Isn’t it rediculously expensive to buy black lion key. So it is probably more like 10 gold each instead of 1 gold…
it is a good idea though for gold sink. I think GW2 need more kind of gold sink other than TP tax.
Except they aren’t skins anymore. Anet has made them into what are supposed to be the best weapons that should never need to be replaced. The problem is you are better off replacing them with ascended…. We can’t go backwards so we might as well go forwards and make them the end all be all weapons they are supposed to be.
Yes and Anet says they want the best gear to be easily obtainable and if anyone want pretty skins and willing to farm or grind till infinity that’s their problem.
I don’t know what you mean by you are better of replacing them with ascended. You are suppose to use ascended and just apply the skin to it, Because it is just a skin
No you see the weapon lets you select any stat combination. It used to just be a skin when they were exotic. They have made it into something more whether you like it or not. People like to use selectable stats and BiS as a reason why legendaries are so special, but the problem is they are not that special because you can only put one sigil in the legendary. So if any build you might want to change to has a different sigil you have to destroy your old sigil to use an ideal build. If anet is willing to say there is no value in the legendary weapon beyond the skin and that we should all make ascended weapons instead of using our legendary then I guess I’m okay with that. If they believe there is value, and they told me as much then they need to update legendaries so we can swap sigils without destruction or they are worse than making many ascended weapons and many times more expensive.
and anet will probably keep ignoring you, weather you like it or not.
They are good at that, but I’ll keep trying… as long as there is weather I like?
Have you tried sending in customer support, asking them to add it because you think legendary is more than just a skin?
quite honestly, I just think they just got tired of answering players question why their legendary weapon have the stats they don’t want.
You do realize how ridiculous your argument is, right? “They never said BiS, but they used a term that means the exact same thing”. Wow. Really? Utterly ridiculous.
Nothing ridiculous about it. In fact it’s clever because overly assuming people make their own interpretations of what ‘best statistical’ means and Anet can balk on their plans because of players misunderstanding what they meant. Clearly, it’s working on you. If I was Anet, I would claim that Ascended was best statistical gear because of stats AND relative ease of crafting it. You’re just being narrow minded in your interpretation because it fits your stance.
Well, before GW2 is out, all people spam about on the forum is telling people like me the best gear is easy to get, and there will be no new tier. Obviously Anet never said anything.
Also, I don’t think people should take things said in the “Manifesto” too much, obviously they say lot of thing to get people to buy the game, like every advertisement too.
Anet is a business after all, and they would say whatever things to benefit themselves, like when they say “an expansion worth of content”, obviously they are under pressure to keep people playing. And some time giving players hope will keep them a little longer, and maybe the players invest enough time in the game that they wont’ quit.
Except they aren’t skins anymore. Anet has made them into what are supposed to be the best weapons that should never need to be replaced. The problem is you are better off replacing them with ascended…. We can’t go backwards so we might as well go forwards and make them the end all be all weapons they are supposed to be.
Yes and Anet says they want the best gear to be easily obtainable and if anyone want pretty skins and willing to farm or grind till infinity that’s their problem.
I don’t know what you mean by you are better of replacing them with ascended. You are suppose to use ascended and just apply the skin to it, Because it is just a skin
No you see the weapon lets you select any stat combination. It used to just be a skin when they were exotic. They have made it into something more whether you like it or not. People like to use selectable stats and BiS as a reason why legendaries are so special, but the problem is they are not that special because you can only put one sigil in the legendary. So if any build you might want to change to has a different sigil you have to destroy your old sigil to use an ideal build. If anet is willing to say there is no value in the legendary weapon beyond the skin and that we should all make ascended weapons instead of using our legendary then I guess I’m okay with that. If they believe there is value, and they told me as much then they need to update legendaries so we can swap sigils without destruction or they are worse than making many ascended weapons and many times more expensive.
and anet will probably keep ignoring you, weather you like it or not.
To me, in an MMO, End Game, means just that – END OF GAME. Since an MMO should be one where the game can continue on, hence why A.Net is doing these LS2 additions. It makes the world seem alive and growing. I like what they are trying to accomplish not the implementation of it (improvement is needed although LS2 is light years ahead of LS1).
If you think RAIDS, etc are all that needs to be the end of the game then this game’s philosophy is not what you want. You want a WoW philosophy.
I think that’s what people is complaining.
Other games just make a few raid dungeon, or hard dungeon, or battle ground, scenario, people would actually keep playing the game just because of those.
Now come to GW2, those things are not there. Worse, the dev pretty much says they dont’ want to keep making new dungeons because that split the player base. What we are left are mini games, expanded story line etc.
And it is not just about raids. It’s about pvp also. There are much much more people in other games that play pvp, compare to the spvp GW2 have. And GW2 WvW (the only core system they did ok with) is kind of slowing down to me. And mostly people are just farming EOTM instead of really wvwing.
I have to agree. I find that this game is more social, because In other games I have played (cough) WoW ( cough)…if someone is fighting something and dieing, and I jump in to help, there have been times I got yelled at.
Here, I can Jump in and help, and people actually thank me.
Technically they are being social for yelling at you.
Still, I rather not have people around in GW2 if I’m doing map completion, because monster just die too fast that I’m too slow to tag monster.
Obviously I like to have people around if I’m fighting champions.
I don’t think likely.
The reason is they’ll most likely bring it back again when the price get high, so they can sell more black lion key.
I think one of the problem is there really isn’t too many gold sink in this game, trading post fee is pretty much the gold sink.
If they would to allow peer-to-peer trading, they would have to design more than just the trade window, they have to redesign the whole economy.
That’s pretty much what the dev’s post says.
I really don’t see why Anet need to talk to us.
I remember the WoW forum or Diablo 3 forum. It was full of complaints on the same topic everyday. The dev didn’t really talk to the players much. But in the end, what I notice is at their next big patch or expansions, they always address the issues.
When Anet was doing the Collaborative Development Initiative(CDI), I just wonder to myself why is it even necessary. People complaints are always the same, some people are making fun that you can make forum complaint bingo because the complaint are always the same. Does Anet not know what people are complaining?
If you think legendary weapons are just skins, make one, account bound it, then delete it. Post a youtube video of you doing so on here I dare you.
Some people really doesn’t have brains and like to trivialise other’s efforts.
If you are so freaking poor you can’t craft another ascended weapon and apply the skin to it, dont’ get a legendary.
Except they aren’t skins anymore. Anet has made them into what are supposed to be the best weapons that should never need to be replaced. The problem is you are better off replacing them with ascended…. We can’t go backwards so we might as well go forwards and make them the end all be all weapons they are supposed to be.
Yes and Anet says they want the best gear to be easily obtainable and if anyone want pretty skins and willing to farm or grind till infinity that’s their problem.
I don’t know what you mean by you are better of replacing them with ascended. You are suppose to use ascended and just apply the skin to it, Because it is just a skin
I dont’ see the big deal with trading spam.
Most games with well designed trading system actually dont’ have much scam. The few ones with bad programmers got pretty bad.
but whatever, it’s probably best for Anet not to have a trading system, so they dont’ need to spend money on customer support.
do you think there are less scamming because there is no face to face trading?
there are probably more scamming. Just that Anet will tell people that’s non of their business if people are stupid enough to send item through mail.
No. We don’t need another reason for legendary weapons to become more and more common. They’re already becoming pennies in a coin jar at this point, but we dont need more of them because you no longer need to buy sigils.
It would only make them equivelent to ascended. Right now they are effectivley worse because it costs more to make a legendary than the several ascended weapons you need for multiple build. Not to mention each ascended weapon gets a good sigil for that build.
At one point Legendaries had the same stats as exotics. Let’s keep that in mind.
Let’s also keep in mind that Legendaries “will always be equivalent to the highest tier of stats available” on top of its added QoL stuff like stats swapping.
My point is that without this change the stat swapping isn’t very useful.
That’s the point. If you really want a different stats, craft another ascended weapon and add in the sigil like everyone else.
The stat swapping shouldn’t be there in the first place. You already got what you want for a legendary weapon, which is the skin.
I don’t mind if ascended gear can stats or sigil swap too. But if legendary can do it… It’s like you are crafting legendary to save money.
I dont’ think the stats/sigil swapping is big now. But if they added legendary armor etc. And you can swap a full sets of gear. That is quite big. People’ll actually get it for the convenient and not the skin.
Well anet decided that the value of a legendary is more than a skin. I was told this by customer support. Anet went half way with swapping, now they need to finish the deal with sigils.
ya whatever. they most likely only added stats swapping because they dont’ want to spend customer support on people who dont’ know how to use transmuatation stone.
No. We don’t need another reason for legendary weapons to become more and more common. They’re already becoming pennies in a coin jar at this point, but we dont need more of them because you no longer need to buy sigils.
It would only make them equivelent to ascended. Right now they are effectivley worse because it costs more to make a legendary than the several ascended weapons you need for multiple build. Not to mention each ascended weapon gets a good sigil for that build.
At one point Legendaries had the same stats as exotics. Let’s keep that in mind.
Let’s also keep in mind that Legendaries “will always be equivalent to the highest tier of stats available” on top of its added QoL stuff like stats swapping.
My point is that without this change the stat swapping isn’t very useful.
That’s the point. If you really want a different stats, craft another ascended weapon and add in the sigil like everyone else.
The stat swapping shouldn’t be there in the first place. You already got what you want for a legendary weapon, which is the skin.
I don’t mind if ascended gear can stats or sigil swap too. But if legendary can do it… It’s like you are crafting legendary to save money.
I dont’ think the stats/sigil swapping is big now. But if they added legendary armor etc. And you can swap a full sets of gear. That is quite big. People’ll actually get it for the convenient and not the skin.
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legendaries is just skins right?
make another ascended weapon. put in the proper sigil and add the skin to it.
Once the skins get depleted from the trading post.
This will never happen.
well, once it supply get pretty low. Maybe like right now.
It really is possible they’ll release it again just to boost their sales, like they did with everything else.
Guild Wars 2 isn’t the perfect game for me by a long shot. It’s simply the best that’s out there now. But when I walked through that tunnel into the new part of Dry Top with the sand storm on…that was pretty kitten ed immersive to me.
That’s a bold statement.
The crazy thing is that I’d happily part with cash to buy weapon tickets outright, and I don’t think I’m alone in that. Buying a lottery ticket though? Nah, I don’t want the skins that much.
Still, as long as people continue to buy keys, nothing will change.
ya but you can still buy the skin from the trading post, can’t you?
I think it’s possible. Once the skins get depleted from the trading post. They’ll re-release again to boost cash shop sale.
“2 week only! Skins from past Halloween event will be available for sales through black lion claim ticket, buy your black lion key today!”… or something like that.
Welcome back Vayne.
How do you think GW2 is doing now. You keep telling people the game will get better a year ago. I honestly didn’t see too much change though.
I think that’s the point. If they make it available for all character, no one will purchase another harvest tool, or area pass again.
Skins are a different story. If you purchase a skin, you may still want another skin. For things like harvest tool, very few people are reluctant to buy more than 1 if they make it available for all charcters.
dont’ worry. Anet will just nerf it again like they always do because people are complaining about farmers failing events.
There is the tax, gold sink.
And there is the problem with scamming with face to face trading. I saw some pretty big game company which can’t even make proper trading windows.
Spam.
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They might as well disable sending mail if they dont’ want people to trade.
Just a side note, if you try to get the Perma kit with BL keys, you will likely end up with a decent number of the normal kits (and Full makeover kits too).
I’m not sure how realistic is that.
…..That you can get the normal (1 use) kits? It’s very realistic as the ones in my storage attest to. I have NO intention of spending RL money or my gold for vanity items like these (but I WILL use them if they drop in my lap from me doing BL key runs as a side hobby).
I’m not sure how realistic is the part “if you try to get the perma kit with BL keys”
If you really trying to get it. using gold is more realistic.
All that happens is the players with the worse server end up never getting map completion because they get zerged trying to. You can’t even get a single vista or a thief shows up to waste your 5 minutes walking to it. It really demotivates me from my goal to craft a legendary when I practically have to pay to server switch for world completion.
I think the problem is you think being wasted 5 minutes is a big deal. No one is boring enough to camp a vista 24/7. If you die just walk back, if he is still there, wait an hour to try again.
Just a side note, if you try to get the Perma kit with BL keys, you will likely end up with a decent number of the normal kits (and Full makeover kits too).
I’m not sure how realistic is that. The drop rate is so low, it is probably less than 1 in 10,000. Because even if you get a permanent contract, it can be any of the merchant, bank, trader, or hair.
If you follow close to the wiki or youtube video. Probably 5,000 chest opened, and 0 permanent contract of any sort dropped.
The data seemed to be accurate because people have been complaining about the pathetic drop rate of black lion ticket or ticket scraps. The ticket scrap have a drop rate of 1/5, I’m not so sure on ticket. So 50 chest probably give you 1.5 black lion weapon ticket. If it take that many chest open to generate a black lion weapon. And consider black lion weapon is a much more common item than permanent license on the trading post, you’ll see the drop rate of permanent contract is extremely low.
I’m not even saying black lion key is trash like most other people claims. Because you actually make some money back from black lion ticket, and like you said, some kits or name changing contract etc.
And right now there is an event the black lion chest have double the chance for ticket and scrap. So actually buying black lion key is not so bad.
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Please stop BSing about the 1/400 drop rate. It’s probably not even 1 in 4000.
2) there are other methods of obtaining skins besides BL chests
Ahem excuse me no, that is the only way you can get your hands on a skin without buying it.
That’s like saying if I want to drink milk I need to feed a cow.
If you mean as a mmorpg the reward for adventuring etc is lackster. I do agree though.
You may find it challenging, but another speedrun is doing the dungeon easily in farm mode. I suppose that’s why they dont’ make it repeatable.
And since very few people are willing to spend time on this dungeon for a lottery ticket to get the skin, chances are Anet won’t bother to make new dungeon like this any time soon.
I remember when the aetherblade dungeon come out. There is a bunch of complain thread about berserker got 1 shotted by Mai Trin.
Unless Anet makes it “impossible” to complete dungeons with a full zerker group. I suppose the answer is no, zerker will always be the best gear set. And if you die with wearing zerker, people will just tell you to stop kittening.
Here is an example using small numbers to illustrate why the method they currently use is good for generating revenue:
1. Directly selling skins
1a. 100 people buy the skikitten0 each.
1b. Total revenue = $1,0002. Indirectly selling skins via tickets
2a. 1000 people buy a ticket at $2 each.
2b. Total revenue = $2,000You make more money selling something very cheap to a LOT of people than you do selling something that costs more to a few people.
That is why Black Lion Keys exist.
I think the math is more like 10 people spend a few hundred dollar buying keys. And most of the skins aren’t even bought with cash.
If the drop rate is so bad, players are to blame for this, why sell black lion weapon so cheap.
The permanent kits aren’t a prestige item. People either want them because they like to frequently customize their characters or because they hope to make a lot of gold selling them.
Waffles, I think they’ve topped out. The only reason to keep them is if you’re worried about inflation. That is, they will increase in price, but no more than the rate of inflation. Then you only have to worry about Anet coming up with more ways to obtain them.
I’m surprise Anet even release them. Obviously if more people have the permanent contract, people will be less likely to buy the temporary ones.
That being said, the drop rate is probably just so low, that only a few people will be able to acquire them in the 2 week. And it’ll temporary boost key sales a bit.
Sounds like you believe that they only have X available as oppose to a small percent chance.
The chance is so small, there will be only X available. Assuming it is inline with the other permanent license.
farming karma is even a more daunting task
well you know what they said about GW2. There is no end game.
I kind of stop playing GW2, so not exactly how many of it have been listed.
My guess there would probably be around 20 permanent hair license being available for sold from the 2 weeks. That is just my guess number. Maybe more drops but the person decide to keep it. (obviously very inaccurate guess number using the velocity of other permanent license as data).
I don’t think the BLC is too terrible. There are some half decent item, which when you get you might be happy… Like I got a name change contract, or makeover kit that will cost me lot of money if I buy with gems.
That being said, if you dont’ like the BLC, just use real gold to buy your skin. I don’t know what the problem is.
Must admit i took the 1000 gems for 15 keys deal + 1 short evening of key farming.
21 keys used andi was very lucky to get 1 black lion ticket. Now ofc that is nice, but realizing you need like 30-70 scraps for a cool skin is like omg.. You get a scrap 1/10 chest maybe? Really there is far too much useless stuff in there. Why not put in the real skins?I used 17 keys and got 1 and 7 scraps… And today I opened a chest and got 2 scraps. That’s what random chance does. As I had opened about 20 chests somewhere last month (duh!) after hoarding keys for a few months (I have a lot of characters….) and got 5 scraps from them….
Obviously random is random. But there is also something called probability.
I don’t think the rate for scraps is as low as 1 in 10. Probably more like 1 in 5.
Check the web. There is quite large sample size to get a “fairly” accurate drop rate.
The ley line weapons are decent skins that I’m sure many people would buy outright.
As they are now, RNG weapons are really just a horrible attempt at monetization.
Currently the skins are around 50g each. Only taking 7.5g out of the economy when they’re sold. (with the 15% tax)
By comparison:
Kasmeer’s staff skin was 600 Gems.Assuming 13g to buy 100 Gems, each skin would take 78g out of the economy (thus providing a very nice gold sink for people with loads of gold.)
That’s 10x more gold taken out of the economy PER SKIN.
Conversely, it would also encourage sensible people to actually buy Gems. (Any reasonable person should acknowledge that Black Lion Keys are a waste of cash.)
Currently, you can (on a good day) get 10g per 100 Gems. That’s just 500 Gems (or $6) per skin. (Less total cash in ANet’s pocket than simply selling the skins at 600 Gems each.)
TL;DR:
BLC drop rates are pathetic (like real-life gambling)
The game’s economy and ArenaNet’s coffers would be better served by simply selling skins.
You do realize the gem exchange also supply gold to the economy.
So in order for 1 person to spend 78 gold to buy 600 gems. There is also another person selling 600 gems and induce 56 gold to the economy.
Obviously the tax rate is larger. And some of what I said probably isn’t entirely true (since Anet never says for ever 1 gem bought, there is 1 gem sold in the gem exchange. But the gem exchange also supply gold to the economy.
It’s already there. Use your laurel to trade for t6 material and buy precursor.
It is a bit better this way, since that’ll also stabilize the price of t6 material.
The market might get scary if there is a huge supply of precusor without the ability to stabalize other crafting material.
It will do anything but stabilize the price. There’s barely enough supply for 20 people on the TP right now. When that gets wiped out within minutes of people getting their precursors, what price do you think all of the newly added crafting materials will be put for? Also, 1 laurel gives you one bag which contains only 3 of the T6 fine materials. You need 250 of each.
Have you thought this through?
I honestly didn’t think too much of it. Basically just saying what Wanze already said. If you increase the precursor supply directly all the other crafting material will sky rocket.
Besides that laurel is just money, people who want to trade laurel for precursor can already do so. That’ll also increase the t6 material on the market, the price is already pretty expensive right?
It’s already there. Use your laurel to trade for t6 material and buy precursor.
It is a bit better this way, since that’ll also stabilize the price of t6 material.
The market might get scary if there is a huge supply of precusor without the ability to stabalize other crafting material.
Unfortunately, we need DPS on the boss fight. If you’re unable to meet the group’s standards, the vote kick is our option. This is no offense to you as a player, but just the group needing someone who can contribute more.
And just how do you know who is doing the most / least DPS? In WoW we had DPS metres in add-ons, but they don’t exist here do they? So surely it’s just assumption about DPS.
I recently saw a video where a Necro matched a Warrior for DPS. The thousand blades was matched with Life Blast on a glass cannon Necro.
If you got kicked Penguin, would you just shrug your shoulders and say “Well that’s fair, I must have been doing the lowest DPS”?
I think it’s the part he want to use longbow for the grubs and insist stealth is useful there.
I don’t know why you keep saying chance are 1/400.
I saw wiki’s that keep updating the drop chance over the past years. It’s more like a few thousands results gathered and I’ve never seen a permanent license drop.
There is only 1 official wiki, so by saying this I had assumed you checked it and then compared it to YOUR drop experiences, which is always a bad idea.
I then decided to say that they DO drop and are droppable, since you went on to say that they don’t drop based on your personal belief.
Nowhere did anyone ask for a source.
Do you even know what math means? I never say they don’t drop. The drop rate obviously isn’t 1/400 “for each” type. That means you have 3/400 chances to get 1 of any types. That would mean 7-8 permanent license drops for every 1000 box open.
The wiki is updated every patch and a few thousands box have been opened already. Also the youtube videos with a few thousands box opened. None of them have it drop ANY permanent license, the guy above me also says none drop from the redditor open(obviously a bit less reliable than wiki or youtube video).
I never say they don’t drop. Obviously they are sold on the TP. "All I want to know is where you get your “most likely made up” 1/400 drop table information from". you said chances is 1/400 right? at least tell us why you think it is 1/400.
I never claim permanent license don’t drop. I’m saying the drop rate must be “very very” low. Look at the stacks of black lion weapon sold on the trading post. And compare that to permanent license.
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Please educate us where you get the number from.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=black+lion+chest&page=1
All I see is someone who is probably a fake Anet representative trying to spread false information.
There are conspiracy theories… and then there are conspiracy theories.
Exactly, but look at what he is typing. the chance is 1/400 for each?
Does he even know what they mean? That means if you’ll average 1 permanent kit for every 133 chest open. Look at the number of black lion weapon sold on the market compare to number of permanent kit sold. (And we are not even including the number of black lion weapon investers hoard).
Here is the loot table for GW2 wiki. And it is updated and redo often for every patch. I checked the results time to time. I’m not sure how many thousands of total results have been gathered. And I don’t think I ever seen 1 permanent kit drop. Nor does any of the youtube video drops.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Black_Lion_Chest/Drop_rate
If you really think the chance is 1/400, at least let people know where you get the number from.
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I don’t know why you keep saying chance are 1/400.
I saw wiki’s that keep updating the drop chance over the past years. It’s more like a few thousands results gathered and I’ve never seen a permanent license drop.
If you dont’ believe go through the list of XXX black lion chest open on youtube, and check how many permanent license drop, pretty much 0.
I dont’ want to put false accusation, but I always get the feeling some marketing person keep come up to forum posting inaccurate results so people will buy those RNG stuff. Well the accusation is probably false, since there are always ignorant players, but it does make me guessing it is possible.
The original hair contracts were only dropped during Wintersday, therefore all of the data gathered on permanent hair contracts were equivalent to 0%.
However, if you look at the drop tables for the other contracts, they’re all floating around 0.25% which is 1/400. I‘m assuming it’s the same as the other contracts. If it’s not, it’s probably lower, not higher.
And to be completely honest, I know they drop. I looted a Black Lion Trader Contract without even knowing they were in the tables during the original release at Wintersday (double chance at the time, although I believe the rates were different back then).
I also looted another Black Lion Trader Contract on the day of the patch.
You can’t see my Personal Trader Express, but he’s in my inventory. If you want proof of them side by side, I can provide it. Either that or you can just say I shopped the image and bought it with real gold along with my original one.
Please educate us where you get the number from.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=black+lion+chest&page=1
All I see is someone who is probably a fake Anet representative trying to spread false information.
I’ve been one of the stupid person that invest alot of money on the dye pack. And really it is “much much” better to just buy it from the auction house, I some how get the impression all dye have equal chance, which is not, I learn it the hard way.
My opinion of the black lion chest is this. If you are after “gold” it is totally not worth it. You most likely won’t recover the gold invest. But it is nice for example a “name contract” or “makeover kit” drop, and you actually need it.
I don’t know why you keep saying chance are 1/400.
I saw wiki’s that keep updating the drop chance over the past years. It’s more like a few thousands results gathered and I’ve never seen a permanent license drop.
If you dont’ believe go through the list of XXX black lion chest open on youtube, and check how many permanent license drop, pretty much 0.
I dont’ want to put false accusation, but I always get the feeling some marketing person keep come up to forum posting inaccurate results so people will buy those RNG stuff. Well the accusation is probably false, since there are always ignorant players, but it does make me guessing it is possible.
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I am playing in Taiwan, I play on the US server. never notice a problem. you don’t have to buy the Chinese version. And there is no special server to pick. Chose anyone you want.