They already have the permanent bank license.
If anet increase the drop rate, it’ll actually be affordable.
Heart of Thorns is NOTHING BUT A GRIND.
You can’t NOT GRIND if you want to progress in the maps. You have to MAX OUT THE GLIDER to use the edy currents in Tangled Depths!
So what does being able to use the “edy currents” do?
Give you a 30 seconds area you can explore? Or 1 more hero points?
Just give it up. Wait for the next expansion. No one will care about the old area anyway.
You get there 10 minutes early but don’t get the way point. I’m not sure what to say.
Either give it up or move on. Or save those money you farm and try to invest in it.
Just like real life, most of the really rich people become rich by investing. So don’t spend every last penny you have. Try to use those money to make money.
That being said, what’s the point of money if you dont’ spend them.
I actually get most of the dungeon skins from spvp.
Unless you have a premade group for arah or you are very familiar with arah. I suggest you just do spvp to get the skins.
Some of the harder dungeon, you are better of getting them from spvp.
I don’t know the rates of keys. But I do have map completion on like 24 characters.
I don’t know if they nerfed the key, but it is pretty normal to get 1/8 keys.
The more Black Lion skins they release, the more I don’t want to buy. There’s too much saturation that it turns me off them. The quality of them is better than your average skin but not to the level of a Legendary. So they often fall short of being something particularly special. Especially since weapons usually signify some sort achievement, be it boss loot, crafted legendary, HoM weapons, specializations collections, etc… Most of what the Black Lion skins have going for them are that they once cost 1 ticket.
I personally only bought a few black lion skins myself.
What I dont’ understand is why are people even complaining. I just get the black lion skins I want. It dont’ bother me there are many other skins that I don’t want.
If Anet is pumping out skins like no tomorrow. You should have more choice. Just get the one you like.
Me personally I get chaos skin, shaodow skin, a few halloween skin look really nice. The other one I just don’t bother.
On the succesful business topic: What criteria defines a succesful business?
When I look for it on google, I find some aspects that Anet failed to deliver.
If all they want is to make profit, no matter the methods, customers will get fed up.
And eventually move to a competitor. The passed months Anet has been following this trend and it might not be that clear due to the sub-par MMO’s that have been released this year, but some good ones are on their way.
Reality is many people play GW2 because they are sick of the way other game company make profits.
I stick with GW2 because I don’t want to pay subscription and I get fed up with other mmorpg trying to milk their players.
I don’t know what defines a successful business. But I suppose as long as they don’t go bankrupt and have a positive profit, they are doing ok.
Maybe because Anet make more money if they keep pumping out black lion weapons?
Maybe after the expansion is over, Anet have many artists that have more free time to create black lion weapon skins?
Maybe if Anet make more money, they can pay salaries, keep people from management happy, keep NCSoft happy, and keep stock holder happy so they bother to keep players happy?
If you stop seeing in your own perspective you can understand why things are the way things they are.
Maybe people actually understand, but they only care about themselves, and never give a kitten about other people.
its not our job to worry if anet employees can feed their families or not, the level of anti consumerism you are displaying is uncomfortable……and do you not think that the over saturation of the market in lion skins is actually adversely affecting their profits?
Most likely Anet make more money from spaming us with black lion weapon.
And the only reason we kept getting update and expansion is Anet is actually making money.
MMORPG that isn’t doing well financially get less update or even shutdown.
Hows more than 100 million dollars a year. I’d say thats enough to do all that. http://i.imgur.com/Tu3G4R2.png
I’m not sure what you want to say. You think Anet is doing a great job with their cash shop? Or you think they are making enough, they shouldn’t try to make more.
GW2 is one of the more successful mmorpg out there. Obviously it is profitable. Not only that, it showed people Anet is doing a great job with their cash shop.
So what ever suggestion people try to throw at Anet. Dont’ worry about it. Unless your suggestion is suggesting to them stop making money.
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Maybe if Anet make more money, they can pay salaries, keep people from management happy, keep NCSoft happy, and keep stock holder happy so they bother to keep players happy?
Yeah, from their perspective they need to pay the bills. So focus on giving us a good game to play first and then mix in some extras, instead of churning out loads of cash extras and putting out pitiful amount of game to play.
Why is it so much to ask for some integrity? You don’t get it. There are people lined up waiting to throw money at games like this and many of them do. But they are kittening people, not cash machines.
You are describing an ideology.
If I were to tell you if your kids work hard at school, he’ll get all A’s and will graduate from Harvard law school. The reality is most likely it is too difficult for an average kids to go to Harvard or even get all A’s.
Guild wars franchise begins with an idea that all the players only need to pay a little and will get great amount of entertainment. Now you are telling me a company that try to enforce that idea is “evil”.
The reality is I play Nexon games and there are even less people complaining about them being evil. I play subscription games and no one even complain about 10-15$ per month on the forum.
The funny thing is there seemed to be posts complaining about Anet milking the players everyday.
You know how everyone says the rewards in GW2 is “terrible”?
My opinion is, it is terrible. So don’t bother grinding for it.
Just do the thing once or twice, enjoy the content and move on.
this is a casual game. I told my sister to try it and she find it too hard and complain to me saying she thought this will be like hello kitty island.
Since I told her this game is much easier than other virtual world game except easier.
The HoT areas are end-game. Even if it’s your first char you should’ve leveled him to 80 by hand. You can’t throw somebody into end-game content who didn’t play the game in the first place. That has nothing to do with casual.
I finished VB 2 weeks ago and AB today.
Dying is normal. Let it be 5 or 50 times until you understand how the enemies work. If you die over and over again and just keep complaining instead of learning, well, then you’re the problem, not the game.
oh no, she told me queensdale is too hard for her. I guess she dont’ have the hand and eye coordination to play GW2.
Apparently she like playing hello kitty island and candy crush though.
Also everything is relative. You may thought it is easy because you died a few time. Some people get frustrated if they died even once.
this is a casual game. I told my sister to try it and she find it too hard and complain to me saying she thought this will be like hello kitty island.
Since I told her this game is much easier than other virtual world game except easier.
Maybe because Anet make more money if they keep pumping out black lion weapons?
Maybe after the expansion is over, Anet have many artists that have more free time to create black lion weapon skins?
Maybe if Anet make more money, they can pay salaries, keep people from management happy, keep NCSoft happy, and keep stock holder happy so they bother to keep players happy?
If you stop seeing in your own perspective you can understand why things are the way things they are.
Maybe people actually understand, but they only care about themselves, and never give a kitten about other people.
its not our job to worry if anet employees can feed their families or not, the level of anti consumerism you are displaying is uncomfortable……and do you not think that the over saturation of the market in lion skins is actually adversely affecting their profits?
Most likely Anet make more money from spaming us with black lion weapon.
And the only reason we kept getting update and expansion is Anet is actually making money.
MMORPG that isn’t doing well financially get less update or even shutdown.
Maybe because Anet make more money if they keep pumping out black lion weapons?
Maybe after the expansion is over, Anet have many artists that have more free time to create black lion weapon skins?
Maybe if Anet make more money, they can pay salaries, keep people from management happy, keep NCSoft happy, and keep stock holder happy so they bother to keep players happy?
If you stop seeing in your own perspective you can understand why things are the way things they are.
Maybe people actually understand, but they only care about themselves, and never give a kitten about other people.
This is a very weird comparison. GW2 has launched one expansion in 3 years, for $50 and half the content is currently disabled, not working, or so bug ridden that you can’t actually progress.
SWTOR on the other hand has launched 4 expansions, all of them free for subscribers and only $15-$20 for non subscribers. They don’t contain nearly as many bugs, all the features actually work, and there is an actual cohesive story.
It’s like comparing a rotten apple to a feast of fresh fruit
You don’t need to look any further than dulfy for the truth. She has published almost twice as many guides, dev communications and class updates for SWTOR as she has for GW2…
I really hate SWTOR payment method. I already hate premium game. I especially hate it in SWTOR because they have even more restriction than most premium game.
In GW2 I can actually really pay the box price and not be treated as a second rated citizen. So essentially for me and many people SWTOR is a subscription game that you have to pay 10-15$ a month. And if I really want to play a wow clone which I need to pay 10-15$, which is not even better than wow. I rather just play wow.
We paid a fair price for HoT.
As for very little content, New wvw map, new pvp game mode. new tournaments in pvp. 4 new pve maps and relevant content, guild halls, raids, new fractal design, new armor, new weapons, new legendaries, new events, new achievements. And not to mention the continuation of the living story when they get around to that, which was ALOT of content prior to HoT despite how you may feel personally about it. I’d say the price of HoT was fair.
I don’t have the energy to argue against this level of brainwashing. All I can say is I’m glad you’re happy and I congratulate ANet on job job well done.
I’m overall really happy about the expansion myself. At least they give us an expansion, a year ago people aren’t even sure there will be an expansion.
I always think most of the players complaining are usually “expecting” too much. That’s why when new games come out people get all hype up, and a few month later the forums are fill with complaint.
I usually complain before the game come out, and usually I have fun when the game is actually out.
On the topic of flipping. If you are lazy, you can try long term investment.
A story I can share is a person said he bought 200 dwayna’s recipe for 1 gold each, I believe it is 200 gold a while ago. So he made 40,000 gold just from spending 200 gold.
What I’m saying if you are too lazy to flip. Try finding something that might worth something one day. I personally are too lazy to flip, but made quite some money just being lazy. Buy some event item or some low cost item which is near vendor value. It might be worth something someday.
Anet is probably too sick of people complaining about dungeon (monster skipping, stacking) etc… they tell people to do fractal instead.
I’m not talking about the treadmill, nor am I advocating for any kind of treadmill. Please re-read my post. I’m talking about sensible gear acquisition, as in gearing up by playing the content in the game.
But yeah, I’m right there with you on the raiding backfire thing, too. Making “endgame content” that is only accessible to 5% of the player population is pretty silly. IMO, and all that.
You might be one of those guys under 100 hour of play time. I think most people playing for 1 or 2 year have already gotten a set of ascended gear by just playing the game. (unless they have a infatuation on skins or legendary)
This is probably the dumbest thing I ever heard, maybe you tried flipping in the past but didn’t make it work because you simply don’t know how to do it but do not turn people off. The only thing you have to do is to read about it online and find what people are actually buying. Pretty simple imo + you can start with only a gold and make it work.
In order to flip, you need to have gold. People struggling with end meat don’t have money to start with and have the habbit of spending what they have.
Beside flipping is not for everyone. Everyone have a different out look on life and money. For example a huge of NBA players go broke after a few year after they retire. I have no idea how it happens, but it does.
You can start flipping with one gold…
What I’m saying is you are telling people to spend their time staying in town, looking at spreadsheet, learning the market when they can spend their time “out side of town”. Maybe that’s what they rather do.
What I’m saying is not everyone want to spend their time doing flipping(which they might not enjoy).
Many people barely have time to play after work. I doubt they want to stay in town playing with the TP. Even if TP don’t take long for some, it still take “effort” to learn.
I’m not entirely sure, but if you do HoT personal story, you might get a few exotic gear which you can pick stats. So you can get some free exotic gear.
Even though, GW2 don’t spam you with gear drop like WoW every few hours… You don’t need to get new tier of gear in GW2 anyway.
So it is more a matter of perspective, which you like better. That being said I don’t enjoy horizontal progression much. Since there are so many gear stats and combination…. Eventhough most are useless, is really grindy if you want to be flexible.
Most of it is already soloable. Even cof path 1 is soloable if you have 5 account(and I actually tried it).
And yet it lost to ESO for best MMO. How unfortunate :/
That being said HoT really is lacking content and a lot of stuff like the story or the fact that we got very few new skins ingame make it seem rushed. Still liking the game but as far as expansions are concerned Heavensward should have won by a country mile.Nope, Heaven sword release(3.0) has no where near as much content as HoT, It has 3 maps(including a city), a few skills for each class no where near specs of hot of course and end game is still the same token grind.
It did however come with 3 new jobs/classes and a new race. Features, at this point, 10 new dungeons and 3 raids. Seems like more content than HoT to me.
That’s because it does have more actual content and more features. Plus their quaterly patches are about the size of a whole living world season in GW2. Also it’s called Heavensward, not Heaven’s Sword.
edit: forgot to mention the festivals. instead of only 2 major ones that are usually just copy/paste XIV actually has a ton of unique festivals with new rewards each year and pretty well put together questlines.
I’m not doubting that ANet loves their game but something seems to be amiss with their management considering the difference in new content between those two games.
You mean how GW2 is a B2P game funded by box sales and potential (but not guaranteed) gem store sales, meanwhile FFXIV is funded by a monthly required subscription on top of it’s boxed sales and expansion boxed sales? That kind of makes all the difference in content output and quality.
That makes sense but I wonder, if one model clearly is more profitable than the other, why not adopt it? At the end of the day ANet is just another company (or subsidiary for that matter) with the goal to make money.
It also makes it look like GW2 is the cheap but inferior alternative for people with not enough money to afford a subscription based MMO.
Not saying that’s how it actually is but it certainly looks that way.
I think it is case by case. There are much more to consider such as brand loyalty, game studio location, and target market.
Even the same game can be released as free to play in one location and buy to play in another location.
Also the square enix brand is so big in every location with it’s final fantasy series. While Anet probably only have a loyal US market from GW1.
I think partially there will be less people caring about AP if it is not displayed. It’s kind of vanity thing. And that vanity is used as a reward.
This is probably the dumbest thing I ever heard, maybe you tried flipping in the past but didn’t make it work because you simply don’t know how to do it but do not turn people off. The only thing you have to do is to read about it online and find what people are actually buying. Pretty simple imo + you can start with only a gold and make it work.
In order to flip, you need to have gold. People struggling with end meat don’t have money to start with and have the habbit of spending what they have.
Beside flipping is not for everyone. Everyone have a different out look on life and money. For example a huge of NBA players go broke after a few year after they retire. I have no idea how it happens, but it does.
Community and drama is what make WvW fun.
You can try turning off chat. But you’ll miss out on the drama.
The complaint is a bit long.
But the first point about “mastery is kind of useless”…
Maybe it’s useless so people won’t complain about grind the mastery. Yet people keep complaining about it.
I can probably do it in green gear first time if I have 9 players from King carrying me.
I don’t think Anet is ever that generous on giving out rewards. So I don’t find it likely.
It probably have more to do with financial reason than technical reason. If you really want to get more rewards get 4 more accounts. Anet might be happier since you need to spend money to buy 4 more copy.
I’m not sure but you can just read the TOS. I think it already said you can’t do it.
From memory, I think they even said something like anything which provide analysis to provide unfair advantage is against the TOS. So even if the damage meter don’t read memory, but get the information from directly parsing your damage log is probably against the TOS.
I didn’t read the TOS in detail but if you are unsure basically read the TOS.
If you are a small time flipper just undercut more, and don’t be greedy and sell too much.
For example if you can craft something that cost 70 silver and sell for 1 gold. Try selling for 90 silver. And don’t be greedy and craft too much.
If you are a major tp player. You need to decide that on your own. No one can tell you. The more you sell and closer to the lowest value the more risk there is. It’s part of the game.
The major players probably just sell in bulk and don’t undercut much. And they are patient. Since they are so rich anyway. They don’t worry about their money being hold up on the TP. If you are small player though you probably want to undercut more since you need to get back the money to reinvest.
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I haven’t login for quite a while. So I don’t know the market now.
But if you just do 1 teq a day for 50 days. Do dailys for 90 days. Spend 20-40 hours doing map completion. You can make 1 legendary.
Assume the profit for legendary is 800? You can make 800 gold in less than 30 hours.
So on average you just need to spend 15minutes * 50 = roughly 13 hours doing teq.
1 gift of exploration = half map completion = 10-20 hours.
and do your daily every day.
The catch is most of the time you need to afk for teq. And in order to make legendary. You need to already have money. And for some doing map completion is not fun.
Also if you have multiple accounts. For example a note book and computer. You can do teq and get karma on multiple account. And farm much faster. That being said if you have multiple account. You can just farm monster and make money faster too. Basically multiple account = farming money faster.
I think someone mentioned you make good money from crafting dailys so do that too.
I used to make 10 gold per hour just mining rich iron and platinum ore. By the look at market right now if you have a sprocket pick. You can make at least 15 gold per hour. The catch is you can only farm rich ore once per day. So you need many account if you want to harvest for a long time.
Also, TP flipping is probably the best way to make money. I don’t flip much, unless it is long term investment. So I dont’ know much about it besides buy holiday events item and sell it after the events is over.
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I have a feeling our definition of grinding and just playing the game casually differs greatly.
I don’t really know what you been doing with your 1000 hour playing time.
If you just spend 1 hour a day to do fractal you could have a stash full of ascended box by now. I was trying to collected fractal weapon before got a bunch of useless fractal box. Thankfully Anet add the ability to change stats.
The Chak and Auric weapon skins I earned by beating story episodes and achievements were a lot more satisfying to earn than the stuff I ran dungeons ad nauseam for gold to buy off the TP. I’m sure a lot of other people feel the same way.
Gold is inherently the reward for a bunch of the content. And it doesn’t matter what rewards Anet add to the chore game, as long as there are interesting stuff for sell on the TP. People will keep complaining.
The gem store is a primary way to keep this game running. It is kind of a necessary evil. MMORPG market is kind of small to make a buy to play work which can compete with other subscription or premium game.
I think people are over sensitive. Most of the time people just want smooth runs.
But one thing about elitist is if you are so elite, please be elite enough to find other elite players to play with regularly instead of bothering other more casual players.
I feel you.
WoW might be a sub based game, but atleast you get geared by playing the game.
In GW2 you get geared by buying gems with real money and converting them to gold.
In 1000hours of playtime I haven´t had a single worthwhile drop.
If you really mean you cant get gold very easy without a big value item drop or buy gems, then you dont know how to play the game right. Or you are like most on the forums and just cry for no reason
How do I get an easy 1000g to get a full ascended set by just playing the game and not grinding?
It is really hard not to make 1 gold per hour in your 1000 hour of play time.
I don’t think getting 1000 gold is the problem. The problem is beside ascended armor, you probably also want pretty skin, extra character slot, bank slot, convenient stuff, and perks.
If you have 1000 hour of play time, you most likely repeated doing something over and over again.
I said it before, most of my money is made from selling legendary. In fact I probably sold like 30 legendary. That is like 25k gold. Even though that is still grinding, but I can play all the content in the game beside just doing “maize balm farm”, “sw farm” etc.
My guess is people don’t do it because they don’t enjoy all the content in the game. For example map completion. Because to make a legendary, you need to do all the content. That being said, I’m sure crafting legendary to sell is much more fun than doing sw.
I felt the game is actually quite rewarding.
The problem is there is a gem store. And people are upset other people can just buy the item with real cash.
And people are inherently greedy and want everything. For example the OP are complaining about he can’t get all the blacklion weapon. I don’t even understand why he think that way. I personally have around 10 blacklion weapon. I only get the one I want.
My ping is at 300. I don’t really know if it really matters since I never play at low ping before, so I can’t compare.
A few people I know say they are fine though. So if your reflect is really really good you might be able to over come.
People are really self enforced those grind.
For example if you never enjoy HoT zones, why are you even grinding those mastery.
You can even take the example to WoW. Why are people even grinding raid gear if they don’t like raid. Just wait for a year for the expansion and you can get better gear by doing a simple quest.
The thing about GW2 is mostly once you have the ascended gear you don’t need to do it again. I quit this game a bunch of time, and every time I get back I’m already good to go.
I remember people making fun of raiders and say “people only raid for shiny gear, they just want to look cool in town”.
I never believe it is true until I start playing this game. I always thought people want better gear to do harder raid.
Just don’t spend any money.
You don’t need much to play this game. Just a couple of ascended gear and you should be good.
I have multiple accounts. I have as much fun playing on an account which have nothing compare to another account which have everything.
You don’t need much to have fun.
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The OP should totally play it so he’ll know what grinding with little content is.
I can’t really say bad thing about it, because grindy game actually do pretty well in Korea. Maybe that’s why people call those mmorpg Korean grinder.
I dont’ know how many times you kill per day.
But I think ascended chest mostly drop from the golden chest. So there is no point killing it multiple times a day unless you want karma.
I think it have a chance on dropping from the large chest if you play an alt. But the chance is pretty low anyway.
I’m not bothered because I don’t care about cosmetic that much.
I do find it insulting people are complaining about the 50$ expansion.
Maybe GW2 was advertised as a casual game for cheap players(buy to play), so it lured too many casual and cheap players who complain about everything.
I think you’re missing the point entirely.
He really like armor piece. And think for 50$ there should be more armor piece?
The expansion is only released a while ago. Dont’ worry, there will be more outfit in the gem store.
I’m just saying try to play subsciprtion games. Look at their forum and no one complain about pricing and they need to pay monthly fee. I dont’ know why people play GW2 complain about price so much.
A huge reason I play GW2 is there is no subscription. And the gem store is not as pushy as some other mmorpg I played. People should already felt luxury they dont’ need to pay as much as other mmorpg, yet they keep complaining it is not enough.
I’m not bothered because I don’t care about cosmetic that much.
I do find it insulting people are complaining about the 50$ expansion.
Maybe GW2 was advertised as a casual game for cheap players(buy to play), so it lured too many casual and cheap players who complain about everything.
Most of the nerf can be summarized by too much grinding.
I’m not sure what you expect the response to be? “Working as intended?”
First of all, many players have too much time. The developer need to keep feeding them rewards to keep them happy. So the casual players complaint other hardcore players have things they don’t have.
Another is this game is sustained by the gem shop. So in order to keep the game running, Anet need to reward people who buy gems. And the cheep people complains people with jobs or rich parents have things they dont’ have.