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Finally someone who explained you don’t have to do 4-1 and try to bring her down in one try. When I was doing it last time, my team did it pretty similiarly.
haviz.1340
Clyde Emberwind.7036Or…they could’ve ran it through ANY QA before actually releasing it in this state that has so much of the playerbase up-in-arms.
“We pre-test all content on lower-end systems for optimization” – Yeah…sure.
Don’t you understand? They based whole fractals design on personal story missions where you can’t reconnect and join from different servers except overflows. They weren’t testing it because they tested personal story missions a long time ago and probably didnt thin’k about disconnect issues because personal missions are pretty short so it’s not needed there.
jesus, anet shouldn’t have given that example.
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Depends on the dungeon.
For example in AC if you skip Kholer, you just skipped 12+ silver.
There are several champion gravelings that each drop 5 silver in that dungeon as well. Personally I like to skip the other trash but kill the ones that have guaranteed money. Why would I want to shave off a few minutes from the run if I am giving up money to do it?
Every dungeon got 3 bosses that drops 10 silver.
Yeah, you have to dodge every time they do anything. Everything they do hurts a lot. I kite them because it’s the safest way to fight them. I’m not interested in people dying to dogs or courtiers.
You hardly have to dodge everything.
Take a look at what I wrote here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Twilight-Arbor-only-45-Tokens-at-the-end/first
We did five dungeons too fast, TOO FAST. We skipped every group and event possible. Also of course full berserk equip on all five people and none of us died while skipping ( mostly because we know how to dodge ). Now show me how you do that if you kill every mob and do every event you see in a dungeon.
That’s because your average pug player is horrible and can’t skip by himself. Swapping skills/traits/utilites for something that helps you if you can’t propery dodge or you’d run out of endurance is an exotic concept for most people.
TA is full of mechanics that are frustrating. Either the tells aren’t good enough or the damage is too high or both. But the fact that you can kill blossoms to rally balances it out. However, balance doesn’t necessarily equate to fun. It’s not very interactive. Inevitably, people will go down regardless of what decisions they make. Being able to rally off blossoms doesn’t make that any less frustrating.
They improved blossoms really nicely. You should have seen them during first 2 months
Another thing that’s frustrating is all the trash mobs are powerful but they don’t have tells like say the gravelings in AC. AC gravelings are how dungeon trash should be. In TA every single mob spams high damage, poison, and CC. You just kinda have to kite them and keep them away.
Trash mobs give many cues when you should dodge. You don’t have to kite them at all. I’m in constant melee (on glass ele)
And of course, the waypoints. Wait, there are none. I don’t understand this design decision, but it certainly makes it even more frustrating. It gets worse when some groups want to skip the overpowered trash mobs, then somebody dies and has to run through them solo later. LOL. But hey, even if you do the dungeon as intended and fight everything, then people have to spend an enormous amount of time to run back if they die. Frustrating.
Lack of waypoints might be frustrating, I’ll agree here.
A few of the boss fights are so aggravating if played as intended, but everyone cheeses them and makes them boring. It’s lose-lose because you can cheese them, but also because doing them as intended isn’t fun. I would seriously recommend looking at the boss fights in TA and revamping them to be more interactive while patching the cheesing methods at the same time.
People cheese them because they wouldn’t be any more difficult (maybe except final bosses).
If you right click on a token stack, there’s greyed out option “Deposit collectibles”. It might mean that in near future you could storage them in your collectibles tab.
I’m of the opinion that he shouldn’t regen health at all.
You mean you could just try again and again until get him to 0%. How would that work with his different phases?
Imho, the way where all 5 grab sparks is intended. You got 5 members in party and 5 sparks.
A lot of bosses can be bugged, does that mean they all are broken? You also can’t bug them reliably.
Sooo your argument is that bcs other bosses can be bugged its okay to bug simin? :p good job
Have I really said that? But enough of offtopic, I can already sense moderator nearby
A lot of bosses can be bugged, does that mean they all are broken? You also can’t bug them reliably.
It wasnt fixed… place four sparks, put last at 50% and then dps her down on one go. Very easy. We had thief, ranger, necro, berserk warrior and mesmer. After we bought 10/10 tonics and dps food. It wasnt a problem to bring her down on one go.
I was referring to different strategy, not this one.
The problem with dps race is that it was fixed. You know need a very specific team composition to kill her from 50% to 0% in one sweep.
Bugging bosses is very common bug, doesn’t include simin and alpha only.
You could before. That’s when I did it. I just saw that video. Its was a dps race then and its still a dps race now
It’s not a dps race. It’s a race with sparks. And it probably was never intended as dps race seeing how anet fixed that.
It’s really not hard when they have the same fix implemented in all the other dungeons and story mode. There is no feature. Only Zuul.
Fractals = personal story mission from design standpoint.
You can’t attack her while she heals.
You obviously have never coded a fix before, and don’t understand the standard complexity of such an easy task. I understand your frustration, and why you’re mad, but you gotta realize if you imply things I’m just going to ignore you. These people are paid to work no matter the day or night. Some of the workers don’t even celebrate Christmas, and you’re implying all do? You’re just backing the excuses A-Net would give in such a standard fashion. I honestly expected a response just like this. Hell I’ll be on the disconnect fix if they hired me. I’d work day and night and be known as the Fractals savior. Don’t use a time of year or event as an excuse to idle work. Save your sauce for another fellow please.
A fix? They have to code a feature not a fix. How hard is to grasp it?
I have to completely agree. This is a slap in the face to us Fractal players. A-Net do you even care about your users, or is it just for the money? Because in one week you can progress from fractals 20 to 30. This whole day I have been trying to progress past 20. Just 20. I crashed on stage 3 or at jade maw each and every time. That’s hours upon hours of time lost for nothing. Now you announce the patch is in a whole month? That’s too long. I imagine the disconnect patch wouldn’t even be more than 3-5 lines of code, if not less.This is so stressful that I really can’t stand it anymore. I really want to stick my head in my lawn mower… That’s how I feel. I will not continue any more fractals until you patch this terrible issue. You’re loosing customers and trust here A-Net.
You clearly never write any sophisticated and complex code. 3-5 lines? Do you know that fractals are probalby based on personal story, not on standard dungeons? It’s much harder than that. And it’s holiday times now. You’d think some people want some rest from their jobs.
Yep, we have few threads already how broken he is because she now gets Determined buff (invulnerability) when going stealth. It’s still doable with decent teammates, you just can’t kill her by hitting thin air.
And we’re kinda similiar. I did path 1 as my last one but that’s because I had to repeat it few times because npc died during last fight
You gonna have people asking how did you kill simin and when they find out you just dps her down attacking thin air, they gonna tell you your title is less legit ;P
No, because fractals aren’t typical dungeons. They look similiarly to personal story quests and you can’t cross server them unless on overflow.
Simin isn’t the last boss in p4, there’s one more. I’ve done it couple of times each time with pulling sparks. You don’t need 4 warriors and mesmer unless you’re trying to dps her down from 50% to 0%. Step up your game and she takes 5 minutes tops. How long did it take you to kill lupi or alpha for the first time?
Sorry, we didn’t have poison to counter her heals. Thus making the fight impossible with our set up unless we had berserker’s.
Poisoning her does zilch, nada. She heals from every condition when going stealth. Stop trying to think “DPS GOOD” and start running sparks. You need to do it in about 8-9 seconds.
I am playing on euro serv but that was rather ironic challenge. No one in his mind would want to do that because there’s no reason for that. And good job on spending 7 hrs in Arah ;P
Stop puggin then, make your own group of people that have same opinion on that matter and leave skipping to others. Problem solved.
Have it so mobs don’t leash in dungeons.
Fixed.
PS: To add to that, this is the only game I’ve played where you can “leash” Dungeon mobs (aka out run them so they de-aggro). Kind of silly if you ask me.
You could have skipped mobs in gw1. And you still have stealth here to lose aggro. Or improve loots.
Fixed.
If just one person in the group wants to kill something you do it. Theres no reason to have something like democrazy in groups.
Come with me to arah, I’m gonna clear whole dungeon of mobs. And you and the rest of our team will have to help me with that cause we won’t have democrazy.
If I were you I wouldn’t attempt to do path 4, maybe wait till anet “fixes” simin. Or we might get yet another thread how simin is broken/hard/long.
Maybe you’d think so. The reality is a lot of people who aren’t fit to get the achievement are trying for it (and succeeding to a certain extent due to poor dungeon design).
This is why you often see “Simin is too hard” forum threads here.
Besides, the upscaling in dungeons gives an illusion of for example AC being equal in terms of difficulty to Arah, which is not the case. Thus many people are doing the difficult dungeons before the easy ones, giving them little time to adapt. I know I did a couple of paths in Arah before attempting AC or TA explorable.
Okay, you’re right on that. In fact, I met a lot of people with that title being horribly bad.
Also, it’s downscaling :P
Have you done Arah?
Adapt all you want, but they’ll still steamroll you. It’s unforgiving. Yeah I’m going for DM and Arah 4 is all I need left, and I dungeon daily.
I’d have to say the bulk of dying is trying to skip. Skipping in an unknown dungeon is just asking for trouble.
Ye, I did Arah, about 90 times. Skipping is really easy, if you die for 1st time, think about what killed and how you can avoid that. I was skipping mobs solo in AC at lvl 11. Think about that, 1 hit and you’re dead.
Yes it is. Four noobs will have a hard time killing most bosses without wiping, whether or not you have a fifth that can tell you tactics.
He said he was doing arah for DM title. You’d think people aspiring for that had an ability to quickly adapt to new dungeon.
Glass canon builds are just for lazy ppl who basicly can’t come up with somerhing better.There are so many alternative builds in this game and thinking tank or glasscannon is simply put low imagination.
I for example run with full toughness/vitality/power armor,toughness/precision/power trinkets,and with some minor tweaks from jewels i loose only 20% crit damage and 10% crit chance comparing to full out Gc.But i ge the advantage of 3k armor and very high hp pool wich guarantees me almost infinite time in the battle making me actually do a lot more dps than gc build.
In the end it’s all about your dedication and that is the best reason i hate partying with glasscannons.I know is just a personal opinion but a lazy build means a lazy player that will anyeay slow down any team.My1.5 cent
Also i don’t understand why ppl say warrior has bad condition removal..It has 1 shout,1 heal with 2 cond removals,signet with all conditions removed, TRAit that automaticly removes cond and if u are human also race skill that removes 3 cond.If you combine all these with some perks and runes you get a huge ammount of condition removals.But hey most warriors need bolas+ quickness to land a 1h blades (only 2 slots where they could have all cond+1+stunbreak)so nothing to see here^^
You must be jesting. Glass cannons for lazy? It’s reversed. You can sit and facetank most mobs in p/v/t armour while on glass you have to dodge constantly. And glass cannon is the best build for damage. You deal less dmg in your more “imaginative” build for what? Ability to facetank? Good glass cannon don’t die as often as you think.
Hm, I just double checked and they implemented it in December 2006. That makes it 1.5 year. So there’s a hope!
If you had someone who knew what to do, how could you spend 3 hrs in arah? That’s not possible.
Trash mobs don’t have too much hp, stop making parties with “tanky dps” and they go down very quickly.
That’s just not true. I speed run AC and CoF a lot with a group of 3 glasscannon thieves (pure DPS. C&D for 5k, backstab for 8k.) and either 2 warriors or 1 warrior/1 guardian and we still find that a lot of trash mobs are better skipped because they’re HP sponges.
That’s strange cause I’ve seen vid on reddit where one thief was able to kill silver mob (vine) in TA in 15seconds. Also, when I ran TA last time, one glass cannon war was able to kill vine faster than 4 other people.
You don’t do path4 as the first path ever. It took you 5 hours to get to grenth priest. Try with easier/shorter paths like p3 and p2.
Glass Cannon on Arah = no no. shakeshead
I’d disagree. I’m doing Arah runs with full glass cannons and usually people that play “tanky dps” are going down faster than glass cannons, especially at lupi. I often stay alive with a friend and we have to 2man him (which takes about 4-5 minutes).
Just use gw2lfg.com there are so many good players out there doing arah exp.
I’d rather disagree on that topic.
You also made yet another thread on that topic. I’m pretty sure Anet is aware that you have to be able to see others levels.
Just take 4 warriors. They just mow through content.
I’m quite low compared to some, at 41 atm, but the 1st run at 40 gave me about 8g ( 2 exotics drops from mobs, loads of rares and the last chest gave me 6 rares…)
No point progressing past 40 tho waste of time pretty much, agony kitten everyone even with 30 resist.
Since I’m quite low on fractals could you tell me how long that run took?
Warriors.
15 chars.
You’d rather not believe in rumours ;P
Ascended items require specific skills to get it, while cultural gear just grinding the money</sarcasm>
I hate when I get 4 “tanky dps” people in party. Takes so long to kill trash it’s not even remotely imagineable. For your information, best groups compromise of 5 glass cannons just facerolling dungeons. The problem is, most people can’t play glass and they die horribly often.
My only wish would be to enable players to get armours with any kind of stat distribution (TA set with zerker’s stats for instance). Universal tokens is bad idea for reasons said already by few posters before.
There’s a reason why everyone asks for experienced people. Watch on youtube full run or just lupicus and pretend you are experienced. Most of those people that ask for experienced folks aren’t really good. Start with path 3, later path 2 and finally path 1 (no one runs p4 for tokens).
Or ask nicely, telling the truth (though it won’t work often). Yesterday I took one new guy (well, gal) and two claiming-to-be-experienced guys. One had done few runs already (partially arah set) but was the worst of all people in party.
Trash mobs don’t have too much hp, stop making parties with “tanky dps” and they go down very quickly. The problem is bad loot. You don’t do dungeons (advertised as a hardcore content) for same or even worse loot than you can get in open world.
How is November 15th→End of January 3 and 1/2 months? Its more like 2 months or 2 and 1/4 month.
Maybe because they run out of names (Adelbern’s Royal Signet Ring etc). Nah, just kidding. Probably for the same reason you weren’t able to get for instance rapid jewelry for few months.