Guild Wars 2

Eloquence.5207:

You can see Warriors coming at you. Warrior attacks wildly telegraphed. Try again.

Thieves can expect no negative outcome in a fight. It’s either: you win or you retreat safely.

So… you’re saying you’ve never seen a dead thief before?
(Every single class/person can disengage from a fight and ditch.)

Excalibur.9748:

it’s good we need more nerfs because some “thieves” still think we will be amazing after dec.10

:D good thing there’s a….
Nerf Wish List!
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list

(I know you know, I’m just advertising)

Burnfall.9573:

…
who can live without a brain?
…

Sometimes I think I’ve met a lot of people that can do that. It’s really impressive and I don’t know how they do it but they do.

roostergoblin.2801:

Master of Timespace.2548:

They just can’t admit that “hard to catch” is a trash trait by desing? Nobody wants to be randomly teleported around. Why is this so difficult for them to understand? Really makes me wonder where they get these people…

my guess is they just pick them up off the street

From the warrior forums.

That’s being known a few days before ascended weapons were released… When people found out the material lists…

Um…
Buy Gems (with real money) → Convert into gold → get mats → level professions
There’s your experience from gemstore… just indirectly.

aLovedhater.4096:

What – thief height
why – they should be able to be smaller then asura

That would make them hard to see/click/target, so that would be OP. What you meant to say is:

What: thief height
Why: they should be able to be larger than norn

(Easier to see and target, bigger hit box for AoE’s to hit… larger target to attack)

I would say, re-roll warrior/gaurdian…
But you’re timing couldn’t be more prefect, after tomorrow, this coming Tuesday, is the “balance” patch. So yeah see for youself, there’s some patch notes up (stickied in general).

Sube Dai.8496:

Think I would like to see more build options with current weapons first. Every class already has weapons that you would never use.

Doubt that will happen, let’s hope that the new weapons will at least not be as broken as some…

cptn skyz.8706:

first of all read this thief description from gw2 wiki : Thieves are expert in the shadow arts. They utilize stealth and shadowsteps to surprise and to get close to their target. They’re deadly in one-on-one combat using their agility, acrobatic fighting style, and the ability to steal to overcome their enemies. They have an affinity for setting traps and using venom. As an adventurer profession, thieves wear medium armor. 2. people complain about thief doing 10 to 16k crits so what we get killed in 2 hits by almost anyone besides some war hit for 10 to 20k crits 3. its not only the class that makes the difference but also the one playing , plz stop complaining about thieves saying they are to op , stealth is to op , op here op there op this op that , guys cmon just stop hating cuz you get killed by thieves , i mean we still get beaten and that is because the other guy is just better than us , learn to play before hating on thieves AND sorry for my english im french

What: Thieves are expert in the shadow arts.
Why: It’s unfair that they’re experts and other classes are not.

What: Utilize stealth/shadowsteps to surprise and to get close to their target.
Why: It’s unfair that they can use stealth and shadowsteps while other classes can’t.

What: Agility, acrobatic fighting style, and the ability to steal to overcome their enemies.
Why: Other classes aren’t as nimble as thieves.

What: traps and venom.
Why: Why do they get to use traps and venoms and we don’t?

Maugetarr.6823:

Zero Day.2594:

Maugetarr.6823:

What: Vigor Access
Why : Thieves dodge too much in addition to their myriad of other defensive boons.

:D wait till after tomorrow!

Oops, did I get to real on this one?

:P No, just a sign that some of them are coming true…
Can’t wait until all of them come true .

Zacchary.6183:

What: Sword Auto
Why: BECUZ SWORD OHPEE

Pretty sure that’s who they’re balancing us around…

Maugetarr.6823:

What: Vigor Access
Why : Thieves dodge too much in addition to their myriad of other defensive boons.

:D wait till after tomorrow!

If you don’t care about sPvP so much….
Then the only thing that matters is which world you WvW for…
So pick the strongest/best for your need based on WvW….
PvE/Champ-trains you can always guest yourself, so don’t pick because of that.

@Sanduskel
Um, what happened to your sign under your messages, it was something about
“5 alts, all thieves” … ?

:/ Why do people want torches on thieves…
I want greatswords (katana/ninja like fighting), rifle(sniper like, long range)
:D but I can totally see them giving us the torches.

Warrior needs to have ALL the weapons…

Heta.8629:

Maybe we should wait until they release the blog post if what is coming in 2014 before deciding if it will be a big year. The blog post will likely be late this month or sometime next month.

(Probably going to get infracted)
Why would it matter what they write on there? I mean I would read it for fun but… I wouldn’t take it seriously :/ .
Collaborative development is somewhat a step in the right direction (again with it’s own many flaws)… At the same time they’re picking topics that they want to address… Basically, pessimistically thinking, they let us voice out our opinions on issues, lucky there was so many of us that some of us hit the issues that they wanted to address…

I’m sorry I kinda lost faith in them. My main class (thief) is considered OP, get’s nerfed every patch while there are literally broken skills (Dancing dagger, to name one easy one, it works randomly, really go try it) not being addressed and as a class is really just locked into doing 1-2 things (we’re not the greatest of supports) not as many as other classes can do. But that okay, I just re-rolled to warrior and guardian. Then there’s Ascended gear with it’s time gated b.s. …. Legendaries that still depend on RNG… Broken WvW queues, that are not queues but pick people randomly (good job!)… Living story that disappears 2 weeks later, I guess it’s my fault I don’t have a lot of time to play to get w/e pretty skin/achievement at the end…

As for other games…
Looking forward to Titan Fall (an FPS not an MMORPG)…
There will always be LoL :P …
D3 is in the same boat is this game, just MUCH SLOWER at doing anything….
BF4 is nice :P .
ESO, lost interest when I found it was sub based.
Everquest Next looks kinda cool, don’t know much about it.
The Division looks sick :P They should make more MMOs with futuristic theme (like Hellgate theme was nice, Fallout games… More futuristic (robots and kitten) RF:Online :P )
Blade & Soul… will that ever come out on this continent…?
I’m against sub fees, okay with buying one time…
Can’t say i will quit entirely gw2, i’ll probably play as much as i play now and that is:
log on, flip some items on TP, log off. (very very very faint hope of eventually getting enough to buy a precursor)
Maybe WvW if my guild re-starts… :P

Sanduskel.1850:

I did it in my head. you wouldn’t understand it!

Well kitten , I did it in my head too and it was flawless… where did you get stuck?

Astral Projections.7320:

Junkpile.7439:

You think that this is some kind of joke?

Those shoulder spikes!

“I’m home honey, here let me hug you.”
(Gives the wife a hug)
Ooooh eeereee errrrggggggg gllllgllkklllllll.

Oops.

It’s the anti-hug armor from gw1!!!

Gnat.9405:

I love how stressed out your dude looks

I think he’s just holding one in…

Eloquence.5207:

Thieves (or anyone else) won’t like it when their crutch is removed from the game.

Please suggest nerfs here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list

So… so…
Do you ladies wanna see some norn/human chests possibly some kilts ;D LOL
Or the grenth hood (I dont think there’s anything close to an executioner hoodie…) + full commando is good?

:P Only armor I can complain about is medium (male) trench-coats…
Oh actually, I think this might be relevant (imgur):
http://imgur.com/MMdocdc

(the issue this post is bringing up is a bit deeper and is on a larger scale (not just this game)…) :P
(took the curtsy of uploading the picture, for those that don’t like clicking on links….)

That’s called “balance”.

Sepreh.5924:

Julie Yann.5379:

Sepreh.5924:

Stealth is not a fun mechanic to play against. It never will be. It isn’t that it is op, it is just that it is not any fun for the person who doesn’t have stealth

I would be fine with it if every other class had some form of counter to it.

Yeah, agreed. Right now the counter is to spam skills in hopes of hitting them. That’s just not fun

If there comes out a way to counter, like force a reveal then they should give us prema-stealth without question (look at other games, WoW for instance).

Have you tried running in a straight line after the thief stealths? Possibly dodge rolling while running in a straight line? I mean the most common is the backstab that’s followed shortly after the thief stealths. Dropping AoE around yourself… Channeling a spell before they enter stealth (pretty sure the missiles fly towards them… could be wrong on this one.) Considering they went into stealth possibly to heal up, AoE damaging them would be a kitten, not to mention if that AoE re-applies a condition…
:/ Plus unless you’re running some glassy kitten (and/or up leveled) build you should be able to take a hit…

It isn’t fair that we don’t have 1200 range attacks…. or stuns out the kitten …. or clones … or 20 different skills for 1 weapon set…. or being melee while having second lowest armor and lowest health pool…. It isn’t fair that half the skills/traits are broken (Dancing dagger to name one, it’s random when and if it works/lands)… nor is it fun to play against those that do have these properties (hey look i just did what you did XD ).

Sanduskel.1850:

if you don’t know how to be invisible with stealth, you are doing something wrong. lol

:D It’s okay Sanduskel, I used to get invencible an invisible mixed up too when I was in elementary school. They’re kind of tricky words in english especially if it’s not your first language. But that’s why you can always count on others on the internet to correct your spelling mistakes. I definitely have to agree if you’re still visible in stealth then you’re doing something wrong, or you tried to stealth when you had revealed on.

Anyways, to the actual thread…

If anyone at any point wants to say that something about a thief should be nerfed, please feel free to do it on this post:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list
It’s a simple nerf wish list for thieves. Format is simple:
What: <The skill or the thing you want nerfed>
Why: <Your reasoning as to why it should be nerfed>

Dee Jay.2460:

Last Refuge NEEDS to be changed. ANet knows this and has for the past entire year. But they’d rather mess around with active and passive Initiative than fix a trait that is broken and results in the Thief’s death more often than not.

…

Working as intended.

SafiMoyo.5130:

As a female, it does bother me. Not enough to ask/want it removed, but enough so that I want…

1.) More choices for female human medium armor. You get one extreme or the other. There’s SO little in between that it barely exists.

2.)Important! Skimpy men armor. If guys get a piece of digital girl candy to stare at, why can’t girls get ours as well?

You can have your underboob, but let me have my undernuts as compensation

LOL
Awwwah shiiiet… xD hear that guys, we gotta go naked (why just the undernuts ), WvW full kittening commando….

PopeUrban.2578:

and some sort of rifle for thieves, so thieves have a real 1200 range option.

Kylah.7391:

Longbow and rifle for thief!!

To be nerfed 1-2 patches later to 900 range. xD

:D You re-roll a warrior, that’s how.
Seriously though, sPvP (not tPvP) wise, I’ve killed guardian with p/d condi bleeds… um their a bit of a pain but usually either I kill them because I can (and they suck) or because they give up trying to survive (long+boring fight). Sometimes I disengage and ditch them cuz it’s pointless…

SoulSin.5682:

Zero Day.2594:

o.O I can’t really understand why we can’t get venoms like in WoW…
Applied, lasts for an hour (not strikes), can coat a venom on each weapon (too much to ask).
:P If leeching venom would last an hour, I would probably use it with SoM, would be nice… It’s not going to be OP either since our armor and health sucks, even if we can life steal/leech a lot doesn’t mean they can’t hit us twice before we die….

Because that would mean we couldn’t use another Utility skill for 1 hour until the effect ends.

Your suggestions makes me remenber the day we could spam Skale Venosn (the item) on WvW.

I guess I should have said, make them F2-FX keys :P …..

CETheLucid.3964:

…
I suspect rangers and thieves will cry the loudest, even though even after eating the nerf, they’ll still be the best dodgers in the game.

Yup, crying already started for thieves. What class do you play? Do you understand why the thief HAS TO dodge?

g e o.2589:

Zanshin.5379:

I keep saying that they forgot what “fun” is.

I’m sure the last time I checked “Fun” meant an emotion mostly provided by grinding out achievements and gold to get that expensive skin from Gemstore.

Nailed it! prep to be infracted .

Dee Jay.2460:

Maesk.8753:

Dee Jay.2460:

I honestly don’t think the upcoming patch is going to be a nerf for Thieves.

It may change things up a little but not to the point of making currently popular builds completely unviable. I know this is against the popular opinion here but I don’t think people have quite grasped what the 1 Initiative/second actually means in real game-play (as opposed to crunching numbers on a spreadsheet).

I think you’re forgetting the vigor nerfs (quite large), the change to inf. strike (huge) and the change to infusion of shadow (good for some bad for some).

No I did not forget them. I just don’t think they will be quite as impactful as people here on the forums proclaim, especially in light of other class changes.

For example we may see less Warriors use the Hammer now, so the nerf to Infiltrator Strike might not be as significant. That one also happens to be the only change I find hard to justify.

Most people are (seem to be) annoyed (to say the least), that instead of buffing/fixing/changing skills to open up some new play styles (I would love to be able to contribute well in a zerg for WvW as a thief and not die faster than eles, we’re not the most supportive class either), they nerf us down to better it for other class (complaining about, say perma stealth as an obvious example) and hopefully open up(change to) new play styles.

What they’re doing with hammer warriors is nice, just they will still stun you out the kitten then swap weapons and kitten you.

o.O I can’t really understand why we can’t get venoms like in WoW…
Applied, lasts for an hour (not strikes), can coat a venom on each weapon (too much to ask).
:P If leeching venom would last an hour, I would probably use it with SoM, would be nice… It’s not going to be OP either since our armor and health sucks, even if we can life steal/leech a lot doesn’t mean they can’t hit us twice before we die….

WvW – Though my guild isn’t active…
TP flipping – It’s funny, I don’t have much gold (90g), but am able to generate without doing much xD.
Trying different champ train farms – though boring at times.

The first point (WvW) i actually used to do it for fun, till guild went inactive.
The last two points, all in hopes of one day building a legendary (faint hope).

XPGAMER.7324:

What: Their abillity to post on the forums
Why: Meh actually it doesn’t matter much. Anet doesn’t listen/care abt em anyways
…

Someone’s catching on here…

Viking Jorun.5413:

Auesis.7301:

Just experimented with it. It seems to:

- Get proper CD reduction with Quick Venoms
- Receive an additional attack with Residual Venom

But:

- Does not give Might with Venomous Strength
- Does not get additional damage and healing with Leeching Venoms
- Does not benefit from Venomous Aura

This was tested by changing the traits and comparing the additions to the code with existing Venom skills.

Ummm… So what’s the point of this skill again?

So we can’t say “But we didn’t get a healing skill”.
:D

Viking Jorun.5413:

Auesis.7301:

Here’s the in-game code: [&BxJVAAA=]

4 hits, 1.3k heal. kitten CD.

Joy. Not even as much as HiS and is on a 45 second CD. Because sustain.

I feel like i should add it to the nerf wish list….

heh, so I’m not the only one that sees this as an issue with ascended gear…
(not promoting build diversity)

stinkypants.8419:

So you mean, I could like, attack the air and get healed?

That’s OP.

;) that’s all you can attack next patch.

Burnfall.9573:

Big Tower.5423:

He probilary belives that ascended armor will make already op builds super OP and then they’l nerf the buiilds to justify. and he’s worried about that.

yes, you said it right. Thank You!

I’ve already made a post on the thief’s forums that requests nerfs (a Nerf Wish List).
If you want any nerfs for thieves, I invite you to write them there:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list

(Simple format,
What: <Skill/thing you want nerfed>
Why: <Reasoning, justification>
You can link to other posts and so on, feel free)

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Arikyali.5804:

caveman.5840:

its so sad there is a nerf wish list 4 the thief . u need a wish list telling u how to use your build against a thief lol thief’s r easy to kill if u do it right . the only class u should have trouble killing a thief with is like an element unless they r running a d/d regen element than the thief will have some trouble

You do realize this is just a joke thread, riiight?

(And please, use proper grammar and punctuation…I had to read your post 3-4 times to understand the gist of it.)

Not a joke, this is serious business. We can’t let a single game update without a Thief nerf…that would be an abomination!

This ^
Seriously, think about it… I think you WANT these changes…

Arganthium.5638:

caveman.5840:

its so sad there is a nerf wish list 4 the thief . u need a wish list telling u how to use your build against a thief lol thief’s r easy to kill if u do it right . the only class u should have trouble killing a thief with is like an element unless they r running a d/d regen element than the thief will have some trouble

Please read the post and the comments.

You know…
There’s a little degree of seriousness in these….
:) I will be so kittening happy if any of these nerfs go through…

Why?
Let’s just leave it at that it will be solid evidence.

caveman.5840:

its so sad there is a nerf wish list 4 the thief . u need a wish list telling u how to use your build against a thief lol thief’s r easy to kill if u do it right . the only class u should have trouble killing a thief with is like an element unless they r running a d/d regen element than the thief will have some trouble

You must be new to the thief forums where it’s normal to see other’s come and QQ asking for random nerfs…. hence I made this wish list for them, so they can at least be organized…

Let’s hope the dev’s actually read this and make these nerfs happen…

What: Backstab and HeartSeaker
Why: With the upcoming ascended gear, these skills will hit HARDER, they will do over 9000! Please nerf them in the Dec. 10 patch when you release ascended, there WILL be QQ’ing if you don’t.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Merged-and-now-ascended-gear-hits-Dec-10/page/5#post3315217

Elmo Benchwarmer.3025:

Zero Day.2594:

Elmo Benchwarmer.3025:

Just got hit by a 10k Backstab followed by a 9k Heartseaker on my 2.8k armour toon from a Thief wielding 2 legendary daggers. Now with even more power creep I can see how this is going to be a lot of fun. So much skill needs to be rewarded.

Enjoy.

if you wish to suggest a thief nerf, please do it here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/first#post3313984

You Sir/Lady should read posts carefully before posting.

Have a wonderful day!

Yeah and I can see how power creep will make people QQ harder from backstabs.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Probably just the 1. It is much to long a grind to want to start over and do it again for another character.

or a different build (yaya for promoting build diversity lol NOT)

Skugga.5298:

I see a…… Carrot on a stick o.O

Gives you more stats when you eat it! So it has vitamins and kitten in it.

Imagi.4561:

So, if I understand this correctly, it heals for the same amount as Withdraw overall, but it’s split into 5 small heals…and has a 45 second cooldown?

Wow
So venom
Such heal
Many interesting

Wow

That dog looks like a potato chip….

Elmo Benchwarmer.3025:

Just got hit by a 10k Backstab followed by a 9k Heartseaker on my 2.8k armour toon from a Thief wielding 2 legendary daggers. Now with even more power creep I can see how this is going to be a lot of fun. So much skill needs to be rewarded.

Enjoy.

if you wish to suggest a thief nerf, please do it here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/first#post3313984

at most one, most likely none, playing less and less everyday, mainly flipping things
It would be medium (thief) armor, so LW…
:P the forum is funny though