Guild Wars 2

But like Justin said, they prioritized unranked/ranked split over solo/team split. At this point gw2 pvp can’t handle both, the population doesn’t support it.

theoutsider.7849:

Justin ODell.9517:

No, I don’t think I missed the point. This is why I clarified, I wasn’t trying to say players hated solo arena (outside what you mentioned). Again, the reasons I mentioned, which at best, are only summary of the team’s reasons. The two big ones (in my mind) were that 1) people wanted a place to play casually with friends, but in a more structured environment than hotjoin. 2) Players had valid criticism of the solo ladder, which would be true for nearly any ladder that is solo in nature because Gw2 PvP is a team game. This is why we shifted away from solo/team to unranked/ranked.

Dota2 and league are team games. Why do those games offer solo matchmaking and solo ladders?
Man, you sure are a hipster.

They have the population for it.

theoutsider.7849:

It is nice and all that Justin is manually adjusting things, but let’s face the truth:
If that matchmaking system was ANY good, he wouldn’t need to adjust specific players MMRs.

Where did he say that he’s manually adjusting MMRs?
I think he means that he’s looking for overall system adjustments…

Risk/reward is just screwed in it’s entirety in gw2. Part of the issue is that the skill ceiling is too low, creating a lot of easy to medium hard builds that are quite forgiving and rewarding.

Need MF recipe that puts in 4 mini lama’s for a mini legendary lama.

It’s worth it on a full-capped far until they start avoiding you. But like others said, bunkering solo queue, you might be more useful in the teamfights.
Just let close push far.

Justin ODell.9517:

CptCuddles.8912:

It’s not just the communication that helps pre-mades. You need to also realize that it is a group of players selected because they are at least somewhat skills versus a pub of players at variable skill levels. Pre-mades are also more willing to cooperate whereas pub groups tend to resort to complaining and insisting that each individual player is in fact the most skilled and has the best plan.

I agree, I’d like to see what more we can do to encourage pubs to cooperate more. On my wish list is a team finder that analyzes all your games and suggests other pub players to potentially team with based on your past history with them.

Another idea is letting you keep your pub team through the next queue if you won.

Anyone else have any ideas?

Any update on those ‘radio commands’, that were once talked about?

A la CS:GO: One or two keybinds that allow you to quickly communicate with your team. The things I type in-game during the match is mostly the same:

1. Close
a. Incoming (Need help, defend, reinforce,…)
– 1
– 2
– etc.
b. Attack (rotate,…)
– 1
– 2
– etc.
2. Mid
a. Same as above.
3. Far
a. Same as above.
4. Focus target!! :p
5. Boss/buffs/Lord/Treb (Warning notification)
6. Etc.

This might help a bit, especially as most people don’t want to type during a match or for whatever reason.

And for more teams and such —> Daily, weekly, monthly automated tournaments. This gives a consistent, competitive environment with better rewards (maybe some gems again?) with a small entry fee (small! Something like a few tickets/points/whatever you get for winning a ranked queue).

Are you going for ‘most threads created’ trophy? :p

They should find a way to skip the HOTM loading and get straight into the match. Like I’ve said before I’m a slow loader but I think I could do 1 loading screen in 1 min :p. Especially if it’s straight into the match as those need less ‘loading time’ usually.

^ If they hotjoined farmed it to 80 then they would be worse than you. And I’m sure there are a few of those around.

Dishonor still has to be activated. We’ll first have to see how that works out.

As for giving a buff? Please no, that’s not how it should be.

I just don’t see how leagues will work when we have solo/team queue mixed?
Anyway, concerning the MM:

- I have pretty good matches all around, playing solo or with more.
- I’ve seen quite a bit 4v5 the past few days. I hope you can reactivate dishonor soon.
- However, about those DC’s. I, myself, dc’d two or three times since last patch which results in a -9 point loss (I think?). While I understand that you need to take firm action against 4v5 situations, there should be a solution in place that doesn’t hurt the teams MMR/LP wise but also doesn’t hurt (that much) the ‘honest’ DC’ers (= the one that reconnects asap) as GW2 tends to crash/DC you once in a while.

As for the ladder itself, it should be a mix of last and this version. Maybe punishing the losers a bit harsher (max 1+ gain if good performance?), might make the LB more skill-based.

3 dc’s, one because of my internet going out, two because of a crash and a dc (thats on Anet). That’s -9 points, while I reconnected and won 1 atleast. Grace period is a tough one, as I’m a slow loader. But indeed, the loss for the team after a 1min 4v5 would be to big.

Anyway, we need a solution for this. If it’s my fault for disconnecting, then k you can punish me. But GW2 is a crash/dc heavy game, and it’s all too frustrating to lose 3 points even though you reconnect asap.

Then we’ll start QQ’ing about not being able to play with 2, 3, 4 in ranked.

Acandis.3250:

Eh, the biggest issue right now is that the new queue system does nothing to support teams with solid mayhmaking whatsoever. Making it extremely hard for good teams to get better and bad teams to get good…

It’s been fun watching ANet slowly dig their own grave and this last patch has been one of the surest first nails on its coffin.

There needs to be a serious change in management for this game to crawl out of this one.

First nails? lol
The game has had much worse moments in the past two years.

Anyway, just bring back daily, weekly, monthly automated tournaments. It would add a great ‘team creation’ dynamic in pvp. And no, ESL is not the proper replacement of that.

The last version of the leaderboards was kitten too.
They have a test-season (this one), to get data and make adjustments. If you’re that fed up, come back some time after 13 january.

It’s merging to fix WvW issues, no? Doesn’t mean there’s a game-wide population issue.

It isnt’t being updated at all atm. You’ll have to wait and hope they still track the data.

You might be in elo-hell :p. GL getting out of it.

^ Half solo, half duo queue.
Today the same 20 or so matches: 3/4 blowouts, the rest decent to great matches (played solo, duo, 3-man and 4-man :p)

I played around 20 matches today, about 3/4 blowouts and the rest decent to very good games.

2 minutes minimum, 8 minutes maximum was the last info about that provided by Justin.
People are already kittening about queue times regardless of good matchups.

Anet can’t win :p. It’s a population issue first and foremost.

In the old teamq you could also be up against those super pugs. Regardless if you solo’ed, duo or trio-queued. They have to play against someone :p

Maybe you can try to be a bit harsher on the partysize, but a bit less on the rating so a superpug would play against more full teams regardless of the fact that they’re lower rated.

Vamp Rook.7835:

Justin ODell.9517:

Do you have a specific concern that I could address?

Add a minimum of r20 and 50 unranked games for play ranked games. It’s easy.

You know how many legendary champions I spot that are outright terrible? But like really, really, really bad? Rank is kittened because of two years hotjoin farming, no need to focus on that anymore.

Played around 10 games, all decent to great games.

Justin ODell.9517:

Sevastianos.5672:

Our bunkers normally don’t enter the match as their bunker character, and also experience disconnect. We normally take care to make sure if someone disconnects they atleast earn points before the match ends but could there be abandonment penalties for swapping or DCing?

Yes, disconnecting or changing professions will count as desertion, and give that player dishonor. They will also be scored on the ladder as if they had a full loss, meaning as if their team had scored 0 points.

While I understand that, it’s a bit annoying when gw2 crashes so much :p. I think I dc’d in 5-10 matches since last patch. So that would mean a 15-30 point loss? :/

Build templates are confirmed coming.

SYPHA.9283:

Chaith.8256:

Dead Muppet.9718:

SobeSoul.6910:

Quake Con had 1v1s, not team play, in the beginning, and there were so many ladders for Quake 3 that I find that your claim of being on the best team in the world to be very dubious.

1v1 got its push start with Thresh Vs Entropy for the ferrari. From there Team Deathmatch 4v4 and 1v1 was pretty big from 1996 through til 2004ish.

1v1 is still going fairly strong but with the assortment of games out today the pool of players isnt like it was for sure.

If your point is that nobody cares about competitive GW2 I think you’ll find there are less people that care about Quake round’ these parts.

Ya I’ll have to disagree. The whole 300 hundred or so that watched the twitch stream is considerably lower than any Quake tournament that ever went on.

Gw2 is not and never will be a true E-sport. A game that relies on meta-builds and counter builds, will never be taken seriously in the gaming community.

Builds > than actual skill involved

Gw1 would like to have a talk with you.

Wait two more days. That’s so annoying?

^ They did a league CDI a year? ago, they confirmed last patch that they’re still working on it and Justin just talked about it. :p So I guess it’s still on the table.

Justin ODell.9517:

How would we determine your league? By that, I mean, do we place you in a league based on the MMR at the start of the season? 10 days after the season starts? Or, do we let you move between leagues as your MMR goes up and down throughout the season? Do we let people pick their own league?

What sort of implications does this have for matchmaking? Do we only let people fight others in their league? If yes, this could cause long queue times, especially in the upper leagues. If we let people fight players from any league does the current odds of victory point handicapping still fit?

How does this affect rewards? If we rewarded the top 150 players, do we now only reward the top 50 in each league? If we split rewards by league, doesn’t that imply locking people into a league at the start?

I like this discussion, but keep in mind, I’m not a designer and be kind to me if I don’t know the answer to these sorts of questions.

At the start of the season you need to play 10-20 placement matches. However, you can still take into account the previous MMR for those matches. After that you’re placed in a league.
It is important to have goals and aim to be competitive, so I’d say that you should be able to progress through leagues or fall back down to lower leagues.

But the most important part about leagues, is that it offers a great platform for a good reward infrastructure that incentivizes competitive play (< time spent) and rewards skilled play. You need to differentiate the rewards between the leagues and make them unique.

For example:

Gold league:

Gold cape (Everyone in gold league at the END of the season gets this)
Top 50% : Gold cape with color x guildtag
Top 25% : Gold cape with color y guildtag
Top 1% : Gold cape with color EPIC guildtag
Unique armor/dyes/weapons/mini’s/tonics/titles (This could be vendor-based where you get points based on winning to buy some of this stuff in order to motivate people to play)

Silver league:

Silver cape (same as gold league)
Unique armor/dyes/weapons/mini’s/tonics/titles

Bronze league:

Bronze cape (same as silver/gold league)
Unique armor/dyes/weapons/mini’s/tonics/titles

• If you end in gold league, you get everything that lower tiers get, and so on. Otherwise people might just want to stay in a certain tier.

Anyway, just rewarding the top 50 isn’t enough, non-unique rewards is a non go either (don’t you dare put anything in hotjoin). You need to reward people who try to be competitive(< reward time) in playing leagues, and then you should reward people who are playing good (< reward skill).

Let them work on a league infrastructure first with unique rewards. That should be top priority.

Anet, is a lan client something you’ll work on? Seeing them rubberband makes me cringe.

tarcheg.4872:

EU:
Invite time is 5-30s max.
Match quality / match making is horrible. My highlight was the match in which all 5 players of one team left with 0 points on the score board. Never had this happened in 5k+ games before (iirc).
Class stacking was all over the place.

I gladly wait 3-5minutes for a match if its increase the quality by a lot.

It was like that last weekend. Killed queue entirely because there was no off-peak hour scaling. Justin will implement that tuesday, when the ladder resets. It should be better then.

I don’t think hurting the solo experience is a good thing in the long run. If they want us to team, they could add another dynamic to the HOTM.
Something which was very fun in GW1 —> Daily/weekly/monthly Automated Tournaments.

This would offer a consistent competitive environment with better rewards while not being too demanding like the esl cups, etc. You can even tie in the spectator mode/shoutcaster priveleges (or whats it called? :p)

Silentshoes.1805:

And what did a night of “testing” like this do to our MMRs?

Will we be getting these sorts of non-serious teammates for the near future then? And in the test season?

As Justin said, they got a fix coming. It’ll be def. in by next tuesday.

^Rank doesn’t say a thing. They could have farmed hotjoin. It’s the MMR that counts.

Double Lord cam for tournaments. Too annoying if you can’t follow both on a stream.

Laserbolt.6731:

Guess the budget is shrinking. Now they want unpaid, volunteer workers.

Complaint n1 the past few months: Anet doesn’t listen, communicate, etc.

This is a good way of creating a better connection between the two.

We’ll see after the test-season. You have to know things will change a bit when the seasons starts.

Anyway, I still see this at the first step towards leagues. Only then we’ll have the infrastructure pvp needs.

^ Would kill pvp honestly. The amount of toxicity, trolling, abuse, etc would be out of control.

You want to be able to farm newbies? Yet everyone complains about the quality of the matches.

^ Makes no sense. Why not ranked solo then?

How would leagues work when solo/teamq is merged though. Teams will always have the advantage in gaining ladderpoints. So a soloplayer wouldn’t be able to get in the highest bracket?

And don’t we need something with set teamrosters and such?

Anyway, regardless of all that. Leagues are a glorified reward infrastructure, they better get that right first.

^ What have you been playing for the past 2 years?

It’ll all depend on the leagues. It’s the perfect opportunity to get the reward infrastructure right.

Ladder 16th dec :p

Leagues, next feature pack? ^^

Block everyone.

They rly should allow dueling in HOTM now. Would be a fun activity to do and look at.

^ I think top teams are split up too atm. I’ve seen some queue unranked, some ranked.

Maybe the ladder activation will help pull those from unranked to ranked.

So… you guys were lagging, right? In the games?

Anet, please make a lan version of pvp for future events. Seeing the rubberband makes me die inside.