thief’s spec daredevil looks the most exciting for me
lol I almost smell a law suit from marvel
why would they sue them when they used the name the same way anet has done
I may be wrong but aint stronghold supposed to be the GvG mode ? Aint the arena’s just for duels between guild members ? I have not seen the trailer you are refering to so I might be wrong
I did burst in laugh so hard, that i spit my drink all over my monitor ^^ROFL
NO lol, to clustered, and there is really no point doing GvG there.
No need to laugh at him. Your made up GvG mode where 15 – 20 people spam skills on each other is not the GvG that many people have asked for. Stronghold is the closest thing to that if you ask me.
The guild hall arena is for your made up GvG matches so you can freely spam skills on each other and claim victory..
All the nike players are upset that they can’t run ooc to reset health during an arena fight.
Sorry who’s nike? And how does one reset fight within 15v15 ? How does that work out
Nike is a shoe. 90% of players wear them and run ooc when they get below 50% health because they think if they die in a game they might actually die IRL.
Let’s note that Mr. O’Brien relayed a message from the artist that designed the outfit that it was “a work of love.” She worked very hard to make something nice for us, knowing it would not be paid for by any of us. I don’t think she’s soulless, or wants consumer satisfaction reports.
So, Madam Artist: Thank you for the lovely gift! It dyes very nicely and is full of solid attention to detail. All the parts look good together, you paid attention to racial needs of ears and tails and horns, go you!
I wrote the same exact thing you wrote but you posted it first LOL jk but agree 100%
All the nike players are upset that they can’t run ooc to reset health during an arena fight.
Here is to hoping that they fix Dragons Tooth before the launch of the expansion after Heart of Thorns!
Its not bugged, the ability doesn’t require line of sight, it just requires you to be able to target a person or object.
Dragons Tooth should be checked by Line of sight. Dragons Tooth or any other skill from players for that matter should go off on a player that is “safe” behind their walls, out of Line of sight. Be it a bug or an exploit, it should be looked into.
I posted these in one of the past AC threads that got locked but the wonderful wvw community basically told me it was a l2p issue I was having..
People that are toxic to new players have probably been toxic to players in the past.. Its in their blood.
Not criticizing f2p “players” who are actually playing…if you read my OP you’ll see I clearly stated that. My point is that it is now that much easier for goldsellers to create free throwaway accounts that they then use to send their spam whispers. Until yesterday, I could count on the fingers of one hand how many spam whispers I’ve gotten since GW2 release. In the space of 15 minutes I got two yesterday. Draw your own conclusions.
Yet with the restrictions on new accounts they cannot “spam” whispers.. Nice try though. Also go stand in the pvp lobby and tell me you do not get gold seller whispers.. That is where most of gold seller whispers come from for me.
I explain the problem many of us have with F2P here
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/IGN-Tweet-Core-Game-F2P-what-does-this-mean-unconfirmed/5427635We aren’t haters. We love the game and we’ve seen how much damage F2P can wreak on a game and its community. I am encouraged by the restrictions placed on the free accounts, but my points still stand.
I’m a long time player, and FTP is amazing for this game, this game is about player numbers and community, now maps should be more filled.
Yeah with bots. They will rush to lvl 80 and then take part at silverwaste or champtrain farm.
Ohh like normal players already do not farm sw or do champ trains? Please stop thinking every new player will just become a farm bot.
Sorry, but there’s nothing at all wrong with someone not wanting newbs with them.
Thing is when raids are “new” aren’t we all “newbies” to them?
Hmm well since buffs are limited to 5 players which 5 of the 10 in your raid group gets those buffs?
Edit: Doh I need to read more. Post above me said same thing but better.
Wait a minute guys.. Most WvW players say EoTM is not wvw.. Now you want new players first experience of WvW is to be EoTM? Come on guys that is like telling them that EoTM is WvW and we all know it isn’t..
hehe
- For players who play for free, the full game is pay-to-win.
- WvW is toast.
- Buy HoT now… core game included for free! That was really disingenuous.
How is wvw toast? Don’t tell me you are one of those players that thinks every f2p account will be used as a wvw spy, only used to harass other players and also only be used ruin the economy.
I wvw a lot and if some spy wants to send a zerg my way when I command I say let them. More bags for me.
Bot Farmers.
If you watched the stream they said they have been beefing up their bot detection technology. Now if you believe them or not that is up to you.
I assume you’re not in the IT field, but these technologies improve on both sides at the same time. When they beef up their bot-detection softwares, at the same time the ones who write bot programs can do the same and write code that will bypass the detectors’ improvements.
Now, with a subscription\purchase system, using a bot to actually test these improvements is dangerous an could cost an account. That’s why generally people who goldsell and do that stuff will hack another user’s credentials.
With this Free system it becomes more convenient for the botters to test their products using one of these free accounts, the programmers can check how long their products can cheat the system and act accordly, allowing them to actually ‘field test’ their stuff. (Bots follows patterns and bot dectectors I guess will examine such patterns.) Even if the botters won’t write improvements, they can just let their bot running and then upgrade the accounts that ‘survive’ for $10 and make money out of it.
Also, I don’t think the detectors programs can keep whole servers under surveillance 100% of the time, it would be a massive use of resources and consequent lag.
It’s not about trusting or not trusting them, it’s about knowing how things go in this specific field.
Just cause you think I’m a kid doesn’t mean I don’t know how things work. I even did some programming back in the good old days of AoL. I actually worked with computers/networking for over 13 years. Every game has botter’s but it has to do with the company stopping them.. Have I ever seen a bot in this game? No not personally so in a way I feel they have done a good job so far. Other games you can spot the bots right away pretty much.
I’m pretty sure they will try and be one step ahead of the bots.
Bot Farmers.
If you watched the stream they said they have been beefing up their bot detection technology. Now if you believe them or not that is up to you.
@briggah.7910: Then don’t bother, it’s alrighty anyway.
Alrighty? Who you think you are? Ace Ventura?
To the quitters, can I have your gold please?
Nobody is quitting.. They are all just full of hot air.
You sure about this, right?
Why would you quit when you can now play for free? bahahaha so many grumpy people in this game
Because, even if for free, I wouldn’t desire to play a game I consider unappealing and\or unfairly expensive for what it has to offer. Even if I can play for free, why I need to spend time in-game if that time wont bring me any enjoyement?
It’s not just me, there are many other people I know that feel the same and we all ended up uninstalling the game to make space on our HDDs. I could even give you more detailed reasons about mine, and others, discontent about the game. But it would be wasted on someone whom sensibilities allow him to disregard others’ opinions by cheesy statements.
The forum may be full of grumpy people in your eyes, in mine it’s better to look grumpy than to look that cheap thing of being whom believes that a cheesy phrase and him believing to be cool would entitle him everyone’s attentions and admiration.
Well since you uninstalled the game already there is no need to keep coming here to the forums to spread your negative out look on things.
As an owner of a paid account, and believing that my feedback could reach other like minded voices so to be heard better by ANet, I think I have every right to come to the forums and express my opinion. As negative as it may be, but I understand than some minds can’t accept life isn’t not just fancy and nice, there are also negative things.
So, since you’re evidently one of such minds, there is no need for you to address me anymore.
So what positive feedback have you supplied since you quit this game? I’d guess ZERO, ZIP, NOTTA.
Also you are not my Dad. You can’t tell me who to address.
First: I have provided no positive feedbacks because, from my point of view, there’s nothing to be positive about. ANet is completely ignoring the Veteran Players to lure more newcomers to purchase the game. Yet to those Veteran Players has been asked to display their love for a game that doesn’t love them back and to purchase the Expansion for an insanely high price considering the content. I can’t be positive about this, I don’t feel I should be positive about this, I’m not the only one feeling like this.
Second: I suppose your father has raised you poorly then, if you are not aware\able to understand that older and more mature people could find your insistence bothersome. If you’re unable to realize when somone says you that there’s nothing more worth to be said between you and the aforementioned someone, then I’m sorry for your parent.
Whoa them fighting words if you ever talk about my parents again.. How mature must you be to call my parents out for some trolling that I’m doing on some forums to some player that claims he quit yet hangs around these forums like this game is his life.. If you quit move the efff on is all I’m saying..
I’m not calling them out, but in the end our personalities and actions are shaped by the ones who raised us, once again I feel sincerely bad for your parents. Wonder if they can see how you’re sunking low now, making assumptions, deciding that ‘giving a not positive feedback’ equates to ‘hang around these forums like this game is his life’.
But again, I understand it’s not totally your fault, so I can’t really be too angry at you.
Age and other factors may be an issue in a convo between people with different grades of maturity.Just cause you use big words doesn’t make you better than me. Seriously though leave my parents out of this.. Trolling forums has nothing to do with them. I’m trolling you and you keep feeding me more and more..
I don’t feel trolled, again I just see a kid that’s putting to shame his parents.
Again, you have two ways to keep up this. First is you keep trolling me, something you openly admitted, something that should incur into ANet’s sanctions. (And will keep showing up a degree of childish-ness whom should give an hint on how you’ve been raised without care for how you look.)
OR
You can leave at it, ignore my posts if you wish, maybe save that little of face your raising can keep.
Keep mentioning my parents when I asked you to leave them out of this.. So mature of you.. All you doing is throwing lame momma jokes at me but in a nicer way
Sorry, but I feel to rectify this:
I’m not making, and have no intention at all, of making fun of your parents at all. You started involving your parents, saying I’m not your father (Thanks to whatever supernal entity exists in the universe for this, I doubt I could’ve lived with having to raise you properly giving your current attitude.) and I just pointed out that I felt bad for him.
You’ll have to understand that in some cultures family is very important, and it’s normal to assume that a child’s action are indicative of how his parents (Often even his own household as well.) has raised him.
You, also, have admitted you’re trying to troll me and that I’m feeding you. I am merely pointing out that everyone beside me can read this conversation, where you have openly admitted you’re engaging into a behaviour who is considered generally a display of sub-par understanding of the netiquette, if you don’t want me to remind it to you it’s fine by me. But still, for a last time allow me to point out that others can read this thread, others that can belong to such cultures which value family a lot.
And with ever act of trolling toward me you perform, these people will take their conclusions, whatever I say it or not.
Once again, are you sure you want to keep ridiculizing yourself?
You need a TL;DR to sum that up for me. Didn’t even read any of it.
To the quitters, can I have your gold please?
Nobody is quitting.. They are all just full of hot air.
You sure about this, right?
Why would you quit when you can now play for free? bahahaha so many grumpy people in this game
Because, even if for free, I wouldn’t desire to play a game I consider unappealing and\or unfairly expensive for what it has to offer. Even if I can play for free, why I need to spend time in-game if that time wont bring me any enjoyement?
It’s not just me, there are many other people I know that feel the same and we all ended up uninstalling the game to make space on our HDDs. I could even give you more detailed reasons about mine, and others, discontent about the game. But it would be wasted on someone whom sensibilities allow him to disregard others’ opinions by cheesy statements.
The forum may be full of grumpy people in your eyes, in mine it’s better to look grumpy than to look that cheap thing of being whom believes that a cheesy phrase and him believing to be cool would entitle him everyone’s attentions and admiration.
Well since you uninstalled the game already there is no need to keep coming here to the forums to spread your negative out look on things.
As an owner of a paid account, and believing that my feedback could reach other like minded voices so to be heard better by ANet, I think I have every right to come to the forums and express my opinion. As negative as it may be, but I understand than some minds can’t accept life isn’t not just fancy and nice, there are also negative things.
So, since you’re evidently one of such minds, there is no need for you to address me anymore.
So what positive feedback have you supplied since you quit this game? I’d guess ZERO, ZIP, NOTTA.
Also you are not my Dad. You can’t tell me who to address.
First: I have provided no positive feedbacks because, from my point of view, there’s nothing to be positive about. ANet is completely ignoring the Veteran Players to lure more newcomers to purchase the game. Yet to those Veteran Players has been asked to display their love for a game that doesn’t love them back and to purchase the Expansion for an insanely high price considering the content. I can’t be positive about this, I don’t feel I should be positive about this, I’m not the only one feeling like this.
Second: I suppose your father has raised you poorly then, if you are not aware\able to understand that older and more mature people could find your insistence bothersome. If you’re unable to realize when somone says you that there’s nothing more worth to be said between you and the aforementioned someone, then I’m sorry for your parent.
Whoa them fighting words if you ever talk about my parents again.. How mature must you be to call my parents out for some trolling that I’m doing on some forums to some player that claims he quit yet hangs around these forums like this game is his life.. If you quit move the efff on is all I’m saying..
I’m not calling them out, but in the end our personalities and actions are shaped by the ones who raised us, once again I feel sincerely bad for your parents. Wonder if they can see how you’re sunking low now, making assumptions, deciding that ‘giving a not positive feedback’ equates to ‘hang around these forums like this game is his life’.
But again, I understand it’s not totally your fault, so I can’t really be too angry at you.
Age and other factors may be an issue in a convo between people with different grades of maturity.Just cause you use big words doesn’t make you better than me. Seriously though leave my parents out of this.. Trolling forums has nothing to do with them. I’m trolling you and you keep feeding me more and more..
I don’t feel trolled, again I just see a kid that’s putting to shame his parents.
Again, you have two ways to keep up this. First is you keep trolling me, something you openly admitted, something that should incur into ANet’s sanctions. (And will keep showing up a degree of childish-ness whom should give an hint on how you’ve been raised without care for how you look.)
OR
You can leave at it, ignore my posts if you wish, maybe save that little of face your raising can keep.
Keep mentioning my parents when I asked you to leave them out of this.. So mature of you.. All you doing is throwing lame momma jokes at me but in a nicer way
Putting restrictions on free accounts doesn’t matter one iota, every game that has gone F2P instantly becomes overrun with shouty little children, angsty, angry teenagers and bots.
This is the death knell for GW2.
Game has been full of that already before it even became free to play.. Most, including myself, hang around in these forums.
To the quitters, can I have your gold please?
Nobody is quitting.. They are all just full of hot air.
You sure about this, right?
Why would you quit when you can now play for free? bahahaha so many grumpy people in this game
Because, even if for free, I wouldn’t desire to play a game I consider unappealing and\or unfairly expensive for what it has to offer. Even if I can play for free, why I need to spend time in-game if that time wont bring me any enjoyement?
It’s not just me, there are many other people I know that feel the same and we all ended up uninstalling the game to make space on our HDDs. I could even give you more detailed reasons about mine, and others, discontent about the game. But it would be wasted on someone whom sensibilities allow him to disregard others’ opinions by cheesy statements.
The forum may be full of grumpy people in your eyes, in mine it’s better to look grumpy than to look that cheap thing of being whom believes that a cheesy phrase and him believing to be cool would entitle him everyone’s attentions and admiration.
Well since you uninstalled the game already there is no need to keep coming here to the forums to spread your negative out look on things.
And you’re not doing the same trying to be funny without being ? or at least contribute to the discussion ?, the point of Heylel , is that Anet is not thinking of the veterans, they could at least give a discount on HoT or do something to really appreciate the years of support these players .
Don’t even get me started on veteran players LOL you have gotten so much more out of this game then anyone with a free restricted version will ever get or even the free core version with the purchase of HoT.
To the quitters, can I have your gold please?
Nobody is quitting.. They are all just full of hot air.
You sure about this, right?
Why would you quit when you can now play for free? bahahaha so many grumpy people in this game
Because, even if for free, I wouldn’t desire to play a game I consider unappealing and\or unfairly expensive for what it has to offer. Even if I can play for free, why I need to spend time in-game if that time wont bring me any enjoyement?
It’s not just me, there are many other people I know that feel the same and we all ended up uninstalling the game to make space on our HDDs. I could even give you more detailed reasons about mine, and others, discontent about the game. But it would be wasted on someone whom sensibilities allow him to disregard others’ opinions by cheesy statements.
The forum may be full of grumpy people in your eyes, in mine it’s better to look grumpy than to look that cheap thing of being whom believes that a cheesy phrase and him believing to be cool would entitle him everyone’s attentions and admiration.
Well since you uninstalled the game already there is no need to keep coming here to the forums to spread your negative out look on things.
As an owner of a paid account, and believing that my feedback could reach other like minded voices so to be heard better by ANet, I think I have every right to come to the forums and express my opinion. As negative as it may be, but I understand than some minds can’t accept life isn’t not just fancy and nice, there are also negative things.
So, since you’re evidently one of such minds, there is no need for you to address me anymore.
So what positive feedback have you supplied since you quit this game? I’d guess ZERO, ZIP, NOTTA.
Also you are not my Dad. You can’t tell me who to address.
To the quitters, can I have your gold please?
Nobody is quitting.. They are all just full of hot air.
You sure about this, right?
Why would you quit when you can now play for free? bahahaha so many grumpy people in this game
Because, even if for free, I wouldn’t desire to play a game I consider unappealing and\or unfairly expensive for what it has to offer. Even if I can play for free, why I need to spend time in-game if that time wont bring me any enjoyement?
It’s not just me, there are many other people I know that feel the same and we all ended up uninstalling the game to make space on our HDDs. I could even give you more detailed reasons about mine, and others, discontent about the game. But it would be wasted on someone whom sensibilities allow him to disregard others’ opinions by cheesy statements.
The forum may be full of grumpy people in your eyes, in mine it’s better to look grumpy than to look that cheap thing of being whom believes that a cheesy phrase and him believing to be cool would entitle him everyone’s attentions and admiration.
Well since you uninstalled the game already there is no need to keep coming here to the forums to spread your negative out look on things.
To the quitters, can I have your gold please?
Nobody is quitting.. They are all just full of hot air.
You sure about this, right?
Why would you quit when you can now play for free? bahahaha so many grumpy people in this game
Ok so my wife and i buy the 100 US version of the HoT, how many free accounts do we have pay? i found this son insulting to veterans. i hope theres some kind of refund or someting, been the core game free for hot just look terrible, but knowing that the wolhe F, thing is free with no really restrictions? how about hackers, how about goldspamers, i…. im so kitten right now, HOT was a epic Scam… I JUST kittenG HOPE THAT 3 YEARS FROM NOW MY FRIENDS GET CORE+HOT FOR FREE AND HELL IM NOT GONNA PAY FOR OTHER EXPANSION ON THIS GAME… I DONT LIKE TO GET RIP OFF!
Caps lock key seems to be broken. Don’t buy HoT, buy a new keyboard.
You want your friends weapons? Buy the game
Its not a trial if it doesn’t expire. If I saw free extended trial version I would think I only have so many hours I can put into it until I can no longer play it..
To the quitters, can I have your gold please?
Nobody is quitting.. They are all just full of hot air.
Nicely Done Anet
Improve the game Check
Kill Some Of Loyal Comunity Check
kitten the Pvp Check
kitten the WvW Check
Break the Economy CheckAlmost forgot , give a ugly outfit as reward for who had buy the game. Check
Really, play since gw1 and never be disappointed with Anet. But you know, there’s always a first time for everything in life.
And most troubling , all F2P game has hackers , I’m seeing this now in GW2 , how sad …
ou but dont worry, Free player can’t use MAP chat. -.-"
Time for you to move on and find a new game to play – Check
Had some fun welcoming some new players. Looks like I wasn’t the only one there.
I’m shocked that people think anet has to include them in every single decision they make.. No seriously.. I’m totally shocked.
Do you share your IRL birthday gifts with all your friends or do you keep them to yourself?
Anyone else agree or am I just blowing smoke here?
Just blowing smoke.. Like the 123742134021354061235 other threads all saying the same thing
No its a joke.. APRIL FOOLS.. oh wait
0/10 would not read this thread again.
But this will all be fixed soon enough. After all, they promised WvW will be top priority when HoT comes out, right? Right?
Can you provide links to source where they “promised” us anything?
An upcoming patch will contain changes to how line of sight is calculate for arrow carts. Some of the arrow cart skills ignored line of sight and the rest were too forgiving with their line of sight calculations. Both of these issues allowed players with modified cameras to shoot an arrow cart from behind walls to locations they shouldn’t have even been able to see, much less fire at. In the future arrow cart skills will use a special type of line of sight checking specifically designed to reduce this problem while still making the allowed target areas feel reasonable.
Thanks even though it years 3 years late, but who’s counting!
Ohh again with this been a problem for 3 years post.. Camera changes are not even a year old. Yes certain people have been doing it for years but it became a major issue when the camera changes came into play and everyone could now do it.
I’m looking forward to this change since being an outnumbered defender and recently these acs outside have done nothing but frustrate me.
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Here is a a post from someone that a dev posted on reddit and clearly says EoTM isn’t counted towards wvw population.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/World-Population-Changes-Are-Coming/page/2#post5316590
Here’s what it said about EoTM:
No, EotM won’t be counted towards WvW. I don’t think it’s the same experience, and you can always enter it since it can have as many instances as needed, so there’s really not that same population problem as in “core” WvW.
Well my server has been high for the past 3 weeks yet outnumbered. I came here to say that didn’t make sense since we’ve been outnumbered by medium servers.. Now my server shows as medium as of today..
So looks like the status does change even though I came here to say it didn’t seem to be working as it should.
Will give it more time I guess.
DB blobs. DH blobs. AR blobs. SF blobs..
there summed it up for every server mentioned in this thread that are around the same tier.
Oh and we fought DB a bunch of times these past weeks and they do have more NA then these people make it out to be
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I liked this game mode better when Anet ignores it and doesn’t touch it at all
Yes lets destroy every single community every single year and give gems to the people that stack on the winning servers.
No thanks.
First off, you clearly didn’t read. Only one server (per region) would get ‘destroyed’ a year not every single community.
I have a hard time reading since hooked on phonics didn’t work for me but when I see ideas that would destroy any communities I will disagree with them.. Ever been on a server that is considered dead and try to help rebuild it? If not maybe you should try some lower tiers and see what its like. I feel like for the past year we have been trying to rebuild but every server around us gets transfers yet guilds just leave us.. Its not an easy thing to do..
Yes lets destroy every single community every single year and give gems to the people that stack on the winning servers.
No thanks.
Its a beta. You are suppose to be testing it out. Not worrying about your inventory space, bank or loot that gets dropped. Everything you asked for would probably take months to implement into the beta that will be useless and wasted time when the beta is over and done with.
They did it the simplest way in my eyes. Gave you gear that you can pick your stats on. The left over gear you can just delete. Same with the runes.. I deleted and recreated toons several times. I never even went to my bank once on my beta toons or touched the mystic forge.. I was too busy trying the new stuff out to worry about anything you posted about.
Fed up with being outnumbered on your medium servers? Join us on our high status server and get all these cool extra bonuses. hehe :P
Basically to you two before me:
Give this system a bit more time before you judge the effect it has had.
My server (very high EU) usually crushes any of the two we’re up against during EU prime, so we’ve got ~300-600 PPT for a few hours, afterwards we lose everything as the other servers have got their early morning Karma trains and we have around 3-20 people on all maps from 2 am until 9 pm the next day. But anet can’t say: “Lets make this server medium, they’ve got no night shift” as maybe all of those who’d sign up would be prime time players as well.
And I got to this server when they were “high” btw. I don’t really care about the ratings, all servers I’ve been to had times in which no one was online; I’m used to it.
I clearly stated we have been outnumbered during prime time for a few weeks now by medium servers so not sure what you are talking about not having a night shift has anything to do with the status of the servers. I could care less about scores, winning or losing but to be considered high yet be pretty much the lowest populated server for a few weeks now tells me something is wrong..
Ctrl-t is the default. If they stealth though you lose the target.
Your standard dagger/dagger elementalist traited for water magic and running cantrip utilities and Ether Renewal has some insane condition removal. Ether Renewal all by itself will remove 9 conditions (8 from the skill itself and another 1 from the cantrip trait giving you regeneration boon at the end) and the water magic trait reduces it’s cooldown to about 14 seconds. On top of that, all of your utilities will remove a condition when used. And if that isn’t enough, if you have Arcana traited as well, you lose a condition or two when you switch attunements to water magic and Dagger 5 in water magic will cleanse yet another condition. Evasive Arcana will cleanse a condition when you dodge in water attunement too.
With that much condition removal, there really isn’t any class in the game that can win against you with condition damage.
What he/she said.. First thing that popped in my head was d/d ele
If you ask me. You need to push your recalculate/refresh/re-something button since medium servers are now getting transfers and out numbering high status servers..
For 3 weeks now we been outnumbered by medium servers.
Are you talking about EU or NA?
I’m NA. Currently T6 but have been T5 past few weeks. Same results in both tiers. Outnumbered most of the day and even at prime time. My server status is high and there is no way we are ever going to get transfers since it costs more gems to transfer to high. Who would transfer to a high server for more gems that gets beat by medium servers? LOL
Only thing I fear is going to happen is people will now stack on medium servers since its cheaper and basically steam roll everyone they face until they hit a wall up in the higher tiers. Once that wall is hit they may transfer back down to do it all over again on a new server.