Guild Wars 2

I will quit this game if:
The VIP membership is purchasable with gems/money (and costs too much gold), subscription based, and gives priority to WvW queues.

If it’s sub-based… lol well one of your commercials or that pledge thing…. I guess it was for nothing.

Pretty sure the backstab build you would get (depending on how glassy you want)
full zerker gear to pvt/knight mix… depending on how glassy you want to get vs how “tanky” you want to be…
Top tier gear is Ascended right now (giving 5-12% increase in stats, not sure, because i rather no think about it) over Exotic which is second best.
Problem is Ascended is rather pain in the kitten to get unless you have lots of $$$.

Sir Kaboomski.1508:

caveman.5840:

it would be great if people though of ways to improve there class instead of nerfing the thief to the ground 24/7 think of something positive and grow than . something
negative just because u got killed . think what is missing from your class it is all ways the negatives don’t take from the game grow it+++++ .

I actually thought of this a few minutes ago haha.. we should create a thief buff thread where anyone can post ANY desired buff! Much like this thread… it should be nothing off limits! BRING ON THE BUFFS PEOPLE! IT’S TIME TO GIVE PEOPLE SOMETHING TO REALLY QQ ABOUT!

caveman.5840:

well i mean not just the thief … but all the other classes to !
but i like the idea of a buff list to go with the nerf list but it would give ANET a lil more to work with instead of just millions of negative feed back on one class

HHHHMmmmm a buff list… for a class that people want a nerf… that’s absurd!
See the buff list, is unrealistic in a sense that:
It’s limitless in possibilities, while the nerf list stops when the class is removed or nerfed into uselessness.
It’s wishful thinking, while the nerf list is also wishful thinking, but it’s more likely that the nerfs will be fufilled as to stop people from QQ’ing… they can’t be happy when they’re QQ’ing and the class is getting buffed, noooo.

But on a more serious note…
Yes a lot of the above nerfs are sarcastic/funny… but some are real requests, specifically, all the ones where i’ve stated that they were originally by someone else… meaning someone else came to this forum created a “QQ plz nerfz thiefz” thread about something they wanted to nerf. These requests happen at least once (if not more) a week. So to help the devs in keeping track of all the QQ’s and nerf requests while keeping the forums cleaner of them, this thread was created…
I don’t see a lot of people coming to these forums and requesting a buff… definately not from other classes that’s for sure… See, it’s easier to destroy then it is to create… as opposed to thinking “Why are thieves only using this one build” (could it be possibily because others are not as good due to…) they think “OMG SO MANY RUNS THIS MUST BE CUZ OP”… further more instead of thinking “How can I improve myself and counter something” or “Is it worth fighting it?”,they think “OMG TOOOOO OP NERFZ NEXT PATCH PLEZ” …
The sarcastic/funny ones, tells a bit about what state the thieve’s mindset is in… or what they ridicular when people ask for nerfs… or how they view the ones that come in and request these nerfs…
Even those that are sarcastic/funny are every bit true, because that’s they impression they get from others coming to QQ on these forums.

By all means go ahead create a Buff wish list… people will put kittens up there…

It seems when a thief attempts to survive it’s not fun for other classes/players…

Travlane.5948:

Zero Day.2594:

Travlane.5948:

Zero Day.2594:

k… gonna lay out some ground rules here guys…
If you have a SB and:
Evade once, you’re fine, you’re just using SB…
Evade twice, people will start to be suspicious of you…
God forbid you evade three times, you’re perma evading….
Anything more then three times you’re surely using the perma evade spec…

this is obviously sarcasmright?

Yes… yes it is…
sad part is though… i have a feeling that that’s how it’s actually going to be…

puts “sarcasm” at end. seroiusly i had a hard tie telling. anet will think ur serious.

for the rest of you guys. dont use sarcasm in here. unless its so apparent…well just dont use it lol. anet wont get it and think people actually want more nerfs.

See… that’s the problem. As opposed to them sitting down and thinking “Is anything broken”, “Is anything out of balance”, “If we listen to the community and nerf X how will that effect the class overall?”, “If we nerf X how will that effect the class with respect to other classes” and so on…
It shouldn’t start with… “Look there are threads about class X needing a nerf on skill Y, clearly we have to do it, let’s come up with something”.

Travlane.5948:

Zero Day.2594:

k… gonna lay out some ground rules here guys…
If you have a SB and:
Evade once, you’re fine, you’re just using SB…
Evade twice, people will start to be suspicious of you…
God forbid you evade three times, you’re perma evading….
Anything more then three times you’re surely using the perma evade spec…

this is obviously sarcasmright?

Yes… yes it is…
sad part is though… i have a feeling that that’s how it’s actually going to be…

k… gonna lay out some ground rules here guys…
If you have a SB and:
Evade once, you’re fine, you’re just using SB…
Evade twice, people will start to be suspicious of you…
God forbid you evade three times, you’re perma evading….
Anything more then three times you’re surely using the perma evade spec…

Gwalchgwn.1659:

^just imagine a group of 5 thieves perma evading inside an enemy keep… it’s even worse than perma stealth cause you actually see them this time.

ikr?
It’s like they’re taunting you by being visible and perma evading… Those fools must be listening to MC Hammer…

Mosharn.8357:

Travlane.5948:

i gotta say. bow does many things bot nothign really well.

900 range. pffft
cluster bomb. decent dmg …. but SLOOOOOOW
poison gass 4s of poison…. eh nice and usefull but nothing wow
trick shot. slow cast slow aftercast. slow flight. not heat seeking. low dmg/no effects
Infil arrow- used only as a get away ….even tho HS is much better.
disabling shot- cripple for a few secs + evade. the one shining thing about this weapon.

disabling shot is what really makes the short bow work. u will never see a thief use shortbow to kill somebody. it just doesnt happen. its usually brought out bc we are weak against bosses and zergs so we spread poison and bleeds.

doesnt deserve a nerf bc we can evade 4x in a row.

warriors get invuln , blocks and feel no pain etc….. i dont see the difference when we have to spam all our initiative for the same effect.

to keep you guys in check. imagine if warrior had to use 6 weapon attacks like 2 3 4 5 on weapon set 1 and skill 2 on weaponset 2 all for 3.5 seconds of evade/invuln.

would that be OP? no of course not. but people dont think like that. oh well. simple simple simple.

You can perma evade if you spec for it just like you can outheal and out live on warrior IF YOU SPEC FOR IT.
…

Ladies and gentlemen, there we have it, the perma evade spec!

Niels.5396:

so much hate o.o
…
People are really easy to jump the bandwagon about how bad thieves have been nerfed already so all we should see is buffs. I am just suggesting a change that may or may not turn out to be a nerf.

We, as a class, don’t exactly have a good record of getting buffs (or buffs that outweigh the nerf alongside it)…
We also have people on nearly daily basis complaining and possibly requesting nerfs…
There was but one person, in several months, that asked for a fix (a fix that wouldn’t be a nerf or a buff, but an actual fix)…
Yeah, you’re going to get hate when you ask for a nerf or a change that looks like a nerf…

ryan.6217:

yu know what? i was in SPvP yesterday and missed all my venom shots on a thief doing this to me XD i laughed! At first i was like “kitten kitten kitten kitten”, but then i was like, "hey it’s as if i had wasted my venom on a warrior blocking. accept when a warrior is done blocking he still has 4 more skills available… that thief had no more initiative… where is the OP?

Where is the OP?
It was a thief duh… so it’s OP… mainly because we have stealth…

(logically right?)

Excalibur.9748:

Ok so what do you guys think will happen to the thief if it got every single nerf listed in this topic?

Would it still be OP or what? Ya teef too strongk.

This is an ongoing topic… there is no end…
(Well the end is when the class gets removed from the game.)

But if it received all the nerfs above… it would be closer to what others consider “balanced”.

See the picture below…

Niels, I’ve added your nerf request to the Nerf Wish List. Mainly to keep a list of all the requested nerfs in one place for the devs ease and to keep the forums a bit cleaner from all the requests. Just thought ya should know.

(They really need to sticky that thread…)

Karolis.4261:

Now shortbow 3 is OP ? What else are you people gonna come up with ?

Take a look at the nerf wish list, specifically where I took (ctrl+f “Originally by”) ideas from other people’s threads. One interesting one was Choking Gas… (1st page on the list)

Splatter Paw.7238:

…
So i disagree, besides haven’t we eatin the bat of nerfs enough the last 6 months?

Nope, apparently not enough. Besides this class is still in the game and is able to do basic functions like moving around and jumping…

Tetsuyja.7805:

No. Why? The simple reason: While Dodging, u can’t deal dmg. Let them dodge endlessly. Bow #3 also do not much dmg. SB is balanced and ok.

So, to counter that… While we’re stealthed we can’t do damage either (though, we heal, and conditions still tick)… and as we all know stealth is OP. Both stealth and dodge can be used defensively to avoid attacks, and offensively to position yourself for an attack… difference is one is visible (and doesn’t heal, conditions still tick) and one is invisible… :| So yeah dodging alot is OP. We can almost say we permadodge as thieves.
NERF THIEF"S DODGE!

Originally by: Niels.5396
What: nerfs on the short bow
Why: it pains me to see people playing thief that evade endlessly. Spamming 3 on their short bows while dodging and auto attacking. … The short bow is the real evil here.
Suggestion: more nerfs on the short bow rather than more nerfs on the vigor uptime.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-nerf-3

Junkpile.7439:

Have maximum stats.

And he wins the thread!

1: What mode do you prefer

sPvP and WvW (hot join, haven’t done tPvP).

2: How long have you been a thieve?

Beta. Since the 2nd last one.

3: Compared to when you started, how long can you stay logged on to your thieve?

5-40 minutes. Used to for +3 hours. Now it’s as fast as I can get all the bid orders and put up all the items to sell.

4: If you started a thieve now, would it be as much fun as launch?

Yes and No.
Yes, if this was my first time playing the game, just learning this game and being oblivious of problems and other classes.
No, if I was just making a thief alt.

5 : Do you Agree with direction of the balance team?

No.

frans.8092:

You know, I get the impression that you two are pretty much in line with each other but expression styles got in the way.

;) I know… I didn’t add the “(sarcasm)” bit… Which resulted in slight trolling :P

It’s impressive though, a non-thief (or maybe it is his main, he said he plays mesmer), has come to this forums and asked for a fix for stealth (not the concept, but that one particular bug/annoyance…). True that it’s not only for thieves… but… it still effects thieves in a positive way…
You don’t see that often.

Though I did mean what I said about it having more success in other forums…

I think a lot of people haven’t read the one line the OP wrote after the title of the thread…

Axelwarrior.9084:

Zero Day.2594:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Zero Day.2594:

Working as intended, thief can die while entering and after entering stealth.

The unreasonable thief haters are not welcome here.
This issue is a problem for other classes as well, not just thieves. And as I mentioned, this happens to me very often on my mesmer.

Well kitten , for mesmers that must be a bug…

Right. When it happens on thieves it’s intended but for mesmers it’s a bug.
Go make some rage threads about thieves kicking your a** an get out of the serious topics, please.

Yup, exactly what I said!
See when a thief is able to remain in stealth for a decent amount of time and possibly chain stealths togather, it’s called perma stealth and needs a nerf… When a thief can reset fights, it’s unfair and needs a nerf… When a thief is able to do condition damage while in stealth (choking gas, https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Condition-Damage-and-Stealth/first#post3225311) it’s OP and requires a nerf… (even though mesmers have clones… that well.. do damage while the mesmer himself is stealthed).

So, clearly… when a thief is about to enter stealth or after and takes damage, that’s intended because we’re OP… However when it happens to a mesmer it’s clearly a bug…

This post could have had more success in the mesmer’s forum or in the bug forum to be honest… It might have even been fixed for you guys.

OP, you seem to only mention PvE…
At least for me, the problems with PvE only games, or also single player games are:
- Once a goal or a set of goals has been achieved there’s not much left to do. Whatever the goal might be (getting some ultimate weapon, getting a secret ending/character).
- If it’s say an RTS/MOBA game against bots, you can only raise your skill cap so high with just bots. Also at a certain point you will know exactly what the bots will do.
- Raids (referencing WoW) are just heavily mechanically and require slight awareness (don’t stand in red burning kitten/remember to hit the button). Only fun for me was learning/experiencing the fights the first few times… and thats it, onto achieving my goal.
- Overall, if you invest enough time, it will become easy to you… usually there’s some sort of cap on how hard a game is… eventually you will reach and exceed that cap.

The main remedy for the things above is finding friends to play with. WvW and WoW-raids are nice in these respect, find a guild, stick around and do stuff, listen to jokes and arguments on vent… so on…

If you want a challenge, if you want something relatively new every time, you need to play against other players. The reason is simple, every single person will function/do things differently than someone else. Although you might get bored from say sPvP because you played it too long (burned yourself out) or find it easy after a while (reaching a point where you can roughly predict other people’s actions (that’s on top of the basic stuff that keeps you alive)), you shouldn’t be bored or find it easy for a good while trying to learn how to PvP…

Saying that the game is easy because of so and so, simply means you reach some sort of a skill cap/barrier and are probably bored…

Sure!
They will give us burning …
At the expense of our survivability (nerf vigor a bit more, nerf stealth regen… ugh what else… take away some dodge skills from weapon sets…).
WORTH IT!

Burnfall.9573:

Sanduskel.1850:

Lol. As many of us have been saying…..easily done.

lol

And this is “How to dougie”:

The video doesn’t require you to log in to verify your age. There are some armors in this game that are close to her armor…

mrmadhaze.8706:

TheGuy.3568:

I never understand theses post. In 3 sentences or less wth are you asking for or about? What point are you trying to make?

THIS

I think what he’s (OP) trying to say is …:
If everyone plays the same build, that build will get nerfed.
So, find different builds.

Basically he’s like a prophet telling us that a kitten storm is coming if we don’t take heed.

:D I think that’s nice of him.

Thunderbrew.7034:

When will the days of “I lost to a class, I better post a nerf in the forums”
ever go away?

So long as at least two classes exist.

Thunderbrew.7034:

The flipside of your idea is “what could you have done different?”

Outrageous!! Clearly couldn’t do anything because other class OP!

Axelwarrior.9084:

Zero Day.2594:

Working as intended, thief can die while entering and after entering stealth.

The unreasonable thief haters are not welcome here.
This issue is a problem for other classes as well, not just thieves. And as I mentioned, this happens to me very often on my mesmer.

Well kitten , for mesmers that must be a bug…

Last time I did it (pre-dec 10), it worked, gave bags from lvl 30 to 80, 80 opened them scalled to 80…
:( now that it’s known i hope it doesnt get fixed….

Sanduskel.1850:

Docherty.8372:

Zero Day.2594:

Docherty.8372:

…
and the increased base initiative regen has only enabled a higher degree of stealth spam during combat.

?
lolowut
?

Yeah, by increasing the base intitiative regeneration by approximately 40% allows the Thief to enter stealth via Heartseeker/Clusterbomb more often – I’d estimate by about 40% – is there something about this you’re having difficulty understanding, with the mathematics?

I’m amazed that you actually edited that in there… seek help

As anet said, it was a MASSIVE buff. Some thieves just don’t know the class well enough to utilize it.

Well, I surrender, at first there was one, now there’s two…

Docherty.8372:

…
and the increased base initiative regen has only enabled a higher degree of stealth spam during combat.

?
lolowut
?

much regen
very spam
so stealth
wow

Originally by: Shrike.3154
What: dagger pistol perma stealth
Why: Don’t know about every other non thief out there, but these thieves that can solo a bunch of people and win, due to perma stealth is bull ****, so over fighting them, I just walk away now, as it takes to many resources to down just one of these pugs.
Perma stealth is extremely annoying, and needs to be stopped, there is serious balance issues when 1 toon cant take on 5 and win, class match ups should be even and balance better.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/nerf-the-dagger-pistol-perma-stealth-rubbish/first#post3450221

Man did you not scroll down the forums… and see the Nerf Wish List? That’s meant for threads like this….
Fear not I will add your post to it (in 5 minutes).

Btw perma-stealth exploit build (as some would explicitly call it), took a big hit on Dec 10.

Sanduskel.1850:

Zero Day.2594:

Man did you not scroll down the forums… and see the Nerf Wish List? That’s meant for threads like this….
Fear not I will add your post to it (in 5 minutes).

Btw perma-stealth exploit build (as some would explicitly call it), took a big hit on Dec 10.

Not really. With higher initiative regeneration rates, it’s easier now for me, lol.

Sorry, I can only post every 5 minutes… didn’t want to waste it on a reply like this…
Bro, we know your the best thief 2013 and will be in this year too. I personally nominated you and Burnfall for the best thieves in that “Who’s the best thief” thread.

Working as intended, thief can die while entering and after entering stealth.

Harper.4173:

Auesis.7301:

Zacchary.6183:

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

When I first heard about stealth in GW2 (I think it was long before Beta) it sounded more like this:

When you’re hit in stealth, you will be revealed for a short amount of time. Dots will reveal the stealthed character as long as he takes damage from it.

Wouldn’t this be a more interesting stealth-mechanic and more fun to 90% of the playerbase? What do you think?

You could very well have just said “delete thief” because this idea would make thieves a waste of coding.

This.

Unless you have a coherent, well-thought out plan to replace pretty much everything about the Thief profession to make it viable in WvW or sPvP without Stealth, including COMPLETE reworks to trait trees, utility skills and access to buffs and debuffs, changes to damage co-efficients and COUNTLESS other variables, then this is the dumbest thing I would ever see in any video game in my entire life, bar none (except maybe the whole thing about Master Chief blindly following 343 Guilty Spark and nearly destroying all life in the universe, or perhaps Team Plasma looking to stop pokemon battles by…battling with pokemon).

Thief, as a profession, would literally be a waste of space, time, effort and data. Even after my thousands of hours invested and legendaries acquired for my character, I would delete her on the spot and play a different game without ever looking back, and I would really hate to do that because I love this game.

Since we’re on the topic of making classes worthless, I’d be interested to hear any plans for Eles in sPvP. If this disaster of a thread bore any truth for any reason at any point in time, then we’d have perhaps one build left that would be mediocre at best. Eles don’t even have that at tournament level.

Assassins in GW1 worked very well without stealth.
That aside I believe the only balance needed is to give EVERY class a long-cooldown ability to reveal stealthed targets. Simple as that.

I like how people are mentioning the assassin from GW1… the one major thing they have in common is that they both got hit massive amounts of times by the nerf bat.

http://www.guildwars.com/support/gameupdates/

That’s not all of them, I remember Shadow Form was reworked/nerfed, from completely not taking damage to “5 damage reduction for each Assassin enchantment on you.”
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Shadow_Form
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Shadow_Form/Skill_history

Dustfinger.9510:

…
edit: and really, your burst build is no diffrent that that the thiefs. Should theives have to roll a ‘tank build’ just becasue you want to be the glass burst on the battlefield?

They should stand still and not attack because only I want to win and receive loot bags!
Why can’t Anet implement that when you’re near a thief you press F to loot and the thief dies/disappears/game exits. A serious feature that’s lacking in this game.

TheGuy.3568:

…
The reality of the situation is that thief as it is right now is not in a spot to be nerfed anymore than it already is.

Some people think otherwise… OP and the “Devourer venom needs a nerf” thread…
The class still exists, so it’s still possible to nerf it.

Not hyped the slightest.
I’m a bit hyped about Titan Fall (fps)… and well other mentioned MMO’s though I know they’re far away from being released….
I’m interested in where the CDI takes this game… outcome of that may keep me playing more…. Ugh and I would gamble to say that I’m interested in the next “balancing” patch…. :| but it’s sort of a gamble wanting that…. More interested in their current/next-steps as opposed to “something big is coming this year”.

Zelulose.8695:

ipan.4356:

The Steal itself is pure junk.

It doesn’t matter if you can trait it to make a worthless skill do something.

Every class mechanic can be traited.

It’s not the traits that are the problem, it’s the underlying mechanic that is completely worthless.

When traited it is extremely useful against any class. For example, A mesmer that is about to cast an izerker get interupted by steal. suddenly the mesmer is blinded and cant seem to find the thief. The mesmer has no time to react. Right after a steal that left him dazed the thief can now come out of stealth to apply conditions or backstab for damage in addition to the damage dealt from steel. It is very useful. Essentially the blind, daze, and stealth shut down the mesmer’s ability to cast phantasms. As for a warrior steal can work in a similar manner. If the warrior has stabability, it will still be blinded. If it cant be blinded or dazed you can stealth and will have received health while poisoning and dealing damage. Again very useful.

It should be noted that, technically, a thief has allot of profession mechanics which it traded for profession skills. It is the only class which changes skill 3 depending on different weapon combinations. It is the only class that gains an ability when stealthing. It is the only class with weapon skills that have no cool-down due to an initiative system. These profession mechanics add to steal. In short, steal is enough, and players should take the time to learn how to use it effectively instead of changing it.

As I’ve said previously.
Steal is enough because we have stealth…
(Found that one guy that I was being sarcastic about)

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

ANET had the solution to the DPS/rogue stealth issue. No stealth. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Assassin

They changed a lot of things skill wise in this game supposedly for “balance”, and then for some reason felt compelled to bring in a mechanic, stealth, that undoubtedly has caused the most balance problems in the history of all MMO type PvP.

Either they arrogantly assumed they could fix what no one else could, or worse, they knew full well the issues, and went with attracting the lolrogue demographic knowing what they were getting into.

Whatever. Assassin as implemented in GW1 was innovative and removed the stealth controversy. Thief is just another iteration of “everyrogue” with all the baggage attached.

A pretty big step backwards.

Funny thing about that…
Assassins got beaten by the nerf bat a lot as well, to the point were in AB’s they were pretty bad (not really assassin’s, since they would fail to take down the target unless they had some sort of hadicap). Either way… they got nerfed a lot, to what point is arbitrary…
A good example was the BoA build. Which was very valid for the assassin being an assassin.

The deep issue with thief stealth, assassins… the rogue archetype is: people want a fair fight.
:\ Though if you look up about thieves, assassins, rogues, ninjas and whatnot… their ways are not exactly fair or orthodox in warfare/combat….

Funny there’s a thread on the thief’s forum right now, saying devour venom is OP…

Currently it’s (Ascended armor/weapons and their mat requirements) meant to do this:
http://imgur.com/pAiF9Rk
A little more high-tech from your standard carrot on a stick… but I think it fits more in this day and age.

I, would like to inform you, The Game Slayer.7632, that your post has been added to the nerf wish list. This is to keep the forums cleaner of various nerf requests that are made and to help the developers see a list of all the needed nerfs that has been requested by the community. I have read your post carefully, and even included a new suggestion section in the list.

:D Have a good day.

Originally by: The Game Slayer.7632

What: Devourer venom
Why: I can put 9s of immob on a target with this skill… That is ridiculous… and no one can cleanse it since i stack it with other venoms and about 6 other condis pop up with immob. Then the best part is is that when 9s runs comes close to running out, ill just spam body shot. (lol)
Suggestion: Remove immob completely and give it burning with cripple, or something like that. Maybe confusion, just hell, not immob. Its way too strong.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Devourer-venom-needs-a-nerf

Originally by: klemen.8439
What: heartseeker
Why:They’re all playing dagger/pistol and all they do through out all fights is push 5 and then spam 2 (smokefield → heartseak spam). The combo is really a no skill, annoyance to other players and kinda OP towards most light classes (necro DS insta kill, ele insta kill).
Suggestion: Making heartseeker require like 2 more initiative so that a thief would be unable to spam it like 4 times in a row.Switching dancing dagger (Skill n°4 on dagger) with heartseeker would not only make dancing dagger being used more (due to it being the second skill) but would also fix the perma-stealth issue that’s been bothering a lot of WvW players.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Too-many-bad-thieves

Originally by: Elxdark.9702
What: 5 and 2
Why: I only press 5 and 2 and I can kill anything.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Too-many-bad-thieves/first#post3445843

:\ Man, and I created the nerf wish list for these kind of threads…
Fear not! I will add your idea to it (in 5 minutes…).

D/P was already nerfed on Dec. 10, which they mainly touched on init regen from re-entering stealth. This time they should increase init costs.

Kaizer.7135:

Dawdler.8521:

Your second argument is rather funny. Out of initiative, lol… Yes, then you stealth and have all of it back before even dropping out of stealth. There is a reason you can perma stealth. Its the initiative system that break the stealth system to begin with – no cooldowns, few limitations.

>Person complaining about Thief mechanics
>Doesn’t even know how they work

>Wins the argument
>Thieves get nerfs

Not sure if you’re following in general forums:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/stealth-wasn-t-it-planned-differently/

Apparently we can still perma-stealth….
Maybe I’m being picky with the words… but can it be renamed to chain-stealthing…..

Steal is enough because we have stealth.
/thread

(sarcasm…)
Also, could be better, but not fully complaining…

Dawdler.8521:

…
Your second argument is rather funny. Out of initiative, lol… Yes, then you stealth and have all of it back before even dropping out of stealth. There is a reason you can perma stealth. Its the initiative system that break the stealth system to begin with – no cooldowns, few limitations.
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Um… wasn’t perma-stealthing not nerfed last patch…? Am I missing something…?
Or was it that they interpreted it wrong, nerfed the thieves, but people still want what they’ve been originally asking for (incoming another nerf) but were misinterpreted.

But… But… we have steal, which clearly is more than attunements… and.. and… we have stealth! STEALTH!!!! STLEAHT!!!
SLTEAHT!!
STLEATH!!!
STEALTHJ!!!
STEALTH>EVERYTHING IN THE GAME

ugh, good luck with the lock play style… people will QQ so hard it will probably do close to no damage, and easy to interrupt/dodge stuns.

oh yeah, gloom and doom…

:)
This thread looks ever so promising to the demise(and/or the removal) of thieves (some of the ideas)… Can’t wait until they actually go through with your guys ideas… That would bring us closer to something a lot more fun. >:)__

Also, forgot to advertise… (I feel it’s appropriate here)
If you wish to suggest any thief based nerfs, please do so at the following post:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/first