The matter of the fact is that berserker supporters can preach as much as they want but they are unable to actually SHOW that berserker works. I can sprinkle pink frosted words on a kitten elite spec but that doesn’t make it any better.
What makes you so special that people making berserker builds would share the builds they worked on to make? If you cannot make one yourself, dont get mad when people who can don’t want to share their builds with you.
Like what kind of logic is that.
99% of the times the “secret build” they are working are non sense made by inexperience warriors thinking they are good or w/e in extremely low MMR with cheap functions.
majority of the builds are already tested and played by experienced players, it’s not hard to make builds, it’s pretty easy to select whats good or not good for pvp, if you actually have a decent amount of pvp exp. if it works you’d already seen it in tournaments.
i definitely rerolled, something i’ve failed for the past 3 years
if it’s only pvp then it’s way easy to reroll and play something else..pve needs some effort put to it.
not sure why you guys complaints..sure berserker spec is underpowered, but a regular gs/axe shield warrior can stomp dragon hunter and reapers without using rampage.
endure pain alone can counter dragon hunter pretty hard.
and if you use rampage then it should be ez stomp for you.. all these complaints make me wonder if you guys even play warrior at all.
Clearly, you don’t play warrior at all.
let me sort out your fail logic
Endure pain counter DH= (Berserker can have Endure pain )= Berserker Counter DH
and then you say Berserker is UP..idk what your post is about tbh..
you are kittened..
just use endure pain and tank the traps and then press rampage ..problem solved you just beat DH
what so hard about that
berserker spec being underpowered is a whole another story, but telling people that warriors cant beat the new spec is just plain stupid.
update: if you want to disrespect the dh, you can try go berserker power build with that crit trait and use berserk then go rampage.
This has little to do with DH 1v1 but more about warriors esp berserker trait needing a buff so it synergizes with the remaining traits, and weapon skills.
As of now, berserker isn’t rewarding to the player for as much effort it takes to make it function.
You cant base your argument on hotjoin or a couple low tier unranked matches vs the experience of veteran warriors (not me I’m average) on this thread
i don’t play hotjoin.. I play unranked, and its definitely not low mmr. Either way, even if its low mmr..it doesn’t take much to play reaper or dragon hunter.
its your problem if you don’t know when is the right time to pop endure pain, and i agree that berserker spec needed some buff, but that doesn’t mean warrior as a whole class is weak.
for warrior timing is very crucial, and if you suc at it then don’t play warrior.
that’s definitely low MMR…medium at max for being generous
just admit it that you are bad..heres another screenie of a warrior going against 2 reaper, 1 dh and 1 chronomancer (premade) yet still win the match
all of these guys are rank 80 so stop with the whole bullkitten " you go against nub crap"
l2p
what…what makes a rank 80 automatically a top MMR..
now rank 80 is so easy…if there were unlimited ranks, i would already be like 500 rank…
any way, im up for duels anytime since you called it
not sure why you guys complaints..sure berserker spec is underpowered, but a regular gs/axe shield warrior can stomp dragon hunter and reapers without using rampage.
endure pain alone can counter dragon hunter pretty hard.
and if you use rampage then it should be ez stomp for you.. all these complaints make me wonder if you guys even play warrior at all.
Clearly, you don’t play warrior at all.
let me sort out your fail logic
Endure pain counter DH= (Berserker can have Endure pain )= Berserker Counter DH
and then you say Berserker is UP..idk what your post is about tbh..
you are kittened..
just use endure pain and tank the traps and then press rampage ..problem solved you just beat DH
what so hard about that
berserker spec being underpowered is a whole another story, but telling people that warriors cant beat the new spec is just plain stupid.
update: if you want to disrespect the dh, you can try go berserker power build with that crit trait and use berserk then go rampage.
This has little to do with DH 1v1 but more about warriors esp berserker trait needing a buff so it synergizes with the remaining traits, and weapon skills.
As of now, berserker isn’t rewarding to the player for as much effort it takes to make it function.
You cant base your argument on hotjoin or a couple low tier unranked matches vs the experience of veteran warriors (not me I’m average) on this thread
i don’t play hotjoin.. I play unranked, and its definitely not low mmr. Either way, even if its low mmr..it doesn’t take much to play reaper or dragon hunter.
its your problem if you don’t know when is the right time to pop endure pain, and i agree that berserker spec needed some buff, but that doesn’t mean warrior as a whole class is weak.
for warrior timing is very crucial, and if you suc at it then don’t play warrior.
that’s definitely low MMR…medium at max for being generous
Out of curiosity, how can you tell?
the player base in this game is so small, if you’ve been on high MMR long enough you would know by simply looking at the players..
and saying people who are rank 80 = good, he really knows nothing better lol…
warrior is not relaxed because it has bad range option other then single target
and it takes more hit compare to other classes and has less defensive passive traits
not sure why you guys complaints..sure berserker spec is underpowered, but a regular gs/axe shield warrior can stomp dragon hunter and reapers without using rampage.
endure pain alone can counter dragon hunter pretty hard.
and if you use rampage then it should be ez stomp for you.. all these complaints make me wonder if you guys even play warrior at all.
Clearly, you don’t play warrior at all.
let me sort out your fail logic
Endure pain counter DH= (Berserker can have Endure pain )= Berserker Counter DH
and then you say Berserker is UP..idk what your post is about tbh..
you are kittened..
just use endure pain and tank the traps and then press rampage ..problem solved you just beat DH
what so hard about that
berserker spec being underpowered is a whole another story, but telling people that warriors cant beat the new spec is just plain stupid.
update: if you want to disrespect the dh, you can try go berserker power build with that crit trait and use berserk then go rampage.
This has little to do with DH 1v1 but more about warriors esp berserker trait needing a buff so it synergizes with the remaining traits, and weapon skills.
As of now, berserker isn’t rewarding to the player for as much effort it takes to make it function.
You cant base your argument on hotjoin or a couple low tier unranked matches vs the experience of veteran warriors (not me I’m average) on this thread
i don’t play hotjoin.. I play unranked, and its definitely not low mmr. Either way, even if its low mmr..it doesn’t take much to play reaper or dragon hunter.
its your problem if you don’t know when is the right time to pop endure pain, and i agree that berserker spec needed some buff, but that doesn’t mean warrior as a whole class is weak.
for warrior timing is very crucial, and if you suc at it then don’t play warrior.
that’s definitely low MMR…medium at max for being generous
not sure why you guys complaints..sure berserker spec is underpowered, but a regular gs/axe shield warrior can stomp dragon hunter and reapers without using rampage.
endure pain alone can counter dragon hunter pretty hard.
and if you use rampage then it should be ez stomp for you.. all these complaints make me wonder if you guys even play warrior at all.
Clearly, you don’t play warrior at all.
let me sort out your fail logic
Endure pain counter DH= (Berserker can have Endure pain )= Berserker Counter DH
and then you say Berserker is UP..idk what your post is about tbh..
D/P thief top tier as always since the beginning of the time in pvp..
PvE, just go look at the DPS chart..
Thief is a joke in PvP. It’s currently at the tail end of a loooooooong slide to rock bottom. Anyone saying otherwise is willfully ignorant, or purposefully spreading misinformation.
If you like being unable to fight any other class 1 on 1 while also being a liability in any team fight where you’re not outnumbering your opponents, and instead prefer to teleport around looking for empty spots to sit on for 4-14s at a time, roll thief. If you want to have fun, choose any other class (except warrior, which is also currently struggling)
yup, thief sucks so much that no top teams in pvp scene take it.
State of Warrior is bad because ANET let people touch it who have no idea what they are doing with warriors.
This. And warrior players crying over how supposedly bad warrior is? Pathetic. Try thief. They’re FAR worse off than warrior. A lobotomized pigeon could crap randomly over the keyboard and still be good at warrior. Especially compared to thief.
EDIT: I take that back; warrior actually does require skill now. JUST like everybody else has for a long time!
“-le gasp- You mean I can’t faceroll the keyboard anymore?! QQ ermagerd, we’z unapowuhed, need buffs, switch class, durr durr!”
I know right? Thieves are annoying, but at least they take skill! Because of their naturally low HP/def they CANNOT make mistakes! They HAVE to get up close. They have to know when to stealth. I played thief back at release, my first character, and I quit because I just wasn’t good at it.
What it is, is that these cry baby warriors have played face roll easy mode for so long, that now that they actually have to think, it feels like warrior is in a bad spot. It’s really not. They just want to be able to win with little to no effort. Seriously, they could give warrior the ability to deal 300k, mobile 100 blades damage from stealth without revealed, with full immunity to damage and control effects, and they’d still find something to whine about.
I play every single class in this game, i can say that thief is no where more difficult to play then warrior, in fact, warrior right now is the highest risk lowest reward class compare to the rest.
just go marauder and herald, charge up all your facets before entering battle with fury and 10+ might and you can get some really nasty aoe hit with 2 3
Are you guys high? Increase energy cost won’t do any better then 5 seconds CD, it will only hinder your combat ability
You don’t want your gap closer to be gated behind heavy energy cost since all your offensive and defensive skills also use it.
You won’t spam your gap closer anyway, just when you want to abuse/exploit it for fast traval or make fun of a running thief.
i would rather have the energy cost decrease in compensate for the CD, so i can have more energy whenever i gap close to either damage or if needed run away
Sounds like l2 energy management, nothing else really.
nah, it sounds like a l2 CD management and clearly l2p, if you need to rely on spaming gap closer. ( you want to post illogical dumb stuff like that? yea, you get the same thing back)
there’s no energy management bs, if you increase PT energy to 30, whenever you use it, you naturally has 10 energy less, the more you use it the less energy you will have compare to before, which means you will take longer to use other skills, energy management won’t magically make appear all the energy lost…you are bond to have less energy for other skills in the same time frame, which eventually will hinder your combat ability
and why in the world do you want to spam your gap closer anyway…that’s just l2p issue unless you are chasing a running thief or exploiting for map travel
Are you guys high? Increase energy cost won’t do any better then 5 seconds CD, it will only hinder your combat ability
You don’t want your gap closer to be gated behind heavy energy cost since all your offensive and defensive skills also use it.
You won’t spam your gap closer anyway, just when you want to abuse/exploit it for fast traval or make fun of a running thief.
i would rather have the energy cost decrease in compensate for the CD, so i can have more energy whenever i gap close to either damage or if needed run away
what people kind of don’t see is the following, big problem:
in low tier matches against random players it is common to totally ignore a herald, letting him freecast or if he gets focused people don’t care at all about infuse light. so your survivability is fine.
but in a match where people actually think before they act it will be a lot harder getting your heals off and you will see yourself way more using infuse light as a pseudo invul while you spam your heal skills to actually get a bit more than those 2k heals.. or you walk through dragonhunter draps to heal a bit because people don’t attack you. while 1s seems minor it’s totally not, it’s a huge problem because it doesn’t give you enough room to breathe nor to heal up.
There’s a thing called a cast time, most burst skills has it, look for it and use your heal when they do that kitten.
the reason why glint heal is viable and not warrior heal, because glint heal is insta cast so you can time it with enemy burst…it’s not because oh it got 1/4 sec duration more
guess what, smart players don’t burst you when you’re low and in glint.. they will poke you until you activate the heal and then wait. what you are going to do in that situation is, you will use shield 4 and staff 4 to actually get 3k more heaing ontop of the meager 2k. just because you met people that tried to burst you when they clearly shouldn’t have doesn’t mean that i did too.
3 seconds is just not enough time to heal and prepare your next steps.
Guess what, in a 5v5, smart player will do something when enemy is simply poking.
and you shouldn’t even get really low to use your heal anyway. do you know how to use shelter? this is the exactly the same way, you don’t use it for the heal, you use it for any incoming burst as well.
and yea, 3 seconds and 4 seconds is such a huge difference omg..l2position
compare PT with JI, thief signet. now you know that skill is op.
target focused teleportation with 1200 range without CD
the moment they removed the pathing problem, i know it’s bond to get a CD or it will be one of the most op skill..you can literally traval from mid to home in seconds if you have a target in pvp map.
tho i do agree to have an energy decrease for the CD it has now
and please don’t give dumb idea like increase energy cost and remove CD.
please, you don’t want your cap closer to be gated behind high energy cost which is shared with other damaging skill…
you never spam that kitten anyway, unless you just exploiting it with target to traval real fast..or trying to make fun of a running thief..
what people kind of don’t see is the following, big problem:
in low tier matches against random players it is common to totally ignore a herald, letting him freecast or if he gets focused people don’t care at all about infuse light. so your survivability is fine.
but in a match where people actually think before they act it will be a lot harder getting your heals off and you will see yourself way more using infuse light as a pseudo invul while you spam your heal skills to actually get a bit more than those 2k heals.. or you walk through dragonhunter draps to heal a bit because people don’t attack you. while 1s seems minor it’s totally not, it’s a huge problem because it doesn’t give you enough room to breathe nor to heal up.
There’s a thing called a cast time, most burst skills has it, look for it and use your heal when they do that kitten.
the reason why glint heal is viable and not warrior heal, because glint heal is insta cast so you can time it with enemy burst…it’s not because oh it got 1/4 sec duration more
I don’t know about all this “under powered non viable” warrior stuff I keep hearing about. I love where warrior is mostly due to the fact that not a single other team will play one on a competitive level which by default makes me Crysis the best warrior NA. So I just wanted to say thank you anet for making me #1!
Such Ego.. i find some duel warriors to be much better then warriors playing in competitive level.
I also dislike everyone even saying they are #1 why would you even? remember that engie? Wahoo bye friends!! omg where is that guy? can someone hit him!? thanx :-)
Clearly he’s being sarcastic over the situation and being good at duel doesn’t make you better in 5v5
The strongest comp will be whatever the winning team plays. So let’s wait and see what abjured plays going foward.
No the comp that the winning team plays is the strongest comp of the comps played in that particular tourney. There is still potential for there to be better comps out there.
Maybe not so much “informed,” and “infallible,” but more, “during testing (practice), this combination was better than that.”
Do you really think that they managed to thoroughly test everything in the small amount of time since expac?
I’ve been PvP’ing in various games long enough to make the observation that what players/teams think is optimal immediately after expac rarely ends up being optimal in the long run.
it’s pretty easy to select from the poll what’s good for pvp and whats not by reading, then test the selected ones, sure you may not get perfect build.
but you would already get a big picture, then it’s up for time to refine the build, unless there are new top build coming out, which happens rarely.
most of the most op builds after specialization patch came out in a few days, then they are nerfed
Frigid Blitz’s damage is fine and Temporal Rift doesn’t need do to damage, what it does need is to have an effective pull since the current one’s effectiveness feels pretty bad.
So what makes you think that offhand axe is as good as shield or sword in pvp?
Berserker isn’t “overpowered” enough for warrior to give up one trait line.
The utilities are mostly weak, torch is mediocre, berserk is ok, primal burst are underperforming
if all else fail, then you do have a secondary weapon set..
If you really are suggesting we run something OTHER than Shortbow, then you’ve done a better job of tearing your argument apart than anyone else could ever hope to.
saying " you do have a secondary weapon set" = “suggesting run something other than shortbow”
kek. run X. use moa. stunlock. evade. stealth. blind. block.
if you cant land rifle 4 & use cc on stab that’s you playing badly. i have no issues vs warrior on any engineer build i play, provided im playing well. practice landing cc & damage chains.
Honestly, in my build I only had rifle #4 and turret detonation as CC.
Honestly, in my warrior build, i have no endure pain, engi kills me all the time, thanks who ever made engi dev.
why you are not running endure pain at 25% is beyond me. double endure pain for stances, & single for shouts is the norm. defense doesn’t have a better trait in that slot, & builds without defense are rarely successful.
beating engi on warrior is easy. they have ~1 stunbreak & you have a lot of CC, it’s not hard to figure what to do; land CC to secure damage & disable the engineer.
Everyone seems to think that every engineer is now running a condi spec so they should be able to easily kill warriors
kek. run X. use moa. stunlock. evade. stealth. blind. block.
if you cant land rifle 4 & use cc on stab that’s you playing badly. i have no issues vs warrior on any engineer build i play, provided im playing well. practice landing cc & damage chains.
Honestly, in my build I only had rifle #4 and turret detonation as CC.
Honestly, in my warrior build, i have no endure pain, engi kills me all the time, thanks who ever made engi dev.
why you are not running endure pain at 25% is beyond me. double endure pain for stances, & single for shouts is the norm. defense doesn’t have a better trait in that slot, & builds without defense are rarely successful.
beating engi on warrior is easy. they have ~1 stunbreak & you have a lot of CC, it’s not hard to figure what to do; land CC to secure damage & disable the engineer.
