Guild Wars 2

Ascended gear scaling is very much broken for a certain subset of players. Condition users (surprise!)

I don’t know if Anet is trying to forcibly remove condition specs or what, but the discrimination has now further increased with ascended weapons.

Ascended weapons as we know gain 5% more stats as well as increased weapon damage.
This is great for power users. Power scales linearly as does weapon damage. More power = more damage. More weapon damage = more damage. They also get increased crit chance which increases their damage further. The exact interplay between these stats is complicated and the overall increase in dps is somewhere between 5-15% depending on who you ask. We will assume the bare minimum of a 5% dps increase.

Now we look at condition users… they gain the same 5% stat increase and the weapon damage increase. Weapon damage is useless for condition specs, my scepter hits for a smashing 250 dmg so yes I do gain a 5% increase in that but it doesn’t make up hardly any of my dps. Most of my DPS comes from damaging conditions. Bleed, Burn, Poison, Confusion, and Torment.

The problem is introduced when we realize these conditions only tick rounded numbers at a fast rate. To gain 1 extra bleed dmg tick you need 20 condition damage at lvl 80. This means if my bleed ticks for 130 dmg, adding 20 condition damage will make it tick for 131 dmg. Adding 19 condition damage however will still make it tick for 130.

If we look at ascended weapons now we can see the problem. they only offer +4 condition damage, and you can gain a potential +5 more from the infusion. This means total if I craft an ascended main-hand, an ascended off-hand, and infuse both of them I will gain a total of +18 condition damage which gives me exactly a 0% increase in damage.

It doesn’t matter how many stacks I put on, or how much skill I have, or how much extra crit I have or how long my condition duration is, getting full ascended weapons does not increase my condition damage (roughly 90% of my dps) by a single point.

TLDR: Power users gain somewhere between 3-15% extra DPS from ascended gear. Conditions users gain significantly less. Please increase the condition damage on ascended gear to bring the dps increase inline with power users.

Worth it to me personally because I have nothing better to do.

Worth it from a stat perspective, no. As an Anet ignored and hated condition spec the scaling of ascended gear is completely borked for condition specs.

Power specs gain a direct 5% power and thus dmg increase, and a 5% weapon dmg thus dmg increase, plus harder hitting and more often crits.

Condition specs gain more health or toughness, that is it. The scaling on condition damage rounds to whole numbers so we need 20 extra stat points to get ANY change in our damage. this means even getting both main and offhand weapons plus using condition dmg infusions does not gain us a single point in damage since it only give +18 which is meaningless since we need +20 to see any difference.

So if you are a power user then yes it is worth it since you will see a dmg increase. If you are a forgotten condition user then no it is not worth it.

Wait… you can target things when not in a group?!?!?!

How????

Solution is easy. if you want to win you need to pay. Hit O→ Buy Infinite coin, TM becomes EZ mode you can just die your way through it slowly.

MrRuin.9740:

Time is a much smaller factor to me than the method to obtain. Using your example of hours 100-250 would be fine if it was fun, engaging content. 100-250 hours gathering mats via repetitive farming to craft is not to me.

You need to do dungeons, world events, jumping puzzles, WvW, open world exploring to find chests, mini-dungeons, and crafting to get top tier gear…

if you find none of those things engaging and fun content then why in the world are you playing the game? That IS the game…

1. HELLL NO- instant uninstall if this happens

2. That’s fine. Already in the game but fine.

3. Also already in the game in a very very limited capacity, but also fine.

Personally I’m holding out hope that the new legendary scepter will be worth using and will be getting that. Therefore i’m getting the dagger first and then staff. Skipping scepter altogether and going for the legendary one.

I had a key drop yesterday and the box it opened contained a scrap, so they are still dropping since the patch.

I’ve read over the patch notes 5 times now and I don’t see any TM nerfs to 2-2 or to any TM mode stuff at all actually… the only thing that mentions trib mode is:

Two Tribulation mode checkpoints have been added to World 2-1.

Can you please point out these mystical TM mode nerfs you are referring to?

Wow I have never seen so many completely false statements in a single thread… has anyone here actually installed the game and played it before?

1. The weapons themselves take approximately 60g to make if you don’t gather anything yourself. If you gather it all yourself or use buy orders it is closer to 40g.

2. 200g is if you power level 400-500 using the fastest possible method. You can do it for free if you gather your own mats, and you can do it for <100g if you sell back your legendary weapons at sell prices after you craft them. Use refining and discover exotics using the mats you refine to get to 450 then take your time and get to 475 using only ascended items.

3. 6 pieces of armor means 6x the cost to level… really… really really….

Buttercup.5871:

Don’t discount the skillpoint exploit. Started plummeting much more after that.

combined with the elonian wine bug you would’ve had to be really dumb to convert during that time unless you had stockpiled wine for some bizarre reason.

oZii.2864:

Aberrant.6749:

This wouldn’t happen if there was a public test realm (as well as it would solve other issues).

Just sayin’…

What? No it wouldn’t it would make the problem worse. PTR wouldn’t stop people from making money from changes it would make them more money.

I think the idea is get rid of the inhouse people and announce all the changes publically for everyone at the same time on the public server. This puts everyone on an even playing field.

5 years ago this would have been so obviously P2W that the game would have lost 90% of its playerbase and had to shut down.

Today as we can see no one cares. People like spending money to unlock things and make things easier, they will rationalize anything you can throw at them. If they added a weapon in the gem shop that instant killed every boss in the game people would just say “oh it’s not P2W, you can beat the bosses without it” or “what are you winning noob?”

Everyone knows it is P2W but no one will come out and say it, they will just continuously change their definition of P2W until they can rationalize the fact that they bought it.

I fail to see the problem. 1 million karma is nothing. They never should have added karma at all to dailies. There was no karma daily reward at launch and people still got legendary weapons within 2 months. Go run events. The karma piles up fast. Use a karma infusion and karma food with a guild banner and a guild buff and a karma boost. 500+ karma per event.

People made such a big deal about the crafting exploit… oh no skill points… does anyone NOT have 1k+ skill points since the champ patch? I mean if you are in the business of turning SP’s into money then you should be out farming champs, not crafting.

Though in reality you shouldn’t be spending them at all. Once horizontal progression hits in a few months you will probably need 500+ SP’s.

Welcome to RPG’s, enjoy your stay.

They stopped banning people when they realized that 99% of their playerbase was exploiting and they still needed to make money somehow. Now it is basically race to the loophole or be miserably poor.

until you have completed trib mode with 1 life and no continue coins I don’t think you should comment on not have enough difficult content.

You can currently get a total of 6 infusions for an extra 30 condition dmg. Not too bad, but I suspect not nearly as good as +30 power is for power builds.

I had some weird flower related deaths I noticed. I would die seemingly randomly until I noticed that a flower in the far corner of my screen would go poof occasionally. I’m not sure if it is a lag thing or a positioning thing or what. But these were flowers I was no where near, and ones I was standing closer to didn’t go poof and kill me.

Anyone can speculate. There is no restriction or license or degree you need to do it. I guess I qualify as a speculator since I was smart enough to buy my mats before everyone else and sell the excess? I’m certainly not wealthy with my 500g. Here is a hint. Look at the blog of things they are changing, see the pattern and buy some mats now. you can make the same % profit as everyone else no matter how much gold you start with. Do this enough times and you will have a decent amount of money.

Vol.5241:

tolunart.2095:

Thick leather, elder wood and mithril are used in the creation of T7 mats, eventually ascended armor will be introduced and silk will be needed. It looks like someone is speculating that the scraps they buy at min price today will be worth something tomorrow.

^ this

I’ve been hoarding gossamer scraps. Got about 300g worth. Hoping it’ll rise to +7-10s

That seems like a pessimistic estimate to me. You need far more gossamer for crafting light armor then you need logs and ori for making weapons. I’m hoping for 15s at least. I also wouldn’t be surprised if silk went up to 20c-30c.

I should have stocked up on gossamer last week, the price has already doubled once.

aeneq.1760:

Ok, 30 days was a bit longer than I was envisioning but if we set a limit of <=25s in a months time then Im good with that bet.

Its true that the price went down after the patch, but im fairly certain thats related to people stockpiling for the patch so supply got flooded. As the big champion farming is reduced (temples isnt comparable) the flood of ecto-items to market is lower.

Looking over the last few days there is a slow but steady increase in ecto price and I believe it will continue up.

Btw, im not making the bet just to be aggressive I just thought it would be fun. its not like I need the gold atm…

edit: I am assuming correctly that you meant patches/interviews etc that would provide an effect on Ecto market? If you just meant any interview/patch etc. then ofcourse that wont happen but if you meant that then just say that you didnt want to bet

I meant any patch. I don’t know of a single patch since launch that didn’t effect ecto prices in some way or another. They either increase the price or decrease the price. It is a constant cycle. I know for a fact that the next patch will decrease ecto prices. Not sure by how much, but linking boss events in overflows and the revamped teq with extra rewards will both lead to more rares, and the lfg tool will lead to more groups which leads to more dungeon runs which leads to more tokens which leads to more rares.

Answer: Warriors use GS’s.

If you can screw over other classes and help warriors then you will probably be promoted at Anet.

As another note we were told that they are working on GW2 raids with a twist… but that was almost 6 months ago and we have heard nothing about it. Not sure when or if it will happen, but it did come up at one point.

Rennoko.5731:

Most skills (practically all of them) have a direct damage component that goes along with the condition that they cause secondary. Now… you get way less in a condition build because you don’t have the power/crit damage (in rabid/dire) to support that direct damage component, but it still adds in something. I plan to test this quite a bit to find out the real difference to a condition user (say on scepter 1).

I’d be very interested in that comparison. I may finally bite the bullet and look at a power build, or at least a hybrid build since it looks like Anet is only making the disparity between conditions and power larger instead of smaller.

I’m confused… how is a “luck” booster in any way different than MF?

aeneq.1760:

Zudet, Surbrus if we are going forward with the bet then we need to set a few rules to judge the result in the end. Let me know if anyone of you are willing to continue otherwise just ignore it.

If I knew exactly when they would drop up and down i’d be on the TP buying and selling, not on the forums making bets.

If I had to guess I’d say they drop down within a month. Of course that is void of any other changes. If Anet releases a patch that indirectly or directly effects ectos then it could completely change again. Or if they do an interview and mention something that has anything to do with ectos then it will change again.

So given that Anet does no interviews, no patches and there are no new discoveries in the next 30 days then I bet 100g that ectos will drop by at least 10s from their peak. If any of those things do happen then the bet is void since it alters the rules.

Interestingly enough, etcos are already down ~4s from their peak.

So basically you bought the P2W item and it let you win… SURPRISE!

I find the mode fun and challenging, but complaining about how easy it is after having to buy a P2W item to do it is kind of silly imo.

What does the flute do? Does it have to do with the mystery owls?

edit…

nvm I found it

First off they did nerf the event after about 3 days. Since that nerf you can only reasonably get about 40 boxes.

40 boxes in an hour is a pretty sad farm. Combined with the other loot you get makes it an average farm worth about 6g/hr. That is pretty much on par with world events, daily dungeon runs and other champ farms.

There really isn’t anything unbalanced about it, it is just slightly more fun than the other farms.

aeneq.1760:

But as can be seen on spidy that buffer will eventually erode due to the insame amount of luck needed as well as ascended weapons. Mark my words Ecto will steadily increase over the coming weeks…

huh? supply has been depleted due to this last month of ecto free farming. now supply is skyrocketing. Prices are going to plummet not go up… I’d bet 100g on it.

Ectos are being used at a massive rate to craft to 500, but the actual weapons use almost no ectos.

I’ve seen the new inscriptions on the TP, such as Dire and Rabid, but how do you get these? where can I get the recipe?

So I was looking at the stat increase between exotics and ascended weapons and it looks like it isn’t worth it at all.

Like literally it won’t increase my damage by even 1pt.

ascended weapons gain a show stopping 4 condition damage? this won’t make my bleed tick for even a single point more.

power increase no matter how small is good for direct damage, but 4 condition damage seems utterly worthless to me since we are limited to 20 point increments.

The scaling just seems horribly off on condition damage to me. a 5% increase in power translates to 5% more damage for direct damage specs, but a 5% increase in condition damage gives me 0% more damage.

Am I missing something here?

If you guys spent half as much time grinding as you did complaining in this thread you’d all have an ascended weapon already.

The only “grind” is that you need to do world events, kill champs, and run dungeons… the horror… playing the game… how could they…

The question is how does this tie into the story? Or have the devs completely abandoned the whole story thing at this point after the failure that was scarlet?

It is supposed to be a long term goal. If everyone was able to get 300% MF in the first week the economy would be in shambles by next month.

No one does balth because it is bugged to be near impossible.

They changed moral to go down on health drop instead of death, but forgot to make the balth NPC’s rezzable like the other places they applied this change.

Additionally the risen vets that do the AOE circle are bugged and apply 8 stacks of the circle at once instead of 1. This causes the event to instantly fail if you have too many people there.

T7 mats will almost certainly be part of precursor crafting whenever Anet gets around to it. I would hold onto them if you are making a legendary.

Also the new legendary weapons and trinkets coming out this year may use them as well.

Condition damage is so horribly broken in PvE it is laughable, the only thing that makes it even worse is that after 12 months the devs have yet to make a single improvement to the situation and have only made it worse by adding a new tier of gear.

The crap… I expected 3-4s…. 16s… WOW

I should have sold my supply instead of using it at that price… have people gone insane?

TexRob.5183:

Infernia.9847:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

There is a thread on Reddit that extrapolated the amount you needed to get from 20% to 300%. It isn’t certain to be correct, but based on what we know so far it will take 4.19 million luck to hit 300%

This is the worst case scenario. If the increase levels off after a while it may take much less.

Nothing for someone with a little bit of gold. They could do it in a day. Though I think playing the game with finger nubs after all that clicking, may not be terribly fun.

For me it will be a long time to see a decent percentage. Not sure I’m up for all that, motivation is waning.
Thx for the info just the same

Posts like this crack me up. It’s been less than 24 hours since the patch?!?! People are at 100% or higher already! Sure it won’t happen this week, but I guarantee you someone will be 300% within a month or two. This is supposed to be a very high cap that is account wide, that takes time to get to. If you were expecting everyone to be at 300% in a week, what’s the point?

The point is to get rid of the green and blue items flooding the market, and give a longer lasting source for these items for the casual player. Casual players will stop dumping them onto the TP since they will need them, and hardcore players will quickly consume the overstocked TP supply.

Sure some super hardcore people will get 300% in a month, but even I am only at 60% and I salvaged about 600 items already.

level artificer to 75… use crafting recipe to turn stack of 250 into equivalent number of exotic essences… profit.

There is a thread on Reddit that extrapolated the amount you needed to get from 20% to 300%. It isn’t certain to be correct, but based on what we know so far it will take 4.19 million luck to hit 300%

This is the worst case scenario. If the increase levels off after a while it may take much less.

the coin is P2W, pure and simple. Anyone arguing against that is just blinded by their love for SAB. It really doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks. I think it crosses the line into P2W territory, and until they remove it I will discontinue my financial support of the game and only buy gemstore items through in-game gold, end of story.

I may be inclined to side on the convenience side if this wasn’t time limited content and they didn’t nerf to hell all the legitimate ways of getting continue coins. But the fact is the only reasonable way for the average player to win this content is through the use of this gemstore item. That is pure P2W.

Having to add multiple qualifiers onto your definition of P2W to make this item fall into the convenience category is just sad.

Risen thralls don’t evade while attacking, they don’t have a 1s KB on a 1s CD, They don’t have the hitbox of a gnat, they don’t have to be fought on giant cliffs of instant death and they don’t make you smash your mouse into little pieces…

but yes they will almost certainly be the #1 player killer for the next 2 weeks.

They aren’t soulbound, they are accountbound.

/thread

Sounds like these mats are actually worth farming now… maybe go farm them? I beleive there are 10 nodes available to you of both resources every 24 hours. At a minimum that is 30 ore and 30 wood per character per day.

Delvoire.8930:

Charming Rogue.8071:

Vol.5241:

Infinite coin is a convenience item. It’s just as “Pay2Win” as infinite gathering tools.

I’m thinking you just want everything handed to you and all those achievements unlocked the moment you step into SAB.

Actually, with all the bullkitten ways you can die in Tribulation mode. (None that require skill, but have more to do with knowing the stage, e.g. hidden lava pits, spikes, etc). An infinite continue coin is kinda a necessity, and not a convenience item.

But you get no advantage at all for winning. You get baubles…and a weapon skin.

There is no advantage. You’re not winning anything of value. This is just a QQ thread.

Please stop trolling. This thread is about P2W not P2A.

You clearly need this item to have a reasonable chance at WINNING trib mode. Therefore it it PAY 2 WIN. No one is talking about your Pay to Advantage.