conditions on foes in area and noticed I can pretty much kill both players and monsters without becoming “revealed.” This is getting more and more popular in WvW and it is rather unfair… But this is enough, please make any damage the thieves do in stealth apply revealed. Spamming conditions from stealth should reveal them.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Condition-Damage-and-Stealth/first#post3225311

(Side note: Never mind the Mesmer’s clones…)

Originally by: VIVorcha.7853

What: Hide in Shadows
Why: You get high healing, DOT removal, regeneration, and stealth. It dominates, and condition builds suffer the most. I’m thinking the healing should be lowered slightly (maybe equal to Shelter) and the condition removal should be limited to removing one DOT condition.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/I-think-it-s-time-to-nerf-Hide-in-Shadows/first#post3308620

Clumsy.6257:

Stalima.5490:

so why does the most mobile class in the game need 1200 range again?
you already get 1500 steal range to close distance and plenty of tricks to move around and evade…. if anything it should be lowered to 750-800 to compensate for that

if you steal into a giant zerg its instadeath

Working as intended, teleporting loot bags.
Soon we will die on sight and they will receive loot automatically.

Please, think about it… it’s a gap closer. Having 1200 range means something else….

style.6173:

Thieves should not be able to use any weapons. Once a thief looked at me and without attacking me, I received 35k damage. This is with my 30,000 HP and 3,500 toughness.

Why should thieves be able to do so much damage to me without them even attacking????

(nice thread)

Thanks. allow me to restructure it…

What: Thieves should not be able to use any weapons.
Why: Once a thief looked at me and without attacking me, I received 35k damage. This is with my 30,000 HP and 3,500 toughness.
Why should thieves be able to do so much damage to me without them even attacking????

:D There.

I think someone should start a post (or a wish list) for all the thief nerfs….
You want anymore OP? It is near Christmas(or w/e holiday you celebrate).
I mean one guy was also suggesting nerfing choking gas/stealth.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Condition-Damage-and-Stealth/

@Burnfall post
LOL!
Keep it up. Thanks.

Zacchary.6183:

Cygnus.6903:

I’d say just improving some of the items you can steal right now is enough. Steal becomes incredibly potent with some trait investment (just like most F abilities of other classes need investment also). Right now, just the elementalist and engineer items are bordering useless. All other items range from ok to great.

That’s another thing that kitten es me off about it. You can trait heavily for it and it becomes this 1 button that does everything. Its like signets and venoms: they suck because they don’t do much by themselves, but holy kitten if you use every trait for it!

I would have to agree with Cygnus there, improving existing steal skill would be very nice of them, maybe provide a set of skills that can be stolen per class (then again, it will be somewhat random… and we all know RNG).
Asking for a rework…. I really doubt they will ever listen. Not to mention buffing something they’re attempting to slowly and gradually nerf to the ground would go against the progress they made thus far. Ha! they could rework it…. make it less useful, i can see that happening.

Zacchary.6183:

Thief – Extra Gear: Steal becomes one of the target thief’s equipped utility skills. Has unlimited uses.

At a first glance that seems OP, but if you think about it…. :/ you will be stealing kitten you already have (more then likely)….
None of this will get through anyways… like you said anything thats good for the thief is OP….
It’s easier to ask for buffs for other class, like guardian or warrior… and then re-roll :P….
Please give warriors stealth!

Zacchary.6183:

Ranger – (no idea for this one)

Plant an eco-friendly tree.

:P thanks, admittedly outside of CoF p1 farming, i havent used zerker backstab/“perma-stealth” in WvW… since i don’t roam, i try to stay with the zerg, where i feel only the shortbow can do anything :/
PvP wise, p/d condi build….

Dagins.5163:

…
And yes, as a glass cannon ganker thief you want to have as much crit damage as possible for your backstab and heartseeker to kill your enemies before electrons travel to their screens to show the entire tragedy.

OP NERF THIEVES NOW PLEASE, NERF THE SPEED OF THEIR ELECTRONS

sorry that made laugh lol… before electrons travel to their screens… lol

Ugh on the topic of crit damage and criting in general..

Anyone tried using assassin (prec/power/crit dmg) gear? How viable is it to try to max your crit chance (more so than power) along with crit damage… I guess where I’m getting this idea is the rogue archetype in other games sometimes get associated with “unstable damage” but the highest damage possible as well as lowest, through only relaying on some form of a crit stat (be it dex, agility, or crit itself). You get the effect of sometimes hitting for peanuts and sometimes hitting like a train (and the gap is noticeably large). Like zerker gives you more power and less crit chance, so the gap isn’t as huge as it could be. mmm It may as well be a backstabbing zerker… it’s kind hard to pin an example…. if you ever experienced it in other games you would know what i mean…

“Easy money in the trading post?”
Learn to flip….
Start with a frying pan and pancakes (easiest, or anything else that’s relatively flat and one piece), move up to hash browns and then home fries…
When you’re ready, flip items on TP….
Seriously though, dig around on flipping items and if you’re willing to take a bit of risk and put in some patience… who knows maybe you will make some gold.
Despite what matemaster said, you dont need 200g… 1g will do (just means you have to pick more carefully what to flip), 200g just makes you generate more/faster (if you’re willing to put in 200g).

fadeaway.2807:

….
I would pay for priority wvw and zone queueing.
…

NO
NO
HELL NO

I will quit the day that happens, you can hold me to these words.
(Specifically, the WvW priority.)

Zacchary.6183:

Burnfall.9573:

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/guild-wars-2-fractured-update-goes-live-today-new-screenshots-videos/

Mbelch.9028:

Burnfail, as we’ve begun calling him in the ele forums, likes to make posts to try to degrade other classes so as to further his class.

His favorite lines are “justice, freedom, liberty” and other crap he spews.

I’d usually say ignore the troll, but the troll is hard to ignore, as you risk Anet listening to the troll.

Good luck, thieves.

Ah…. you can always depend on Burnfall to give you a good laugh….

Burnfall.9573:

I would like too, someday but right now, ranger class is my heart; even though it is mercilessly being tortured in the hand of thieves and Arena.net.

This is what, why we were created for, right?

So i guess.. after the burial of my innocent ranger, i will be free to cross the other side.

And when that day comes, people might start taking you a bit more seriously…. might.

Scratch that… you will probably come back say “so easy unfair blah blah blah”.

No one likes the gearing? no?

Burnfall.9573:

…
In other word, Don’t Blame us for nerfing your class, Blame Arena.net as the sole responsible party for intentionally allowing your class to break the game and causing hatred, animosity, grudge, retaliation, malice, spitefulness, disgust, greed, lust for total power, lust for total control, greed. and injustice, among ourselves.
…

LOL, you’re a kittening poet Brunfall… are you a poet?
Bad thieves! bad!

dusanyu.4057:

…
Thief is a Rouge class your supposed to find /Week/ targets and pick them off not go toe to toe with an Abrams tank and expect to win.

No one wants to admit they’re weak. Easier to cry for a nerf.