I remember last year Vayne was saying how great GW2 will become in the future. And now when people complain about lack of content, his saying really 300 employee isn’t that much to create big content.
Or the time marketing talked about the expansion worth of content that the game dev actually come out in the end and apologize about it and blame it back to the marketing…
I actually think GW2 provides lots of content. But unlike other mmorpg, GW2 dont’ try to maximize their content. For example other mmorpg just create a single dungeon or raid and that is enough to keep people busy for a few month to half a year.
So you’re saying Anet do what best for their game company like they are suppose to…
I’m not sure why you are blaming the PR for.
Maybe that’s all there is to talk about. If you don’t think it is enough, you should complain about the game developer and direction of the game, instead of the PR.
It’s misleading to say you can get to r500 “without spending anything” — using stored mats is spending, since (a) you can convert those mats into gold and (b) you’d lose the ability to use those mats for anything else (such as creating a legendary or ascended gear).
not really. I think one of the poster mentioned already, he just craft destroyer weapon and level to 500 without spending anything. Obviously it take month for him to lvl to 500 since it take very long time to sell. I’m not sure if it is still viable now.
I’m not sure how much the market have change, but some of the items have really small gap between material cost and sale value, for example soldier item usually sell for lesser lost because it is more popular.
Obviously the market might change now, but all I’m saying is the crafting cost value for gw2crafts isn’t entirely accurate. Because they never taken account that some items are good to craft that you can recoup a huge percent of your crafting material cost.
if they really want more money, they should make the gem->gold exchange higher so ppl can buy gems with real money and get a real profit.
They did make the gem->gold exchange higher. If you haven’t notice, it keep rising.
But I understand what your trying to say, the 28% exchange difference does look like Anet are trying to rip people off.
But I think it is necessary evil. If there is no heavy tax, gem will become a commodity player try to control price, invest money, or flip.
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Some of the older weapon sell for 7 ticket. I think the problem is it is weird the weapons end up selling cheaper for say 10$ or 20$.
You can already level up with crafting…
Actually, you can’t anymore. When all crafts maxed at r400, you could level all to reach L80. Now, you need level each discipline to r500 before reaching L80, but two crafts (Jeweler and Chef) only go to 500.
Currently, maxing out every discipline costs over 1,000 gold (source: gw2crafts). That’s the equivalent of 12,500 gems (if you convert to gold) or 8,333 gems (if you buy gems with gold). Somehow, I don’t see too many people willing to spend that kind of coin/cash on leveling to 80.
You won’t get to 80. But you can get decent amount of level. If you have a lvl20 scroll it’ll be even easier.
and gw2craft isn’t entirely accurate. A few people manage to get 400→500 in their craft without even spending anything. Obviously they are selling items with very few loss or even profit so it take a while.
If you just lvl all 8 crafting displine to 400, you’ll still get 56 level. It ain’t so bad.
No offense, but these threads never end well.
ArenaNet will (justifiably) never tell.
About half the players will tell you high numbers.
The other half will tell you very few.
In the end, it will just be the “game is dying” and “game is just fine” groups arguing with one another one more time.
No real point (again, no offense to the OP intended).
When the Chinese GW2 publisher was referencing the GW2 population, I told people how unrealistic the concurrent players number is. And everyone start bashing me on reddit.
If you take a game like Eve, they only have 1/10th of concurrent players compare to their subscriber at any given time.
Also if you have an account with low AP. You’ll notice a huge percent of players very low AP with the scoring board(I’m not sure if you can still do it now)
You’ll never know the answer, unless Anet are willing to release number. The only thing I can say is GW2 is still one of the top played mmorpg on the market right now. That is obvious.
You can already level up with crafting… So I think having a lvl80 scroll wont’ really affect anything. Anet should consider adding it to the gem store.
Maybe for like 1600 gem or so.
I ran casual runs for a while on low level
But most of the low level people are quitters, whinners, complainers. They basically compalin and quits when ever anything go slightly wrong. Because honestly why would anyone spend an hour running AC… It is just not time worth it.
The moral of the story is you don’t need to be experienced to be a kitten. There are as many kitten in low level players as well as hardcore players.
So should I make a new thread called the precursor I want is too expensive.
I fail to understand the point of this discussion.
The whole point to this is that there’s nothing wrong with current Precursor prices. All Precursors have the same drop rate as other Precursors. One you can buy for 90 Gold, the other you can buy for 1,500 Gold. All the complaints about Anet not “fixing” the market come from people who don’t understand the market.
ya but, you are talking something about elementary economics.
you meant to tell me Anet have no idea about “human psychology” and “market research” that an item like Dusk is going to be really really expensive? (compare to torch legendary)
I have 2 account. Dont’ find too much use for it.
If you are a hardcore player, you can use it to bypass diminishing return. For example do the same dungeon twice in the same day and get reward for it.
Or you can play your second account when waiting for Tequalt or event like that.
But other than that, I dont’ find too much use for it. I find it more a chore to have 2 account. It take so much time to manage 1 account already.
We have too many silk… That’s what people complain about… See what happened now.
I don’t think Anet intended farm key to be the norm. I think for the chinese server you actually need to be lvl10 to do personal story (unconfirmed), so you can’t even farm key on chinese server.
If Anet really want to sell their black lion key, they should remove key farming. That being said, key farming does provide content players can do, and more content is always better.
It was a thread made for the sole purpose of riling up others.
No this is a thread that was to prove with evidence that the general statement of “Precursors are overpriced” was incorrect, which it is. Smooth Penguin is correct. Precursors prices are an effect of supply/demand. Who are these people who got “riled up”? The people who are wrongly stating that “precursor prices are too high”?
I dont get angry or “riled up” when I find out I am wrong about something, I learn from it.
In all fairness a junk precursor 99.99% of the people dont’ want being 90 gold is actually over priced.
That being said if legendary is easy to get it is no longer prestigious.
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I think you overlooked explorable dungeons and Fractals.
I think that is exactly that. People get sick of using the same explorable dungeon armor they have 1 month into the release of the game.
But regardless people will still complain if they can’t get something by their playstyle.
The pro Anet reason is market manipulation, gold sink. I played a game with similar system except there is no discrepancy(tax) involved. And every time there’s new cash shop item, the price of gem will jump hugely, since players can set any price they want. Obviously GW2 have this problem also, but the price is a bit more stable.
The negative Anet reason is they just want your money. The lesser gold they give to real life payer, the more real cash players need to spend to buy things they want. And the higher gold->gem price is more people are willing to spend real cash instead of farming money for gem.
This is false. You cannot choose the price at which you sell your gems. There’s an internal algorithm that prevents people from buying up masses and immediately selling those gems for a profit, hence the disparity in the two prices.
I didn’t say GW2, I mean I played another game with similar system where gem(or ruby/diamond/pearl/orichalcum whatever currency that game use) price is self regulated by players, and the price usually sky rocket right after a cash shop sale.
This kind of problem happens before, when people fail events. Anet never banned anyone. What they did is change the event so people will no longer fail it on purpose. So get it while you can, because Anet will nerf it soon.
I think the most problem is with completionist who want to “collect everything”.
Honestly, there are so much armor/weapon skin in this game, I dont’ think you need to worry about not getting 1 of it.
I usually just salvage it. It just take too much time(effort), you are better of not wasting time doing it. There are faster way to make money, instead of worrying about selling blue/green.
Unless the blue/green just happened to be popular(for example lvl35 green armor), you are better of just salvaging it.
If you need crystalline dust, I suggest you salvage ecto, because you can also gain some luck point.
You won’t really loss much money(if any). It only get expensive if you are buying ectos, salvage ectos, and sell the crystaline dust. Because there are 15% tax.
Anet did create lots of pve armor… in the cashshop.
if they make cool pve armor no one will need to buy the one in cashshop.
Personally, I feel like armor skins with a little/different particle effect isn’t substantial enough for winners of an international tournament. :/ Isn’t there like a cash prize or something for them instead?
I don’t mind if they’d introduce convention skins for attendees of the tournament though.
There’s also a modest cash prize of $50,000 to winning teams.Edit: er, my bad, the teams fight for a prize pool of $50,000. So unless the teams actually get sponsors or perform exceptionally well, participants will probably barely be able to cover their travel expenses with the winnings.
I honestly dont’ know how travel cost. But I think 10,000 is enough to cover the cost.
The problem is the team not winning anything can’t cover the travel cost.
If you are bothered with it, you need to patient and wait for sale.
I don’t see anything Anet did wrong, except treat it like a business.
you can gamble for precursor, and there are people gambling for it, so it is hard to “control” the precursor price.
If anyone is to blame you need to blame Anet. They put up highly desirable item and make it very hard to get.
The pro Anet reason is market manipulation, gold sink. I played a game with similar system except there is no discrepancy(tax) involved. And every time there’s new cash shop item, the price of gem will jump hugely, since players can set any price they want. Obviously GW2 have this problem also, but the price is a bit more stable.
The negative Anet reason is they just want your money. The lesser gold they give to real life payer, the more real cash players need to spend to buy things they want. And the higher gold->gem price is more people are willing to spend real cash instead of farming money for gem.
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So should I make a new thread called the precursor I want is too expensive.
I fail to understand the point of this discussion.
I don’t think it is completely fair to say other mmorpg are doing worse than GW2 though.
Those other mmorpg are probably making even more money.
The thing is the price/performance ratio of GW2 is simply amazing. There are so many people that are able to play for free after the initial 60$. Other f2p games have too many restriction or just try too hard to force players to pay.
So even if GW2 is able to sustain players, you need to ask how many of those are because there are too many freebies.
3764 gold included tickets+ dye, minis, and the trading post contract. Without those the ticket is only 3100.
I personally think it is totally not worth it to spend gold or real cash on the black lion key. And we have a double drop rate event. Without the event you’ll be spending 10k gold for 2k gold return.
I dont’ know why you keep advertising for Anet Behellagh.
After converting he has 62 tickets. Best 7 ticket is is 430g and best 5 ticket is 360g. So eight, 7 ticket and one 5 ticket is 3800g while twelve, 5 ticket skins are 4320g. So I don’t know where you get 3100g. Heck best one ticket skin is 100g. That’s 6300g but I doubt the price can be maintained at 100g for that many, even if sold only one at a time as to not flood the supply.
Just because something is selling for that price dont’ mean that item is worth that price. Some of those old black lion weapon have very low supply, so players are selling for any price they want. Or they are selling for that price because they hope in a few month or year it’ll rise to that price.
You might as well say the OP have 3100 worth of black lion ticket that is worth 10k in 1 year.
If that’s the case, if someone have 10k gold why not just buy 10k worth of black lion weapons on the trading post.
3764 gold included tickets+ dye, minis, and the trading post contract. Without those the ticket is only 3100.
I personally think it is totally not worth it to spend gold or real cash on the black lion key. And we have a double drop rate event. Without the event you’ll be spending 10k gold for 2k gold return.
I dont’ know why you keep advertising for Anet Behellagh.
After converting he has 62 tickets. Best 7 ticket is is 430g and best 5 ticket is 360g. So eight, 7 ticket and one 5 ticket is 3800g while twelve, 5 ticket skins are 4320g. So I don’t know where you get 3100g. Heck best one ticket skin is 100g. That’s 6300g but I doubt the price can be maintained at 100g for that many, even if sold only one at a time as to not flood the supply.
I don’t know why you keep putting ANet down laokoko. I guess you hate lock boxes/grab bags.
My opening paragraph did say it wasn’t worth it if you bought keys with either cash or gold. If you don’t care about makeover kits or uni dyes or minis or backpacks then you wouldn’t be farming for keys because the gold per hour rate is relatively low even if you can farm 4 keys in an hour, that’s still only 7gph.
I didnt’ make up those number, the OP wrote those number.
If you mean there are some old black lion weapon that is selling high at the trading post… the reason they are still up there because they are not easy to sell.
And Anet really like events, so you never know they’ll put another event which reduce ticket cost for old weapon like they had one before.
I don’t know what you mean by me putting Anet down. I’m telling people if they have lots of money they are better of not gambling on something that give them bad odds. They could have just buy things directly from the trading post.
You probably look more suspicious. I don’t know why some players care how much money Anet makes to give people advice that they’ll loss lots of money.
What did I say wrong? I said it is ok if you want to treat the RNG box as lottery, but you are better of not spending lots of money or cash on it, because the return is really really bad.
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3764 gold included tickets+ dye, minis, and the trading post contract. Without those the ticket is only 3100.
I personally think it is totally not worth it to spend gold or real cash on the black lion key. And we have a double drop rate event. Without the event you’ll be spending 10k gold for 2k gold return.
I dont’ know why you keep advertising for Anet Behellagh.
If you are salvaging for personal use, I think it is pretty good. Since you also get luck from it.
If you are “buying” ecto, and resale the crystaline dust to boost luck%… You’ll loss quite a lot of money from the 15% tax.
I don’t want to argue about inflation. But if you don’t think Anet purposely makes the game more tolerable at the start, and gradually make it more grindy so they can boost sales, I think you are a fool.
That is what every gem shop game do. At the beginning they just try to get people hook to the game. When people are hook, they make adjustment so more people are willing to spend real money. Obviously going too far might backfire, since they’ll loss too many players.
To be fair, you’ll never get anything if you never open a chest. You have the chance to get something if you do open a chest. Is it likely? No, of course not, but someone will get lucky. It’s like playing the lottery. You can’t win if you don’t play. And if you’re not playing, then don’t be all jealous when someone else wins.
I don’t have a problem people farming key or buying lottery.
I’m only suggesting if people intend to spend lots of real money or ingame gold on black lion key… don’t.
Look at the cost of 1000 key. That is 84,000 Gems or 10,650 Gold. And look at the return, 3,700 gold returned.
If you really want a black lion weapon, or permanent license, you are much better of buying it directly from the trading post, instead of throwing “large sum of money” away. Since the odds is against you.
If I told you let’s flip a coin, if it is head give me 5 dollar, if it is tail I’ll give you 1 dollar. You won’t bet with me right?
Wait, so posting a lot on an internet forum for a game and arguing in favor of that game makes you a suspect for being an undercover employee? What exactly are “fans” then?
Not that Vayne even sounds like some kind of “fanboy” to me. I see what he’s doing and I understand it because I’ve done it before; he’s fighting for an ideal (in this case, treating people like people and being realistic). He probably doesn’t have any investment beyond that. One doesn’t need any investment beyond that.
What you guys are doing by saying that he is an undercover Anet employee is called “Circumstantial Ad Hominem.” Rather than addressing his arguments independent of his motivations, you’re trying to destroy his credibility, so that his arguments will be destroyed in the process. It is asinine and childish.
If his arguments are incorrect, you need only demonstrate how.
I’m in no position say he is. I’m saying it’s possible. The possibility maybe really “really” low. I’m not targeting anyone. I’m saying it is very possible for game studio to do that right?
Take the fan voting on mmorpg to score games. Do you really believe those number aren’t tempered at all?
Or take for example there is a guy who do 50 negative post on GW2 everyday on mmorpg.com. Obviously that guy could be a hater, but quite honestly, I always suspect that guy have wow stock or something.
The truth is I have suspect people before. That’s that. And quite honestly, to defend Vayne a bit, I dont’ really think he is hired by Anet. Just because I don’t think Anet would hire someone who would cause a disturb on the forum. Did I suspect him before, yes, but I don’t think he is very professional if he is really hired by Anet. So I think he’s just a passionate player.
could it possibly Anet actually want things to be expensive? Making things more grindy does boost cash shop sells.
That’s what all the cash shop mmorpg games do. I’m not sure why people Anet is any different.
If I were an Anet employee why would I be trashing the new trait system, or even saying Anet needs to talk more here? Maybe you’re doing here what others in this thread are doing to Anet employees.
I don’t’ know why you think you said any “harsh criticism” about Anet. What you said about the new trait system or this post is no where even close to criticism. Some of them more inline called suggestion.
It’s almost like you make GW2 sounds so amazing, any remote suggestion from you is called criticism.
You know when you trash other games? That’s harsh criticism.
You know when poster like me or many others says negative things about GW2? Those are harsh criticism. And you are very eager to defend.
Have I ever suspect you are affiliated with NCsoft, sure i have. That’s understandable because your behavior does make you look like it. There are thousands of people throwing out misleading market information on the stock market. That’st what people do. But obviously that’s just suspecting. You could very well be just a guy who is very passionate about GW2. There is no way of telling. If I would to spend 24/7 talking trash about GW2 on the forum, people would suspect me to be ghost writer for other game company too. Obviously that could be false too, I could just be a hater who like to complain. But you shouldn’t be surprise people suspect you.
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I don’t know what the big deal with legendary is.
Obviously I want one, but not to the extend some other players will go through.
I remember back in the cof farming days, I would do 7 hours a day cof run with some friends. They probably find farming pretty boring, so everyday they’ll complain about how boring it is, yet their continue farming on and on just for the legendary. When I told them I dont’ really care about legendary, they’ll ask me why am I farming, and keep asking me over and over again… “is it fun”.
I suppose none of them find it fun, so after they get their legendary… “all of them quit the game”.
If getting a legendary is the sole reason for you to play the game, and you don’t enjoy the farming… I suggest you find a different game.
This time last year, I loved logging in and running around seeing the same guilds and the same people, it gave the server life and meaning. At one point I wanted to transfer to Tarnished Coast solely because their population was so friendly and very helpful. Now, let’s fast forward to the present. Everything feels so synthetic; whereas before the megaserver, everything felt natural. With the exception of WvW, it truly feels the only people you will be bonding with is your current guild/friends.
Do not get me wrong, this is not a complaint. Anet probably gets tired of hearing stuff like this. This is simply feedback.
A solution would be to revert servers back to the way they were, and create new servers that are megaservers.
Anet probably get tired of people complaining how dead/empty their server is, that’s why they make the change. If they revert back, the players will get split up again.
Wanna know something funny? Its sad seeing FF14 and wildstar top GW2, especially the former. That game has been bleeding surscribers since launch.
I cannot take these data w/o a grain a salt since it does not show total player base, but if games like FF14 and heck even D3 have a larger player games like GW2….well kitten.
I don’t know where you are getting at. Consider every game you named are in the top online role playing game, it’s not bad to be in those category.
who keep green runes in their bank honestly o_o
I collect them up and toss them in the Flusher about once a week….the bank is a logical place to keep them as I have no idea when or on what character I will be when I desire to go rune & sigil flushing….
The problem here is that very few players actually UNDERSTAND what a 0.25% drop rate MEANS. It does NOT mean you open 400 chests and get the item from one of them. It means you rolled a 400 sided die 400 times and never got a 400…..very possible.
I dont’ want to be harsh or anything. Why do people keep spreading the 1/400 rumors. Do you own NCSoft stock or something, or affiliate with Anet in anyway?
Or did the developer or anyone ever said the rate is 1/400.
The number of chest that’s been open on wiki or youtube is in the thousands. maybe like 5000+, there have never been any permanent license drop. And that sounds right because if you compare the velocity of black lion weapons to the permanent license. The rate is low.
So why exactly do you say the rate is 1/400. And do you mean the chance to get a permenant hair is 1/400, or the chance of getting a type of permanent license is 1/400.
I’m not sure how realistic is the part “if you try to get the perma kit with BL keys”
If you really trying to get it. using gold is more realistic.
Where did the permanent kit you’re buying with gold come from?
The reason why there are any at all to sell is because there are people trying to get it with BL keys.
You know there are people who use black lion keys before they added permanent hair style as a drop. Weather that boost key farming or gem store sale I don’t know.
Irrelevant. There were no permanent stylists for months, now there are several. They came from BL chests, and were found recently. I don’t need JS’s database to tell me that the addition of a “grand prize” worth thousands of gold would encourage people to buy more keys.
I’m suggesting if you want to buy lottery go ahead. For a item that have drop rate of 0.01%(and I’m exaggerating, it’s probably even lower). If you are serious of buying it with real money, sell gem and buy it with gold.
The chance to get a permanent license is already rediculously low. And the chance of getting a hair is like 1/4 (that’s assume they all have the same chance).
I think the irrelevant part is if there are other people willing to gamble let them… the odd is so bad, you are better of not gamble. I learned the hard lesson with the RNG dye pack.
And you can’t even blame Anet for the RNG stuff. Take the dye pack for example, the average cost on getting a rare dye is so expensive. I dont’ understand why people are selling them so cheaply in the trading post.
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I know how some players think GW2 was doomed or complaining about the lack of improvement… blah blah blah
the thing is other games are doing pretty terrible too, because GW2’s ratting is even better than most of them…
The only game in the past few years, that have actaully improved after launch is FF14… But that is probably because their launch is pretty terrible.
I’m boring enough to take the liberty doing nothing but asking people’s player level when doign queensdale train.
no queensdale train does not split much of T5 or T6 material. Since most people are smart enough to only do queensdale when they are lower level.
If they really want higher level material, they would have do frostgauge train. But either way, those train are nerfed and gone.
I’m not sure how realistic is the part “if you try to get the perma kit with BL keys”
If you really trying to get it. using gold is more realistic.
Where did the permanent kit you’re buying with gold come from?
The reason why there are any at all to sell is because there are people trying to get it with BL keys.
You know there are people who use black lion keys before they added permanent hair style as a drop. Weather that boost key farming or gem store sale I don’t know.
Yes you will. I’ve played normally at earned at least 10 gold a night without really trying.
That is like getting a legendary after playing a year without actually spending any money for other things
I think the unrealistic things is you wont’ spend money on other things.
Getting at least 10 gold a day adds up. And I have spent money on other things such as ascended weapons and armor. The thing is that I know how to manage my money and set goals.
All the people I used to farm money with quit the game after they get their legendary. I’m not sure what silly goal it is. Doing things they don’t like for a piece of skin.
If they dont’ like the game, they should quit before they get their legendary.
Yes you will. I’ve played normally at earned at least 10 gold a night without really trying.
That is like getting a legendary after playing a year without actually spending any money for other things
I think the unrealistic things is you wont’ spend money on other things.
^ so you still dont’ think people would craft an ascended gear and apply legendary skin to it?
Anyway good luck. People have been asking for lots of things, some of them Anet actually implemented, most of the things they didn’t.
I’m more wondering what precursor crafting is like.
Currently the way to craft(gamble) precursor is get a bunch of rare weapons with tier5 material and flood into the mystic toilet.
So my guess is the future precursor crafting system just might be farm “a rediculous amount of tier 5 material” into a precursor.